Rangers Banter Archive October 27 2016

27 Oct 2016 23:26:09
I know as rangers fans we expect success all the time, but our club has been through and is still going through some very very hard times. Warburton has come to rangers with a long term vision and not a short term fix. He has got all age groups playing 4-3-3 so that they can progress and fit straight into the first team, so if he changes tactics now all the work he put in place when he first came in has been for nothing and has to start again. We can't spend millions anymore and need to develop our own players and to me this is the best to go about it. I truely believe Warburtons impact won't be appreciated until he leaves.

28 Oct 2016 01:27:53
And the under 21s are getting hammered almost every week, his 'long term vision' would probably suit Hamilton Accies, but not us.

28 Oct 2016 08:05:51
Wee-ecky, the current under 21's are made up of 17 year olds. our best young players are out on loan.

28 Oct 2016 08:08:28
yes the under 21s full of 16/ 17 year old son playing against teams who play over 21s every game.

28 Oct 2016 08:39:15
It is true that our youngsters are playing against older players, but that is not always a good thing. Yes it is good for the experience factor, but not for a winning mentality. The team should have a nucleus of more experienced youths to assist the younger players through games.
Unless you are competing in games, heads can go down, especially when defeat is a regular feature.

28 Oct 2016 08:55:56
Out hard times won't last forever. The light at end of tunnel will get. Brighter. Patience is needed.

28 Oct 2016 09:36:17
Do you really think getting beat most weeks is good for the development of those young players? A big part of football is confidence and it must be disheartening for those boys to be losing so often and can't do their development much good.

28 Oct 2016 11:01:42
What you say may or may not be true but the reality is that a large section of Rangers fans won't give him time as they wan't success now and will not accept playing second best to Celtic.

This is the nature of the beast when you manage either half of the OF.

28 Oct 2016 08:48:36
Wee-ecky, did you not read and understand the superb post that grayninho has just written? THE KEY WORD MATE, 'TIME'. Also in your case along with a small minority, 'PATIENCE'! On your rant about the under 21's, try reading onlyshowarounds' post he's spot on! If you listened to warbs many months ago now he explained WHY our 17 year olds would be playing for our under 21 team. You and a few others should engage in what our club is doing and all for the benefit of the future!

28 Oct 2016 09:46:41
Great post grayninho. Unfortunately no gers manager will ever get time to build a team. I've got a feeling the man will be hounded out of ibrox and we will never know if his long term goal would have been a success.

28 Oct 2016 11:41:47
Back in the day, players used to break into the first team before reaching 20. Now with all the aced my thing they seem to spend most of the time gaining experience at a lower level. As for the 16/ 17 year old getting beat regularly-- surely winning regularly is as important as 'learning' and builds confidence. OOPS forgot we do the same at all levels and the first team don't win very often either!

28 Oct 2016 14:16:47
our youth teams don't need to be winning as long as a few gems get the help they need to get into the team because let's face it most of them will end up elsewhere and we will pick only the most talented that's the whole point of youth teams so winning mentality has nothing to do with it.
I also think 4-3-3 isn't something we must stick to to play a style of football we could still be attack minded with a 4-4-2 or a 4-5-1.

28 Oct 2016 15:29:08
James Stirling

You can't seriously be saying that it's ok not to win games at under 20 level! Players will get sickened constantly losing and that will effective development.

29 Oct 2016 12:35:09
So lads how long do we give his long term plan if we're not getting results? 3 years,5,10? This is mainly to cee, supercooper and James Stirling just an honest answer of how long you would give him if our results don't pick up?

27 Oct 2016 22:34:44
Who would like Barton back?
I want the guy to back his mouth up with the performances he thinks he has in him. I like the guy, he's go no fear and doesn't shy away from saying what he thinks, rightly or wrongly. We need some steel about us just now so, why not gee the guy a second chance.

27 Oct 2016 23:57:26
I think he could have came back and did well but its too far gone now. Think we are best to cut our losses and just have him train until jan then sell him. His wages can better go elsewhere.

28 Oct 2016 01:32:01
The manager has made a right arse of things here over a training ground spat. It seems he will brook no questioning of his "authority" and Barton isn't the only player he's having problems with. He's an academy manager used to dealing with, and coaching, wee boys. He's rapidly losing the dressing room and when that happens his tea's oot.

28 Oct 2016 06:59:40
Things keep going as they are on the pitch and Barton may outstay Warburton.

28 Oct 2016 08:10:45
the manager did not make an arse of it. joey barton ds thinking he was a big man and is having to learn the hard way and at his age he should know better. you think we should let a player who is playing crap, also treat teammates and the manager like crap while he is off breaking rules and betting on games? Warburton losing the dressing room? no chance.

28 Oct 2016 08:12:34
I've seen it written on here a few times we can sell him in January. What club will buy a 34 yr old who hasn't kicked a ball in 6months and his recent issues seen him suspended for all that time. If he offers to come off the wage bill his hand will be bitten off and the best rangers can hope for is a non disclosure clause to terminate his contract.

28 Oct 2016 09:21:06
He will go back to burnley, as for the gaffer making an arse of it, bollocks bartons an idiot who thought he was going to be the best player up here but he was crap, it's not easy to play for the old-firm at times, just as he found out
On to warbs, give the guy time to get it right and it will come good, he's now realised that he's going to need better players, I personally think he underestimated the spl, but give him time to build our club, which he's doing at the minute, it's just going to take time, but the problem is I don't know if he will get that time.

28 Oct 2016 09:30:40
Cee

He was asked for his opinion and he gave it certain players and the manager didn't like it and it escalated. That's the problem with the manager and certain players in the team they can't take criticism. As for the betting don't recall you making that big a deal about it when the story broke. If the club didn't sack Black for betting against Rangers then you can't expect the club to do much to Barton who didn't bet on games played in Scotland.

28 Oct 2016 09:00:26
Try to now understand where the joey barton situation is now at! Honestly some hairbrains on here. The barton situation is now well out of warburton's field and has been for weeks now. Its in the hands of lawyers from both sides. Its a disciplinary procedure now. It obviously started off with the spat between manager and player and in any walk of life if it becomes gross misconduct it then moves on to a higher level. I honestly just wish some people would think before mouthing off and in this situation blaming our manager for being weak etc. Just looking for anything to blame him! I totally back our manager in all of this. Its now between the two sides lawyers and our board of directors! SIMPLES!

28 Oct 2016 09:54:49
The alleged training ground spat was the straw that broke the camels back. Looking back at Barton's antics off the park and his performances on the park then all was not well. Barton's attitude on and off the park was causing friction and it was all brought to head that day.

28 Oct 2016 14:28:14
biffo you obviously have no clue to what happened. Joey barton thinks he is bigger than the manager of Glasgow rangers, he thinks he is bigger than the club. he has done nothing in his career to come up here and act the big shot. Ian black done one bad thing at rangers in 2^3 years, you seriously think joey barton deserves special treatment because he's joey barton? speak to the Glasgow rangers manager like crap you don't deserve to play for us, especially if you won't even apologise.

28 Oct 2016 22:56:49
I'd take him back in a heartbeat, because all the wee lassies couldn't take any criticism, team full of soft pampered wee weans that's what wrong wae us! A strong manager would have dealt wae it there n then n that my friends is a fact.

27 Oct 2016 19:47:44
If mw wasleading the league all these doubters would-be on here saying what a great guy he is. wellness Isle is a great guy leading the best supported ream in europe, when he can get a settled team playing week in and week out then we will see better results. spending millions doesn't guarantee successful we will come good.

27 Oct 2016 20:08:26
Wtf? Who is wellness aisle?

27 Oct 2016 21:00:12
Just North of Arran bigblue.

27 Oct 2016 21:29:50
Yeah but he isn't leading the league so your post is irrelevant.

27 Oct 2016 21:40:34
Biffo, i think what Buffalo is trying to say is that it takes time to come back into a top flight and start being dominant.

Also that spending big won't necessarily give us results.

27 Oct 2016 23:55:44
No man is an island, unless his name is Lewis.

28 Oct 2016 01:33:40
Rafbob, nobody is looking for dominance, just competence.

28 Oct 2016 14:44:52
OkJaz, that's a Bute 😉.

27 Oct 2016 18:45:05
In the January window, how about Kings splashing his cash and signing Jermain Defoe from Sunderland. They are struggling in the EPL big time and he isn't starting or finishing every game. I know he is 34 but is a proven goalscorer. Also, what if Barton does return and starts to play regularly and like he did last season for Burnley? Experienced player and a hard nut on the park (and I know off it lol) . Plus Rossiter and Crooks starting games if fit and perhaps signing a decent CB but who? FInally, give MOH and Dodoo a good, long run up front and see what happens. We're not going to win the league this season but we can at least build some momentum and maybe win the Scottish Cup and launch our bid next season?

{Ed002's Note - January is a tough time to buy and the club need to ensure that the manager gets a clear run through to the summer before any knee-jerk decisions are made. The Barton situation needs resolving in favour of the club. An albatross and one hand tied behind his back after a kick in the gonads is making it tough for the manager.}

28 Oct 2016 10:13:19
If your signing definitely might as well get John Terry while your at it lol.

27 Oct 2016 15:57:06
Missed goal thought we were 1 up until half time. Shocking 2nd half display. Right back can't use ball so tav will continue there. Garner took 1 chance from 3, not good enough. Holt holds ball too long and can't turn when marked. O Halleran wasted out wide we have to get him more central and one on one with defenders. Warbs your time is coming to an end. If rangers can get ahead and then counter attack we could be ok but going behind again means they can do it to us. We are a joke now.

27 Oct 2016 21:32:16
people wanted Tav to be replaced by the Ulstermen, after last night's performance Tav should walk back into the team. No attacking threat down the flank, poor distribution, lacking concentration, that lead to the goal and generally another poor player!

27 Oct 2016 14:09:53
Was at last nights game, very frustrating evening. First, seemed to notice how when our midfielders get the ball they look sideways or backwards for a pass but st Johnstone midfielders were turning their marker and going forward, a lack of a strong ball winning midfielder. Holt was getting thrown about like an empty trackie. Wallace was poor and not for the first time, every time he plays the winger nutmegs him. Finally, when we have a goal kick in the 89th minute looking for a winner and wes is deciding to either kick it short to someone with a player breathing down them on wide to the 5'6" right back who'll never win the ball. Lacking a target man.

27 Oct 2016 11:27:39
Morning all! First post on here so thanks to everyone who keeps it interesting!

I've followed on here through the Whyte, Green and Ashley era and understood the pain and opinions of many.

I've logged on and constantly refreshed the page on transfer deadline days hoping snowy's wee dug has more info than sky sports news!

It's only now though that I feel the need to post.

Yes, we are not where we want to be in the league. Yes, we are hurting from our poor performances against Celtic. And yes, we are not clicking as a team right now. However, the hounding of Mark Warburton and the team isn't the answer.

For the last five years we've collectively cried out for a manager who signed youth and gave them a chance. We've demanded that we try and grow from the ground up and stop wasting money on over 30's and long named foreign imports. What we have to remember is that this takes time to build, improve and win with.

Although I feel the frustration of many of you at the results, changing the management team is isn't the answer. All we would be doing is going back 12 months.

We have a manager who never has embarrassed himself or the club in the media and has returned us to where we wanted to be. A manager who had us all excited in the summer by his signing criteria and style of play. A guy who has a proven record at Championship level and is trying to better our youth academy.

ask yourself, If it wasn't to be Warburton, who would be better? Who out there really would bring something better to the table? Names like Billy Davies and Alex McLeish get mentioned on here daily who haven't had a substantial position in football through our entire fall from grace.

Let's not forget, we're two points behind Aberdeen. A team that's supposed to be Celtics biggest challengers and frankly the biggest imposters in the league!

It's too early in the season to hit the panic button and we need to stand firm with what we have. I accept if things don't improve and our league position suffers then naturally questions need to be asked. But for now we need to stand with Mark Warburton and continue to fill Ibrox the way we have so far this season.

27 Oct 2016 12:24:54
great post snudge, there's too many people jumping the gun, I've been guilty of that myself, but results against leaser opposition every other week just isn't good enough, whos to blame? we've got a manager that fits everything we've been crying out for, but still doesn't know his first starting 11, he chops and changes his team every single week trying to find a formula to get 3 points, that's the worrying thing for me mate.

27 Oct 2016 12:34:19
Do you actually watch the team? The standard of football is appalling. All he has done is build a team full of average players. You said this is a manager who gives youth a chance and doesn't sign over 30's on big wages. Maybe you didn't notice but our 2 highest earners are both over 30. Of all the players he has bought how many would command a decent transfer fee? 10 games into the league and we have 4 wins that isn't progress. None of our players have shone and we don't have a player who is currently in the top 10 scorers in the league. Even Boyd has scored more goals than any of our players.

27 Oct 2016 12:34:57
Good post. I don't think it's about hitting the panic button because we already know we're not good enough to threaten Celtic and we've conditioned ourselves to accept the level we're at. Our players certainly didn't stand out last night as looking any better footballers than the St Johnstone ones and that's where we are as a team.
I applaud Warburton for changing his team selection and yeah, once on the park you can't blame him for some of the missed chances. I don't see the January window as any sort of saviour for us and we can only hope to get the best out of what we've got and finish a very distant 2nd. Spilled milk I know but you could see the guile of Kranjcar missed last night and that is one big blow for us.

27 Oct 2016 12:56:25
Kfraser

Where exactly do you see Warburton taking Rangers long term?

27 Oct 2016 13:37:26
I see warbs having rangers finishing second this season we are in a really bad place as to how we have started the season and yet we are only 2 points behind the sheep (who we should have beat) and its early in the season all these kneejerk reactions are way over the top and made by people who can't accept how far we have to go to get to the level of celtic.

I don't blame you guys its a hard pill to swallow but to try get change at management level is unbelievably stupid and not in the best intrests of this fine institution.

we need to support the hat and get right behind our players.

27 Oct 2016 13:37:44
Biffo, I was referring to the majority of the squad being young and I'm sure you'd agree every team needs some form of experience. What is your expectations for the season? Do you think we should be challenging Celtic? It's what we all want but in reality we're not there yet. I really believe second is completely achievable.
Would agree with Colin McDonald however that he needs to find his first pick 11.
we need to be patient.

27 Oct 2016 14:14:08
My first post also. Man some peolle need to take a long hard look at themselves. I've lived throgh the nine in a row years unprecedented success the murray millions et all. Weve had one of our greatest ever players completely exposed as a manager overseeing THE worst football ever seen at Ibrox to a guy who has breathed new life into a club that was ready for having its life support machine switched off. We played exciting forward thi nking football last year. We signed players during the summer that many of us were excited about. Now 10 games into a new season against better quality footballers we are a point of second place and folk want the manager sacked and players to be driven out of Ibrox . How many of you go to work and are wat he'd and held to account by ove 40 thousand people every week. It is completely true we are not playing well atm do you think the players and management don't know that or aren't trying. Football is a game of skill with a sprinkling of luck and what binds the components together is confidence. Villifying and critising unjustly does not breed confidence in anybody. Either get behind the team for the rest of the season and see where we end up or take up howli g at the moon which is more suited to the intelle t of some of the idiotic posters on here. We are about dignity respect and winning with honour so come on the teddy bears let's get about the rest of this league we are much better than where we are.

27 Oct 2016 14:19:15
Snudge

It's not even about challenging them but currently they are going to beat us 4 times in the league at maybe twice in the cups. Not saying we should be able to compete with them however we are a million miles away from them. There isn't 1 player in our squad that would even make their bench and players like Scot Allen who they don't want and Ryan Christie who hardly plays would walk into our team. Our team is full of average players and 4 wins out of 10 after having the 2nd biggest budget in the league is shocking. No player has shone this season and even the much maligned Kris Boyd has scored more goals in the league than any of our players.

27 Oct 2016 14:27:23
Time is something managers don't get these days. But I genuinely believe we have to give mark time as it will come good.

27 Oct 2016 14:28:12
Totally agree with James Stirling. If we had have won games at Ibrox instead of drawing we would have been a clear second in league. So can't be that bad. We need to start winning games more convincingly and all will become well. Have faith fellow Bears but to dump MW would be a huge mistake Give the man a chance at least to end of season. If he doesn't deliver fair enough. Keep supporting the club we all love but have a little bit of patience.

27 Oct 2016 14:36:24
Biffo
I see a decent 2nd place and a bit of European football the next couple of years. Murray Park might produce but I have my doubts and I'm not a fan of McParland and trawling the lower English leagues for bargains. Maybe he should hop on a plane for a cup of tea with Kranjcar's dad one day and have a look in Croatia. Anything further than Burnley will do.

27 Oct 2016 15:16:50
First of all great post snudge and from me anyway welcome to the rangers rumours/ banter page. I 100% think mark warburton is the correct manager for us now and the longterm! I will also state here and now that glasgow rangers WILL finish 2nd in the league this season, so i've laid my cards on the table and stand to be corrected otherwise! let's get a few things straight here, of course we're not playing well just now but to the must be either black or white, with nothing in between, impatient lot out there and there is a good few, although still in the minority, back the manager and the team to the hilt until the end of the season and see where we are and then take stock and judge everything. Is that too much to ask guys? Our great institution has been away in a very dark place and is in the process of being rebuilt from top to bottom. What would be achieved in changing the management team? NOWT! We have NO big money to spend and its now about rearing our own and scouting our own young talent. This is why i think, we've got the correct manager in place, the now, for which i've no doubt, we'll benefit in the future. PATIENCE MY FRIENDS, PATIENCE!

27 Oct 2016 15:58:17
Snudge your first post chimed with my own thoughts that's why i posted also. However unless you are mystic meg or have a crystal ball you can't say we won't beat the mhanky mob this season. What i'm saying is let's try and be positive its amazing how anyone can do somethi g when they think they can as opposed to someone who continually failswhen they think they can't do something. I fully support what mark warburton is trying to do ie buid from the foundations up. Our current crop of first team players aren't playing to their potential that's obvious so comparisons to their players is a bit pointless imo my friend. They are playing with confidence which is huge. We should get behind the players and make them feel it . I believe a couple of good wins and we will motor on. let's wait a little longer before we write our own players off after all they are Rangers. Ps apologies for spelling in my earlier post fat fingers and old man syndrome.

27 Oct 2016 16:02:46
Forsyth, if we had won our games at ibrox wed be second? But we haven't that's the point and tbh we've hardly looked like winning a game, lucky v motherwell last minute goal good 45 mins v Dundee n Inverness away then very lucky to hold on! In my opinion we've deserved to win one game this season and that's not good enough whatever way we look at it! Do any of you think with our playing budget the performances are anywhere near acceptable?

27 Oct 2016 10:51:20
Boss hogg, Michael o'halloran was rangers best player against St Johnstone. Beat his man down to the by line on several occasions and put in some tantalising crosses. None of which the other players could convert. It's a collective failure but o'halloran was good.

27 Oct 2016 11:08:35
his crossing wasn't great sometimes but at least he was trying to create something, he dragged players away he got in behind but our midfield and other players are too busy trying to play passy along the box. he certainly did more yesterday than mckay, dodoo, waghorn etc have done this season.

27 Oct 2016 13:55:57
dodo? cee when has he really got the chance to shine he has been left out the squad as much as MOH and imo rightly so I don't like players that run with their heads down as u can tell MOH does that and can't pick out a man yes he looked okay last night but that's not changing the results is it?

27 Oct 2016 09:54:56
Warburton has gone from the magic hat to get rid of that . its disgusting. Some fans need to get a grip! After what this club has been through and the current situation with incoming cash did fans honestly expect us to challenge this year? Not a hope. This year is about trying to finish second and getting European football back to ibrox and yard stick for how far we are away from Celtic and hopefully finishing above Hearts and Aberdeen. Warburton has correctly increased the squad size and been loyal to players who helped with the journey. He deserves a minimum of this season. We need to unite and get behind the manager and players! Yes some signings may not have worked out but tell me a manager whose every signing does work and that applies to Brenda Rodgers. Being a Supporter means you Support your team let's get behind them and quit the negative bs .

27 Oct 2016 16:11:13
Some bad signings Scott yes, we've made 11 n none of them have made an impact, money we don't have.

27 Oct 2016 16:58:50
agreed scotty its disgusting I thought our fans where of a higher order than that .
its pathetic really is.

every rangers fan is disappointed right now but most of us know where we are as a club and don't expect miracles .

we need more time and we click we will be hard to stop.

27 Oct 2016 08:40:07
The big question is who is at fault, the players or the management? we had 11 shots on target last night scored just 1 it seems to me we are creating chances just not finishing them, that to me is the players fault?

27 Oct 2016 09:30:19
can i ask, did MW sign a new deal in july, if so for how long and possibly for how much pw?

yhanks.

27 Oct 2016 09:36:09
Who picks the players?

27 Oct 2016 10:13:57
To be honest onlyshow i don't think that tells the full story as we don't look like scoring and a lot of the shots we're having are pathetic, its not exactly like we're missing 3/ 4 great chances a game. and as for your 1st question mate its everyones fault but at the end of the day MW brings the players in and asks them to play that system therfore i think he's got to take a large chunk of the blame.

27 Oct 2016 10:26:13
The standard of player we have available to us is just not good enough. The summer signings have been pretty poor, with the noticable exception of Windass. The recruitment policy needs to be looked at again. We don't have the funds available to challenge Celtic's buying power, but one thing they have got right, in some cases, is the ability to recruit and move on for considerable profit. Barton, Kranjkar etc are not going to benefit the club financially as they are after a final pay day. Surely there is a Boumsong or a Cuellar somewhere. We should be good enough to qualify for Europe next season, but if we don't we will struggle to attract players of decent quality.

I said before the season started that we should be bringing young, hungry players to the club. It is a marathon, not a sprint, but most of us are not blessed with a lot of patience.

27 Oct 2016 10:56:11
Its a mixture of both, warbs should see the amount of chances were wasting and change his tactics at least a bit.

27 Oct 2016 11:11:29
I'm lost here guys, how can a manager change tactics when we are creating chances and the players are not finishing the chances? to me if you change tactics when you are creating and not finishing chances are you still won't finish your chances? That to me is an issue the players have, every shot was directly at the keeper, that is the players fault is it not? Yeah sure Warburton picks the squad, but if let's say aguero isn't finishing is it Peps fault or agueros? we created plenty, the players just couldn't finish, it could have been 3-1 at half time.

27 Oct 2016 12:48:00
Were not creating heehaw only a few half chances a game which all teams get we've hardly carved a team open this season all we want to do is play passy up to the box then turn back! I must be watching s different rangers if u think we make plenty of chances because I don't see it mate.

27 Oct 2016 13:05:22
Got t agree bigblue ayr. holts was a decent chance but everything else was half chances.

27 Oct 2016 07:40:29
On a brighter note surely michael o'halloran has to start against kilmarnock on saturday! If moh gets an extended run in the team, i truly think we'll witness the true ability he possesses, and one of the biggest weapons any player can bring to any team, BLISTERING PACE! As well as getting past st. johnstone defenders last night, moh put some very good balls into their box. MOH is a poor man's theo walcott for me, now i'm not saying moh is as good as walcott but rangers could use him similarly to the way arsenal use walcott. Although walcott is undoubtedly better, they both have very similar playing styles. Would any other bear agree with this? Will be good to hear your opinions on this.

27 Oct 2016 07:54:53
Other than his pace, he is a poor footballer.

27 Oct 2016 08:07:57
If we had finished our chances, O'Halloran would have walked off the park with 4 assists. on the night probably the only positive.

27 Oct 2016 08:10:12
he's poor at the passing game and coming inside passing it around the 18 yarder 44x. Isn't that exactly what we are all moaning about? he's direct in the final 3rd which we need imo.

27 Oct 2016 08:25:07
If he's hungry to prove himself could provide some ammo for striker. we've got to change something mckay and waghorn ain't doing it from wide positions.

27 Oct 2016 08:29:13
Boss Hogg, were you at the game or did you watch the game last night? Did you not see anything moh did? He was powerful, very direct, took on any went past his man (who continually doubled up on him), put some very good balls into their box. If given a deserved run in our team imo he can bring so much to the team! At least he'll take his man on and create chances for his team mates and himself. He'll be a very good asset for us if warbs gives him a chance and extended run in the team!

27 Oct 2016 09:26:47
I like o, h he gives us something different, btw what he needs just like any other footballer is a run of games.

27 Oct 2016 11:33:43
The players look like they don't enjoy playing at ibrox anymore and no wonder. Moh plays his first game in ages plays well imo and some fans still not happy with the guy. No gers manager will ever be given time to build a team for future cause of fans impatience .