Rangers Banter Archive December 28 2014

 

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28 Dec 2014 15:28:24
This season is lost and should be put down to experience, difficult though it may be, but it might be the wake up call that was needed.
The rest of the season should be used to clear the decks and prepare for the future.
From top to bottom we need an overhaul, so why don't the owners show the transparency that a vast majority request. Start with the title deeds and then clarify who owns the club. Not nameless people behind certain groups, but flesh and blood. However, in the case of certain investors such as company pension funds, this may not be possible, but private pensions would be.
It would then be possible to see the club stucture. The board could then be formed by them, supplemented with hardened, qualified professionals where required.
Included in this structure should be a director of football to completely overhaul the managing and playing staff.
If this was the case we, the support, must play our part and back the club. For all sorts of reasons we protest about nearly everything. The only way we will recover from this is united, so let's try to bridge the gaps between us, where in some instances is like the Grand Canyon.
Maybe then we will go back to being proud to be part of the Rangers family.

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There will always be a natural Rangers support.
The money men are just taking advantage of our gullibility.
We need to stay alive so that we can put Celtic in their place

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You are correct billyb - this season is a wash-out, we might not even make the play-offs. The players and the remaining team management are totally demotivated, dispirited and disillusioned. Just as prior to administration, they know that bad days lie ahead. However many players are out of contract at the end of the season (12?), they know already that they will either be offered a significant drop in wages or the door. Those still in contract are epathetic and see no point in putting themselves out for an employer who are about to screw the club down to the floor. Restructure at the top is desperately required of course but Stephen is also right - the current regime does not give a toss about the fans (this was painfully evident at the AGM) and are just taking us for a ride. Sad and unpalatable it may be but we are now about to take a big step back in order to achieve eventually our short term ambitions.

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Put Celtic in there place?I'm a realist not an optimist, It will take years upon years& European football will never be played for about 10 years or more. we should be heading into our 3, rd year of planning & producing a youthful squad who would be gelling in time for returning to the SPL, alas going backwards, no buissnes plans nothing absolutely nothing, not even a wee chink of light in these dark times, Its a 1 huge cluster f#ck that's imploding!

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I have said this before. It is ure greed as a club that has caused this. U have tried to fast track ure way through the league's whatever it costs. this is why you are where u are. Hearts perfect model as to wot u should have done. Get rid of ure arrogance as a club and u will get somewhere.

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@4 Arrogance pal, are you having a laugh, have you ever listened to your chairman.

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Unfortunately marty is correct in one sense, we have no devine right of success as it has to be earned. Royalblue, that is expected of them, but we should know better.

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Billyb. you know what I mean mate.

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Martybhoy, just what does "your arrogance as a club mean", are you talking about the fans the football management or the directors. We are no different from any other group of football fans we want success for our team. Plenty of us wanted the Hearts model implemented from day one but sadly our manager took us on a different route which has ended in a complete shambles. Arrogance I don't think so, just another hate filled opposition supporter spouting nonsense.

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Who has ever claimed we have a right to success, who said this. Any success we have achieved has been through hard work, just like any other club who has won something. Over the years we have had good managers, good players and good results at the moment we have none of the above but our moment will come again and when it does we will enjoy it,

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Billyb. And royal blue, I know what youse both mean, I wish I was the same, but can't help myself, but I will be hoping my new year resolution will change that, lol

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Yes I do royalblue, but I am surprised you understood my post as I am spelling like them now. I should have said divine. However, my main point is that we need a complete re-think on everything that we portray as a club.

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29 Dec 2014 09:38:21
#4 has a great point. I tihnk the arrogance that he talks about is the way all the bRangers fans, ex players and ex board members behaved when the club were allowed back into the football league at the lowest level. This was deemed un worthy of Rangers and despite what some people may say the behaviour of everyone in the way they blamed everyone other than the custodians was arrogant. The current state of the club should not be a surprise to anyone who follows football and has half an ounce of common sense. It was clearly unsustainable to be paying the kind of wages Ranger were in the 3rd tier. The players that Ally McCoist signed were ll coming form the SPL and they only did so because they were having their wages quadrupled to play againstr part timers. to be honest any one of us would have done the same, money for nothing as the song goes. Things seem to be coming to a head however this issue with Ashley is p[erplexing. The guy own 9% of the club and yet he seems to be the one deciding what will happen to the club, so unless he already has the full backing of the majority shareholders to implement his business plan you have to ask why he has so much power. Rangers in it's current state is never going to work. Dave King is certainly not the answer. Paul Murray is desperate to get his tie and seat in the directors box back, he offers nothing, he invests nothing yet for some reason he seems to be seen as a real Rangers man, he is a fan that is all, same as 99% of the people on here. When Celtic rang the changes the man who took over had a business plan, he surrounded himself with people who were not afraid to make unpopular decisions as there was an end game, it took a long time, a lot of misery, a lot of poor football but ultimately it worked. The people who are circling around Rangers are the same old, same old and they should be chased as far away as possible. The new guys want 2 board members, SO, you then have Ashley's board guys, the Donald Park board guys and the Easdale's in the middle, sorry but it doesn't sound liek a recipe for success to me as they will just be fighting against each other and ultimately for control. I cannot predict the outcome of this but it won't be nice, it will take time and it may involve another trip to the 3rd tier, but maybe that is what is needed to finally resolve these issues.

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Allymac, absolute nonsense when Rangers were demoted to division 3 it was at the request of the fans we did not want any favours from anyone, we embraced the challenge. The sad part is that when we needed a manager with a firm hand and vision we got Ally, a joker who likes a laugh with the guys, he thought if I just assemble a group of guys with some SPL pedigree we should waltz through the divisions, we have no identifiable style of play, we look lost, sometimes when confidence is low you just stick to what you were doing in training and hopefully the confidence will return unfortunately for us three years mucking about in training has left us with a great big vacuum. In steps Kenny, pining for his jovial wise cracking buddy, all of a sudden he looks into the eyes of the bunch of hasbeens and the penny drops, I think that is why he looked so nervous he is finished there is nowhere to go with this bunch.

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Ron 59: Correct, Rangers never had a problem about going to the 3rd div, this is a myth to say we did. Other fans got involved and voted us out and this was the joke created by the SPL, because there was no precedent for this and maybe because it was Rangers, it was too tangled up. No wonder Rangers and the fans got a wee bit miffed as guilty or not other parties got involved who shouldn't have.

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28 Dec 2014 14:18:47
We continually have people posting in saying we need an up & coming young coach with fresh ideas and a philosophy to build rangers through our wonderful facility we have at murray park which undoubtedly is on of the best youth academies in europe, there is an assistant coach at valencia just now is very highly regarded throughout europe, he's scottish and was the coach who discovered & nurtured ryan gauld, his name is ian cathro, check him out for yourselves, I would have him as our new head coach in a heartbeat and I would be prepared to give him the adequate time to build a young, exuberant rangers team with modern ideas ie. attacking, free flowing, modern brand of football although a helluva lot of 'gers fans wouldn't except

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Big Red - I have heard of Ian Cathro who is regarded as an excellent young coach in Spain
Agree we do need a coach who can nuture young players and alongside three or four experienced players we might eventually have a team which will challenge for honours.

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Ian Cathro is the man Craig Levein pulled in to Dundee United after watching Cathro's boys club tear his pro youth team apart. The players coming through the academy atUtd over the last couple of years have all been Ian Cathro's boys if you like, the ones he nurtured through the system. Is he ready to manage Rangers, debatable, look at Deila at Celtic, seen as one of the most up and coming coaches in Europe, great ideas however the pressure of having to win every game andentertain doesn't allow young coahces time to get it right. Maybe he needs to go and prove himself somewhere as a number 1 first and then he would be considered.

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Allymac-Ian Cathro will no doubt manage a team in Spain and doubtful if we could entice him to come to Ibrox due to the current uncertainty surrounding the club on and off the field.

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28 Dec 2014 13:47:27
Ed what is your opinion on the make up of the sfa board from last week, with lawell and petrie on it, surely a conflict of interests

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{Ed001's Note -can that be avoided in Scottish football? There seems to be no way when it comes to Celtic and Rangers, as everyone seems to be on one side or the other.}

28 Dec 2014 14:40:30
Paul Shackleton still in charge of rangers account with the new nomad. conflict of interest with complaints going into the new nomad about the old nomad?

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28 Dec 2014 14:51:41
Your probably right ed, but all we needed was Thompson from Dundee utd on it as well and we would of had a full house

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{Ed001's Note - the problem is that it needs people from outside of Scotland to get away from any conflict of interest. Then you have the problem of it being people who don't understand the situation properly.}

So obviously it would be a conflict of interests too with Campbell Ogilvy, also read its a conflict of interests due to Dermot Desmond being major shareholder & owning betdaq!!Also the state aid, this is all pathetic attempting to try dig up dirt on them! They should be the furthest thoughts on our minds! Ed's correct it should be an independent board from outside Scotland, but what does that say about Scotland?Having too have non Scots in the SFA it's all a shambles from top too bottom

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28 Dec 2014 20:20:19
I wasnt trying to dig up dirt on anybody, I just don't think it's right that lawell is on a panel that's making decisions about rangers, he's not going to make decisions based on what's best for rangers are Scottish football he's going to do what's best for his club which is understandable, I don't like him but he is a good ceo!always stands up for his club

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Ed. Can I ask the SFA question the other way round. What is our argument for saying investment by MA should be allowed. I think it's a given the rule about 3% cross ownership has been in place for a while. Ashley got agreement to allow up to 10% subject to some conditions, which I guess was to stay true to the intent - not controlling two clubs. While we might not agree or like it, let's just accept that is the rule that we signed up to. So why do we think there is a good case to go to 30%. Was he trying to argue no one else would invest, so this is the only way to get money into the club. It would appear this is not true. If the SFA are aware there are other potential investors, what other good reason is there for further changes to the rule. It just makes me more suspicious that they don't want anyone else close to the club. Maybe, just maybe they are doing us a favour.

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{Ed001's Note - I think people are getting mixed up on this issue anyway. This should not be Rangers v SFA at all, this is Mike Ashley trying to get his grubby mitts on Rangers despite owning Newcastle already. Ashley who is deliberately putting Rangers into financial jeopardy to further his aims of taking control. I am not sure whether or not the SFA have Rangers' best interests at heart or not, but I really don't see why anyone would want that man to run their club. He is a spiv of the worst kind. A leech. All he is interested in is profit. If people weren't so ready to attack everything to do with the SFA, they might realise that backing Ashley would be a disaster for the club.}

Sad bear yes it is a bad day when an independent papal is needed, but it's a worst day when indeviduals won't allow it, wonder why

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Sfa are a farce though lol

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So, a panel from outside Scotland to decide what is in the bets interests of Scottish Football. never heard such utter mince. Peter Lawwell has been on recird as saying that Rangers being in the3 doldrums is costing his club a fortune HOWEVER the decision made by the board last week was the right one and was the one wanted by most of the Rangers fans I hear. What was being proposed breaches the rules. end of stopry, irrespective of who was on the panel, it breaks the rules, the rules that ALL member cluibs must adhere to. can't see the issue with this personally.

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28 Dec 2014 13:15:38
Really heart warming too see pictures off Ally, having such a good time at the rugby, only an hour after that legacy off a team he left getting totally humped.

could be the sixty grand a month, he`s raking in for doing nowt that's helping get over the heart break he`s enduring,(so we`re told) with what`s happening at the club, he professes to love.

no doubt went on for a karaoke session to get him over one off the clubs most humiliating defeats in their history.

its been a while, (four days)but thankfully Ally seems to be over this nightmare, and looks back to his cheeky chappie self.

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28 Dec 2014 13:41:28
Its Xmas time, he was with his family m8 give it a rest eh!

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Team is an embarrasment because of his total managerial shambolic ignorance and stubborness.
Should hang his head in shame for what he has left.

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At £15k a week, every weeks going to be Xmas time for the next year.
but ho! ho! ho! as long as ally`s happy, it matters not a jot to him that fans Xmas, and new years, will be miserable with the slagging they get supporting that shower of losers, that he assembled. If he had walked fair enough, But the fact he`s still on the pay roll, he should be showing more empathy, to his mates he`s lumbered with his job.

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28 Dec 2014 16:34:18
We wanted him out,he's out.Do you want him to string himself up?We've hit rock bottom so I'd rather it happened now. Let's be honest here,that yesterday has been on the cards for a long time.Its McDowalls first game and I think he's got more about him than McCoist,I think he'll be in about the players all week.It can't get any worse. Dumbarton will open up next week and have a go,if we can take a few off them we'll get a bit of confidence,but McDowall has a few big calls to make squad wise.Let's see if he has the baws.

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Totally agree with the post. Was sickening to see him smiling away with not a care in the world while the team he was supposed to be building got a skelping off a decent but not great Hibs team. Glad Ally is happy mins you who wouldn't be getting £15k a week for being inept at your job. This man is no legend and like the other spivs put self interest in front of the club. He should be ashamed of the mess he created on the park

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28 Dec 2014 17:24:01
Just trolling now, he's no longer manager, he was out with friends and family you got your wish he's gone leave him be. He is entitled to be paid what's owed not his fault the clubs finances are what they are he asked his CEO's for players they kept saying yes. Honestly what a pair of ghouls you are.

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How anyone can defend greedy Ally is beyond me, he was clueless and useless from the off. McDowell and Durrant are greedy persons as well and just hanging in there for their wages. It AMAZES me how anyone can feel sorry for McCoist, he will go down in history for his part in this shambolic last few seasons as a greedy man who helped himself to grossly high wages when people all around Ibrox had to face the chop and lost their jobs.

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28 Dec 2014 13:07:19
That's why I think we probably need an outsider to come in and change the whole philosophy of the club, because anybody that was involved in the murray era will probably just do what he done, listen if somebody comes in who loves rangers then even better, but we have to run the club properly(and I can't believe people still stick up for David murray)all are problems started with him

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28 Dec 2014 12:34:31
Ed I agree 100% with you how come we've never been able to buy young players and sell them for a profit even when we had a scouting system. Celtic are able to buy players like wanyama, hooper forrester van dyke relatively cheap and sell them on for a profit surely that's the road we need to go down we need a manager with a history of bringing young players through

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{Ed001's Note - Rangers have always been about winning trophies in the short term, there has never been a long term plan. I remember chatting a number of years back with a certain Mr. Souness about it. He was telling me that everything was set up to win now, he felt that was the right way to go about it. I never agreed then and I still disagree. Scottish football does not have the money to sustain win now plans in the long term.}

I think what everyone is missing is murray park has been on the go since 2000 I think. where the club was at the time we should have been up there with all the semi top teams cherry picking the best boys at the time. I can only think of 5 players who came through murray park that have been of any real quality. so the answer is why?i think advocatt saw that when he insisted on Murray park. here we are 14 years later and we have went backwards.

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28 Dec 2014 09:46:41
What annoys me is these so called rangers fans like Jim mccoll with a personal fortune of well over 1 billion pounds but he wouldn't spend a pound to help us. Then you have the likes of Desmond and obrien at celtic who get involved at there club, I'm sorry to say but Donald parks personal fortune of 70 million isn't going to last long at rangers

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{Ed001's Note - that is simply not true. The club just needs to be run by people who are looking to make it self-sufficient. There is more than enough income to run it, it is just being squandered on huge wages for the playing and coaching staff + directors etc. It is time Rangers stopped trying to run themselves like a big European club and looked to clubs like Crewe Alexandra for an example. Run within the club's means and invest heavily in the youth. Not buy old men on big wages.}

28 Dec 2014 10:35:43
I get peed off with the likes of John Brown stating as he did in the Sinday Mail that Rangers fans need to realise the situation the club is in, newsflash Bomber - WE DO.

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Scottjo, I think he was getting his message out to the large group who don't. realise how bad it is. There is thousands unfortunately.

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Well stated Ed, our club has been used as an ego trip, piggy bank, laundry for to long now. The money coming in would more than provide a decent football team and youth structure provision to see the club in the top echelon of Scottish Football.
We would be competing for top spot along with the likes of Utd Aberdeen, Hearts and them or at least in the top 6 on a regular basis, with cup wins etc thrown in. Fans have to realise we simply can not afford being "Rangers" anymore, the Ally scenario of spending thousands on hotels etc for pampered players is madness to say the least. Time to open our eyes and get back to what we are good at home grown players and home grown football.

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28 Dec 2014 09:34:43
I'm all for giving kenny mcdowall a chance as rangers caretaker manager but I also think our board should have brought in a coach from the outside to work beside kenny mcdowall & gordon durie that would have provided much needed different ideas which in my opinion would have freshened things up considerably, here's a thought instead of making big jig a coach would it not have been more beneficial to maybe have given a first team coaching role to some like peter beardsley?Just a thought guys

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As McDowall said, he " can't invent new players. " He's got what he's got and Mourinho would battle here.

We missed out on Scott Allen, lost Telfer and we're not the same team when McLeod's injured. Sheils and Templeton have disappointed and Peralta and Faure, you've got to wonder who was behind their signings. So no, I don't think Beardsley would make bit of difference right now. We have an aging team who don't know were they'll be plying their trade next year.

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28 Dec 2014 11:54:39
Would not make a bit of difference mate the special one himself could try and coach these players , sorry non trier's and it wouldn't make any difference as they are a bunch of.
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McDowall is just as culpable for Ally in the dire state of the team. He has already said he endorsed everything Ally did as manager. It was the same team same tactics and same performance as under Ally the only difference was Ally wasn't in the dug out. McDowall isn't the answer short and long term and the sooner he is on garden leave the better. This shambles we see on the park is Ally's legacy

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28 Dec 2014 14:35:53
Dynamo magician couldn't do anything with this bunch of kid on footballers we have only McGregor and Clark would I offer new deals to but the first team is only half the problem the major problem is the spivs and mystery shareholders at boardroom level until they are ousted we are doomed. I really do fear the worst now we have hit rock bottom!

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28 Dec 2014 14:48:29
His interview after the game yesterday was a bit awkward to watch he looked very nervous and embarrassed he's not got it either as a manager he should get sent to dobbies with Ally and take big jig with him because he's another one in my opinion getting very well paid under false pretenses .it's shambolic the state we are in

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28 Dec 2014 01:35:50
What do you think of Michael Laudrup being our next manager? as I remember super ally was getting paid more with us than Laudrup was getting at Swansea, just a thought or maybe just a dream?

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Craig,

I admire your optimism, and choice! However given the abject mess the club is in and the fact that we don't look like we could beat Pollok Juniors at the minute, I don't think so.

We have an interim coach, who has no different ideas to Ally, who has claimed his job is tainted. Players have checked out mentally because of all the stuff in the background.

We don't need a Michael Laudrup. we need rid of Somers, Easdales, Laxey, Margarita, Bluepitch. the lot of them!

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28 Dec 2014 09:09:00
Until this shambles on and off the park is sorted out Craig I don't think any decent manager worth his salt would take this job but personally I think we need a youngish manger who is hungry to make a name for himself with no old pals act or connection to us in any way and play some decent football like the boy at Hamilton Accies Alex Neil, I know it would be a big step for him but if we are still in this division next year I'm sure he could get our youngsters playing well and with a little bit of experience added in the team,not like the full team of experienced mercenaries that we have just now,I really do believe we would have a really good and hungry side to come up to the premiership .so yes Alex Neil for me mate that would be my choice

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Well said Ayr bear! Until that happens we are goosed

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The problem is with the wages, mccoist etc are still being paid the big money so they can't afford another wage. Total shambles

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