Rangers Banter Archive October 27 2012

27 Oct 2012 16:01:35
hi fellow gers, this post isnt about football i obv know this is for football talk but i am hoping for a bit of help, today i have been at a march to raise awareness to the outcome of a recent court case, a friend of mine was fatally stabbed lastyear we waited over a year for his killer to be brought to court and after a 2 week high court trial his killer walked free even tho he admitted stabbing my friend barry mclean, barry was 27 years old football daft never been in a spot of trouble in his life he also had a 7month old son who is now going to grow up without ever knowing his dad, if ED allows this post up and you are with me on this could you find the time to log on to the website below and sign the petition www.ipetitions.com/petition/justice-for-barry-mclean
mon the gers tomorrow.... W A T P

As a Celtic fan in peace, I will log on and sign this for sure. You should also post on the Celtic site as I am sure there's would be a lot of people to also sign from there. YNWA

Consider it done.It's time for decent people to rise up against these animals roaming our streets.Truly heartbreaking for the little boy and his mum.........green jhedi

Lads feel for all you people that have to go through this terrible situation an old guy here, lets get rid of knifes and ANY offensive weapons these people R COWARDS

Celtic fan here. What a shocking story. His poor child will grow up never knowing his father. The whole family must be devastated. Knife crime must be severely punished and I will definately sign the petition. rt

Shocking, heartbreaking and devastating for the family of this young man. Consider the petition signed.....Del Bhoy

Thanks so much for all the celtic fans coments it means the world to the friends and family lets show that beyond football we appreciate as individials we are all as one!! please keep signing the petition.

Here here great messages from the celtic fans on here , thats the way it should be football banter is always there but great to see we still are as 1 when it comes to this amazing, how could a court let a bag like that go unreal, guzman

Done mate, tic fan here but am with you

Vambo

Celtic fans take a bow for your comments here. just shows that when it comes to the things that really matter we are all in it together. lets hope this family gets the justice it deserves. high time the uk and scottish governments did more to eradicate this vermin from our streets. (but wont be holding my breath waiting on ot happening.)

I'm sorry - I feel bad for the lad who died and for his partner and young son, but the fact remains that three guys (the victim, his brother and his uncle)turned up on the accused's doorstep looking to 'sort things out'. You can't condone the use of a knife but the plea he entered in court (self-defence) was probably pretty valid. of course let's stamp out knives but let's also try and stop the tit-for-tat violence that led to this needless death.

Signed.

As Albert Einstien said -
The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it.

Bluegenius

27 Oct 2012 16:33:13
Just thought I'd let fellow bears know Archie Campbell of Morton another 2 goals 2day ex rangers player who would've signed in a minute again.

I know Archie, great wee player, but Morton is his level i'm afraid.... Not many good things come out of Morton. The best thing was the Last bus back to Glasgow .

@1: could you tell us all where this Morton place is? lol

What do you mean Morton are his level? They are 2 divisions above us, Morton is in greenock.

27 Oct 2012 15:09:36
My team for 2morro Alexander, Cole, Perry, Cribari, Wallace, Shiels, MacLeod, Hutton, Aird, Little, McCulloch.... Doubt Cole will play instead of Faure or Argryou, Black will probably be in ahead of Hutton... Anyone know anything about Kamil Witorski? LeJonWATP

27 Oct 2012 15:48:21
I like the look of the boy Tom walsh, I predict he will get a game for the first team before the season is over.....MR Walsh lol.

Witorski is a midfield player and has represented Poland at u19 level I think.
Don't know what the Gers team will be today..
R .B is still a problem as Fauré doesn'tget up and down the flanks..like to see Hutton staet but ally has shiels.black,,McLeod,and aird.little and mcculloch upfront.

25 Oct 2012 14:06:25
hi ed just wondering if you or anyone knows what the outcome will be if its found that duff and duffer knew about the ticketus deal. according to the record they knew all along.was there a conflict of interest?were they breaking the law by administating the club while they had this knowledge?seemingly that plum whyte nearly s@!t himself when hmrc nearly stopped duff and duffer becoming administrators.hope they all go to jail.p.s.keep getting behind the team guys.watp. {The Ed039's Note - If that is the case, and I think we have all known for a while that they werent Whyte's preferred choice of administrator for no reason, then D&P would I imagine face serious repurcussions in a court of law)

I really don't know how much longer I can get behind the team, there is crooks everywhere trying to get their claws into the rangers, my heart isn't in it as much as it once was, if green takes us back into administration I for one will be chucking it for good and I'm sure I won't be the only one, it doesn't seem to be a football club anymore its more like a law firm, no football issues ever get discussed anymore and I'm totally sick of it. {The Ed039's Note - Try sitting on this side of the forum mate, I am a former poster on the site before I became an Ed and up until beginning of last season all the posts were football related but not anymore. And everyone has an opinion, its difficult. All I would say is there is not alot that can be influenced from the position you and I are in and all we can do is keep supporting the 11 boys that cross the white line every week as the politics either will or will not sort themselves out)

And it would have significant repercussions to the sale of assets for a partly amount.

Ed, I note your comments. This laissez faire attitude is what led to the death of Rangers.
There's something deep within the Ibrox klans make up which make them adverse to mobilising/demonstrating even demanding transparency. It's conformist at best.
Before Celtic were even faced with administration in '94 the support had their gloves on and mobilized, holding long vigils outside Celtic Park, culminating in the Celtic for Change movement and Brian Dempsey being able to say those now famous words "the game is over, the rebels have won"

Supporters of Ibrox have sat back and done sweet f all, even with strong allegations that the stadium, car park and Murray park is about to be sold off (at the same time having the probable effect of making it more difficult for the liquidators to make assertions that acquiring them in the first instance was indeed a gratuitous alienation) the silence from supporters groups is deafening.

There is no transparency.at rangers,fans dont know what is going on,manager dosent know,buisness men out to make as much money as they can,they are killing rangers

"Supporters of Ibrox have sat back and done sweet f all"

Another of the "greatest supporter in the world" talking bollox... a few demos outside Parkhead does not a revolution make! The bunnet stepped in and took care of business for you.
Rangers fans have done what we do best, get behind the team in HUGE numbers, world record numbers! The days of jumping up and down in front of TV cameras to get your point across have mainly gone because of this, the internet, and we have made good use of it. But only when we are not at the match where all "great" supporters should be...

BB

@5: to cite turning up at matches is irrelevant as an answer to post 3. It doesn't address the lack of any real activity by Rangers fans/supporters groups to have a real say in what has happened at the club. Whether you like it or not, Celtic fans did much more, even if there were many doubters about Fergus.

BB I think you will find it was a lot more than a few demos outside Parkhead that the greatest fans in the world done. You are probably too young or too stupid to understand so we will just leave it at that and let you enjoy your brand new club. Rangers fans sat and said it will never happen to us, its all a timmy conspiracy etc etc, which parts of the club you used to supports death was a timmy conspiracy you plank? And you are all still sitting doing hee haw as the unanswered questions mount up by the day. Oh thats right, you followed your team through thick and thin, the thin times will soon be anorexic mate, at least you will be able to say you supported both teams to their death and it was all timmy's fault. People like you shouldn;t be allowed out the house yourself but I suppose your carer gets a free ticket for matches helping boost attendances at your rented stadium.

@6. The problem is who do we take aim at? Wee Fergus was open with the Celtic fans about what he would do and how to implement it, he was transparent. We don't have that, as there are so many conflicting reports about who is telling the supposed truth, I would love for things to be black and white and have an obvious target to go for, but our situation is far from obvious. Bigbaz

As a Rangers fan I believe what the Celtic fan was saying is 100% correct. I do think that as fans we have had he sit back and wait and see attitude with the belief that "everything will be alright". I think this came from years of dominance and a certain that "it can't happen to us" feeling. If truth bet known I don't believe that anyone would have believed where we are now.

I remember the Celtic crisis, in fact I visited just to see the suffering, and it was not a few people milling about, it was a full on demo and they forced the issue to a head. They also voted with their feet, we have not done that but I wonder if, strange as it sounds, we had whether things would the same now. Let's be honest we have barely raised a few boos, we sat and watched the Whyte debacle unfurl, what did we do?
Nothing, that's what.

We should have taken to the streets, we should have voiced our opinions. We didn't, we somehow let the RST and RSA have the ear of those in charge. These "organisations" are the most inept bunch that I have ever come across, they certainly don't speak for me. These are the people that declared Whyte "impressive" following a meeting after BBC aired their programme. They asked him one question - "why have accounts not been submitted"
Can I suggest that a few more questions should have been asked like "why are you a lying bar steward" perhaps.

I am Rangers daft, have nothing but a healthy dislike of our rivals and their fans, but the guy is correct.

Celtic fans would not have put up with this.

@9: poster 6 here. I agree, the supporters clubs should have done much more - they've just fannied about and asked few or no pertinent questions regarding transparency.

@3 it was 4 yrs that the fan groups spent trying to get change at smeltic, 4 yrs and one group went tits up and another stepped in. It was only because of the bad stewardship by the Kellys and Whites that brought in F. McCann.

Completely agree with poster 9 & 6 I am a long time Gers supporter as soon as we knew there was a debt problem not only with hmrc and loyds questions should have been asked and if the old board had been more honest and transparent maybe something could have been organised. Administration wasn't our downfall ( look at Dundee ) it's the liquidation that killed us off and I'm sure that could have been prevented. Whyte and Green and his backers could have stopped this but it seems to me that's the road they wanted to take with their sordid effort to get a CVA with the offer they made. Nobody in their right mind would have accepted that. Now the creditors and fans are the losers. To be honest I don't know what we as fans could have done because there was no clarity about what was going on right up to the takeover, maybe that's why we as fans should insist on being made aware of how and where we are going otherwise vote with our feet and cash or we might end up with it being a comple disaster.
Bobby

Sorry but to late duff and duffer walk away with 2m plus they don't give a hoot jail that will never happen its whyte the shifter that I won't to go to the barelll..... And I hope he enjoys his porridge ..................