Rangers Banter Archive April 02 2013
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02 Apr 2013 23:18:21
See a poll of 7000 Scottish football fans have voted by a large majority that they want:
1) a top division of more than 12 teams.
2) no more than three divisions.
That seems to suggest that Green's 14-14-14 seems to be what the fans prefer. I have to say that with 42 teams that seems to be common sense.
The 14-14-14 appears to have not even been worthy of discussion, why?
If I was paranoid, could it be that because somebody from Rangers suggested it, it is ignored?
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It's money. The second tier clubs will be earning around x7 of what they do at the moment.
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Probably half the 7000 are gers fans.
Also 14 teams, just 28 games - unless there is a split. So OldFirm vs more diddy teams, not less. more pointless games. less spectacle less money.
deluded fans think this solution.
so you saying just because englishman says 14-14-14 is best we should all agreee?
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TV companies don't want top four in spl playing each other less to play top four in div1.
Leagues of 20, 18, 16, 14 don't work in Scotland hardly any can survive promotion.
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Op it's not worthy of discussion because it's stupid. play each other 4 times = 52 games @ 2. 14 teams playing each other twice is only 26 games. back to op, how would it work?. 52 is too many. can't play each other 3 times because who do you get twice at home and once away. so were stuck with 26 games and a split. is that an 8 and a six or two sevens ?. 2 * 7's would leave a team with no game every week. a 6 and 8 or 8 and 6 would give either the top or bottom split an extra 4 games. green suggested it because his mouth is faster than his brain. like I say it was ignored because it's stupid not because it was a rangers idea, but if you can explain how it would work i'll gladly read it and apologize if i'm wrong. shammy
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Green using jabba to turn media against ex-players, current players, future players. all the time lowering costs towards 30% player salaries, 30% other running costs, 30% bonus for green&co
this is sooo short-term. No real player of quality will return or every join if thier reputation can be tranished just to knock money of a deal signed and agreed.
Green running gers into the ground.
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ALERT: Am a Celtic fan. To many of the above. 14-14-14 is not a stupid idea as it does allow top teams to play each other 4 times and it does away with the stupid uneven number of home and away fixtures that have happened in the past with the current set-up.
Basically:
1) All clubs play each other twice = 26 games
2) Split into 7 & 7 and plays each other twice = 12 games
So you play 38 games with an even number of home and away games. Main downsides are the split is earlier and the in the last 14 weeks of the season 1 team will be rested each week. (Top team week 1 & 8, 2nd week 2 & 9 etc. I suggest).
Basically, I think it isn't a bad idea. To be honest I would do it and if Rangers jump to 2nd tier then who cares. Getting bored.
Can't believe I just sort of agreed with something CG said. Need a lie down!
Shuggy
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4) op here, I believe 6) explains it perfectly. What is the problem with a week off?
We may not have the farce of teams playing eight games in fifteen days.
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4) a 6 and an 8 would give them four extra games, really. Time you got back to your maths lessons when the schools go back. They could play them home and away, making an extra 10 games or 14 games, plus 26. At least we would then have a league where all teams play the same number of games, home and away, instead of the rubbish at present where one team plays 3 away games and one home. How can you have a league where some teams play more away games than home and vice versa. I expect an apology as you stated Shammy.
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@8. I wrote @6. Don't get what you mean. I said 7-7 split. What do you mean? (I'm pretty good at maths normally) I knew agreeing with CG that I must be wrong. Lol
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02 Apr 2013 21:13:15
Rangers’ chief scout has been in talks with the Club for more than a week and both Rangers and Neil have agreed to part company.
However, contrary to one malicious newspaper report Neil is not departing because of any 'scandal. ' This Club has neither suggested nor said anything of the kind.
In fact, Rangers are happy to point out that Neil has agreed to act as a consultant for the Club and he said: “I am happy with the decision made and have no desire to add to the speculation and sensationalism which has surfaced in the media. ”
Rangers are embarking on what will be a far-reaching restructuring programme at various levels of the Club and will not be deflected from the task despite attacks from the newspaper in question.
Rangers and Rangers fans will stand together. And together we will return to the top.
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And who's quotes are these? Or are they just the posters thoughts? If this is an official release from Rangers it's nonsense. You do not suspend an employee, pending an investigation, to "mutually agree" to him leaving. Time Mr Green came clean on so much stuff.
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"It's a really sensitive matter. " (McCoist).
"He is suspended while under investigation. " (Rangers)
"Neil and Rangers have agreed to part company. Neil is not departing because of any scandal. " (Rangers)
Eh? Clear as mud that one.
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Given the guy would never ever walk away from such a cushy number. he was clearly released.
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02 Apr 2013 23:13:25
If this is true, he's been paid off
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Jim Traynot really should get his act in order. He's working for Rangers now not the second rate rag that used to employ him.
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@5. Traynor is greens go to guy, he will spit out what he is told to. This sounds like rubbish, better to come clean and end the speculation. This is starting to look like the Murray years all over again.
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02 Apr 2013 21:09:25
Anybody else think Stuart Bannigan of Partick Thistle and Marc McNulty of Livingston would be worth a look? I know a lot of fans are still under the illusion that we can attract big names to the club, the truth is we can't and looking for good young Scottish talent from other SFL clubs would be te way forward! Jay Fulton and Kieran Duffie of Falkirk are also exciting young players as well!
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02 Apr 2013 19:46:47
Has Murray chief scout quit? Or is he still under investigation? Cheers.
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And what about Sandaza I thought that investigation was only going to take a week!
Seriously how much investigating has to be done with that one?
These cases dragging on don't help the cause of the club.
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Sacked, just been released. Mutually.
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N1 allly said in todays evening times we've already lost two players naming kyle and sandassa
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02 Apr 2013 19:17:28
Anyone want to see big Archie Knox back?
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This is getting ridiculous. Why the obsession with getting people who were there before?
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Another of Walters proteges? your having a laugh!!
The manager in my local shop says he drove past Ibrox once, and to be honest if he could organise a defence like he can fruit and veg I would get him now, other than the time when he played a cashier at security guard his selections seem spot on too.
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02 Apr 2013 19:15:08
The SPL are apparently going after Rangers for £500k for court costs. It is unclear if oldco or newco. Tell them once and for all to go take a run and jump. There is no end to the SPL's desire to put the boot in.
They brought the case, they appointed the "independent"tribunal, let them pay for it. The same organisation that withheld prize money and tv monies.
No doubt this will be Lawells (sorry, SPL) solicitors, who brought the case in the first place.
"Sporting integrity", my arse.
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If you heard the news.
no advantage. but guilty.
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The spl are close to going bankrupt they couldn't run a childs party corrupt to the core
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Remember licence to play in league was partly dependant on paying all footballing debts, so if refuse to pay will we lose our licence
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Check your cupboard Lawwell might be in there. No prize money is withheld it is oldco cash and will go into the creditors pot.
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Oldco or newco the heavily biased and ever changing rules are a cross we have to bear, remember the song "no one likes us, we don't care" well its time to say fishooks and move on, anyway 500k is only a years wage for a dodgy overseas has been, and McCoist is looking for 10 of them!
I wish he did better at Sunderland.
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4) rubbish, it is going nowhere near the creditors and it should be. In fact there are serious questions to be asked when they blackmailed us into paying football debts as opposed to other creditors. No creditor should be more important than another, that's the law.
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You wish he did better at Sunderland? Are you mental? McCoist may not be a good manager but he is a legendary goal scorer. Get a grip you clown!
Iain
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@6. Get your facts straight. No one was blackmailed, Green agreed to these conditions as no licence was due to Rangers. The money will go to the creditors when BDO formally conclude the liquidation, that's how it works. In effect Green used this money to buy a licence the club should not have had. What would you prefer, three years out of the game or lose some money?
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Ide imagine had we been found guilty of cheating we would av been liabel but no cheating not liabel
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02 Apr 2013 23:25:20
Time for someone to leak this 5 way agreement and then we'll know a lot more of the truth as what what Rangers were forced to sign up to.
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N10 seems one of agreements is that any money rangers earn must be handed over to the cabel of parkhead and spl and sfa lol cheers
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02 Apr 2013 19:01:50
reported Harper Mcleod the lawyer for the SPL is pursuing Rangers for £500,000 legal costs for a case that they did not win, administrative error was it called?
Now correct me if I'm wrong was this case not against the so called "oldco" and not the "newco" I keep hearing being referred to.
So come on who are we or is this a case of yet again "if the cap fits". PB
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The spl won on all charges.
On the issue of title stripping, Nimmo-smith said no sporting advantage but the spl won on all legal regulation charges.
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The action was against the holder of the spl titles. The football club. Not a company.
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Eh, wasn't there a £250k fine, so not found innocent. agree that was against oldco, so unless SPL now including that fine and costs as football debt?
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Newco agreed to pay all oldco football debts in return for licence
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@2 noooo it was against the company did you not read the report
trueblue
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Nimmo-smiths £250k is a fine for guilt.
The £500k is Nimmo-Smiths teams legal bill, which legally goes to the loser (RFC). The holder of the spl titles.
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Surely when cg agreed to pay debt it would only be debt from when he took over they can't be held responsible
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N4 this half million is not a football debt difrent thing altogether
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@8 So what kind of debt is it?
Tam
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N9 25000 fine was for addmin error some secretery typo mistake made in office not on a football pitch
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02 Apr 2013 15:03:05
I keep checking tv and tv websites to see if McCoist has done the right thing, instead I see his grinning face obviously happy to win a meaningless trophy playing terrible football, and he's talking about bringing in 10 players most of which will be freebies!!!
Gome on Bears its time to put an end to this madness, we are Rangers let's start behaving like Gers and demand what is right for our club.
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It might be freebies but wages will be sky high, ally has already proved he's useless in the transfer market, it worries me that Fran sandaza was his top transfer target when we were still in the SPL.
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Transfer embargo is still in place, only freebies allowed.
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Dont bank on it mate -- he's now just trying to play to the fans --- bout time we demanded him to go - I can't bear another season of that crap mccoist punt and hope footie --
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We can only sign out of contract players, they'll all be freebies
Damn Coisty, the embargo's all his fault
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How is it a meaningless trophy? if we didn't win it we would be staying in sfl 3. why can't you all get of coistys back he was asked to do job and win div 3 and job done
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What will happen is that Allly will keep blundering on next season and we should be out of 2 cups before we can sign anyone in september. still not made my mind up whether I will go again next season. can't stand much more of this. was hoping Ally would know that its not working for him and step aside. but I doubt it.
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@6 support your team we nearly never had one
trueblue
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OP uninformed person, @6 if you don't want to come back next year don't come back, what else can we do but win the league we are in? Did you really think we could win the Scottish cup or league cup this year? Get a grip of yourself and we will see you again once the glory days come around again.
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@5, not technically true. You could have finished as low as 4th and gained promotion via the play-offs. Please try to understand the rules of the league you play in.
Al
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I have to assume that the people who disagreed with my post 9 dispute that the Ibrox side could win a play-off over two legs.
Al
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02 Apr 2013 14:48:43
we all know the scouting at rangers is pants, and has badly needed an overhaul for many years. here's hoping they bring in some good scouts, and start getting our moneys worth. rather to continue wasting it on duds. have we learnt nothing all those millions wasted paying on foreign duds to get them out before there contracts ended. I hope the summer is used to really tighten everything up at rangers. including merchandising, p. r. scouting etc.
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You were a bit unlucky to lose borh Ness and McCabe at the begining of the season
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They need to find us a manager first, McCoist could knock the talent out of Messi in a week!
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02 Apr 2013 12:22:20
Just a thot here, but noticed warnock has left leeds, remember he is friendly with cg,, they're both from sheffield,, maybe not manager, but dir, o football role?, its only a thot chaps tommyblue
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Dont remember seeing they were friends.
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When he was at Sheffield United I always had a degree of sympathy for him, they did get some awful referring decisions go against them and it did seem near weekly.
But I lost any respect I had for him when he signed Diouf for Leeds, this is nothing to do with the fact that it is Diouf, nor his Rangers time or the incident at Parkhead while with Liverpool, just purely to do with the fact that you can't call someone a sewer rat and then sign him when at another club. Show some principles, sewer rat 2011, sign him 2012, wtf? You can't take anyone with such contradictory actions serious at all. Never liked the guy since then, just a total blowhard.
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He does have a name that is a brilliant anagram - Colin W@nker.
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It a bit like "I don't do walking away" has become "I don't care what people say I will carry on the same" as you say principles.
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03 Apr 2013 11:02:01
Gaz I agree it was strange to sign diouf after that, but I uppose he felt he could do a job, and it was a sucessful move, glad we can talk fotball, tommyblue, and for the last time, Ally was talking of the fans when he made that speech, not players, management etc, FANS, tommyblue
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02 Apr 2013 12:30:11
The ASA have confirmed they are investigating Rangers over claims made in press and radio advertising. The claim centres around the new/old club standing. They have written to Rangers and are awaiting their reply.
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Www.thedrum.com/news/2013/04/02/rangers-advertising-campaign-being-investigated-asa-confirms
Although every Rangers fan wants to believe we are the same club, I cannot imagine that the ASA can come to any other conclusion that we are now a new club and thefore breaking advertising law!
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Who really cares what the ASA say. I'm a graphic designer and have to deal with the ASA on a regular basis to do with adverts, statements and USP's. If the european bodies maintain that Rangers are the same club then that is good enough for me.
Let the sad and lonely wearers of the hoops obsess and look for sanctification from any body that they wish. it really just shows them for what they truly are. Jealous of the accolades that Rangers have amassed. Winning the eurpopean cup doesn't seem to be high enough esteem for these hate filled little characters!
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@2. old rangers were entitled to play in europe. the european bodies said that new the rangers couldn't. because you never met requirements. like all new clubs you didn't have three years audited accounts. sad, lonely, obsessed, jealous, hate filled, little. you went a wee bit over the top with the playground name calling there. when you say graphic designer, do you mean you have a box of crayons and a scribble pad. shammy
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If you are a graphic designer you will understand how important it is to be accurate in an advertising framework. No European body has claimed anything, the ECA asked the SFA for clarification, this was given. But I thought the SFA were an inept group who needed cleaned out? If this goes wrong it could lead to a heavy fine, misleading advertising as a means to sell is treated seriously, as i'm sure you know given your job.
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Thank goodness your not my graphic designer if you don't take notice of the ASA! Mind you Craig Whyte didn't take notice of the tax man and that was okay too? Get a grip.
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@2) Its called a bitter rivalry mate. Its been going on for over a hundred years whether you believe its the same Rangers or not the club are from Glasgow and its the same support. And it works both ways. Rangers fans want nothing good to happen to Celtic and vice versa. Celtic fans celebrated like they had won the European cup again when Zenit beat Rangers in the Uefa cup final and Rangers acted exactly the same at full time in Seville. This ASA thing no matter how much you want to believe it is not Celtic, Peter Lawwell or anyone else's fault. Its David Murray, Craig Whyte and all the other d*cks who ran the club into the position of liquidation. Every Rangers fan knows in they're heart what is what no matter what the ASA tells them. All i'm saying is point the finger in the correct direction if your wanting to blame someone.
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@2 well said, they will stop at nothing to try and damage our club and I class Hibs, Aberdeen, Dundee United in that bracket. I wonder if the purveyors of sporting integrity will be up in arms when a team that wins their division does not get promoted.
I very much doubt it. PB
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The point being made is the ASA are not the overseers of football. They may be able to prosecute for that strap line alone but it's hardly misleading now is it. It is a boast at best, much the same way as Celtic broadcast in their media adverts. One Celtic. always Celtic! It's just testament to the sad point scoring depths scottish football has sunk to.
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5. And what would you know about graphic design practices at all. The ASA are a regulatory body and seldom issue fines for anything. the only request made is for future advertising to be changed. Talk about what you know pal. obviously not much!
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@7 pb. they all play in the spl you don't get promoted from there. so it happens to them every season. lol. shammy
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@9. Really, that's your response? They "seldom" give fines. So they do give fines then? So your point"the only request" is completely negated. What a stupid reply to a factual post. I would bet you were a whyte supporter.
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@7 can you tell me what league celtic are getting promoted to as you seem in the know
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@7. rangers fc won 54 league titles and were not promoted once.
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@7 At least you put your name to your post PB but tell me this why would anyone want to damage a NEW 3rd division team.
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02 Apr 2013 12:07:46
I would like to say well done to all the squad but in particular Lee McCulloch. He scored goals when it mattered, played in different positions and led the team through this trying season.
On yirsel big man - a stand out.
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Here Here, a leader on the park when we needed one and we have not lost a goal since he moved to CB. Player of the year by a mile.
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OP you never mentioned " best faller "
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02 Apr 2013 11:55:09
Not a great fan of ally the manager as I've been at every home game this season (& its been bloody hard going most if not all of the time)
however most teams coming to Ibrox seem to have a system which works well, they can pass the ball, create chances and very rarely seemed outclassed. Every team has had one or two players which have caught the eye, which may well have been one off games, HOWEVER, apart from Wallace & possibly Templeton/Little- - I don't honestly think any of our first team would have got into many of these teams.
Which might say more about McCoist & Co, that they were able to tie up the league 20pts clear and 6 games to go.
Credit where its due this week & hope it gets better
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Bill, its a good post, I believe maybe we don't fully understand how dificult it has been for rangers, allys won the league easily, and if he hadn't, god knows whmat would happen, so he deserves credit for that, but I think his problem is the poor performance of the experienced men he brought in,, they've been dreadful, but he got them through,, he will hopefully replace them now, ltho I would prefer a new management team I think ally will have another go at it, who knows, even fergie was sacked,, maybe we havnt fully grasped the seriousness of the situation, the league was all important, he got this team across the line,, just maybe he will improve us now, tommyblue
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02 Apr 2013 02:10:57
Ally McCoist: "It's definitely title 55 - I don't think there is any doubt about that. In terms of major championships, it's not one of those. But you can only win what's in front of you and I hope it's title 56 next year. " Hoping Ally is still at Ibrox next year to make it 56. Too many of the 'sack Ally brigade' going about at the moment for my liking.
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Ally is a desperate man, and any fan who calls this 55 is deluding themselves, I'm a rangers fan who certainly won't be calling it 55.
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The only titles that are (or should be) counted are the ones from the premier division within that country. 55 will not occur until we win the SPL (or whatever body it becomes) when back in the top league.
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@2 trust me I am a rangers fan, just 1 that speaks the truth, anyone that has any satisfaction out of winner division 3 the way we did must be deluded.
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Geo the Ger still one of the deluded I see, w3hatever Charlie or Ally say's is true, well get your season ticket paid, that's all they want from you son, your too dim to see it, hope they put your new team into the SPL next year, what a riot that will be. You just keep listening to the two Billy Liar's man
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I'm not an expert, and I may be wrong here, but I didn't know a league titl didn't count if it isn't the top one in your country, altho I agree we mshudnt call it 55
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Maybe because everyone else those who are not kidding them selves on no its one count it if you want
can't wait for your first ever game at parkhead though maybe then you'll see one of those 9-10 nil games you were hoping to see pity it'll be your wee diddy team on the recieving end
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Google any team in europe and read honours. It will state the different championships as one total and the lower league titles as another.
(Spain) Valencia La Liga winners (6)
Segunda division winners (2)
(Germany) Eintract Frankfurt
Bundesliga winners (1) 2nd Bundesliga winners (1)
(Italy) Genoa Serie A winners (9)
Serie B winners (6)
Serie C winner (1)
(England) Liverpool
Football Lge 1st Division (Premiership) Winners (18)
2nd division winners (4)
(France)St. Etienne Ligue1winners (10)
Ligue2 winners (3)
(Holland)AZ Alkmaar Eredivisie wins (2)
Eerste divisie (3)
(Turkey)Bursaspor SuperLig winners 1
1. Lig winners (2)
(Russia) Alania Vladikavkaz
Russian Premier league winners (1)
Russian First Division winners (1)
(Belgium) KSK Beveren
Belgian first division winners (2)
Belgian 2nd division winners (4)
(Portugal) Boavista
Primeira Liga winners (1)
Segunda divisao winners (2)
If you are a believer that this is the same Rangers then its
(Scotland) Rangers
Scottish Premier Division winners (54)
Scottish 3rd division winners (1)
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@7 Rangers: Scottish Premier Divisions (54) Scottish 3rd division winners (1) = 55 titles overall. Get over it.
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N4 I hope theye offer us back into the spl cause I want to see what they say when we refuse any invite they are on a sinking ship and they know it we know it and how youse can't see it I don't know cheers
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02 Apr 2013 23:34:19
The official statement from rangers states it does NOT mean55. Ally trying to sell ST
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@9. it seems you may have been asleep for a long time. your team has dropped 22 points in div 3 against people who work all week. you have lost to annan athletic! knocked out of the ramsdens cup by a far superior qos. knocked out of the league cup by ict. your team is a laughing stock.
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@9 Don't kid yourself on Mr no name, Charlie and Ally would jump at the chance, only a tit like you, would come out with that nonsense,
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02 Apr 2013 00:06:40
Here's a question for my bear friends.
Would you be happier now if you didn't spend farcical money on duds, (consequently not haemorrhaging money )had got local boys in, they played their hearts out for the jersey but you lost a very close league?
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Quite obviously NO, the winning of this division was seriously important, even critical, so many gers don't understand how much so, tommyblue
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Right I'm going to whisper it, but I one hundred percent agree with Tommy lol. Winning the league was absolutely imperative.
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01 Apr 2013 23:59:06
We need Paul Murray and his Rangers family backers to get us back on track with a new manager - Jim Jeffries
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Look Jim, I am sure you can find a better way of getting a job mate!
Try talking to CG in person, I am sure he would rather hear it from you than through your posts on the Rangers Banter site!
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You have to laught at celtic fans regarding asa theyr really sick the biggest club in scotland are still here
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@2. you are joking aren't you? sick laughing maybe.
annan athletic barcelona
stirling albion benfica
cl group next year?
not even in a parallel universe.
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