Rangers Banter Archive July 27 2012

27 Jul 2012 22:55:24
Well I hate to say it but mr Green has sold us down the river? The ebt inquiry will go ahead and we will probably lose titles. This was our chance to call their bluff and stand our ground, but all mr green is interested in is money.Sad sad day. I for one will not be renewing my season ticket while green is at the helm

Don't be so stupid. What was the alternative? No membership? No football at Ibrox at all?
At least now we can get back to playing football and trying to make a success of thing again.

To the OP....

I may be in the minority but to be honest....

....Feck titles, if it's losing ALL the titles and still having my club to support or having history that ends dead NOW and no TEAM, I choose to buy my book and support Ally and the Gers of today.
All this bollo about standing our ground and protesting this that and the other is a waste of time and grey matter, they f*cked us, it happened, GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON!
I'll be buying a book and attending as many games as I can to support my team, call me a mug if you like but I know what I am........

A Rangers fan, come rain, shine or Junior football...I'll be there!

Will you.....?

Charli3.

There was no bluff to call

Op i must agree with post @1 Green fought our case but in the end if we did not accept the deal then we would not have seen the team on the park this season. would you rather have had that scenario?

JG

27 Jul 2012 22:45:10
GAME ON NOW LETS GET BACK TO WHERE WE BELONG SCOTLANDS No 1#
W.A.T.P

I'm a Ger through and through, but you're bonkers mate, big time.....

27 Jul 2012 22:23:47
Ranger's home tickets can only be purchased by cash or cheque at present because Visa will not allow Sevco facilities and will not accept liability for refunds in the event Rangers are refused SFA membership.
They are also requesting legal guarantees before allowing facilities moving forward which have not been forthcoming from Mr Green.

This is a further potential impact on revenue as it puts pressure on fans to have cash available for all match day tickets. {Ed039's Note - Visa have nothing to do with it, the streamline machines are on licence from an organisation or bank and the machines are prob still linked to oldco accounts)

Ed, negotiations with credit card companies are different from management of streamline facilities. ie you can choose which cards to accept and the rates negotiated vary by card company. Whilst streamline facilities would need to be set up with Metro Bank to process transactions, the individual credit card companies can either refuse availability or place conditions on their use.

27 Jul 2012 20:47:41
have any of us wondered why the spl and sfa are hammering rangers just now ...... could it not be the case of rangers and celtic have been bullying these bdies for years and are manovering us into a position where we wont be able to do so again , celtic need to take heed as it will also happen to them if they are ever in such a vulnerable position that we find ourselves just now

Much as I'm still of the opinion that a lot of this was self-inflicted and that the governing bodies have followed well established rules in everything bar the disrepute charge. I do agree that under similar circumstances Celtic would have been in the same position as Rangers are. However where there might be one difference is that without a board Rangers had became a rudderless ship during those crucial early months with a number of PR own goals. Whatever you think of their loyalty, McCoist and Jardine are not, and never will be, diplomats. Threats of boycotts, marches, demanding names of tribunals bought Rangers no favours, trying to sign Cousin was crass at best. I'd imagine with a board in place Celtic would have avoided some of these landmines.
Gaz {Ed039's Note - Thats a great point Gaz)

27 Jul 2012 20:05:31
Doncaster should be ousted immediately from his precarious position. Let's look at some of his cock ups in this sorry affair.

He makes threats to SFL clubs to put us into div one with pictures of doom and gloom
He states that we were not allowed entry doe to sporting integrity.
He then bribes the SFL clubs with promises of hastily arranged league changes, to persuade the SFL clubs to put us into div one.
He then criticised them for coming to the same decision of sporting integrity as SPL clubs, and blames them for the potential demise of the game.
He then demands money from SFL clubs as Sky want to show our games in the third div rather than the dross of SPL. Our club is not wanted but our money is.
He apparently assured Green that SPL 2 would be started if SFL voted against div one. The SFL chairmen then called a motion of no confidence in him. So he could not do that.
We are now less than two days away from the start of the season and a temp licence will be issued so this farce can go on for another week.
He has not put one foot right in this whole fiasco and should resign immediately, and if he chooses not to take the honourable decision then he should be removed immediately.

He has caused a difficult situation to become a farce. We are a laughing stock, it is pathetic in the extreme.

Resign now!

I've been less than impressed by both Doncaster and Regan over the last few months. All the interefering they've been doing. Both should leave.

Actually I think the SPL should be wound up anyway. It hasn't worked long-term and was only created for a TV deal which has long since expired.

27 Jul 2012 19:28:16
who has been left in charge of the Big Tax Case its been left in the hands of the lawyers of Celtic, conflict of interest ? hmmmm
BALLYBOY {Ed039's Note - No its a financial matter not a footballing matter, all they are external contractors)

27 Jul 2012 18:06:21
Today has justified my decision of many years,why i left Scotland,it has become a inward looking vengeful little nation,far removed from our previous reputation,as honest,hardworking decent people.The people at the top,politicians,football blazers,now make our country look like the iron curtain countries of the sixties and seventies.Persecution of Rangers,a ritual crucifixtion,a disgrace,let us play football,and let us the fans support our team in its hour of need.

You cant be for real,i think you should hold such one sided rant for more pressings matters,
O I here a question whats views on tax evasion,the clubs unpaid,the smaller company the honest taxpayer that were fleeced,of all things to moan at must be

magic with you

OP. Ignore the 'default' reply above. You're correct. Scotland's become a shameful little nation. I mean this holier than thou crap? Really? Show me the guy who says he's lived a puritan life and I'll show you a liar. The state this nation is in can be summarized by the fact that the Celtic manager calls Rangers tax cheats whilst trying to hide 200K of his own cash from HMRC!. But let's not get to worried about that. His acolites will try to reinvent history. As always.

@ no 2, well said, sadly right. Tax avoidance happens everywhere at all levels, in many ways and rightly so ( if people really understood how the banking system really worked, they would agree with me, don't believe me, do your own research ). I bet Mr Lennon was told by advisers that it was legal, and he did not think he was doing anything wrong, just a thought, what advice did Mr Murry get at the start of this mess, did he mean to cheat or not, i'm undecided myself, what do you think ? P.S A central bank, the bank of england, which has share holders, loans the money that they make from nothing, to the government at intrest, the government then has to charge the population tax to pay the intrest and loan back to the bank of england, last year the bank of england was paid 45 billion in intrest alone, that money mostly went to them share holders. Its called fractional reserve banking...

Did he not pay tax and nat ins on his money before he done this just a thought garlar07

I strongly disagree with above posters who are attempting to attribute the disgraceful handling of the whole Rangers situation as a symptomatic reflection of Scottish society as a whole. While football may be the national sport in this country the opinions and attitudes of those who follow the sport should not be taken out of context. I feel proud of my country in our general approach to major social issues and do not think that the spiteful attitude of a vengeful minority should smear our national image.
James

OP you're the worst sort of individual any country needs. Suddenly it's the whole nation at fault for Rangers' crimes.
Don't come back! We don't need people like you in the country.
Scotland Forever!

27 Jul 2012 17:45:33
STV Website:

The Scottish FA are on the verge of granting a temporary membership to allow Rangers to play this weekend.

STV understands the governing body will allow the club to fulfil its Ramsdens Cup game with Brechin City, if holding company Sevco Scotland Limited agrees to meet certain conditions.

These include signing off on the transfer of the old company�s member share in the Scottish Premier League to Dundee, which Duff and Phelps have retained despite being compelled to hand it over to the Dark Blues.

Sevco Scotland Limited must also legally accept previous sanctions imposed by the Scottish FA, which will see the club banned from signing new players for one year from September 1.

The company must also sign to accept the full repayment of all football debt to other clubs. They have already verbally agreed to honour these conditions.

A source close to the discussions has told STV that the deal would allow Rangers to participate in matches until Friday, August 3. The transfer of the SPL share must be completed by this date.

An outstanding dispute between Charles Green and SPL chief executive Neil Doncaster has held up the permanent transfer of the club's Scottish FA membership to the new company.

The pair remain locked in discussions on Friday night to reach a compromise over the SPL�s investigation into alleged non-contractual payments made by Rangers last decade.

Green wants the probe to be dropped, while the league wants to be able to conclude the case and potentially strip titles from the club if found guilty.

If a settlement between Charles Green and can be reached on Friday night, full membership will instead be conditionally granted and the club will not be required to receive temporary dispensation to play.

Mac2.

I think the payment of debts to other football clubs should have a time limit. A club with such a poor record of administration cannot be trusted to do things properly ! {Ed039's Note - Charles green has that for sure do you know? I keep getting reminded tht was the oldco, those people are gone remember)

27 Jul 2012 17:24:28
Ed any word on sfa membership what sactions if any do you think we will accept ? Ger76 {Ed039's Note - Possible temporary registration as long as we accept footballing debt, fines on oldco and transfer embargo, but these are just ones that are to be promised to meet while other discussions are ongoing. Nothing signed and sealed so far though)

27 Jul 2012 16:24:57
lawell end of last season we dont need rangers now he's begging to his on fans whom have paid more this season with no gers game ,

Begging? Aye, whatever. Surely just doing what he's done every season but it's getting more publicity now, especially from those who want to use it as a pathetic attempt at oneupmanship.

God are you thick? he is sensing the oppurtunity to make more money out his support.. if they fall for it? their as mad as some our fans.. its all a bloody GAME. The directors will benifit and the fans of every club will pay through their noses, including US ..Wise up .....

Since when did we start listening to what he says?

Begging? Buy season tickets to support the team,begging? Begging is what Green is doing for a licence.

Think you may have struck a raw nerve there the beggers don't like to be called beggers lol

Probably just filling up his war chest in order to keep his foot on the jugular of Scottish Football . I thought though that most SPL teams are reporting an increase in season book sales (same in other leagues) ?

Paddy Malarkey

27 Jul 2012 15:53:39
See for once can we talk about football seen as we are actually a football team? Think people forget that.. So the team on Sunday if we get this licence.

Alexander
Broadfoot goian boca wallace
bedoya edu hutton kerkar
beattie McCulloch {Ed039's Note - Kerkar was out of contract with oldco Rangers and last I heard he was on trial at Charlton)

Feck me! are you sure we are not in the SPl with a team like that? Oh sorry I forgot we need to remember we are in the most competitive league in Scotland at the moment not the SPL.

Ozzie Al

Had promise, but no great miss

This guy is wanting to check who plays for us 1st

Am not in to that mate,why play guys who bleary don't have any long term future with us,the 3 Americans will be away shortly once they can get themselves another club,and they command to high a wage so must go.let's put our trust in the youth and hope a few senior lads,big jig maybe black an Beattie can offer them a bit of leadership.for years we have went on about Murray park not producing enough well the times come now so let's get behind them.incidentally still no word on a licence!?

Don't want to burst your bubble mate, but at the time of your posting, Rangers are not a football team.

That is why most people are more concerned with the SFA membership.

Mac2.

Wallace left mid, cole right back then broadfoot left back

Given that some these players are still on between £10,000 to £28,000 per week ,is it wise to play them ? how much money is currently being put into our wage bill at present. There is no way any team could afford to pay this amount through-out a season ? Shouldnt we be playing players from acadamy with small group old heads ie previous first div players etc(low wages bill)? this is insane! our wage bill at present must be sky high with all these guys still on books, and no reduction in wage negotiated, like tiime in admin? wages drooped by 75% to around £4000-£7000 then? and we still made loss.
This will see us bust before Christmas. Any season ticket money all ready in will be gone very quickly with these guys around? This is one major balls up on the cards............ {Ed039's Note - Whether they play or not they still get paid. If they haven't transferred then they need to play to stay sharp)

@5 that's why the original poster said 'if we get this licence' so you are not bursting his bubble as like the rest of us he is well aware of the situation.

Mac 2. I take it you are just being deliberately pedantic for the sake of your own amusement here? I will bite and be equally pedantic in return. I have read most of your posts and have noticed that you have a penchant for specifics when it comes to words, no matter how banal the argument becomes. It is also clear from how you write that you are intelligent and articulate enough to understand the following so please ignore the CAPS as they are for the 'hard of hearing'. Words can be manipulated to suit any argument in exactly the same manner as the politicians who mould statistics use the results to suit their own personal needs. I will give you two examples in relation to points you have recently raised to emphasise this point.

We ARE a football team. We do not require a licence to BE a football team. My five a side team is a football team, whether we are affiliated to a league or not, otherwise we would cease to exist every time the league ended despite playing all year round (we re-register yearly just as we did the first year we entered). However, we (back to Rangers - and it WILL always remain Rangers to Rangers fans) DO require a licence to PLAY our football team in the professional leagues.

Also, in response to the debate you were having with another poster re illegal parking and consequences/punishment. If the consequence of BEING CAUGHT (to circumvent the clever way you argued around the OP's point) parking illegally is a parking fine can you tell me what the punishment for said offence would be? I look forward to the answer to that question.

My point is that consequences can be positive or negative (reward or punishment if you will - Celtic rewarded with the league title as a consequence of collecting the most league points and Dunfermline punished [you can hardly call it rewarded if you are being honest] by way of relegation as a consequence of collecting the least amount of league points). Therefore, the consequences of an action can be found in the form of a punishment (or reward) and a punishment can be received as a direct consequence of an inappropriate action. They can be one in the same thing whilst at the same time retaining independent definitions dependent upon the context of the phrasing. In this case they are one and the same thing.

As a club we have behaved terribly in certain regards (and I include the 'alleged' Rangers fans who have issued death threats etc as well as the two chancers who caused the financial implosion within the club which has led us here) and we have been collectively punished pretty severely as a consequence. The punishment (or negative consequence for those still hard of hearing - of which I am sure there are many) for going into administration was the deduction of ten points, etc. Yes it was a consequence of our actions but it was also the pre-determined consequential PUNISHMENT for breaking the rules through those actions. I find it difficult to comprehend how it can be viewed as anything other than that.

Brian

Wallace left i must have missed that ! {Ed039's Note - Left mid it says)

27 Jul 2012 15:39:07
What time is deadline to receive licence ?... Jam {Ed039's Note - From what I have read it is "close of business today" so maybe 5pm, no updates so just dont know)

Just came a cross a wee rumour. We've all been slagging off Regan and Doncaster including me but... the SPL. SFA, SFL and Rangers still in administration as well as 'newco' Rangers all have to agree on everything before a licence can be granted.

But Green is supposedly going to sue Duff and Phelps part of the problem of obtaining the licence is a disagreement between Rangers in administration (D&P) and Green's Newco Rangers?

Just a thought

BARNEY BEAR

27 Jul 2012 14:48:50
Can some1 plz explain too me what the tv rights of rangers has too do with the spl? {Ed039's Note - Sky want the rights to Rangers games or they will not honour the deal offered to (but not signed by SPL), therefore the SPL want to buy the TV rights to Rangers games in the SFL to keep their broadcast agreement with sky viable)

27 Jul 2012 13:48:13
Aquote from Charles Green from Tue this week :

I'm really hopeful now that within the next 24 hours we can have this thing signed and sealed and Alistair can start loading his players on a team coach to go up and try to win a match on Sunday."

Much more guff do we have to listen to from this guy. He talks the talk but has has yet to walk the walk and deliver on anything.

Administration of the new-co not far off now and he and Mr Whyte will walk away, very wealthy men.

Its been the plan all along.

Port Bear

They maybe wealthy men ...... But they never made any of it from Gers

Disagree entirely mate and this is the kind of attitude we dont need just now. All im worried about is etting a winning team on that park. Cummon The Rangers.

27 Jul 2012 11:47:25
Deal apparently in the bag. Statement to be released this afternoon.

TTG

'In the bag.' You make it sound like a major victory for your new club.

In the bag means it's done ..... What part of that sounds like a major victory - away and take your besotted interest to some other club ya leech

Better than any hollow victories you lot will have this season!

Poster 3 ,and your tainted title with no opposition doug t.s.o

@4: and it's tainted in what way? What about any titles won by Rangers with players who were on dual-contracts (if proven)? They'll be tainted much more.

' tainted' means to pollute or corrupt, why would winning a title without cheating be tainted? learn the meaning of the word before using it. johnbhoy79

Poster 6 ,you been in the mitchell library again ,its your fellow supporters that have been using the word tainted in last 5 months ,look up the word cheating when your nex in there ,that word is more in line with what your lot have been doing for years doug t.s.o

Ffs johnbhoy are you for real the amount of presure put on refs every season by your bottlers is tantamount to cheating alone ! Ger76

27 Jul 2012 11:22:53
As an outsider looking at Ranger�s player issues � would it not be best to try and keep a minimal amount of experienced players and the rest of the squad should be made of kids from the youth set-up? Ranger�s should easily win the league and playing at this lower level for a few years you will get the opportunity to blood these youngsters and get them used to the rough and tumble of Scottish football. You would also save the club a lot of money on high wages which would be spent employing SPL veterans and every other has been you are recently linked with. By the time you are back in the SPL these youngsters should be matured footballers and should be able to cope with life in SPL. You never know you could unearth a few gems.

Andydee mufc

Well said Andy. All the best mate.

Its the way we should be going about this , but surely we need a stronger manager

27 Jul 2012 09:47:34
Heard something yesterday from my old man who works at Ibrox. He was working at the house of an office worker at Ibrox, who noticed last week that a car, a range rover, that was leased to a certain Craig Whyte, was seen outside a side entrance at the stadium. The car was the exact vehicle that Whyte had hired when he was owner, the canny staff member noticed the car, because she did the paperwork on it...now, what I am wondering is, is bomber brown actually telling them truth, he reckons Whyte and green are in bed together? A few wee things have been niggling away at me... I reckon it's not too far away from the truth is it? They are both money grabbing b#%$#ds... It makes sense for them to be working in cahoots with each other... There's a lot of money still to be had in both Ibrox and auchenhowie.... As well as a few quid to be saved in wages wi edu, Goian etc... Any sensible gers fan think the same? {Ed039's Note - Sorry but I think this is bull)

Do you honestly think green would have anything to do with whyte and risk everything he is trying to do for the club ,put it this way he is the only 1 thats done anything constructive so far and fought our case against the sfa and spl who were hoping we would buckle under pressure .ps. if we are playing this year id ask supporters to give the young boys a chance ,the ones that that dont give them encouragement stay away we dont need you doug t.s.o

Oh god not more Whyte bull crap really, if it's a lease car is it not plausible that some one else could have leased it? Or is that too far fetched as well?

Ed, u may think this is bull, but the sources are real, and the story is real.... Perhaps the bull part is that green and Whyte are working together,but my instincts tell me that Whyte is still involved somewhere, he is lurking... He still has some hold over rangers i am sure.... I don't trust green, not as far as I could throw him, granted, he came in when nobody else would show the money, like smith and Kennedy etc, but there's something still very very dodgy about the whole thing... Why was green picked in the first place when bill millers bid was better, even bill ngs bid was better... Anyway, back to the point... My old man has checked back the CCTV in the stadium, and has confirmed its Whyte, sneaking into the side entrance. Read into that what you like... {Ed039's Note - Glenn was picked because bill miller withdrew and bill ng had too many conditions attached to his offer. As for why're "sneaking" in, more bull in my opinion)

What a complete load of rubbish.Green also drives a range rover,possibly he just picked up the lease on it from Whyte,who would have leased it through rangers anyway.

It's not whyte that owns us it's ticketus. soon to be known !

Why did you ask the question of only sensible rangers fans because i wonder if you are where are all these so called rangers men where is there money green though not my first choice is the only show in town and we must back him if not the club will go bust i will put a name to you fergus mcann he came in said he was here short time made a few mill but left celti in a lot better shape than it was when he started so i dont care if green retires on his earnings from rangers as long as we still have a team to support so come on stop all this mud slinging step up buy the season tickets and lets climb back up ;;;cooperboy

Agree with you ED this story is pure bullcrap, all lease cars were returned as they under oldco, no monies to pay bill etc.

So let me get this right, Craig whyte drives up to the door at ibrox, jumps out, goes in for a meeting comes back out jumps in his hired car and drives away and only someone who works in the office sees this, or sees the hired car mmmmmmmm why would we ever doubt this story

JG

27 Jul 2012 07:48:42
I always follow GB in the Olympics, but am sorry watching the game last night I actually wanted GB to lose. If Pearce is actually trying to tell the Scottish nation that no Scottish player was good enough to play in that team then he shouldnt be coaching it.
Don {Ed039's Note - Is he tryin to tell us the Bolton forward is better than Jordan Rhodes?)

Couldn't agree more, Jordan Rhodes should have easily made that squad. Surely there should be some sort of rule i.e a minimum of 3 players from each nation, otherwise it should be called Team EW (England and Wales) but must say I enjoyed seeing Senegal score

Naw the sfa didny want any scots playing {Ed039's Note - True, but sOme were ready to go against that)

I fell asleep during that last night and woke up in the middle of Absolutely Fabulous wondering "What fresh hell is this?!!"

Stuart Pearce could not manage a s**t. BlackpoolBear

27 Jul 2012 02:00:08
Was reading earlier in the paper that Robbie Savage would consider coming out of retirement to help rangers.. if true (which i doubt) would love it

Your quick pal thats news from 2 days ago

27 Jul 2012 00:10:11
Windlass has offered his services, he is 43. Whilst I appreciate the offer, really?

Thanks but no thanks.

26 Jul 2012 23:24:18
Dean Windass the next retired has been who says he wants to help Ally.
I will not buy a season ticket to watch these geriatrics milking a last pay day out of us.
Give youth and decent level Scottish players a chance.

26 Jul 2012 23:11:30
Who gives a f@*k about loosing league titles? That was in the past this is the future. We can win plenty more.
Fresh start boys & girls lets just get on with the fitba! Who give a f@*k what the rest of them think? I do not.
Green you need to agree to the terms your going to save Scottish Football in the long run.
Im fed up hearing on here how other clubs should be punished? Or "I hope they all go bankrupt"! "Bitterness Rising" were better than that surely?
Lets save all the other teams from oblivion, the staff & players all have family's to feed why make them starve because were bitter? I do not think so.
We need a strong SPL to come back to.
In the end every one knows the Gers are the glue that bonds the SFA together!
With out us whats it going to bel like?
I can see it from the Players side as well i no where Ally is coming from when he says i will not except stripped titles. GUTED
But it is time to move on for the people

Allys an idiot , got to keep his mouth shut .... he is actually becoming pathetic ,and i for one would like to see him walk away very soon

Correct its not even the same team

26 Jul 2012 22:51:09
Hi fellow Gers. Just wondering how much longer all this crap can go on.Seems we get a wee speck of a positive and it's ripped from our hands. All the tv coverage and newspapers
filled with RFC over the past 6 months is getting me down.
Here we are @this present day squabbling for a chance to play in D3 ( with respect to all d3 teams )...how we " mighty
have fallen".

It's far to early in the day to make judgements on who's guilty or innocent or why is this and why is that ? I read lots of posts on different sights and independent articles from around the globe . You know what ?...you would find it
extremely difficult to find a solution to this that would suit
all parties. The great Clarence Darrow would wince at taking on the RFC case. There are very complex issue"s in this fiasco which will run for a long time.

When you open Pandora's Box all that that is left is Hope.
Nuff said.
Luvgers.

26 Jul 2012 22:51:24
SFL have removed all traces of rangers from there website. we now have Club 10 in division3