Rangers Banter Archive December 28 2012

28 Dec 2012 23:07:34
Ed when's Murray Park (hate to even write that name) being renamed? Not difficult thing to do. Why so long? Almost 2013.

I'm sure Mr Green is working through his promises as you type.There is an awful lot of them.

It's probably going to be called the new world record park . . shammy

I think you'll find that CG is trying to sell off the naming rights. He's in negotiations with a large pharmaceutical company who want to name it after one of its laxatives. Something to do with the amount of crap MP produces. Lol

Merry Christmas to all good Gers. Hope you have a better year in 2013.

Shuggy

How long has that been now since Green asked us about changing it, it's another one of his lies to keep fans onside and nobody has got the balls to question him about ALL of his broken promises. We the fans have kept our side of the bargain, the only thing Green has delivered is the share issue, and whose best interest was that in.....Greens!

@4 great post! The fans need to start asking the questions if this charlatan Green!

28 Dec 2012 21:01:00
Rangers' perilous financial position had been an open secret but there was still shock when, after 140 years of history and a world record 54 league titles, the club was consigned to liquidation in mid-June. The Glasgow giants were subsequently reformed as a new company and granted entry to the Third Division, Scotland's fourth tier, which they currently lead by nine points with a game in hand.

So fifa have said we reformed undet a new COMPANY NOT AS A NEW CLUB.

And reformed is defined as:
Make changes in order to improve it.

THANK YOU FIFA FOR CLEARLY STATING NEW COMPANY AND NOT NEW CLUB AND THANK YOU STATING REFORMED AND NOT NEW.

Surely this puts this argument to bed?

Granted entry - NOT RELEGATED!

When you are promoted you are also granted entey. The clubs vote to allow you in.

28 Dec 2012 23:56:45
it does say the club was liquidated not the company...but a new company was granted entry ..surely reinforcing the fact that CLUB and COMPANY are one and the same therefore new company = new club.... but hey dont ever let the truth get in the way of what you all want to believe..lol..no worries every non RFC fan knows its a new club/company and next title is No.1

Well said @3) new club/company entering fourth tier. Newco Rangers does not play nor never has played in the SPL. - lord Nimmo Smith.

Those promoted to the SP are voted on, those in the SFL are promoted / relegated automatically. The SPL is a separate body hence the vote.

Read what the official FIFA page has to say about fiorentina who had the same fate as the Gers, shows they were founded in 19 something and still have all their honours but am sure u will put your own spin on what is being said here.

http://www.fifa.com/classicfootball/clubs/club=44331/index.html

29 Dec 2012 12:00:35
to #6..... has been stated on here many times Italian law different from UK..and old honours were bought by fiorentina ( as a seperate and later deal and for a lot more than Green appears to have paid for the so called goodwill package) also they were bought a good time after the liquidation event and not as some ad hoc post administration deal...as you say thats my (and a lot of other clear eyed people ) take on this ...JohnnyG

29 Dec 2012 12:13:11
to No. 6....this from the link you have provided
"The early years of the new millennium were nothing short of catastrophic for the club as it spiralled into debt. Relegated to Serie B in 2002, Fiorentina went into administration shortly afterwards and virtually ceased to exist. Refused a place in Serie B due to its financial woes, the club found a saviour in the city mayor and was eventually re-founded and re-admitted to Italy's fourth tier under the name Fiorentina Viola.

By this stage it had come under the ownership of the influential entrepreneur Diego della Valle, who would engineer their miraculous rise back to the Italian top flight within just two seasons, the club buying back its name in the process, becoming known as ACF Fiorentina"

I would ask you take note that in 2002 they went into administration!! as have many clubs worldwide and were saved by financial savours ...at no time were they liquidated therefore ceasing to exist.... and there lies the difference between your clubs circumstances
and that of the teams who went into and exited administration ....no Liquidation ....this is the crux of the matter the act of Liquidation as opposed to administration {The Ed039's Note - make no mistake, fiorentina are a newco, the original we're not liquidated as we know it as this doesn't happen in Italy)

To number 6 what the **** has fiorentina got to do with rangers , what about airdrie diffrent clubs diffrent outcomes

If it was the company that went bankrupt why did the club not carry on as it was without a company ?
Because the club does not exist on its own. It was a business which had the word club in its name. All the players were employees of the business. All the fans were customers. Were any of you ever given membership of this so called club ? If not, why not ? How can a club have no members ?

28 Dec 2012 17:53:55
Think all genuine Rangers fans would welcome any
information on the proposed investigation into the
dealings of Craig Whyte both in the lead up to his
purchase of the club and his actions and dealings
while in control of the club.
Since the take over nothing has been heard, and
although investigations hopefully are still being pursued
it would be good if even that could be confirmed
because this person surely cannot be allowed to
simply ride of into the sunset.
Ed do you know anything? {The Ed039's Note - This is one of the reasons BDO have been brought in as liquidators as HMRC want to be able to go after individuals, their process will take time so I dont think we have heard the last of things)

The main culprit is SDM. Get after him first. A. Johnstone said there was criminality in the takeover deal and passed the dossier to the police. Where is that investigation? {The Ed039's Note - I think a lawsuit would be difficult to bring up, it would take some cast iron findings against SDM to do that and I dont think they are going to find any)

Lawsuit suggests a private/ civil legal battle Ed. Im talking about police and criminal charges. Two totally different things. Easy to prove if corporate laws made by parliament were broken or not.

Johnstone was very very vocal and adamant that the law was broken. He's no slouch on such things.

28 Dec 2012 16:23:01
FIFA have stated on their website that Rangers who are playing in the 3rd division of Scottish football are a new and successful club. But also state our old club with 54 titles are no More so we have to accept this. At least they came out and told it as it is not like the SFA.
Bobby {The Ed039's Note - How can we be a new AND successful club??)

All this stuff is so boring now. Who cares what people think whether it's a new or old club. Us a Rangers fans recognise the club as the same one and others notably Celtic fans don't. Who cares what they think their views are irrelevant

28 Dec 2012 17:17:04
12 points clear at top of league and still in scottish cup thats success for a new club

Can you provide a link, just looked at FIFA.com and unless my old eyes are failing, I can't find it, or is it just a load of Colin Nish! PB {The Ed039's Note - Yeah I cant find it either)

Ed , i've posted the link i think he is referring to on the celtic page . it was written last summer in scotzine mag .. shammy

28 Dec 2012 18:30:31
fifa.com...and look at "12 moments that defined 2012 " just to prove that it isnt colin nish...

Bobby me ol son....have a read http://www.fifa.com/classicfootball/clubs/club=31067/index.html

This states Gers were founded in 1873. End of {The Ed039's Note - So thats wrong as well is it not? Rangers were founded in 1872)

FIFA will take what the SFA say as the ruling, in the case of Fiorentina it was up to the Italian FA to declare it. It is the same in this case the SFA decide.

The OP is talking b*******. Timmy in disguise again.

@8 maybe not , as i said at 4 . this does exist under'' rangers history fifa'' .google that, , but it is not official . it was written in the summer .. shammy

Total Jimmy Nish! Fifa state no such thing, they merely state after a 140 year history that the company was liquidated! We have 140 years of history....and will continue for 140 more! If other clubs fans have issue with that, then that is their problem and I would suggest a trip to a therapist if it is making your everyday life so unbearable, with the constant obsessing over a matter that in reality is nothing to do with any supporter of any other club! Our club, Our history, our life! We care not for any club other than our own but every other supporter seems hell bent on talking about Rangers! Proves to me that while they claim we are dead and that is that, in truth they know we are still going strong and that is truly what pains them, as they will forever be second best to us!

I await the witty and sarcastic comebacks from the tax experts, legal eagles and financial geniuses of the world.....sorry... meant other clubs supporters! Keep getting those mixed up these days! haha

gmger {The Ed039's Note - Fantastic post)

You can't find it because you don't want to {The Ed039's Note - Are you questioning my integrity and impartiality ........ yeah I just read it too, The note and link that everyone is sending is not a FIFA press release)

@10. Well said. I've said similar in some of my posts just not as well.

@10 total class post .

@12, @13 & Ed039. Thank you all kindly! It's always difficult to put into words the general attitude of our support to other supports comments about our club but usually the Nescafe hand action sums it up!
Hope everybody has a very happy new year when it comes!

gmger

29 Dec 2012 17:08:34
Correct me if im wrong Ed39. The Gers team were formed 1872 but not officially registered till 1873? {The Ed039's Note - I am not worried about when anything was registered, the football club was formed in 1872)

28 Dec 2012 10:11:32
maybe we should counter sue kyle lafferty for impersonating a footballer

I'm a Celtic fan and even I totally agree with that.