Rangers Banter Archive February 28 2014

 

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28 Feb 2014 22:36:09
Fellow fans! Having a wee though on our esteemed board, firstly our chairman has someone cut his strings? Where is he and what is his precise role within the club? He appears to have disappeared and zipped his gub shut! Do we really need this type of guy allegedly leading our club. Now MR Wallace is a different kettle of fish, initially I had great hopes for this guy and his cv was impressive so everybody though the club had won a watch with the new CEO, yes? But his real colours have been shown recently and I think without doubt he is being manipulated from behind by either laxey, BPH or marghareta holdings! The "Mitchell's" contrary to much heralding within the media are NOT major shareholders (fact) and have only been given board positions because Chico gave them his proxy vote and wanted to control the board remotely he also gave them his option to purchase his penny shares so they are only helping Chico and Ahmed keep the home fires burning while they try and plunder the very last pieces of funding from the club.

Now back to Wallace? I am mystified as to why he selected a 120 day review? Under normal review criteria it would be either 30 or 90 days this would allow the club to give employees the necessary and statutory notice periods for any redundancy situation that may arise. Why then the additional 30 days? It does fall very near to the season ticket renewals and it goes without saying that is all the board are interested in, apart from paying Stockbridge his salary and borrowing 1.5m has Wallace actually achieved anything of note? His reputation is slowly eroding and he will find IF his lying about dave king is confirmed then he will be like the rest of the SPIVS and just another money grabber looking after his paymasters hiding good news and treating the fans like fools!

Your thoughts fellow fans

RR

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On the same line.
Does our CEO have any shares if not he is just a very well paid employee but the real question of who?
Refusing DK's offer looks like his real bosses have told him no.
This uncertanty will not go away untill all shareholders are commonly known
Dounebear

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Agree RR, too many statements that are clearly press releases saying nothing new.

false rumours, we are reviewing everything, no real decisions or cuts annonced.

its left to dubious bloggers to uncover meetings in london for loans where deeds are stumbling block, running out of ipo and existing credit facilities, which is denied, then new credit facilty announced,

too many aim statements about press comments? wtf.

if we still spending £700,000 per month then one day that will cause problem

wallace is not saying anything real and positive to counter speculation, not addresses any issues in detail

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Give the man a chance paul daniels could not sort the problems out quickly wait to see what his proposals are and what the accts show before any knee jerk reactions

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You forgot about the other invisible man, Norman Crighton. Four board members, Two comnpletely invisible (Crighton and Somers), an Easdale (but not the one who ever makes comments) and the formerly 'esteemed' Mr Wallace. Any company in toruble where I have ever operated gets a team in on a Monday and have an initial plan operating by the Friday. 120 days is just providing cover for the last of the money to vanish

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Lbj d- you buying the spin mate, new folks let's give a chance, more new blocks let's give a chance ad finituem.


and every day money bleeds out.

Administrators walked into DAFC and Heart FCs and BOOM - main team players walked that day - costs cut, bang!

How on earth does it take 120 days to figure out what's wrong, at £38k/day can we afford that?

once money runs out - there is no choice.

Every month there is directors meeting with trading (income, outgoings). directors go to jail if they trade illegally. ie when insolvent (more debts than cash in bank).

Real directors can't sleep if there is even possibility of doubts.

Its clear current board is kicking ball out of the park, in hope by time if comes back issues resolved.

attendences are falling, folks are giving up ST after years of loyalty. drip drip. we heading in wrong direction

where is the facts that say ship it turning round, yes Wallace is a solid person - but if he can't make any changes. 15% pay cut (sounds good - its not player cut). but nope that's non-starter.

one or two players slip out door. that's it? that saves the day?

Real men in charge make real choices. not seen any real move other than Stockbridge walk - and that was on cards for months.

Even then StockB out - other FD in. no cost saving. ?

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I don't buy anybodys spin including dave kings but common sense tells us to give time and wait for years accts become available any cuts must be announced to stock exchange along with viable plan to turn things round its not in anyones interest for the club to keep posting losses I expect this years results to be better than last years players wages are within the 30/35% which is a really good percentage unfortunetly some of the players are not as good as the%

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@5 well said sammy1974 the damage goes on every day costing the club a fortune? Wallace is another clone from the movie Groundhog Day, he has shown the fans nothing of note and his savings are abysmal so I don't think he will last very long with the shower running the show.

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@6 we gave whyte the chance, he failed to lodge accounts, said claims of us going bust were false. and boom put us into admin and this had been planned so long before on whytes first day in box, he had folks who guided the admin. 6 mths before.

now wallace. gets same chance, ( as those before him, green, mathers,, ), and we don't lodge accounts on due date, and we claim rumours are false.

there is only spin at the moment, we could have sold 3 players in window. that raises money and cuts costs. but we did not.

all we have is alley will reduce wages. but will he really. or is this other fudge where they say it goes down, and its paid later in full??

where are the substantial actions to save us from disater again.

feb was bad, march looks wowfull as more salaries, and april is imran judgement and maybe £500,000 payment and costs! what a risk

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28 Feb 2014 20:38:31
the clamber to bring d mcinnes needs to stand back a bit to see how he does over a longer period sure he had 2 wins over celtic but in both games they had a large slice of luck went to firhikk and got beaten I think he should be judged over a longer period besides I think there are other candidates out there let's not rush in

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With all due respect we've got a manager, his name is ally mccoist incase you've forgotten, if after 2 years back in the big league mccoist is unable to get close & challenge celtic then & only then will I consider that we need to change the manager at ibrox, it's not pretty football to watch just now I agree but if mccoist keeps winning the leagues until we get back into the scottish premiership then he's done his job, if we do eventually have to make a change in managers for me it has to be billy davies as the next rangers manager, his credentials puts derek mcinnes, terry butcher & stuart mccall to shame

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Op billy davies from notingforest would be first choise if I had a say in the matter

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Don't forget he failed in England miserably with Bristol I think, like all of these other flavour of the month type of managers (Coyle, Levien, Davies, etc)

Not for me - stick with Ally until he fails to secure the title.

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@1 unfortunately for some of us McCoist is the manager of our great club. But if you can be bothered could I ask you to list the Billy Davis credentials that put Derek McInnes and Stuart McColl's credentials to shame?
Sadly for some of us loyal bears who have watched McCoists teams over the last 2 and a half years of his management who do not rate him at all he is not going anywhere and will indeed be our manager in our return to the premier league just interested in why Billy Davies is so far ahead of McInnes in particular in your opinion?

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I agree lbj d. This merry-go-round of football managers is a joke. They win f*** all with one team the are sacked, paid large sums of money in compensation then emerge again somewhere else. I know I've mentioned Davies and Butcher before, but really, what have they achieved? Like in England, everybody raves about David Moyes but he hasn't won anything even before he went to Old Trafford! Perhaps stick with Ally to get us into the SPL again then be controversial and sign a new management team: RICHARD GOUGH and GRAHAM SOUNESS.

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If I have to watch allys team for a further 3years I will end up in a deep state of depression and crowds will be about 5000 the rest will have jumped of a viaduct somewhere get real

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Mols my friend I don't know what planet uour on because if I was you I'd check facys b4 spouting, BILLY DAVIES has done it in england with every club he's managed, check it out, wee Billy is by no means just a flavour of the month, far from it, honestly I'll need to start taking a fee to educate some of you people!

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Are you ready op 4, billy davies has been a massive success in a very hard english championship, ie he's taken preston, derby, nottingham forest x2 to play offs which I'm sure you'll agree is very good going, in fact he took derby up to the premiership, he keeps taking every club he manages into the play offs each time in what is a helluva difficult league, now on to derek mcinnes, terry butcher & stuart mccall, mcinnes a total failure with bristol citu if truth be told, butcher a massive failure at coventry, sunderland& brentford, now stuart mccall who was a failure at bradford city, so my good friend that's why billy davies is streets ahead of them, I hope that answers your question

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Well in big ram I was saying bd because of the two play offs with notgorist and ime sure I read he would love the rangers job your post backed me up and I've always said on here am should move upstairs if we win championship

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BIG RAM, you are clearly a big Billy Davies fan and personally have nothing against the guy and a possible shout should McCoist ultimately fail. The list you make of getting these various clubs to play offs then ultimately not making it is failure in my book. If he was the manager he is being promoted as, he would be managing at a higher level. When he parted company with Forest I don't recall a queue forming for his services. Some day I may be and would be happy to be proved wrong on this.

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Mols, what I'm saying if you would study my posts on billy davies is that he's managing in the english championship in what is in my opinion is a very good, hard league & of a better standard than our own top league the scottish premiership, davies has done tremendously well in a very good league and he IS quite simply a better option & a far better manager than derek mcinnes, terry butcher & stuart mccall, that's what I'm saying, that's for another day if mccoist was to vacate our manager's job, as I've also said if you care to read my posts carefully, I'm fully behind our manager ally mccoist & will fully judge him when we get back in the big league, I hope that answers your question buddy, take care!

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The only thing with billy davis if I remember correctly he had a bit of a history in his personal life I think that's why he was passed over for some of the better jobs

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28 Feb 2014 19:01:11
McCoist: "Talk football to me" I don't know about the rest of you but this made me feel physically sick, after backing every single spiv through the door, signing 12 players while staff are made redundant etc etc, when it comes time for Super Ally to actually say something yet again he plays the football card! "football" I take it means the dross he serves up playing internationals against plumbers.

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Sb he is probably feart to tell us to back dave king as that would be how many now he has asked us to back lol

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Think of it this way, Ally when asked about a CEO has always backed them, and yet he abstains this time.

I think we can assume when a commentator says no comment, he means no but can't say it.

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OP I agree. Ed if I suddenly disappear it will be because I can no longer be remotely civilized or balanced in my posts on our manager. My dislike of him borders on the irrational at times and is heightened by the "Ibrox Establishment" of the Dave King's the Murrays, Walter Smith and the wee blogger Chris somebody or other of the Rangers Standard who criticized those who criticize McCoist- how very dare we?
I honestly started from a position of not thinking he was the correct choice to a current position of complete hostility to the man and all his blabberings and bewildering selections and tactics.
The super ally men are also now getting richt up my beak so I will say adieu and wish you and your posters good luck.
I have enjoyed my time on here but Mr Angry is taking over- time to go.

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One consilation as every week that passes allys suppoerters get lessand less

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28 Feb 2014 15:55:29
Alan hutton has just signed for bolton wanderers on loan until only the 29th of march, this in my calculation is for only one month, this is a very strange deal in my opinion, it might be that bolton can only afford to pay some of hutton's wages for the one month as we all know in any loan deal as in this case villa & bolton have to agree on what fraction each will pay during the loan deal, I do know that hutton is on a staggering 40k a week at villa, hutton most definitely needs to be playing games so he can keep hold of his place in the scotland team, but surely his loan deal needed to be longer than one month, I would have thought at the very least until the end of the season

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One month loan deals happen all the time in England, usually get extended, if player is doing good

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How can it be extended if this is the last week you can sign a loan deal?

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Yes sweep obv not when the window is closed

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So your 1st reply makes no sense then Johncass, because even if he had a great month he couldn't sign for longer because the window is closed.

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Ide imagine the one month deal could be extended even when window closes probably small print on first monthly contract

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Of course it makes sense, read it again, one month loan deals happen all the time in England, they USUALLY get extended, at no point did I say it will get extended.

Sorry about my post last night ed, was a long day.

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28 Feb 2014 16:52:08
So yet again our esteemed manager proves himself a chicken. he had no problem commenting a month or so ago when king was talking about investing millions, or about ahmed's trial. ask him anything about his employers, and it's a no comment, and before all the lovers come on, I would point out alex mcleish and jimmy calderwood both stood up for their principles and spoke out and left their respective clubs.

mccoist knows the board and backers can't sack him, as they can't financially afford it.

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Listen my friend you don't like ally simple as that, for the record I actually think ally did the right thing in wanting to talk about football & he should have done this a while ago, mccoist's job at rangers is a football manager, that's his job, if you don't rate him as a football manager that's fine because that's your opinion & what you should judge him on but to call the guy the rangers manager a chicken bang out of order mate & that's my opinion, sometimes with some of you mccoist just can't win enjoy the rest of your evening!

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Spot on BR, your comments are 100% correct. I do not think he is the man for the job but that is totally in a football sense.
In the past he made comment on every subject and left himself vulnerable to criticism. Maybe he has learned to stick to the footballing side and we should judge him accordingly.

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Thats right I thnk he is a terrible manager but should not be called chicken hearted the same as g wallace should not be called a liar

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Absolutely no BS, Ally will not in anyway say anything that may affect his income, does not have the bal. s to hang his hat in any camp, similar to shares voting issue, ally on the fence, grow some.

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I agree with above posts regarding ally but op how do you know the loan was not to pay ally off he is employed as manager and I bet he wishes he had only spoke of things managers speak of from the begining ie the team

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@1, you're right, I don't like him as a manager. he has the worst record ever in a rangers manager, his style of play can be bettered by most school teams, and he has no plan b. mccoist should stick to talking football, but if you look back, you'll find that's not the case.

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28 Feb 2014 12:59:17
The debate as to how good this Rangers team is goes on, but we should remember we lost an entire team of internationalists when things went down the pan, some of whom are playing in the English Premiership (Jelavic, Whittaker, Davis, Naismith). No team can lose that calibre of player and remain at the level as before. Rangers have won 24 out of 26 league games, drawing the other two. We are in the last 8 of the Scottish Cup and are in the Ramsdens Cup final. The only glitch so far was the shock defeat to Forfar right at the start of the season when 8 players couldn't play because of the transfer embargo rules. Rangers can only beat what is put in front of them. The first real test will be if we get through to the Scottish Cup semi finals when we are bound to meet a team from the SPL.
I've said before on here that Ally MUST play a few of the very good youngsters we have on the books. Get Barry Mackay back from loan. Is Lewis McLeod fit again? Play Crawford, Hutton (when fit) and Aird and recall MacAusland too. The Championship will be tough next year with Hearts and possibly and two from Dundee, Hamilton and Falkirk, but we should still be good enough to win by 10 points or more. If King does come in with cash we'll need it to buy some experience for the return to the SPL. Let's see how many trophies we have come May and hope that the club is still solvent!

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Great post I've been saying this for ages on here

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Doiger the results tell one story and totally back up your position. The performances and the steadily diminishing crowds at Ibrox tell another story. We can moan all we like on here but I think Mr McCoist is here for the duration, Good news for the super ally fans bad news for the rest of us and any football purists

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Regular reader - seldom poster - so please bear with me!

DOIGER - you say we will need to buy some experience next season - sorry - I thought that was already there. Bell; Wallace; Black; Law; Daly; Shiels; Templeton.

Nbear2 - Celtic are experiencing the same situation regarding attendance levels. is one as bad as the other or does one NEED the other more than anything?

Final - general comment - on the Dave King Circus. yes, he put £20 million into the club and wants to invest more - WHY? No disrespect, but please don't think DK is the saviour - he is looking for the best possible deal to recoup his earlier losses.

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It is impossible to assess the players under McCoist.

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Jgsf correct dave king is only there for dave king

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Op face the truth as a football team we are totally we are terrible end of story

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Dear spiv for once we agree he must go in rotten weather sitting watching the games u question your sanity because its total mince he has suceeded in making some promising young players to go back the way

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28 Feb 2014 12:28:54
Right get the part its no a boycott D Kings suggesting, its just instead of giving the club your ST money, give it to me and I`ll have all the power without having to put my hand in my pockets like McColl and murray wanted.
only this time how the feck do the fans who sign up to the scheme get into the game.
IF 20, ooo sign up is he going to buy this amount of tickets for every home game and then post them out. (expensive)
Cant see the club sending you a season book because D King says you have joined his scheme.
IMO D King wants to divide fans opinion and bring admin that bit closer.

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Good post bluebeard he wants to play poker with the huge potential wad of cash but I think you are correct the physical mechanics of it all has probably not been thought through

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All this stuff is silly but true I can't see Mr king paying for any bear to be admitted through the turn style at blue heaving on match day. but. I done see any logic in him havein anyones st money in his own pocket why would the man do this?if true he offered the club an interest free loan which was rejected by a board that then embarrass the club by getting a crisis loan of 1.5 million pounds with the interest of about 100. 000 pound or more. to tell my fellow bears the truth being a bear right now is brain damage. but I was born rangers and ill die rangers

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DK is not daft, he knows this stand off will never get near the first match next season, he knows the club needs the SB funds to pay bills in May, June and July.
He is hoping the Board will negotiate now not later, later means administration and that doesn't suit either party. If RIFC choose to be just a property company then it is better to do it without going into administration.
If enough fans support DK the shareholders will weigh up their options and may decide to become simple landlords, leave the football to new owners.
The new owners must then find new investment to cover next years losses, losses that have just got bigger with a rent now on top of the bills.
There is no easy solution here, getting rid of the shareholders is not an option, they will keep the assets.

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Say 40% of fans put their ST money in pot with king as their spokeman.

He then has £4m stick to negicoate with, and says I will release this in 4 traunces. not in single block.

Board can say GTF. or agree terms.

if king gets majority of ST money - then has ability to get STs as normal - but paid in installments.

cant see this as being hard.

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Dave King gives the board all the money secured by deeds to ibrox and murray park.

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Inverbear our old enemy got variety of loans on their assets at 1. 5%

We could get small loan at 8% easily against ibrox and mp - but we ONLY GOT 30% loan on asset without any claims against them.

Whyte put claim on ibrox/mp and until that's resolved it limits our finance options.

Green and Whyte still fighting and we in the middle.

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I think you may find the assets have already been secured by RIFC for their 17 million pound loan to TRFC.

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Steerpike- unsure how administration wouldn't suit DK, who at present has nothing to lose, but every thing to gain if the club runs out of money again.
As you say the guys no daft and knows ST money alone will only service the clubs bills for part of next season, plus given the fact there`s still the crisis loan to be repaid any future investments would just be swallowed up servicing these debts.
he would also see 25pts deduction as the better option this season, rather than gamble of maybe seeing
out the championship where points will be harder to come by.
HE knows admin is inevitable therefore if he gets the fans ST money it gives him the financial muscle he and his ego craves to lord it over the board.
his intention is starve them of funds and put the club into admin sooner than later.
fresh start next season, him in charge and another Ipo
bringing in new investment.

If only carlsberg did admins!

bluebeard

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Rumours we have pre-admin meeting monday. usual source!

if this true then if king has £4-5m in ST plegdes he has major. stake to buy club from admin.

in two years old firm back in top league and both debt-free, then using cl money bonanza and us by admins

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Bluebeard,

I agree, taking over a loss making football club with no assets is simple, not sure it is the best strategy I have ever heard.
Until I actually see some accounts evidence, administration is an urban myth, one promoted by people with a vested interest.

Wait on the interim accounts is my best advice, don't listen to me or anyone else, look at the figures and make a judgement.

This is a huge decision, nobody should take it lightly or be railroaded, make your own mind up after you see some evidence.

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Expected a post from "GEORGE" by now saying: he has information relating to D Kings meeting with the easydeals and co, and its part 33 of the long firm con. and that he can`t say to much as he fears he may be silenced.

"scary thought" Or has he already been silenced!

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28 Feb 2014 09:40:28
So were does the fans backing of Dave king leave ally? Only weeks ago he backed Wallace, surely ally won't go back on his word? It's not like he's done this before.

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Wether ally goes back on hi word will depend on who he thinks his next boss will be because up till now he backed everyone starting with whyte right through to g wallace an if he thinks king will win he will change to him like dirty dozen with the armbands all change

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I think that King wants Ally as manager so I can't see that being an issue. It's the one thing that puts me off King and even if he does bank roll Ally he won't win the top league

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28 Feb 2014 10:57:56
Dave King is determined to stop Celtic winning league after league until 10 in a row is achieved.

Dave King is like most successful businessmen a pragmatist and will have known for some time that Ally isn't the best manager to stop this happening and would have to rely far more on a very large cheque book rather than any managerial skills to ever have any chance of achieving this aim.

So, for me, Dave King will look for better value for money and lure a McInnes, McColl or Butcher style manager with a track record and tactical brain to Ibrox.

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28 Feb 2014 12:25:18
Ive been praying for Dk return for yrs now. He is the man who handed our club his cash. The one who told us all not to trust that googleyed dog. along with Mr Johnston. who i'd also love to return. These guys wil bring back Mr Grieg to his rightful place at Ibrox park. I don't have much confidence in GW now after having to tap 1.5m. ridiculous for a club of our size. And the very fact he didn't borrow fae the fans. or the sleazedales or more importantly dave king is very worrying indeed. Why has wallace left himself open to such accusations? And where has the chairman gone? Not a murmur from him. I can't even remember his name now! sir minty emptied our club into the rubbish. We wil never forget that. A RAT
tomblue

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Q wallace does not own club he works on behalf of shareholders and takes instructions from the board of directors he cannot make decisions to take money without board approval get real until we see accts we can't make comment it pains me to hear so called supporters beratemr wallace before he has not had enough time to turn things round look at the length time ally has been there and now we are going backwards on the pitch wallace will have to firefight every day so give the man a chance please

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This is getting a habit buddy but again I can't argue with & totally agree with your points tomblue, dk is one of us and although I do rate graham wallace I don't at this particular moment & time know what the hell our so called chairman david somers is doing, I like you tomblue want john greig brought back & I also rate our ex chairman alistair johnston very highly, they've all got one massive thing in common my friend, they're all proper rangers men who will always put rangers first, they are like you & I my friend, rangers to the core who would never do anything to hurt the club we love, GLASGOW RANGERS AYE READY!

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Sweep1 Dave King stated he like ALL rangers supporters are fully behind Ally McCoist. Some of us who still go to Ibrox and some of us on-line who do not agree with DK's statement ALL wanted MrMcCoist to be a success and thought it was a complete no brainer that with the best youth development facility in Scotland a new approach of developing our own young talent was the obvious and only way forward given me went bust with the previous cheque book management.
Ally didn't agree and although you cannot argue with the results the performances are seeing attendances diminish week on week.
Although I want Ally to be a success because he manages the team I have watched at Ibrox and further afield for 50 years I do not enjoy his end product on the pitch.
I do not think he should have got the job in the first place and that opinion has been reinforced by his teams performances over the last 2 and a half years.
And I am no less of a supporter of the Gers than the characters who support him and keep telling us how they are the true supporters.
If he changes things around and starts really giving our young players a chance then I will be delighted and agree scouts should be appointed to bring in youths.
Currently no McCoist will only go for experienced pros. NB Cribari instead of Gasparatto. And there is no point in adding more expense for scouts if Ally is already looking for the next Peralta and Cribari instead of an Andy Robertson.
And those who cannot see that are optically challenged in the extreme IMO

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Ally mccoist is going no were regardless of what board are in charge next season.

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I'll think you or Dave king will find not ALL rangers fans are behind ally, I know half a bus of regulars not renewing next season because of ally.

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@ sweep1 agreed I know absolutely no bear who actually supports McCoist until they get to Ibrox or post their Super Ally stuff on line here. But the point is the Dave King's and the Murrays seem to support him so those of us who want a change of management will be disappointed whoever is in charge. He is a big threat to the current board because his tactics and selections are emptying the stadium thus reducing the income the club receives but the establishment and other heids in the sand fans want him to stay- were effn stuck with him

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@All

Chaps, I had the pleasure to speak with Alistair Johnstone some years ago, in Glasgow at a function. He told the story of how he was Golfing in a Pro Am in Hawaii. After the round he foned David Murray, of course it was night time here and SDM was in his jammies. Alistair was with Mark MCormack`s Sports Management Group at the time, brokering sponsorship deals for Arnold Palmer and Big Jack Nicklaus. Alistair said to a rather bleary eyed Murray that he had someone with him who wanted to invest millions in Rangers, "Who?" said David Murray "My Caddie" came the reply, to which DM responded "Alistair, have you been drinking?".

Now, of course, the caddie in question was Dave King - not to big to carry a Pals Golf Bag in a Pro Am, Loved Rangers enough to invest 20m and still wants to invest more (and before you start with the "But the SA Tax authorities wrote 15m off his tax bill as it considered it a loss" - don't bother, he still put the money in)

Dave understands that the time for investment is NOW, when a Football Club like Glasgow Rangers have to go for a short term loan, at high interest rates, for 1.5m pounds - a sum just over 1 months wages for Wayne Rooney - its a BLUE FLASHING LIGHT! - and its embarrasing.

The choice is ours

1. End up in Admin 2, with a crumbling Stadium, owned by a Bus and Taxi firm with 15,000 crowds?

2. Get a Rangers man in with nouse, connections, but more importantly a Plan - and someone who won't have to go to the Pay Day Loan shop to see Rangers through to the end of the month!

Dave King will bring the Rangers Supporting Business Community together - and that's the reason Rangers supporters should listen and back him. because no real succesful Business people will deal with The Easedales,

Back Mr King, at lease we know he's not in it for money - but for Rangers and Rangers supporters everywhere.

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Ayrbear good opinion, but already our fans base split, people looking to undermine king, so fear worst.

cant see fans uniting, so expect splits

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