Rangers Banter Archive May 27 2012

27 May 2012 21:09:23
another week.
i wonder what revelations we're in for this week campers.
seems a long time ago since it was just the bbc being anti-rangers by revealing whyte was a bit dodgy. wasn't life simple then ? i think this might be the worst week yet. its like a volcano, you know its going to explode but you dont quite know when.

27 May 2012 18:03:36
after watching the men who sold the jerseys,surely if this is all true there has got to be some ppl serving hard time for fraud,i also take my hat off to the bbc they done a good job putting pressure on these criminals that have brought a great institution to its knees,surely now the sfa and spl have got to be looking into mr green very hard so we dont go down the same road again

Dont forget that the great institution who is now on its knees actually benefited success wise with these criminals at the helm,rangers and its fans arent the only victims...ask the rest of scottish football how they feel,did rangers fans feel sorry for the rest of us when they where spending 12 million on guys like flo etc etc?you reap what you sow.

Rangers and it's fans aren't victims, every SPL and Euro team that played rangers are the victims. There's 273 financial victims. Rangers and it's fans were benefactors the same as the players, the staff and directors and managers. SDM took £6.6m tax free, the fans benefitted just as much with the victories.
Balance to this universe must not be made with returned titles and financial restitution made.

Your post is nothing more than a petty swipe at Rangers fans.
What an unreasonable and ridiculous post.
Do you think for one second that Man City fans are one bit bothered about where their clubs money comes from right now?
What you are saying is that they should demand an inquest into their owners when things are going well.
Look mate, i'm sick of petty little "know f*ck all's" such as you, condeming RFC fans. i've supported the club for 38 years, and i can assure you, i knew nothing of the present day problems. Yes there were several people banding propaganda around ,but i just put it down to jealousy, anti RFC bigots,and sour grapes from former directors. What you appear to be implying is that all Rangers fans knew exactly what was going on,and stuck two fingers up to all and sundry. Well i can assure you mate, i didn't, and as well as being totally gutted,i'm completely gobsmacked by the state my club is in. Yes it may well be when you boil it all down that RFC is liable for it's recent downfall, but i certainly wasn't involved in it. So take your hateful little hat off and run along.
P.O.B.

@3: explain this 'petty swipe'. You been out in the sun too much this weekend so you're seeing things?

3. i know some city fans who do care and although happy to see the players they have, are a bit uneasy about it all. its not manchester city football club who are doing well its the bankrollers. its an open debate. i lived in the city for 25 years and before the fergie revolution there were more city fans in manc. salford is the utd heartland. that may have changed. in atkinsons day, on most matchdays a kid could get on a bus in salford at 2pm and go and pay in at the boys gate. not now. in many ways football has been stolen from the fans. i always thought scottish clubs had kept in touch with their fans but rangers plight is an act of grand larceny unparalleled in the uk. the longer it goes on the worse it gets. this might seem ridiculous to many of you but there are a lot of great wee clubs in scotland and some of you drive past them to get to ibrox. give it a go, you might be surprised, football isnt about always winning, ask any city fan.

How can you possibly say rangers fans arent victims,we put our money in and thought our club was being run in a proper manner,now we are being threatened with a newco that il never go and watch

The thing is...as some of yous said...you had a feeling something was wrong and wondered how they could afford players, yet you just kept shut and enjoyed the winning. you never asked questions about how you were getting the money because you just love your legends and allowed them to do what they watn as long as it worked......even months and years ago ppl were saying what is going on at your club yet nothing from the fans until administration and still alot of yous think your club is inocent because some how you think the ppl running and owning a club is different and are not part of the club, you dont see they act for and represent the club. even when former employes, that guy who let you know whats was going on after he left the club back in 2000's, did you lisen? no, you just disregarded his clams without even taking a sec to think....i know as a fan if as many questions and dogdyness that was coming out of my club i would demand whats is going on.

@4.
My post aimed at @1 -"Reap what you sow"
P.O.B.

Well that's a little white lie for a start now isn't it.
There's been plenty going on at your club that has been well documented but very definitely ignored.

Do you think the clubs involved with these players in Italy should be hit with sanctions and fines and player embargoes for the players and officials at the club match fixing

Because I don't the club is far more than just the act of individuals and should treated different {Ed001's Note - but it is the club that is being affected by their actions. It is pure stupidity or insanity to suggest the club should not be held responsible!}

Why should a club be held responsible for the act of a crook ed,if there is illegal things happening and you punish the club then the individual who is responsible is getting away with it,he should be the one in the dock at court,not sitting in his mansion looking at it with not a care in the world {Ed014's Note - It is called corporate responsibility.

@8: no petty swipes in there either. More sun today for you?

The clubs in Italy will not be held responsible for the illegal actions of some players and officials at the club
And neither do any other company face sanctions for similar things

27 May 2012 17:46:13
CVA at present can only deal with the known amounts due....

The BTC may introduce additional penalties - as once that decision arrives (and D&P will have 5 days notice on this) - then maybe further CVA - or yet another administration stage...?

But the wealth of BBC emails and stuff on dual contracts make it look like rangers defense will be a joke.
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The BBC didnt show ONE dual contract ni that or any other programme.

So the op is saying that D&P are going to do a cva then suddenly reaize after that is done that the club could have to pay more if the btc goes against us?

Keep dreaming, whats the point of doing a cva if it does not count the tax case?, if a deal is done it will be a bigger % of the cva going to hmrc the higher the bill any bill is.

TV reporting that a cva could be near as well.

I must have been watching another programme
What exactly did the BBC prove?
Not trying to defend what's went on - the whole situation is horrendous - but the programme was bit toothless, with a bit of mud slinging and innuendo for good measure.
If this is the quality of the CASE against RFC it's no wonder it's taken this long to get a decision on ANYTHING.?

bil72

27 May 2012 16:25:02
If the ticketus deal was for season ticket sales over the next 3years would it have been possible for rangers only to take money at the gate thus rendering the deal void and leaving cw to pick up the £27 million bill if it was secured against him?

NO
THINK WE DONE THIS TO DEATH ABOUT 6 weeks ago

bil72

Its for the seats!Jeeze you people really oughta take an interest in your dying club.The most uninformed fans on the planet.

@3 try the most lied to fans on the planet!

3# nah,most blinkered fans ever.Remember this was all over the net but it was a Timmy conspiracy!Even your ex players were at it.Get ready for the walking away rubbish to be proved as empty rhetoric.

Thats the fellow.... Try ripping someone else off! Ffs if ticketus hadnt provided the funds in the first place you wouldnt have folded months ago! Now all of a sudden there the bad guys and lets no pay them! Scandalous shameless!!

27 May 2012 14:53:14
Is it true if Rangers sold season tickets now the money is legally required to go into CVA. So D&P are not looking after creditors by selling tickets to pay creditors??

If d&p start selling season tickets & rangers end up liquidated should the fans just forget about the money as we too are going to lose but then again most other fans seem to think rangers fans (and their familys deserve no better) well I pay my taxes just like you and could not afford to lose £450 ffs grow up the fans are not responsible the owners & board are.

27 May 2012 14:28:12
"The Quantum of all the offences, without doubt should finish the club indefinitely. Never to return"

I agree that the greatest damage ever done to Scottish football has been carried out by Rangers.

I agree that a balanced set of penalties should be applied.

That is why I cannot understand why Rangers are still listed as second place in last years SPL. And still in the SPL for next season.

After not paying the £13m this year alone. They should have been dropped to last SPL place and relegated at least. But to lift second place prizemonies is scandalous. (and remain in SPL).

Correct.The whole of the football world thinks it's unfair but they are still so powerful nothing happens.SFA----too many with Rangers links.We all know who should resign but doesn't happen.All that's wanted is a fair game.We need to see that done.

Nice to see no name' for a change!! bbb :o)

Campbell Ogilvie's position is hopelessly conflicted, he was paid from the channel islands tax free for working in Glasgow. Ffs it's tax evasion, as a Rangers Director. And now as the SFA is to regulate Rangwrs for these very activities, he has the gall to try and remain as president of SFA.

27 May 2012 11:43:34
I usually thought commenting was stupid, but for this blog i shall give it a go. Im loving it!

27 May 2012 10:36:50
D&P admitt the did not know the rules when taking the SFA.... What does that say about the mob incharge of Rangers affairs.... Someone incharge must have some knowledge of how the rules work.... or is it the blind leading the blind.

Sandy Jardines still at Ibrox as is Ally, advising them on footballing matters.
Indeed Walter called Ally the present equivalent of CEO.

27 May 2012 09:52:55
USA v Scotland 5 v 1! USA are 19 places above Scotland in the rankings and they ran through Scotland. Embarrassing display and result, was it the heat, the flight or just we are not good enough and in developing the players. 44,000 turned up for the match pretty good attendance.

Guessthe answer is to give Walter and Ally jobs at the SFA to sort it out.

Watch Ally walk away than hang around in Div3 with teens.

27 May 2012 09:42:09
Hi rangers fans evertonian here. Firstly rangers are one of my favourite clubs because of my grandad. whatever happens you are to big a club to disappear and you will return to same level you are now.

However the reason I post is because I have read and heard a few fans slating David Moyes for taking jelly (and Naismith it seems) and can't believe it. If it weren't to us another team would take them. the two clubs have had a great relationship for a long time and I hope that continues for a longer time.


Anyway goodluck.

Cropper imwt

Yeah we needed the money, bankrupt anyway but the Jelavic money and tax non payment £13m got us to the end of the season to grab second place.

Everton fan dont think so, if you are a Rangers fan,no matter how bad it is with your morally corupt club dont hide

I wish all the patronising fans of english teams would just f**k off. we don't need or want their support or sympaty. We are the most successful club in the world and will soon show why. Who are everton?Our club is a global institution and will never ever be allowed to die. WATP

54 and.....COUNTING!!!!!

3# Typical.This is why people want you punished and hit hard.Oh,the 54 and counting quote will come back and bite your ass,you can bet on that

3. who are you going to show ? i think real madrid, liverpool, ac milan, inter milan. bayern munich, ajax, barcelona, manchester united, nottingham forest, and others including celtic will listen to you when you win the big cup. do you really believe the above clubs would swap their record for yours ? there is a mathematical solution to this. the ec has been in existence since 1955. 57 years. if you divide 57 by the number of times each nation has had a winner you get a figure. e.g scotland 57/1. so 57 scottish league titles are worth 1 ec.
spain would be 57/13 so 4.38 spanish titles are worth 1 ec.
england 12 so 57/12 so 4.75 epl titles.
italy 57/12 same as england and so on.
it seems to me if you want to make claims like rangers try to do you need to compare how the champions of each league fare when they compete with one another. rangers are nowhere.

27 May 2012 08:47:17
All this talk of FIFA hitting Rangers with sanctions due to the latest D&P court case...subtle point I know but surely since administration any actions taken are those taken by the court appointed administrators not the board of RFC? So why should the club be hit? I shd add this is a post admin point - no excuses for the period before. Malcy

Perhaps because the administrators are actually running the club at present.

27 May 2012 07:43:51
im a tim and at the start of this saga was one who was shouting for heads to roll me for one allways new something was not right and on many occasion said rangers were cheating and was proved to be right ,BUT this saga has went on long enough rangers or who is in charge stop dragging your feet and cooporate fully ,and those at hampden do your job your paid very well to do this has went on long enough ther has been a crime set the punishment if rangers dont except it let eufa sort it out its the govening body and bring this sh=t to a head it has draged on long enough time to go forward ,jodrok

Prevarication is the word. It's backfired though the longer it goes on the closer we get to the truth. Now pending, we have ineligible players in hundreds of matches,breaking UEFA code regarding courts, illegal payment to former manager and the president of the sfa was a director of the club during most of this. Scandal is not the word.

Remeber the "What have the Romans done for us?" scene in "The Life of Brian" Could be rewritten as"What have Rangers been guilty of -apart from that?" it could run and run.

27 May 2012 02:52:13
watching scotland game and mulgrew and brown are cack. how does mulgrew get player of the season for celtic when hes a bottle merchant and rubbish player.

Rangers fan? So only Brown and Mulgrew are cack. Pah!!!

Mulgrew got it as had a great season.The fact you don't like 2 Celtic players out of the whole team is perhaps because you have blue tinted glasses.They have every right to be in the Scotland team as both are inspirational players.It's sad when you can't be unbiased.No wonder other fans(of all clubs)are loosing their patience and you loose the 'good will' that is around.Wake up and see not everyone wants the club to disappear.Be generous to others in your thoughts as they can be to you!

Or is is it because they play for the Champions?

Wasn't McGregor in goal. He let 5 past him. Stop this anti-Celtic stuff.
Al

The scotland team are "Cack" because of
the manager. levein is not the man for
the job.

There you have it, the abuse of Celtic players on Scotland duty continues right up to this day. They can't stop themselves.

Levein should have been sacked the day he played a 4-6-0 formation.

The fact that they play a full season and its a friendly means nothing....the players deserve a break, and the season is one thing where the friendly is another...what was mcgregor doing with 5 goals?? i think your hate for Celtic shows you up because im sure if they scoared or had the best game you would still be shouting out hate at them.......that is the part of your club that i am glad would die and hopefully never have to hear from again.

I support all who play for scotland even if they do play for celtic but i cant stick them any other time...i dont hate them just cant stick them....did you understand that before i get accused of hating everything celtic...

Tam-Sir 1873 Loves Scotland...

You're playing with words now.'Can't stick them' just because they play for Celtic-----odd logic that.'Hate' might be too strong for you (??)but it sounds as if that's what you're trying to convey

27 May 2012 01:57:34
Whilst watching the BBC documentry did anyone else think 'Rougue trader?'

Perhaps, their has been a conspiracy to strip rangers, not by the SPL SFA or celtic minded people, but by greedy ****s.

I wont be to explicit, I am sure you can guess what i mean.