Rangers Banter Archive July 28 2012

28 Jul 2012 19:47:14
Well done the lady bears in a 2-0 win over celtic.
craig+babybear

28 Jul 2012 17:43:39
Not a rumour but more of an observation with a question attached to it.

Why does Green never wear the club tie? Any pic or footage seems to show him wearing some beige number!

Have you ever seen him blink?... CheltBlue

He wore one when he first came on the scene. Whether he has or hasnt recently, i dont know. Dont really care if im honest. As long as he is true to his word. He could wear a green n grey one for all i care ;-P

I have seen him wearing club tie a few times.

He knows he can't wear the old club colours, badges and logos.
He knows the new stuff he's approved will soon be out.
The old tie belongs to a different club being liquidated.

What tie, the Sevco tie. People forget we are a new company if we stay as Rangers then we will end up with all punishments.

David Murray and Craig Whyte wore the club tie. Some guys they were! So what's your point?

pappy

Utter rubbish have seen him wear club tie and blazer plenty of times !Ger76

28 Jul 2012 16:31:39
Where do Rangers stand with their
Tennents shirt sponsorship now?
Has this been transferred to the newco,
or was it dependent on SPL participation?

Tennents have a policy of not sponsoring div3 teams. A board decision is required to overrule that policy.

To the reply above, you're talking tripe. That brewery has no such policy. Sponsorship's about opportunities to see a brand or interact with it. T Cal Brewery will still get their brand on the front and back pages of the papers.

28 Jul 2012 16:06:16
Iwas never a great fan of Ian Blacks always thought he was to Dangerous a player was always on the verge of ending someones carrier with mad tackles BUT you have to hand it to the guy and others like him who are willing to drop down the leagues to help Rangers they know we are still a massive club and they wont regret or be forgotten for doing so.

Yeah, it's amazing how hard times like this can show how two-faced fans can be?

'willing to drop down the leagues' etc. Like he would have done if he had any offers from Championship clubs in England.

It was not that long ago most rangers fans wanted him hung drawn and quartered for a tackle on jellyfish

28 Jul 2012 15:41:13
Listen guys,Ally has every right to have a go at the situation,its ok for some of you coming on here spouting gash about,one thing and another,give the guy a break,if you dont like it,go support some other team,he CARES,do you want a yes man as manager,so wind the necks in guys,back the team,and Ally,we have enough people having a pop at our club,remember,we are the club,when they have a pop at the club,they also attack us,the loyal Rangers support,Rangers first and always.

All coisty wants is a right to reply, the governing bodies want rangers to accept any future sanctions without challange.everyone has a civil right to defend themselves in law if they feel an injustice is being done,what makes scottish footballs governing bodies think they are above the law.every rangers fan,no every reasonable football fan should thank mr mccoist for taking a stand.

Crap manager- he'll be relieved he's in the third div with thirty times the resource of his nearest rivals. Rangers winning games in the third won't reflect on his managerial ability.

And what are your views when Lenny voiced his opinion? You're quick to call him a disgrace for sticking up for his team, but applaud ally?!

Poster its the way that lennon "DEFENDS" his team that bothers people i.e the running on the pich to confront refs and the constant slabering and eye buldging that make him look like a thug ! Ger76

28 Jul 2012 13:51:05
First 5 posts Ihave read today are obvisouly from people who hate the Gers Alliance,That said they do understand that they the media and the rest of Scotland are only talking about one team even although we have been punted to Div3 we are still the only ones worth showing on TV or being talked about on media sites just as well the Gers are still alive and kicking for without us what would all these "fans" of other clubs do in their empty daily lives.
The conditions being handed down by the we Hate The Gers Alliance leaders in the Spl supported by their deputies in the SFA have done us a bizzare favour in that we are having our History protected by them as they try and turn the screws on us. I am sure this was never considered by most of them as they thought they were delivering fatal blows! However our great club has taken some massive hits to the chin but like a true heavy weight champ it gets up from the floor and shows for every hit we have a loyal support all over the world that will put its hand out and help the club back to its feet-The supports next job is to save the ordinary workers posts at Ibrox and Murray park by buying season tickets and selling out Ibrox for all home games - not too much to ask considering the rubbish we have had to put with for months.come on show all of Football WATP that dont walk away.

28 Jul 2012 11:35:07
Most important part of this saga mr green says there will be no redundancies

Ed how the hell can site users disagree with the above statement they have ovo never been out of work or probably the other have never been in work!

28 Jul 2012 11:54:23
Green' statement of website:

" "For my team, for the manager and for the staff we still have big challenges.

"One of the issues is that we have lost a massive amount of revenue moving from European football to SPL football down to Third Division football.

"In any normal business opportunity you would have wholesale redundancies, we haven't done that.

"What I committed to the manager yesterday and what I am committing now to the club and the fans that if everyone supports this club we will not make any redundancies.

"We will suffer the losses that will inevitably occur but we need the fans to get behind us.

"I believe within the next one or two years there will be a massive change in football and we want to keep the people and the management team intact."

Anyone have any idea what the massive change is that he's referring to. Noboby else in football is talking of any massive change.

Mac2.

I think he means in terms of financially, teams going into admin and/or reducing the playing budget. By the time we reach the SPL, the calibre of player we're looking at now will be enough to compete in it. I might be completely off the mark but that's how I interpreted it.

Grant

League reconstruction in Scotland, due to rangers not being in the top tier,maybe the coming together of all these footballing bodies do we need SFA, SPL, SFL, One we country, One ruling body only required! New Sky deal to be negotiated, how many spl teams left without The Rangers Cash!

That man Jim Traynor is---on radio Scot.He beieves Gers ok next season afer reorganising.Maybe his usual tit bits from Ibrox?Wrong in past be maybe not this time

League reconstruction was a key aspect of the SFA statement last night. It wouldn't be a massive leap to imagine that an SPL2 is still being touted behind the scenes. Of course Green was briefed that Rangers would definitely be in Division 1 this season and that didn't pan out as they had hoped but it is an indication that getting Rangers back into the SPL in as short a time as possible is still on the agenda of the SFA and the SPL.

Brian

Spl2 or other European leagues joining forces ( atlantic league).

28 Jul 2012 11:07:10
now we have accepted all conditions from SFA, SPL, SFL etc etc will the SPL now pay up the money they owe us from last season think it was about 900k

JG

Would think, since they played most games under Whyte regime that any money due will go to OLDCO? for creditors? we should not be tainted by gibes that we need money that should been paid out to our creditors would mean Green etc same as old board.

1.3 mill but that should go to clubs that we owe money to and that will get rid of some of the flack we are getting .

Aren't the SPL holding back the money that gers are due for being second in the league to pay other footy teams?

We owe £3m in football debts.
It could be said that we didn't deliver second place in the SPL last year as we fielded players we couldn't afford (75% wage drops) and we didn't pay £17.5m in vat, NI and PAYE. So second place should be stripped, we went bust in the middle of the season.

They are holding it back but that isnt the way it was agreed , rangers are supposed to pay thiese debts themselves , they are still showing the most shocking amount of arrogance , from the board to the supporters , no wonder otherv teams are queueing up to put the boot into us

28 Jul 2012 10:47:24
While I want to support Rangers I am becoming increasingly tired of the rest of the SPL clubs trying to milk as much as they can out of us while they kick us.

I am seriously considering not buying my TV package for this season, and only supporting the club in person, to make sure the money goes only to the club I love, and not into the hands of what will be forever more our enemies (the current SPL clubs less Kilmarnock and Dundee). None of these clubs will see me at their stadia ever again.

He who laughs last lasts longest!

At 1 think u ave got that saying wrong

28 Jul 2012 08:49:24
my god, just read ally`s latest rant in the daily rebel, time to go back to tv. ally, you are doing us no favours with your idiotic comments ,please go while you still have the respect of the fans who love you.

Sorry to say i agree with you on this ,, Ally living in the past and is part of the problem we cant move on form this? if titles etc have to go then so be it, we are starting anew the old Gers are still to be closed so we must be a NEWCO or cna there be 2 Rangers at same time ??

I suspect another celtic fan posting anti-Ally propaganda. An old firm manager is judged on titles won,Ally wasn't giving a full season on equal footing with Lennon last season(only 5pts behind with 12 matches left and celtic renowned for cracking under pressure during title run-ins)due to administration. Only a celtic fan would say that Ally should walk away.

Rubbish, he's absolutely correct in saying what he has, just the truth, that's all

What part of his statment was idiotic as you put it, to my mind and to fellow bears i have spoken to belive that ally is the only one willing to stand up to the sfa/celtic witch hunt that seems to be going on ! Ger76

@4: the part that claimed Rangers had been kicked out of the SPL was idiotic as the club was no longer in the league to be kicked out. The part that claimed the club had been mismanaged for 10 months was idiotic as it's clear to everyone that years of mismanagement have caused the problems.

That enough for you?

28 Jul 2012 10:34:37
Yet more nonsense from McCoist, continuing the line that Rangers were 'kicked out' of the SPL, and there was mismanagement for only 10 months at the old club (!) etc. He needs to give it a rest and just be happy his team can play tomorrow.

Why exactly is that, he's a Rangers man and he gets my backing for his comments or do you think we should just roll over and let them all have their pound of flesh. Keep up the good work Ally and as for Charles Green wasn't that sure of him to start with but his statement about us being Rangers and the comparisons to our "former city rivals" was spot on!

Once Rangers, always Rangers, forever Rangers.............

......dead rangers

Briggs

@1 Green said if liquidation occurs that will be the end of rangers timeline,whats changed his mind? Selling season books maybe?

I think it is you guys who have had your pound of flesh with all the cheating over the years and the clubs and company's you didn't pay who have had to make cuts in their own way, so don't feed us your crap about being hard done. You should be grateful for even being allowed to play anywhere.
fifer

Allys rant once again trying too pander to the fans,10months?try ten years!& as for greenes statement,the asylum beckons,hes after one thing,CASH!As sevco fc will have to sell 50,000 season tickets to try break even for the season,or if its CASH only,say 20quid a ticket,then over 60odd thousand would be needed too be sold!so a will give sevco fc till about xmas,then enter admin,BDO will start liquidation next week,so plenty more corruption still to be unveiled.....stevo

28 Jul 2012 10:19:44
Love greens defence of every situation " it's not sevco's problem" well he new what he was getting into when he chose to start a new club if he didnt want all the hassle he should have stumped up the money to save the old club from liquidation. It's not even his club that is having the titles stripped that club is gone when will people realise this and just get on supporting the new club

28 Jul 2012 09:57:08
another rant from McCoist. used to admire this guy but no longer. why can't he, and every other Rangers fan get it? what has happened to them up to this point is not punishment but consequences of problems, caused by them! administration? consequence 10pt penalty. no audited books? consequence !yr European ban. liquidation? relegation and 3yr ban from europe.
he mentions they are being punished for the actions of the last 10months and enough is enough. only now are they being punished for last 10months by the fine and transfer embargo, and these only. fair enough. but this sticking point of the dual contract investigation is different. goes back a lot longer than the last 10 months and, if guilty, which it must be said looks like they are, is cheating and must be punished! I don't care what that punishment may be, but if it is titles stripped then so be it. a token gesture as Rangers are heading for liquidation anyway! for McCoist and Green and the rest to demand the investigation is cancelled is arrogant beyond belief! if they are guilty, punish them. and then we will see if Ally "we don't do walking away" McCoist will carry out his threat and walk away. {Ed001's Note - erm those consequences you list are actually punishments. Consequence for going into liquidation is having to sell all assets, relegation is the punishment. It is not difficult to understand!}

Rangers werent relegated. They ceased to trade and a new company was given a slot in divison 3.

Ed001 - You are wrong, Rangers were not relegated.

As a result of the pending liquidation, Oldco lost their place in the SPL and a vacancy arose.

Newco, as a new company, applied for a transfer of Oldco's SPL share to fill this vacancy, which was rejected by a vote of the SPL clubs.

Newco then applied for membership of the SFL and the clubs of the SFL voted them into SFL3.

The SPL clubs subsequently voted that Oldco's share be transferred to Dundee.

There was certainly no relegation.

Mac2. {Ed001's Note - I meant that his talk of relegation would not be a consequence but a punishment. You are right though, it was not actually a relegation anyway.}

They are punitive consequences!!!! Punishments for wrong doings put in place to discourage mismanagement and cheating etc.

Are you's really that thick??!!!

pappy

28 Jul 2012 05:28:24
how funny to read ally mccoist on teletext slating spl , saying they have been hostile , i think you will find that hostility is what has given him the bad press recently for a guy i used to respect i think its time he resigned and faded into the background {Ed039's Note - I thought he made some very valid points to be honest)

Hes the only one who is sticking up for us and not letting the spl and sfa walk all over us - totally agreed with what he said.

Ger1986

Why should Ally resign ? He quite eloquently ,stated what a pigs ear the SFA,and the panel of blazers made of our membership,the full impact is still to be felt,lost tv money,even after they steal some that Rangers will provide,also,sponsorship,they have not covered themselves in glory,they should have given us membership,and then worked through the process,Kelty have been affected through no fault of Rangers,the SFA,just dont have a clue,the sooner they go the better,for all Scottish football.

Totally agree edd.ally just saying what every rangers fan thinks and I respect the man for it about time someone fought our corner,may not be the best manager out there but by god he loves the club and gas been a legend these last 5mths.greater men would have walked but he's staying for the fight.so if you can't back the man then your the bloke with issues.

So, why doesn't he take his complaint to UEFA ?
Finbar.

28 Jul 2012 01:05:01
not 100% sure some maybe someone could clear this up... so were not allowed to sign anyone with out a license? so does this temporary one we have till next Friday allow us to sign/register players?

GC90

Yes.

Mac2.

We can sign players,just not register them. (The official web site seems to think we will be able to register them next Friday.)This has been done with Black and Little along with two of the younger boys,were they have signed a contract but are waiting to be registered.
Namba

They can only play as trial it's till they get full license, then we have until 1sept to buy all the players we need for next 2 seasons, not sure how many we are allowed on the books though!

27 Jul 2012 23:22:37
Straight from the BBC Div 3 page:

BBC Home Menu Rangers: Ally McCoist criticises SPL's 'hostile agenda' 27 July12 22:02

Rangers manager Ally McCoist has criticised the Scottish Premier League for pursuing "as hostile an agenda as possible" towards the club.

The relaunched Ibrox outfit have been granted conditional Scottish FA membership, allowing them to start their season at Brechin on Sunday.

Protracted discussions over membership, which involved the SPL, had placed the Ramsdens Cup tie in doubt.

"Rangers have not been punished enough in [the SPL's] eyes," said McCoist.

McCoist was appointed manager of the old Rangers last summer and, by February of this year, the club had entered administration with mounting debts.

The club could not be saved from liquidation and were reformed by a new company.

However, the Rangers 'newco' had their bid to replace the old club in the SPL rejected and were eventually accepted, in principle, into the Scottish Football League Third Division.

But the issue of inheriting the old Rangers' SFA membership - required for league and cup participation - remained unresolved until a conditional transfer was granted, with the permanent transfer due to take place on completion of legal documentation.

Rangers have agreed to incur a 12-month transfer ban that was handed out to the old club by the SFA as punishment for bringing the game into disrepute.

But issues relating to media rights and possible sanctions as a result of the SPL's investigation into how Rangers paid their employees in the previous decade had held up the process.

McCoist last week insisted he would "never accept" Rangers being stripped of titles won during the period being probed by the SPL.

And, in a lengthy statement, the manager described the recent uncertainty over Rangers' status as "a ludicrous situation".

"No one is denying that Rangers were badly mismanaged for 10 months," said McCoist. "Nor are we disputing that we should be punished for that. We have been. We accept that punishment and want to start putting the past behind us and move forward.

"But that is not being allowed to happen -and I have to ask myself why?

"In recent days, I have been in a number of meetings with Stewart Regan, Rod Petrie and other senior SFA figures - and despair at the lack of leadership shown.

"In my years in professional football, I have not always agreed with everything the SFA did or said. But, no matter what you thought of their decisions, there was no doubt they ran the game firmly and robustly.

"I can only imagine [former chief executive] Ernie Walker looking down on us now and shaking his head in disbelief at the sad state of affairs and the way they have been mishandled.

"The SPL kicked us out - which was their right - and we acknowledge that. But that doesn't seem enough for [chief executive] Neil Doncaster and some of his board.

"Having said they don't want us they do want a bigger share of the TV money that our presence will bring to the SFL and its clubs. Never mind sporting integrity - where is the moral integrity there?

"And there is no line to be drawn in the sand. Rangers have not been punished enough in their eyes and along with one or two people who have a vested interest within SPL clubs, our right to past titles will be challenged.

"They want what we and our fans bring, yet seem determined to strip us of every bit of our dignity. It has to stop."

McCoist went on to thank the SFL for inviting Rangers into the lower league set-up.

"It is time to start playing football again," he added.

DM12

28 Jul 2012 00:21:13
FINALLY!!! The incompetent, clueless baboons at the SFA have finally come to an agreement and granted The Gers a conditional membership. I don't even care what these conditions are but what worries me is why it dragged on for so long. I understand how difficult the current situation is but surely the governing body of Scottish football could have done a lot better?

Now we can actually move forward and get on with the rebuilding process to get this club back into the SPL.

I can't wait for the season to kick off now, who cares if we are in the third division, after suffering this torrid period, cheering the Teddy Bears on again is an exciting prospect!

TTG

The SFAs backs broke carrying you lot {Ed039's Note - who you trying to kid)

Agree 100%. It looks as if it's all been a bit of a game to the SPL and SFA with the way in which it has been dealt with.
Dragging it out to try and emphasis who is in charge.
They must have known they were going to offer a conditional membership.

Nothing about the negotiations involving five parties, including old and new Rangers in the OP. What if some of the perceived incompetence was down to your club? That couldn't be the case, could it, as it's easier to blame others as so many fans have all along.

28 Jul 2012 00:02:19
Why the delaying over the EBT issue? If the EBTs were all declared as part of the players/employees contract then we have nothing to fear from any investigation/tribunal.

Isn't all this posturing just an admission of guilt?

Sure - we can keep the rest of our history, but matches won with illegally registered players should be re-scored at nil-3 and all match points and trophies re-calculated accordingly.

Mate i take it you are a celtic man...Rangers did not match fix, infact at the time when Rangers were winning those 'tainted' titles they were deemed to be won fair and square by Spl rules.
Dual contracts are questionable, at the time it was deemed for non playing purposes in which case why didnt the Spl question those payments at the time if we were so clearly cheating.

To be honest if Celtic fans want to claim to be paper champs then so be it...It still doesnt cover up the fact that they have mainly bottled it over the past decade..

Comon trying to claim the 2010-11 title, won by a team with a threadbare squad with a 41 year old captian and selling our top goalscorer again at christmas. That was won by sheer will to win and BOTTLE, a glorious penalty save by shagger and a special day at Kille.

Now away with your -3 points p!sh because of a few undecided legal view points on tax law.

Wise auld Bear

A sensible poster yet all you Bears are disagreeing by the bucketload, I will ask you this, if it was found out that Celtic were enticing players to their club and paying them illegal tax free payments and that these players would not have joined the club unless they were getting such high earnings, and we went on to win the European Cup before being found out with regards to the illegal payments would you lot give credence to our achievements as Champions League winners? VEGIEBHOY

Will they now look at all the titles won using the biscuit tin finance of the other half of Glasgow or is that ok as it was not the Rangers

That threadbare squad was the most expensive in spl, spearheaded by a 7.5 mill strikeforce (jela & laff) with edu 2.5, Davis 3, mc culloch 2 & Naismith 2mill behind them. L1888