Rangers Banter Archive February 28 2013
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28 Feb 2013 22:03:08
Well chaps bring on UEFA Sanctions now because of all these "seemingly" closed issues, no trophies relinguished and a hefty fine that no one knows who is to be accountable for - but being associated with the Old Co seems to be when it suits and forgotten about when it suits - As "It wisnae us!". Nice to see Mr Murray has awoken like his hibernating tortoise to give a wee rumble, back to ripping people off now David! VERY ANGRY BEAR AND PLEASE SHOW THIS ED!
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Celtic Fan here
Its time a line was drawn under it all, its dragged on its shamed Scottish Football, its shown that those who are suppose to govern the game are F**king clueless. No one can say they never saw this coming at the SPL & SFA, they knew Whyte was a chancer and they could have drawn up plans before admin last year to deal with this happening.
Lastly bears stop blaming us I don't think the powers at Parkhead would want rid of you as the Old Firm was a big money spinner, there is more to this whole affair than us the punters will ever know. I hope you can get back up soon but I am still wary of CG, yes he has the Puma deal, but how does it pan out and where is the money going, hopefully investment in the club.
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Why would uefa get involved. The spl got a non-biased independant panel with legal experts to review its rules and apply them accordingly.
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Yes, but they wanted to take 5 titles away, before any enquiry, guilty until proven innocent. AGAIN!
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We were found guilty of an administration mishap, cheating maybe, but no more cheating than a player delibrately fouling an opponent.
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UEFA is NOT interested in a legal only opinion, its interested in running football as a sport - with level playing field - to make entertainment - to sell bums on seats and advertising.
3 years accounts, and no financial mis-management or UEFA come down like a tonne of bricks - if EBT illegal UEFA will punish those who used it.
Rangers found guilty on 4 counts by SPL independant council - will SPL and SFA agree with guilty and punishments or will it apply differnent thinking.
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28 Feb 2013 22:01:05
Here we are, more than a year later after the s. t hit the fan and we have been found not guilty of tax evasion and have been found not guilty of gaining an advantage, there has been no cheating.
I have been a huge critic of Sir DM and how he left us. He clearly made a huge error in selling to Whyte and I think it is sure that he was backed into a corner by Lloyds. They were clearly running scared of the outcome of the big tax case.
However he was correct, we did little wrong, sure there were things that should have been declared that we're not, but the fact is that had no advantage was gained. I am sure he is a relieved man tonight.
However despite these victories we find ourselves being in div three, because liquidation happened, and that is down to one man, Craig Whyte. One major question has to be answered, where did the money go?
When he took over it was reported as there being £3.5m in the bank. He borrowed £25m from Ticketus and £18m was used to pay Lloyds. Therefore he should have £10.5m left. Two weeks after taking over he took in £12m in season ticket sales. That is £22.5m, he then sold Jelavic for £5.5m. I know he didn't get all that up front and I don't know how the system works but would imagine that half was paid up front. So that is £25m. They then had European money from the last year, thn income from strips, home gates etc.
I believe he paid Ticketus £5m, so at least £20m.
How can in 9 months they go through £20m? They also had net profit in transfers, they also had match day income etc. it is not possible for this money to be spent in 9 months.
This man (struggle to call him that), bought us with one aim, he bought us for £1, he wanted admin as quickly as possible, so he could bump Ticketus, and the BTC was to be held in October, that was his chance to put us into admin, he would then buy assets from Duff and Phelps at a knockdown price and then sell for a fortune. The BTC was delayed, and he thought how do I get my goal, s o he stopped paying HMRC.
There was his big error. He should have screwed Scottish Power or somebody else and let them pull the plug. He also did not realise how much abuse he would get, he underestimated how big we are.
So where is the money?
However this has left me with a real feeling that we should never have been in administration let alone liquidation. Whyte's actions plus the BTC hanging over our head caused these problems. I even believe that when Green offered a CVA, HMRC refused because they also thought they would win the BTC. If this had not been hanging over our head the CVA would have been accepted. It turns out we won the BTC.
Whyte, BTC, rumour, tax experts, tv programmes, journalists ( who take their "facts" from dodgy web sites), a few fans from smaller clubs who saw a chance to beat us (couldn't do it on the park, so this produced the perfect chance), sanctimonious chairmen. They are guilty, and we the fans suffer.
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OP - if you are going to make a sensible post like that at least leave a non de plume
JG
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Agreed, Celtic fan here for the record. Rangers have certainly been hard done to. Based on the decisions of the FTT and the Nimmo panel I do not believe Rangers should have went into admin never mind liquidation. There has been a lot of friendly and not so smart or friendly banter on here but any fair minded person who takes a look at what has happened can only conclude Rangers should still be in the SPL today.
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28 Feb 2013 21:38:20
To all my fellow bears---- We took our punishment, that was applied rightly or wrongly, so let us move on with the dignity we have shown to date. Even Mr Green has pulled his neck in and we should push forward to regain our rightful position in British football. I emphasize British, as I fear for the future of the Scottish game, while the current bodies are in charge. Other spl chairmen should sit back and reflect on their lust for our heads, and check their cash flow. An audit on the spl would also make interesting reading, so maybe they will also learn to think before making decisions that have not been thought through. A final word for Murray '' We got through this without you, so look after your own interests as we don't need you. ''
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As a celtic fan I hope we can now get back to football banter. yes we celts have a had laugh at all the goings on but some of it is just getting pathetic let's get back to annoying eachother over the motherwell/st miirren/ stirling dundee utd ect results and and the your team are worse than us mentality
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@1 = I admire your sentiments but have a look on your ''banter'' page and tell me seriously if we are going to have a laugh together any time soon,
i have supported rangers for 40 years but what has been directed toward rangers over the last year has ranked up there with the worst I have experienced in all my time going to games through the 70s 80s 90s and 00s
JG
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28 Feb 2013 20:38:46
Evening bears just read the SPL statement were it states that Rangers were found guilty of breaking SPL rules over a period of 11years.
I think they are no very bright, what does that say about them it took them 11years to find it out, honestly you could not make this up.
I aso broke the habit of a lifetime and went over for a look on the Celtic banter site. The froth is blinding, one guy said he will not be renewing his season ticket because he has been cheated for 11years and to day proves it. I would love to know the logic behind the taking away of titles fervour.
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So it's the SPL's fault for not finding out. And you say other people are unreal. {The Ed039's Note - Find out? The SPL and SFA knew of this scheme for years, it was produced in audited accounts, what did they do then? I'll tell you what, nothing, seems that everybody except the beaks knew these schemes were in operation, thats how inept they actually are no amount of covering up is going to make that go away)
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It really is astonishing the sheer hatred shown by today, s decision by some Celtic supporters, the best legal heads in the land were appointed to give its verdict on a case brought to them by the SPL and their solicitors, same ones Celtic use, and yet the decision is met as incorrect and possibly corrupt, again not the result you wanted to hear but the love of their own club is lost in the hatred for ours.
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28 Feb 2013 18:19:41
Neil Doncastor refusing to talk to STV, aha ha ha ha ha ha feckin shambles.
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Can't believe David Murray is out speaking, got a cheek, where was this guy for nearly 2 years?
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Doncaster is finished. Nimmo has already shown his SPL lawyers to be incompetent by highlighting that they don't even understand their own rules - and they have accepted Nimmo is correct. The people who have been pursuing this title stripping fiasco should now be held accountable - starting with Doncaster.
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That man put money into rangers that made 9 in a row for us {The Ed039's Note - The whole point is, he didnt put his own money in, he borrowed every penny)
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@3, you my friend are clueless
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Murray has always been the same throughout his tenure at Rangers he pick and chose his times to speak out. He let Rangers get kicked from pillar to post and said nothing but it was a different story when someone challenged him
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@3 are you trying to tell me your happy at the way Murray has conducted himself over the last few years?
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#3 David Murray took a lot more money out of the club than he ever put in. He does have a cheek speaking out and while I'm at it Campbell Ogilvie really should now resign for putting us in this position along with Murray.
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How dare a business man make money from his business!
we enjoyed watching world class players week in week out for years and winning title after title. We went from £60m in debt to £18m in debt in a few years whilst Murray was being pressured by Lloyds. then HMRC came along and threatened us with a potential £50 tax bill. Lloyds got wind of this and demanded their money immediately. I blame no one but HMRC and Craig Whyte for the trouble we have been through in the past year
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Murray over leveraged our club, end of.
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Doncaster, regan. all the cronies. should be sacked. what have they brought to our game. any new talent? league reconstruction shambles, new facilities, still waiting. rangers shambles. sacked
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28 Feb 2013 17:53:51
hey guys just a couple quick questions?
How long is the Greeks contract? (by far one of the worst players rangers have ever signed!)
Cribaris contract?
Faures Contract
Sandazas contract
The reason I ask is I believe the only way the club can move forward is to get rid of these wage thiefs and start again by bringing in the necessary quality to move us up through the divisons whilst at least attempting to challenge for the cups
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Your right these players have been woeful and it's hard to understand how they could have passed a trial. Better players on less wages should have been signed instead. Would rather have seem Marvin Andrews back than Cribari. This all comes down to the managers judgement and that is why he should go
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The players you mention have been part of the team that have all but sealed promotion. That's what they were brought in to do so it's job done. I'm afraid it's going to be another season or 2 of ugly football but if the leauge I won fans can't really complain.
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@2 sorry but I don't buy that line about 2 more years of ugly football. Why should it be like that? Rangers have signed SPL players and paid big wages to seal promotion from the bottom rung of Scottish football. They are up against part time players and the have struggled in more than half the games. It's a sad sad day when we have sunk so low that some fans are satisfied with what's being produced
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My ugly football comment was regarding the opposition that rangers are playing against. These teams don't have players with great technical ability, they relly on hat work an endevour getting stuck in. If you've ever played football it's very difficult to get the ball down and play nice football when the other teams tactic is the old up and over turn the defence and close down. Ends up both teams doing the same.
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To post 1. absoulte nonsense mate, down to the managers judgement don't make me laugh, ally had 6 players turn up for pre season training he had less than a month to get players in the door for a stint of 1 and a half seasons he had no choice he had to take the best of the dross put infront of him, *ksd*
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@5 so what u r saying is that Rangers couldn't have signed any players from teams like Dundermline, Partick th & QOS and instead signed foreign duds. What rubbish! There are plenty of players in these divisions that are used to playing in Scotland and would have cost much less in wages. The example of Andrews is a good one. Better player than Cribari, used to playing in Scottish football and cheaper. Only a fool would disagree
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28 Feb 2013 17:27:48
As a celtic fan I'm glad this whole saga is over since feb 14th 2012 it's been none stop.
Few things flagging up, SFA have a lot to answer for. Really like its a kangaroo court at Hamden. If they appeal it I really think it will just look worse on them, not going to read nimmo statement but saw the brief quotes from its which is enough.
Key things: its a fine £250,000 for oldco? How does that work? TRIFC & RFC are not the same team so that puts that to a end. Nimmo finds oldco guilty and out of 18 possible out comes it goes to a fine
It's basically it's a draw
Tbh I can't see anyone from the SFA leave or be sacked for this shambollock of a case more so the division 1 route
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Why should anyone from the sfa get sacked when it was the spl?
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Over my back side. Sue the SPL. They pushed for the league titles to be stripped when in Lord Nimmo, s outcome he basically stated that the SPL do not know there own rules.
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The fine is irrelevant as the time has passed for anyone to make a claim against the old company. So all that money spent on a witch hunt has been wasted. Only in Scottish football would this happen
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Well lenny you should read it he say the old company which ran and operated the club and the new company which now runs and operates the club that means SAME CLUB NEW COMPANY THAT RUNS THE CLUB
trueblue
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@4 that was never an arguement anyway.
Always been known as the same club, by every organisation that matters. Only the deluded and blog readers dreamed it otherwise.
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OP the chairmen of Celtic, Hibs, Dundee Utd and N. Doncaster wanted title stripping, they got a fine as the decision, that's not a draw, that's a skelping for those three spl board members and executive.
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This commission or whatever you call it was in trouble as soon as Gers won the big tax case. As basically everyone else in Scottish football prejudged the verdict and assumed guilt they thought they'd have an easy job and a mandate to strip titles because gers "cheating" had given competitive advantage. As this was proven no to be the case gers only crimes are in essence procedural infringements no worth even talking about thus the tokenistic gesture of fining the liquidated oldco a sum that shall never be recovered. No effect on RFC going forward. Justice done.
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Lenny - we can all read between the lines and we hereby accept your apology,
tell briggs, timalloy and all, we now await there's as well, all in the name of the banter
heres how it works mate, the SPL held back 900k from the same company they have now fined 250k for an infringment of the rules,
JG
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Can I just point out that a football club cannot be liquidated. Only the company tht owns the club can be liquidated. Therefore, this new club argument is pointless at best. And according to the powers tht be in UEFA and FIFA, Rangers are still Rangers. All that's different is the league they play in.
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28 Feb 2013 17:08:51
Rangers announce 5-year deal with Puma (source everywhere)
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28 Feb 2013 16:40:39
a web sitesound pundit Tom English
"SPL commission, previously derided as a kangaroo court by Rangers fans is now declared a paragon of justice by the jubilant Bears.
this might be true
but what Mr English forgets to mention is that up until today Lord Nimmo and his colleagues where above reproach and declared a paragon of justice by celtic fans now because the verdict didn't go in their favor ie stripping of titles lord Nimmo and his cronies are nothing but corrupt masons
Get over it
5 and counting
Lochaber Bear
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I will discuss it with lord nimmo at next months meeting lol doug t. s. o
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Tom english graham speirs are nothing but rangers haters who are really sick tonight no advantage during ebt years get used to that statement you losers
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Rangers were found guilty on 4 counts of rule breeches. Whatever way it's looked at players payments were withheld deliberately. Why? Administration error yeh right. Funny how it was only the players with side letters. Anyway a chuck says its time to move on. Scottish footballs reputation has been almost distroyed, can it recover? Who knows. After today's decision one thing is clear, one single body has to be responsible for scottish football. All parties including rangers need to get round the table and sort out the mess before its too late. Or maybe it already is.
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@1 I will second that doug
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28 Feb 2013 16:39:55
Hey Ed I informed this forum around about a month a go saying that a youngster at the club told me he'd seen a puma designed Rangers strip hanging in the office. And alas I was correct all a long! Puma Kit to be used from start of 2013/2014 (Source: Rangers Website). don't fault my source haha!
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Saw picture of it. Oops but back to the drawing board please. don't like the Lion trademark.
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@1 its a puma not a lion! mark.
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Where did you see a picture of it?
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@2 it a giant Lion water mark. Sorry but it looks awful.
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28 Feb 2013 16:22:14
the celtic are going nuts they are just like a kid in a sweety shop being told no and all they can say is you are a new club but the whole world knows that's not true 54 and counting you can't catch us
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I'm a celtic fan and I hate to admit it your right. This lust for rangers to be finished completely is quite embarrassing. Wish they would let you get on with rebuilding. It's went beyond banter and seams the hatred for rangers is more than the love for celtic. Starting off in the 3rd division should have been enough but it would appear not.
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@1well said first desent thing said from a celtic fan
trueblue
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@1 - do you think that lust has not had an influence on the rangers supporters and there may be some show of defiance in response to the attitudes that have been shown against us, I had a fear that there would have been a backlash against the hatred directed towards us but thankfully it has been very limited
put the shoe on the other foot for and take a minute to think about it
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28 Feb 2013 16:22:09
What a day bears, kept our tittles and we've signed a shirt deal with puma for 5 year WATP!
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28 Feb 2013 15:38:02
So was that a good job by Harper MacLeod (aka Celtic's lawyers)or not? Banter remember.
Paddy Malarkey
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Should have used Murdo MacLeod
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Great job! Just took £400k out of the already skint SPL. Maybe Liewell will dip into his own pocket and reimburse them. He will still be vomiting as we speak
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28 Feb 2013 15:34:58
its magic you know going to be 55 in a row lol doug t. s. o
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Not exactly in a row doug! com on youve been around to celebrate all 54 lol. mark. {The Ed039's Note - Doug celebrated the original thanksgiving)
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Ah, the expected response from doug. In a row though?
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Well not in a row but it sounds better couldn't think of any other words i'm so happy today I could eat a raw onion lol doug t. s. o
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Its magic you know going to be 55 in a non consecutive sequence of title wins since the creation of the Scottish football leagues till now.
Still has a lovely ring to it.
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25 Feb 2013 09:44:24
hi ed, can you tell us, ar we owed any money which is still outstanding to us, from any clubs or bodies, I know the sfa have held back prize money from last year, just wondering if anybody else does and how much! {The Ed039's Note - Any prize money or transfer fees owing to oldco will be pulled in by BDO and will go to the creditors pot, although its not an easy job for them, ie Jelavic has a 15% sell on clause, but this might be negotiated to a set fee, but none of these monies would go to newco)
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Are you for real? they just got fined 250,000 and owe millions all over the place.
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28 Feb 2013 15:26:38
Now everything is cleared up. let's get back to stories regarding the team and "rumours" about who we've heard or who we think should come or go?!? We are NOT GUILTY, proven! there's no need to keep debating on this website. WE ARE THE PEOPLE!
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Not guilty but still fined? Surely a fine implies guilt? {The Ed039's Note - It does imply guilt, but not of the charges that you are thinking of)
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The oldco were found GUILTY of breaking SPL regulations and fined a massive £250k. What planet are u on mate?
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Not guilty. ? that's why there is fine?
SPL spent £400,000 to find a way out.
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Ok I will start, get rid of cribari, black, sandaza and Kyle for starters.
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The post is correct and we should move on. However, with the number of disagrees the east end boys will only do so, kicking and screaming. You only win titles, or even European ties on the pitch and not by appeals and protests.
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28 Feb 2013 17:08:07
Read the thing, we have been proven to be guilty. don't listen to Greens smokescreens.
The commission found that those arrangements - which were required to be disclosed under the rules of the SPL and the Scottish Football Association - were not disclosed to the football authorities.
The commission statement read: "Although the payments in this case were not themselves irregular and were not in breach of SPL or SFA Rules, the scale and extent of the proven contraventions of the disclosure rules require a substantial penalty to be imposed.
Hence a fine. you don't get FINED for being innocent.
Dont give the people who say we have our heads in the sand all the time think we are all so bllody moronic. its done and dusted,, fined let's just get on with it. GOD we never learn
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No you ARE GUILTY of something otherwise there would be no fine
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Quite right were 54 and counting hope Celtic fansenjoyed the news today
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@4 All apart from Black, he may improve with better players around him. NO SIGNINGS OVER 25! Please :) CheltBlue
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We where found guilty of admin error nothing else certanly not of cheating. mark.
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N6 not in breach of spl nor sfa rules the fine was to save face and maybe to stop a lot of people from being sued cheers
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28 Feb 2013 15:02:18
There have been a lot of posts on here Re Ally and his abilities as a manager with a number of points being made to back the argument that he should go as he has just not got it.
Now I know stats are not everything however there is a commonly used one by tv when looking at Managers and that is their win ratio so just to put it out there here we go Ally has a league win ratio of 73% and NL has a league win rate of 65% and before the old wages argument is trotted out about the Gers paying sphell wages against plumbers it must be said firstly you can only play what is in front of you and secondly what is Celtics wage bill compared to say high flying Ross County or The Inverness millionaires that are Caley Thistle or even that cash rich club they call Kilmarnock?
Any way time to move on and claim title number 55 WATP
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I agree, partly, in your post but the main argument against Ally and his staff is the lack of tactical ability and total negativity shown by the team.
Also there is no ability to adapt when things are going wrong. The nucleus is there to have a good team, but I think, we do not have the staff to make this happen.
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What a pathetic excuse your putting forward for your manager. So as long as he's got a better win ratio than Neil Lennon everything's hunky dory. Why do you compare him to Neil Lennon why not compare him to say Allan Johntone who manages the millionaires of QOS who have hardly lost a game this season including The Ramsden Cup. Also didn't the " millionaires " of ICT come down Govan way and hand out a football lesson. DH
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Ha ha your sick tonight and I love it 54 and counting juve arbroath motherwell its magic
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28 Feb 2013 14:30:02
jelly and ice cream anyone. trueblue.
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Tripe and sour milk now lol doug t. s. o
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28 Feb 2013 14:21:27
The Tic Rumour site is in meltdown lol. Talk of "handing in season tickets" lol
They'd be as well because they don't bother turning up anyways.
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What do you expect? The taxcase and duel contracts have been there lives for the last 2 and a half years.
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28 Feb 2013 14:15:53
I love the fact now we have been punished today and fined 250k but Supporters of other teams are declaring the 54 titles were won by the old company.
NO, the titles were won by the Club and when we lift the 3rd Division title that will be 55.
We are now in a position for everyone to move on. I don't mind the banter, but seriously stop your baiting and move on
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Im sitting with a glass of wine all the small minded people are sick because its 54 and counting glasgow rangers the biggest and best club in scotland
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28 Feb 2013 14:09:44
just had a look on the celtic banter page, what a laugh there all foaming out the mouth and want ueffa to step in. comedy gold, ice cream and jelly all round, a just can't seem to laugh enough. trueblue.
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They can't eat for being sick.
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UEFA could step in if they disagree with the idea that no advantage was gained. If that happens, it could be very messy for all involved. Remember the Sion case?
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Ha ha. UEFA? Your kidding right? The old Celtic UEFA. hotline. how did the dvd of the juve game go? Very quiet.
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28 Feb 2013 14:07:15
So we didn't cheat but we're being fined 250k for failing to report the EBTs is that correct?
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No you did cheat that's why fined see statement:
"The board of directors sanctioned the making of payments under the side-letter arrangements without taking any legal or accountancy advice to justify the non-disclosure. "
The commission also iterated that: "The scale and extent of the proven contraventions of the disclosure rules require a substantial penalty to be imposed. "
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OP - the payments to our players were not illegal but we broke an spl rule when they were not disclosed, that's what the fine is for. No unfair advantage was adjudged to have been gained on the park where the trophies were won that's why titles remain intact, much to the depair of some. Remember ebt's were never kept secret and were declared openly every year on the accounts, therefore the spl were well aware of them and never took issue until last year
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28 Feb 2013 14:00:03
David murray should pay it full stop.
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28 Feb 2013 13:55:47
The commission statement read: "Although the payments in this case were not themselves irregular and were not in breach of SPL or SFA Rules, the scale and extent of the proven contraventions of the disclosure rules require a substantial penalty to be imposed.
So we are guilty of an administrative error not a breach of rules. I wonder if the redundant witch hunters will now retrain or will they simply hope that their job picks up soon with some new victims! There are one or two almost ripe for a kicking so I am sure most will put off retraining for the moment!
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"not themselves irregular "
wow the double negative ploy.
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28 Feb 2013 12:53:53
well its a great day bears we keep our titles lord smith confirms we are the SAME CLUB. surly now the celtic should get done for there ebt. 54 and counting WE WELCOME THE CHASE.
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I don't care what Celtic did, we made an admin error and were fined. End of. Now we need to be the better People and look ahead to our future. End the bitterness to other clubs and let them be seen for what they are.
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28 Feb 2013 12:52:48
Celtic and their fans should be ashamed of the way they've tried to close the gap of titles won on Rangers, firstly by helping to make sure they weren't in the top division and secondly through a Lawwell led SPL commission.
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If Lawwell led it why did it not strip titles?
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There's no point in having a go at them, they are the dissapointed ones at the end of the day. :)
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They are really sick lawwell petrie and thomson get used to it were coming after you
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28 Feb 2013 12:45:59
Basically a score draw but it's done and dusted so back to concentrating on football.
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I am a celtic fan who is not disapointed with the result, there was never a chance of rangers loosing there titles, not in a 100 years, would they take titles of rangers this is scotland remember. fair minded tim,
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Paddy that's the shortest post I've ever seen from you! You sound a wee bit gutted.
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@1 its 140 years mate, then, now and forever
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28 Feb 2013 12:36:23
'The company that formerly ran the club have been fined £250,000 by the Lord Nimmo Smith-chaired commission. '
Well, well, I remember all the tim posts referring to inelligible players, title stripping and the reference to a new club. All gone, disappeared even your Harper McLeod couldn't do a job. Rangers Tax Case - how wrong can anyone get and then get it wrong again? You all hoped that the FTTT findings would go in your favour for this -LOL. How much have you cost the SPL or is it the SFA who funded this because the SPL are skint?
£250,000 fine to a company that ran the club who are going through liquidation ouch while the club continues under new leadership.
So you have had 2 goes at knocking us out and we are still standing and counting!
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"The company that formerly ran the club" so it's the same club just a different company make up your mind Nimmo.
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Celtic have changed companys more than any team in scotland
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28 Feb 2013 12:29:04
Do any of my fellow bears agree with me that charles green, "owner and operator" of Rangers Fc, lord nimmo-smiths terminolog, should pay the 250k fine?
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28 Feb 2013 16:13:49
Why should Charles Green foot the bill it has bugger all to do with him.
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Felllow bears? timposter me thinks. CheltBlue ps. Murray should pay out of his own EBT laiden pockets.
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28 Feb 2013 12:26:31
what will the Scottish Persicution League think up next to kick rangers?
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28 Feb 2013 12:13:45
Surely this paragraph sums up the entire decision.
(6) Rangers FC did not gain any unfair competitive advantage from the contraventions of the SPL Rules in failing to make proper disclosure of the side-letter arrangements, nor did the non-disclosure have the effect that any of the registered players were ineligible to play, and for this and other reasons no sporting sanction or penalty should be imposed upon Rangers FC;
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28 Feb 2013 12:13:31
I see the anti Rangers brigade are already foaming at the mouth and the full details have yet to be announced, the same ones who screamed about sporting integrity. Glad its over, and when we win the Div 3 Title, it Will be 55, no worries on that score. Rangers then now Always.
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Its quite amusing to read the Celtic page at the moment, they are saying the same things over and over. You'd of thought theyd read the posts they made about the stages of grief lol.
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28 Feb 2013 12:39:28
Question:Who, s going to pay the fine, oldco or newco? I think mr green should pay it, after all he bought rangers history, so he has to pay oldcos fine, if he doesn, t that means he, s got nothing to do with oldco, so what's it to be then, I wait with baited breath.
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Like you were waiting for the stripped titles. Beetling timmy. Can't wait to see all the persecutors in court now for slander and libel. Celtic always cheated never defeated. Ah we'll you give people such a good laugh.
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Wait all you want. If its paid then should be restored to SPL.
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He didn't buy Rangers history at all, he bout the stadium, the training ground and the car park for £5m
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CG has always stated that he would not get involved. So why should he pay. Get over it timmie
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28 Feb 2013 13:14:55
Beaten on the field of play, beaten in the law courts, beaten in the kangaroo courts set up by your own people, face it you are a bunch of losers timmy. Rangers winners are grinders. WATP.
Ozzie Al
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OP un bait your breath,
you made the distinction between the old company RFC 2012 and new company RFIC as you should, the only thing is that they are companies not football clubs, the rangers football club has now been owned by three companies RFC PLC, RFC2012 and now RFIC, same club different companies,
As for your question I would think the SPL could take the 250,000 out of the 900,000 that was held back at the end of last season
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To the poster, what bit don't you understand? The fine is against the oldco, mr. Green is the newco, mr. Green bought the history of the oldco. Therefore the newco owns the 54 titles, and the judgement is not against them. Now that's pretty simple? Sporting integrity prevails at last! Oh, and while we're on that subject, have you belched your misguided diatribe on your own forum? Complaining about the lack of sporting integrity when Samaras was throwing himself all over the park? No, I didn't think so. That probably doesn't count.
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Pointless post as you know fine well Green won't pay it
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Question for you will the fans of Scottish Foitball out with Rangers accept that the decisions been made & we can all go back to talking about football until HMRCs appeal finally comes through? Or will they greet the face off the SFA/SPL to appeal Nimmo Smiiths decision on the basis of Sporting integrity & we can continue the mudslinging farce at each other for months on end just building up the hate & Sectarianism between Rangers & Celtic Fans furthermore?
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The judgement states that the newco are not liable, the oldco are. However the date to submit claims to liquidator has passed, so no claim there either. Therefore a complete waste of time and a costly exercise.
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Read the reports. oldco. CheltBlue
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Why should mr green pay it? The SPHELL held onto the old co's money for finishing second before they were liquidated.
So my take on it is, if they can hold onto old co's money then they cannot expect new co to pay fine of old co, simples!
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Charles Green certainly won't pay it from his own money, that's for sure.
On the whole a more than good day for Rangers now let's stop our own paranoia please.
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A brilliant result today celtic fans are sick and I love it
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Charlie did not buy the history training ground or stadium he bought THE CLUB - THE CLUB OWNS THE HISTORY TITLES ETC ETC The club is the same club then now and forever A new owner but the same club Oh the blue bells are blue (an the tic are green around the gills)
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28 Feb 2013 12:08:13
YASSSSSSS
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And now wrong about titles being stripped. ! Sorry, very sensitive I-pad!
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Selic site in meltdown I bet. Any bears had alook yet.
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Jelly and ice cream melted again?
JG
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Celtic lost away and now they can't take our titles awy yahoo 54 and counting
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Brilliant
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28 Feb 2013 11:47:54
well well fined 250k I think that's a fair sentence to hand down,
lets all stand back and watch timmy lose the plot now
JG
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The SPL so called rangers haters, love rangers - what a surprise.
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Cant stop laughing and smiling today, that's 2 out of the 3 dealt with now just hmrc u. t. t. t to sort out now which will be done and they can all crawl back into their little lairs and throw tantrums lol doug t. s. o
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Just had a wee look on there banter site its comedy gold jmgers
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Oh trust me it will happen. trueblue.
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As a celtic fan. I am happy the titiles are not stripped, don't want it to be another excuse in later years. I want the competition
whats done is done. move on
however if I was a rangers fan I would want answers to why if nothing was done wrong with tax and they way they ran the club. why was the decision was made to fold?
believe me I am gutted were no playing against each other.
both also need to kick in to touch the loonie factor both clubs have
its football. no a war, let's face it if they want one. sign up there some guys in the army that are doing just that! on both sides!
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If you visit the monitoring site. Were still cheats and its an injustice is the main reply. A lot are giving up on Scottish football and are talking of boycotting newspapers, I mean how sad. They just can't take it even when a respected judge finds in our favour. Lol
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@6. not a boycott! won't that affect good honest hard working peoples jobs! seem to remember a lot of celtic regulars on here tellin us how wrong, childish, and unfair boycotting anything is. mark.
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28 Feb 2013 11:42:08
Bbc reporting oldco fined 250,000 but no titles stripped, full report at noon
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Spl site just fell over at 12. 00
500 million rangers fans downloading perchance. ?
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Do you think Phil Mac's blog for the day is being re-written as we speak?!
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(1) Campbell Ogilvie, who was called as a witness for the SPL;
So ex-rangers Campbell appears as witness for SPL, no wonder rangers win.
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@3 what did we win, the sentence was a 250k fine, I am ok with that if the SPL decide to deduct it from the 900k that they held back at the end of last season and then pay up the outstanding 650k
JG
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"Accordingly we
proceed on the basis that the EBT arrangements were lawful. "
So FTT result helped.
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@4: pay up to the oldco, you mean? That would go to creditors.
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28 Feb 2013 11:39:56
55 and counting! :)
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Nope afraid not. Rangers oldco and newco are 2 different clubs. Even LNS has published that in his report. Hence why newco is not liable for punishment. TRFC starts on 1
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I'll probably not be the first, however.
1) You're wrong. LNS quite clearly made the distinction between the company opertaing the club and the club itself.
Was the OP being humorous though, I wonder ;)
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28 Feb 2013 12:58:49
@1. dry your eyes. Is this all we're going to hear now. Its the SAME club DIFFERENT parent complany (newco)
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"Between the years 2000 and 2011 The Rangers Football Club Plc (now known as RFC 2012 Plc (in liquidation) and referred to in the decision as "Oldco"), the owner and operator of Rangers Football Club ("Rangers FC").
" the current owner and operator of the club, The Rangers Football Club Limited ("Newco")"
Is it just me or has this INDEPENDANT, NON-BIASED panel have just acknowledged that it is the same club, run and owne by two different companies?
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55 and counting. Get over it tmmie.
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@1 away and wipe those tears darling.
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Nice one mate, title 55! your counting third division titles then?!?! just about the saddest thing i've ever heard!
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Celtic were made a new company when fergus took over so get over it clowns were 54 and counting yahoo
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Not as sad as you people are tonight
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@7 it's still another title to the list regardless of which division it's in now the sphell r going to try even harder to push thru with the 12-12-18 plan now the pyramid system that's for the good of the game but it's only the second bunch of 12 that benefits from the sphell handout the bottom 18 get fk aw wit happened to the Reagan quote pollock (juniors) to parkhead pish
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28 Feb 2013 11:26:28
wow the celts must be raging knowing that number 55 is comming up, NOT GUILY! watp
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Rumours are guilty but let of?
thats not innocent.
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We must be guilty of something otherwise they wouldn't have fined us
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28 Feb 2013 11:54:16
Im a Bear mate but the not guilty thing is nonsense. We have been found guilty, hence the £250,000 fine.
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Not guilty but fined? How does that work?
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28 Feb 2013 12:29:16
Read the ruling:
". the payments in this case were not themselves irregular and were not in breach of SPL or SFA Rules". and.
". Rangers FC did not gain any unfair competitive advantage from the contraventions of the SPL Rules in failing to make proper disclosure of the side-letter arrangements, nor did the non-disclosure have the effect that any of the registered players were ineligible to play"
Ayrbear
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No 4 I was admonished 2 years ago in court but fined to pay the back road tax on a truck I was testing ( WITH TRADE PLATES ON ) work that one out doug t. s. o
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Stupid Football Ass just make up rules as they go along that is the problem.
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The judicial panel had to find something to hit Rangers with to prevent a lot of parties claiming costs, which may still occur
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Seriously 55? You're adding the 3rd division title to the 54 top flight wins?
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They were found guilty of not advising of side letters which should have been declared but this had no bearing on seeking an advantage.
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Admin errors. Slap on the wrist basically but more importantly we gained No sporting advantage. Hence we are not cheats.
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At 6. it only covers you for insurance.
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The most flags won in world football you forgot when celtic won 9 in a row it was against teams like east fife east stirling arbroath etc no sple 9 in a row then
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No. 12 it does cover you for road tax, google it, what they fined me for was I wasnt displaying the rear plate properly as it didint show in their camera, its like booking a hgv in for an annual test at bishopbriggs which is closed now, if you are booked in for a test as long as vehicle is insured on road to test station no mot or tax is needed ps I've been doing it for 39 years, work is now subbed out to carntyne transport, wh malcolm etc where vosa have use of 1 lane doug t. s. o
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28 Feb 2013 11:20:33
Bbc reporting oldco fined 250,000 but no titles titles stripped, full report at noon
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28 Feb 2013 11:19:41
No titles stripped, talk of a 250k fine. More to follow follow lol
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28 Feb 2013 11:16:55
No titles stipped, Not Guilty end off, let's move on, helicopter Sunday remains. Ha.
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Yes it does, but Rangers cannot add to it as they are in liquidation. TRFC is a new club
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Mm - the 43k prize money wouldn't pay the fuel for the helicopter. the 3rd div trophy will come in a cardboard box via messenger boy
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You people are sick today with the news we've won away and play arbroath over 2 legs again ha ha 54 and counting
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28 Feb 2013 11:01:00
now being reported no titles will be stripped mark.
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28 Feb 2013 10:57:23
Rangers not to be stripped of any titles.
Source tv.
Blueice
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