Rangers Banter Archive September 28 2017

28 Sep 2017 23:40:47
Do any fellow bears agree that it's about time Jak Alnwick was given his chance now, don't get me wrong I lime Fod but I can't help thinking there is always a mistake in there somewhere . I have said before on here that living in Fleetwood and watching lower league football in England that Alnwick should have been playing at a higher level that he was add that to the fact he was outstanding against Thistle I think it's time he was given the chance to make the No1 spot his own.

28 Sep 2017 22:18:55
Fifa guy you might want to take a closer look at the young guy ( mcrorie) performance against the dhims, although he done ok, he was partly to blame for the first goal, and went to sleep when the thumb ran off him to score the second goal, so let's not get carried away, and grasp at straws the young guy has a long long way to go, remember Wilson!

28 Sep 2017 22:52:51
It was Cardoso who was to blame for 2nd goal if anyone.

Big Fod could also have done better.

To be fair - it was a pretty good goal.

28 Sep 2017 23:01:33
McCrorie had a good game considering he's been thrown in at the deep end.

He needs games at his age if he is going to prigress but it doesn't need to be him in a back three, maybe Wilson.

The three at the back is just an option that would hopefully cover the wing backs and at the same time allow Dorrans to play further up the park.

Right now we have him and jack sitting. I think were a bit flat in the middle and we'd be sacrificing Windass who has been really poor.

Its just a thought though not trying to be the manager

28 Sep 2017 23:10:36
How on earth was he to blame for the first goal? Pena gave it away in midfield which led to a corner and my mum could have had a better swipe at the clearance than our fullback did. McCrorie's fault. really?

28 Sep 2017 23:37:53
Yes totally agree with Dutch the first goal should have been cleared by Cardoso first and if Hodson hadnt crapped himself and dived in front of the ball it wouldn't have been a goal it wasn't young mccrories fault.

28 Sep 2017 23:53:31
Are u a family member :) what's your surname is it Dutch same as me?

29 Sep 2017 09:42:02
Im not a big Fod fan but to give him any sort of blame for Rogic goal is crazy. it was a rocket into the top bin from about 12 yards.

28 Sep 2017 20:32:29
Ed can you start a new manager poll
Mcleish
Mcinnes
Tommy wright
Or stick with pedro
Lets see what the guys want.

{Ed033's Note -


Rangers Manager Poll

28 Sep 2017 22:19:39
Not going your way fod? Hopefully you'll give this get rid of manager a rest now! I'm not saying it hasn't crossed my mind but knee jerk reactions is not the answer. Let's be a little patient at least.

28 Sep 2017 22:33:53
Something tells me that one has backfired for you fod mate! ;)

28 Sep 2017 22:45:27
Really Fodtheprod? Why don't we start a poll for your job? We can even do that generous thing you have just did and let people vote to keep you in a job. get a grip .

28 Sep 2017 23:10:33
These polls are pointless as I'm sure our friends from the east end of the city who frequently post on this site vote too and I'm sure they vote for Pedro to stay

28 Sep 2017 23:10:58
I seriously doubt you are a rangers fan, no true fan can be so negative about everything to do with our club. Decent fans know things aren't perfect but good people are trying to do their best to improve matters. Changing the manager every season is suicidal, we must have some continuity and make small steps to regain past glories. Our enemies must rub their hands when they read supporters behaving like this knowing turmoil produces failure not success.

29 Sep 2017 00:35:41
aye all 130 odd imposters mate! haha

29 Sep 2017 08:38:43
Snell

there will be plenty have no doubt about that and even if it's only 20-30 votes it skews the result

29 Sep 2017 09:40:10
Aye ron. PLG? Walter turned us around from day one after taking over and won the league the following season, just saying.

28 Sep 2017 17:26:54
Ancelotti on his way over to Glasgow as Pedro is shown the door exclusive. as the DR would like to headline.

28 Sep 2017 19:07:08
Hahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaha

26 Sep 2017 16:19:01
First our loan player michael o'halloran said it, now our ex manager alex mcleish is saying today! Michael o'halloran said pedro caixinha's training methods weren't demanding and that he didn't feel at peak fitness, under him at rangers! Big eck now saying rangers didn't look nowhere near as fit as celtic! Fair enough they've got better players than us just now but what I can't, or will not accept is that they are much fitter than us! I'm afraid as a glasgow rangers shareholder and season ticket holder of over 40 years, that's not on! It did look as though they were much superior in fitness levels, to our players! If this is indeed the case, then serious questions have to be asked about our coaching and fitness methods! It has to be looked into, as i say IF this is the case! I would like the ED and my fellow supporters to engage in what they think regarding this subject!

{Ed039's Note - fitness is clearly an issue, apparently all training is done with a ball and I would prefer some older fashioned approach to fitness, however my biggest gripe with Caixinha is he is an imposter, the guy is never a football coach in his life, not for a club like rangers anyway and the sooner he goes the better, if rumours of him losing the dressing room are true then we have a serious problem and a manager with organisation, humility and character needs to come in asap)

28 Sep 2017 20:51:42
Brilliant ed thanks so much for your comments. Maybe the posters on here will now take notice. I agree with every point. This man has to be shown the door before It's too late. The funny thing is I think there is a decent squad there along with some good younger players coming through. I'd get Alex McLeish in now. I reckon he could get us at least trying to compete again.

28 Sep 2017 21:05:04
Totally agree with this an imposter! . No pedigree and no clue. Funny big Alves going to be back tomorrow but missed the game that he was teally needed for. Keep young Mcrorie and bring in Mcleish as DOF and Chris Wiilder fron sufc. That guys got pedigree and Ian Ferguson as number 2. A real true blue!

28 Sep 2017 23:05:08
"Aparrantly". . either training is all ball work or it isn't. The days of running up and down the terracing are long gone. All teams do most work with a ball. Anybody could tell you that you can run all day when you have the ball but it's much harder when you don't have it. We are miles behind Celtic and all the moaning in the world won't change it i'm afraid.

28 Sep 2017 23:50:22
Get them all down to Gullane sands for a wee session we will see how fit they are then.

29 Sep 2017 09:44:33
Celtic are better and move the ball better, therefore look fitter just like PSG did to them and made them look unfit. all full time pro footballers will be of a similar fitness bar the odd 1 or 2 that struggle or the odd 1 or 2 that are super fit.

28 Sep 2017 08:23:47
Listen guys. I just watched Pedro. s presser there. the media are making him look like a clown. no matter how u feel about him is there anyway we could give the guy our backing. the guy is getting it from all angles. let's show Pedro why we are rangers fans. remember no one likes us. give Pedro a bit of love guys. he really does fight for our club. on all fronts.

28 Sep 2017 11:27:22
Agree totally delboy I read it everywhere about his stupid remarks? what stupid remarks? What he said something about dogs and caravavs? So what that is a saying from his country what is wrong with that? He believes he gas the best squad? Of course he believes? Kings what is wrong with some people give the man a break I can't believe some of our own calling for a british manager? Foreign managers not good enough? Give him a chance lads or give it a rest about British managers.

28 Sep 2017 11:55:15
Saying he has the best squad while it's clearly not true isn't clever

28 Sep 2017 12:11:25
Spaky1320, It may not be the thing to say publicly, but I am of the opinion he is trying to instill confidence into his players by saying it.

28 Sep 2017 12:14:26
He’s saying he has the best squad that’s available to HIM and that’s all he’s saying he’s not saying he has the best squad in the country that’s a prime example of the press twisting his words and everybody jumps on him give the man a break DO YOU WANT ALLY BACK? and all his signings!

28 Sep 2017 12:31:15
Like you sparky he has an opinion, and the difference being he is trying to install confidence in rangers players not trying to destroy their confidence

28 Sep 2017 12:51:16
I really feel for Pedro. every paper or radio pundit and now some gets fans think the guy is useless. I don't think he is. I believe if we give him time to build. he will totally change it around. he has had one transfer window and had to buy a full new team. maybe add 2/ 3 quality players in Jan then come the summer add another 3/ 4.I know it's hard watching Celtic win everything but they are a decent side. I like Pedro. I love his passion for the club. but the problem we've got is everyone wants instint success. I just wish our fans would get right behind him. he's getting it tight from all angles. let's not add to it. I really would love Pedro to have the last laugh on all of them. time we backed him and the club and stick together.

28 Sep 2017 12:53:16
Braingersfan

Hasn't exactly worked has it?

28 Sep 2017 12:55:02
Calamero

So is Ally the only person that's available if Pedro goes? I think you'll find there will be plenty better managers than Ally that would take the job

28 Sep 2017 13:14:13
Sparky there is plenty of managers out there and they’re also on plenty of money (something we don’t have a lot of) we have a managerial team in place get behind them instead of slagging them off!

28 Sep 2017 13:49:03
Calamero

That's not what he said about the squad he clearly said he had the best squad and you making things up about what he said doesn't alter what he said. Even if he did say that then that's clearly not true either as he could have easily got Moult and Walker for what he paid for Herrera

28 Sep 2017 14:18:03
I think the players he signed this summer most have made us better. but that wasn't hard after the crap left by warbs. I really hope Pedro comes through this stick patch. you might think I'm crazy but I. ll still get behind him. because right now he needs the fans more than ever. but it's only my opinion.

28 Sep 2017 15:35:01
He is backing his squad Sparky. He can hardly come out and say Celtic are a much better team. And when big Sutton tried to collar him on bt by asking who he would take from Celtic he can't say "I'd take Gordon, Tierney, Brown, etc etc"

The guy was backing his team. Something that seems a bit of a strange concept in this day and age.

28 Sep 2017 16:06:48
Delboy, facts don't lie and we are better off; by 2 points compared to this time last year.
Opinion is different though and it is not a great improvement over Warburton and his "crap" especially after the summer spending. And we'd already played Aberdeen by this time last year.
In terms of bringing in 2/ 3 quality players in the winter window and 3/ 4 in the summer, I don't think it would make a differences as I don't think he's got it as a manager. He could have the best squad in the league and I still think he would struggle to put a string of results together.
Do I want him sacked? No. I can see that the cycle of sacking the manager regularly isn't good. Also, there is no money to sack him and recruit a new team. We will just have to accept it until his contract is up or he moves on.
I don't rate him and I don't want him, but we are stuck with him and I will tolerate him, but please no one tell me that I have to get behind him and give him, what would be, false praise.

28 Sep 2017 16:21:51
Baz the bear

He didn't need to say that and why say it knowing it will come back to bite him?

28 Sep 2017 16:38:20
the media (chriss sutton )
is the reason for this whole i have the best squa malarky to go on as most managers worth their salt after buying a new squad would say that to boost their confidence and the media know that the thing i can't wrap ma head around is why our own fans are saying the same thing as sutton and keeping ity going .

its something he said and will say no matter who he manages as a lot of managers do the media are taking it too far and so are some of our so called "fans"

28 Sep 2017 16:58:30
Sparky

All I'm saying it's a loaded question. He is damned if he says his squad are the best and he would have been slated by our support if he said that Celtic had the best squad.

28 Sep 2017 23:15:40
Baz

All our support already know they have the best squad so how would he be slated for admitting that. Saying they have the best squad but I'm working to hard to change that would have been well received by the support

29 Sep 2017 00:00:24
If you read Pedro's story he has had a fair bit of success particularly in Mexico but I feel his biggest mistake was undervaluing British players who were performing in the league because of the dross he had inherited.

28 Sep 2017 07:40:20
People calling for the managers head are knuckle draggers. They are using a heavy defeat to celtic and a half decent aberdeen ending their ibrox hoodoo last season as the benchmark of their 'pedro out' campaign. He played warburtons team of English championship squad players, league 1 bench players and league two players to see if and how they suited his system so he could get rid of as much garbage as he could.

Now this season he is playing a 75% or more new team and we have had a few bad results. This is a rebuilding job which has cost £10m give or take and we would have to pay off his contract and that of a new manager if its the mcinnes or wright people are speaking of who would also want there own players. Where does it end. We don't have a billionaire owner i'm afraid. We can only spend what we make untill we are back in europe properly.

And we probably couldn't afford what we did spend if u take into account the daily costs of running the club. We will be in debt although not huge amounts so its probably manageable. Rome was not built in a day. There is around 5 different nationalities in our squad if u count home nations as 1? Most of which are playing together for the 1st time.

All coming from different playing styles at there respective clubs now trying to get used to caixinhas style and trying to get used to scottish football. I genuinely think after xmas and next summers window we could be pushing celtic all the way. Saturday could of been a different story had our 1st choice centre half and our 1st and 2nd choice left back not all been injured at the last minute (i think hodson who may be willing to play there, but is awful at left back, cost us dearly) .

I honestly think if we could get 3 out of 4 from walker, moult, McLean and shinnie, we would be a roasting team, atleast domestically. We have always had spl players in our successful years. Boyd, naismith, thomson, whittaker etc etc (the list is endless), so i'm astonished when people turn their nose up at scottish lads now?

Any half sensible rangers supporter would surely agree with my points if they sit and read with there head and not there heart? In pedro i trust tbh. The guy gets what rangers is about in my opinion and he needs time to build on this year.

28 Sep 2017 08:24:37
Knuckle draggers because they don't have the same opinion as you? Do you not think that's a bit of a sweeping statement seeing as you probably don't know any of the people on here personally?

28 Sep 2017 09:11:19
Just thinking that we might have missed the boat with moult as he is creating a lot of interest now hopefully we will get him, If we are smart we can get quite a few players signed up on pre contracts in January so they are free, walker McClean moult Crawford from accies Russell from derby MacArthur from palace if he takes a pay cut and maybe Burke from Swansea all Bluenoses except for Crawford and moult not sure about them, in return we lose kranjar, Windass, Holt, Thompson, dalcio, miller and if we can get a rb hodsons days are numbered would also get rid of Danby Wilson too injury prone there is a great Aussie cb available in Jan for nothing matt spiranovic has played over 30 games for Australia and is a solid pro that would certainly strengthen the squad and cost us very little just wages.

28 Sep 2017 09:15:01
I think its a fairly accurate description of the "pedro oot" brigade. Do i need to know these guys personally to know they are fairly simple minded. I wouldn't say so no. I don't know joey essex on personal terms but i know he's as thick as two short planks! The knee jerk loyal think because we are rangers we will win. And everytime we get a bad result they are in disbelief. They still live in the 90s in there heads and must think we still have laudrup, mccoist, gazza and the likes playing for us. don't get me wrong i don't accept the state we are in. I grew up watching the players i just mentioned and every draw or defeat hurts as much as it does for the rest of our support. But i don't get a wee zap in my brain that makes me go "pedro oot". Because i fully acknowledge the scale of the downward spiral we went on 5 years ago and the struggle its taken to get to where we are now. Especially financially. We will do very well to compete with celtic considering there champs league money and that is just pure fact. If u took the time to read my post and take it in with an open and fair mind there isn't much you could argue with. Maybe my signing targets as they are personal choices. But if we are being honest i'd like to think I've hit the nail on the head no? i'm not trying to start arguements lads i'm just trying to talk a bit of sense into halfwits that assume we should be pumping celtic just because we are rangers.

28 Sep 2017 09:27:30
Sparky, I think his point is fair as there are some supporters who can't move into the 21st century. His comments about where the club is and where they should be is spot on.
The rebuilding should have started in 2012 but it did not for a variety of reasons.
Can/ will the supporters give the guy time to implement his ideas? Personally, I doubt it and the club will just keep going back to GO and start again.
The club just does not have the financial resources to sustain current expenditure and certainly cannot afford to ditch and compensate the latest managerial team. So it's time for patience.
I will also say that Walter etc. who all professed genuine love for the club and made a lot of money from it, could step in and assist without charge but that does not seem to be happening

28 Sep 2017 09:32:09
Oh yes not sure about Russell from Derby he's a Glasgow boy but I am not sure if he is a bluenose or not I guess its a 50 50 chance.

28 Sep 2017 09:40:47
Johnny russell is a big celtic fan guys!

28 Sep 2017 09:43:33
i'm not trying to start arguements lads?

OP. If you're not trying to start what you call arguements - the correct spelling incidentally is arguments - then it might be best not to call anyone who sees that Pedro is not up to the job a knuckledragger.

28 Sep 2017 09:49:58
Password

If some of the support don't think the manager is the answer then they are entitled to voice that opinion. The reality is that no managers have very much time. Look how many mangers have been sacked already in Britain. De Boer got 5 games. Results have been poor and the team lack pace, imagination, creativity and heart. Under him we have lost to the 4th best team in Luxembourg which is by far the worst result in the clubs history. In 3 games his team have offered nothing against Celtic and have meekly lay down to them. His comments about having the best squad make him look stupid and picking fights with opposition players and coaches does nothing to help the cause. He has failed so far as Rangers manager and needs to go

28 Sep 2017 09:58:39
Muir_bluenose

No your post isn't balanced or fair you have just cherry picked out certain things to make your post sound fair and balanced. Never mind Celtic we can't even beat Hearts, Hibs or Progres. You say we need to be back in Europe properly? We were in Europe this season but managed to lose to a team that finished 4th in the Luxembourg league. The most embarrassing defeat in the clubs history. Even with the players he inherited from Warburton your not telling me we shouldn't have beaten them. He has had 3 games against Celtic and while I didn't expect us to win any of them I did expect at least a bit more fight and determination. We meekly lay down to them and let them walk all over us. That's totally unacceptable for any Rangers team no matter who plays for us. Both Hibs and Hearts have rebuilt their squads too this season yet we are on a par with both having spent far more money. Instead of buying the unfit Pena or the cumbersome Herrera he could have used the money to get players like Moult and Walker both guys who have proved themselves in the SPFL

28 Sep 2017 10:54:55
I've not joined in the Pedro must go-Pedro must stay debate so far but I think the guy who posts as"thinkaboutit"talks a lot of sense. First let me say to the likes of Fod the prod, Naz, Sparky that I have been distinctly underwhelmed by Pedro so far. Our loss to Progres was pitiful, the loss of our home record to Aberdeen dire and our displays against Celtic so far pretty abject mostly. There is however a big but and that's if he does go then what? Where will the money come from to pay off his staff and him, to compensate another club if we poach their manager. e. g Aberdeen, for the turnover of playing staff which a new manager would undoubtedly bring. Quite a few million I reckon that would take. Yes shareholders will probably vote for a new issue at the AGM but I think a lot of that money would go to pay back loans already given to the club. The retail deal will begin to make us money but that will be in the long term. Now keeping Pedro because we can't afford to sack him and all the financial cost that would go with that isn't great but seriously I ask what realistic and I mean, realistic choice do we have? I remember having the same discussions about Warburton this time last year and if he hadn't done a runner to Nottingham he would have probably seen the season out, for good or ill. Pedro was given a lot more money than I expected in the summer so maybe our benefactors on the board have a lot more money available to bring in a whole new management teams and load of new players but I doubt that. All I've got at present is hoping for the best that he'll work out and that some his du bious (Pena, Herrera), disappointing so far (Alves, Dorrans) and wasted (Dalcio) signings start to truly justify their worth. I would however be happy to hear about realistic alternative plans and where the money would come from to act on them from any of the Pedro must go squad.

28 Sep 2017 11:06:07
Sorry boys meant mcburnie from Swansea in earlier post jeez having a bad day.

28 Sep 2017 11:57:25
Sorry because people don't think Pedros up to job doesn't mean their knuckledtaggers what a stupid statement same school of thought that people who voted for brexit are racist. no people are entitled to their opinion not seen much improvement so I can see where their coming from but I'm willing to give him this season

28 Sep 2017 12:03:48
Liverpool Ger

I totally get where your coming from and yes I think what will save Pedro is that there is no money to sack him and his staff however what happens in January? Does the board give him more money? Or is it a case of having to sell before he can buy.

28 Sep 2017 16:35:04
The same people that are whining about opinions are slating mine. That to me shows slow mindedness as you are contradicting yourselves. Sparky you say i'm cherry picking then you litteraly do it yourself by mentioning celtic defeats and progres. Progres was awful mate there's no denying it but i'm afraid these things happen. Game came too early for a new squad maybe but i'm i can't even makes excuses, we should of pumped them. I think by the end of the season you wouldn't be saying we are on par with hibs and hearts etc as we will be above them comfortably. Aberdeen will be close again. Celtic certainly won't be 39 points. And my point about knuckle draggers is directed towards the pedro out guys who can't back up a valid reason why. i'm so far yet to hear one so aye i stand by my claims if u wanna get serious about it. Most reasons are based on the fact these guys want to go and cry into their pillows because 55 hasn't come just because they want it to. i'm guessing there's a few young guys behind these keyboards and i will say it again, there is not a shred of sense sacking the manager and setting us back yet again! Your asking for it because if results aren't coming that's what clubs do. Have a day off eh? Its all very good palace sacking de boer but palace are in the premier league where they make hundreds of millions. Get a grip lads honestly. Some of these counter arguements are valid to a point and i do accept peoples opinions. Just not ridiculous ones.

28 Sep 2017 16:42:49
No we won’t have to sell because we will get moult and Walker for next to nothing or even for nothing in the summer good move by Pedro maybe he’s not as daft as you think! instead of paying £2mil?

28 Sep 2017 19:56:12
What if we sign moult and walker and they flop, who will you blame then.
Ohalloran looked good at st Johnstone we signed him full of hope, but he was rubbish now back at st Johnstone looks good again . Its not easy playing in front of 50000 some players just never show their true capabilities because of the heavy expectations . Wevneed to get behind the club at the moment because there are a lot of people happy to see the current chaos go on.