Rangers Banter Archive July 29 2014

 

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28 Jul 2014 18:39:17
I am really beggining to get really frustrated with Ally McCoist, I really can't understand the logic in signing 30+ aged players, why are we not signing young talent from the spfl, would not cost much and wages would be nothing compared to Boyd Miller etc etc the thinking behind it is daft imo, he hasn't got an eye for a player and never will. where as Derek McInnes, Jackie McNamara seem to get what's needed


Whtas everyones take on the signing [policy? including u ed?

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{Ed039's Note - young players arent available on a Bosman, thats the main reason)

Even a fee for a young player would do, the wages compared to the likes of miller, boyd, black, foster, cribari, daly with a nominal transfer fee paid it would even itself out over the course of the year would it not?

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{Ed039's Note - not if you want a decent player no it wouldnt)

30 Jul 2014 00:42:24
Wee Cubby Queens Park wanted a £15,000 development fee for Andrew Robertson. (approx 3 weeks wages for Stevie Smith) Thomson decided they would get 10% of the sell on fee so Queens Park have just earned £285,000- United still make £2.6million. Not sure Ally will get £2.6 million for Stevie Smith.

Development fees aren't the problem its the ridiculous wages that are the problem.
Remember big Kevin Kyle "the players couldn't believe the wages they were getting" and "I would have played for a quarter of the money I received"
You can only buy a league title if you don't run out of money. This year will be a real tight squeeze to see out the season.
I would wager we will not see out the season but unlike Black I don't bet against my team.

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Steven Thomson had that chance to give queens park £15,000 but decided to add another £270,000 on top?

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30 Jul 2014 14:07:46
OR Robertson hasn't cost United a penny. He (Thomson) now has £2.6million extra in the bank- the new club paid for the £285,000.They could have had all £2.85 million in the bank but maybe they were as skint as Rangers and couldn't afford the £15k last year. Maybe they thought this could work out better for the small amateur club who knows- philanthropy is not completely dead and is easier when you have just made a £2.6million profit on a 12 month investment. Either way it is a tad better business than Steven Smith to most reasonable men.

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Lexalu if u actually read what Nbear wrote it says "Robertson cost 15k" and with a 10% of any future transfer fee which being 2.7m 10% us 270k? U get ut now lol

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Ed I have to disagree. let's take foster as an example. I am not privy to his wages but I'm guessing he is on at least 2-3000 a week. I watched the same if not as good as him in the third div 2 years ago. is this a "we are still a big club"thing that we couldn't get a player from that division. i'm afraid the blame lies entirely with mccoist. he signed all these diddies and quite frankly he has made us unwatchable. if every supporter is honest we are going along through defiance than being entertained. we had a chance 2years ago to go and get all the best young players from the spl and mould them into a team that would be mature enough in 4 or 5 years time to be worthy of the our great institution. problem is the management team are not good enough to nurture or mould young talent. that's why we signed 30+ hasbeens, to deflect mccoist deficiances. quicker dumb, dumber and even more dumber are relieved of their duties and replaced with someone with a broader foresight the better for rangers.

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Ed039s Note - I am not sticking up for the players or giving my backing to signing the veterans, you asked why we were signing them over the young Prem talent and I gave you the answer)

If you are talking about Thomson and philanthropy in the same sentence, then yes it is completely dead.

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Wee cub were does it say "Robertson cost 15k"?

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15k developmental fee, are you actually serious? His developmental fee was 15k his the he had a clause that queens park got 10% of any future transfer fee, which in turn means queens park get 270k so what part don't u get

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30 Jul 2014 20:37:01
Stephen Thomson probably reckoned that offering a 10% sell on clause was good business because he paid nothing up front, so if Robertson didn't work out then there was no loss. Pretty decent business to be honest

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Ok I read it wrong, wee cub. And yes I am actually serious what part don't you get?

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Whatever qp get will come off whatever tax liability there is with deal

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29 Jul 2014 17:53:17
Does anyone think we'll sell Murray park? personally think it won't happen, and as for Arnold Peralta why has this guy got extended leave? for that World Cup he never took part in

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I'm sure Peralta was angling for a move towards the end of last season. I can only assume there's been no interest in him and he's using his extended leave to find a new club. Don't think he'd be a big miss. Flatters to deceive. As for Murray Park I can't see them selling up. Think it would be a major blunder if they went down that road.

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Its a pitty parelta was never givin game time as ally says he needs a right back and low and behold parelta plays at right back when playing international football

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Especially when Wallace highlighted in his awful 120 day review that he aims to bring through more young players and improve player development etc

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All the diffrent fans groups are to busy fighting with each other when the groups should unite for one big push to prevent the sale of mp and get these greedy greedy people out the door

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Leeboy12 paralta was injured that's why he never played at world cup and who would buy an injured player that's probably why he got extender holiday seems he had a tiff with jim stewart

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29 Jul 2014 22:45:10
Peralta in Paris with new wife and trying to get work permit for her in uk according to his quotes on recent sites .but nothing about coming back to gers .

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Unless he plans on going AWOL when the missus gets her work permit, he will be back at rangers for the season

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30 Jul 2014 09:13:15
@6. I don't suppose his wife is a right back, is she?

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@ 8 nice one- now that's banter.

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N8 steddy brilliant pal but unfortunetly she is a striker

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If peralta was given a chance in his own position he would be ok look at bedoya in world cup another glorious ally blunder

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30 Jul 2014 23:57:31
tmwnn- superb- so is ma wife - yours in black and Blue

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Nbear how are you my friend, do you think we might see peralta playing at right back next season I know its not his chosen possition but hey who knows he plays right back in international games and we now know no player should come to ibrox with a prefered position

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Tmwnn all I can say for sure is he looked good on the clips on youtube. But apart from McLeod has any player improved or lived up to potential under Ally?

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29 Jul 2014 10:37:16
the board say the will not sell the stadium so are we ment to just take there word and going buy season tickets I do not think so they have never told us the truth ad failed to deliver for our club
if they are going sell murray park to
let us see the season out then I think its time they all steped aside murray park with good coaches ect could produce talent for years to come big mistake selling this asset what happens next season if we do not get promoted they will then sell ibrox I think we need all start pulling to gether before everying is sold off

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The statement was released by the football board and not the PLC board so their pledge does not carry any real clout as far as the stock exchange are concerned and can easily be reversed if they want to. BT61

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Although we're Glasgow Rangers FC, we're also a business and we sink or swim on cash flow and profit.

50% down on season ticket sales doesn't make it easy for the Board to operate or plan for the future and maybe this is why Murray Park has been seen as a vital and last resort asset. I can only speculate that the directors need to look at all angles and keep the club afloat. The boycotting of season tickets is a spectacular own goal.

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KF - I have to agree, the same group who are calling for a guarantee that no capital will be raised using the assets as security, are the same group who organized a boycott to hold back one of the main sources of revenue for the club

Just how do they expect the board to raise the required income?

JG

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Well said Kfraser in the beginning it was statements from dave king followed by the UoF, dave king gave up and has walk now we have the UoF doing more harm than good with there statements of boycotts. This is the biggest season and probably the most challenging in our history because if we don't make it into the spfl then we have another uncertain summer 2015/16 so please UoF back off and support the team you've had your 5 mins of fame.

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29 Jul 2014 18:46:48
before the fans even started this boycott the board sayed we had anuf funds to see the season out said they had investers at the agm they were going adopt a new player signing policy a new football operations officer new scout where a top priotry wallace sayed he could raise 5 million at click of a button could this be by using murray park as collartel the board have done nothing they have promised from day one if we give them cash they spend it on bonuses they do not spend a penny on the club see point if they would invest it in the team or club they just keep taking more and more money now want to sell ibrox and murray park board promised the had investment lined up so I ask where is this money I am no part of the uof just a concerned supporter and have been ever since club sold to whyte board need to prove to the supporters

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Yous are all debating would selling mp be the bast thing to do ffs if the board sell mp rangers fc will not see one penny from the sale this is being sold to pay the faceless investers more of there investment back

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Those people that slag the supporters for not bying there books know the reason people ain't buying the board caused this themself and before we get the people that like this board making comments on my post tell me one yes one thing this board have done for the good of our club

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Tmwnn - in the words of the Judean Peoples Front, or is it the Peoples Front of Judea

sanitation, roads, wine, education

Ps that's a wee bit o banter by the way

JG

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@7 Kept us afloat, secured new sponsors namely Red32, secured new shirt deal namely puma, brought in Boyd, Miller, Mcgreggor, Zaliukas etc, rented out Ibrox to the Commonwealth games committee, took the team on a tour of North America and so much more.

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Jyf is that why we are in such a mess all this penny contract stuff means nowt or we wouldn't be skint the people trying to run rangers fc have not got and have never had enough money of there own to be involved ohh that's right the support will pay for it blind leading the blind springs to mind

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Tmwnn, we are hardly skint or we wouldn't have signed players this season, since you seem to be in the know, what is the financial postion of rangers and there directors at present?

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31 Jul 2014 11:37:06
"we are hardly skint or we wouldn't have signed players this season"?? Are you an alien from another planet? What part of the £14.40 million loss in the 1st year of the "new era" did you miss? What part of the crisis loans of £1.5 million to see us through last season did you miss or the fact that 13,000 less season tickets have been sold this season?
Unless the share issue in September raises up towards it's target amount Rangers will not see out the season without secured loans from City vultures. Cup runs, cup wins and exciting entertaining football with Ibrox packed to the purlins or exciting young home grown talent that can be sold on for £3 million and £2.60 million profit (Gauld and Robertson) will secure the financial future of the club.
Is that likely with the current leaders of the football club?

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31 Jul 2014 14:01:59
lexlau only reason we signed these players was that the board thought we would all run and renew our season tickets guess the thought wrong once again

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Nbear you are spot on but some people don't see it or just don't want to.

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Tmwnn on post @7 you asked "tell me one yes one thing this board has done for the good of this club" I named a few and your reply does not make sense, how can getting us new sponsors and and shirt deal be the reason we are "in such a mess" if people don't want to buy their ST for what ever reason then that's up to them but don't tell me that it is helping our financial position and @7 you asked a question will you address my answer?

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Jyf I don't really think I need to answer your question as others have beat me to it cheers all and this bringing in players ffs we had to offload player to allow ally to bring some older mates in but if your happy with that good on you craig8688 I posted the same as you at 13 mate but it never went up anyway some people are easily pleased eh

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Jyf they should have got us sponsors with money as for the shirt deals another contract worth pennies they are to imbaressed to tell us the figures with these deals why are there no investers lined up ; I will tell you why cause anybody looking to give us money know that the charlieboy beet them to this big con money goes through the front door board take it straight out the side doors

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We signed the players, because mccoist wanted them simple as that, not to sell season books, and everyone has been a good signing.

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N3 jg you ask how are the board to raise money ffs that is there job that's why they were brought to the club were are these investers they bragged were on standby ime not meaning the 50 million we all know we won't be getting that umtil we reach the top league

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