Rangers Banter Archive February 27 2012

27 Feb 2012 23:19:38
It isnt good reading as things stand. One definition of insanity is 'do the same thing and expect different results'. If we do the same as we have done, we will go into liquidation. We have papered over the shortfalls long enough. If you or i earned £400 a week but spent £600 we'd soon get a call from the bank manager asking whst the hell we were doing. Multiply by a lot and thats what rangers were doing. continuing this path is insane. BOTTOM LINE IS THIS - WE NEED A SAVIOUR AND WE NEED HIM NOW! Come on you big money rangers men, show us the money, show us you are the Real Mccoy and rescue us. Watp.

That's right give them all your money, that's what got them in this mess in the first place. Come all you big spenders buy the club now when it is riddled with debt and corruption, buy it now don't wait until it is liquidated, who would want a debt free club to start from scratch with?? Buy it now waste millions of your own money.

Pfft.

27 Feb 2012 23:08:34
I have yet to hear a rangers fan address the Murray dilemma. Would u sacrifice the fabulous success SDM brought to the club? 9 in a row, total domination in Scotland, nearly greatness in Europe? If u could make all the current sh*t go away, would u give that success up? Is that success tainted by dodgy dealings or financial mismanagement? Do u deserve all this sh*t? U certainly enjoyed the success? Thoughts? Jhimbhoy

Jhimboy maybe im a bit young but i remember the 9 in a row days & loved it murray does have to answer questions are the title's tainyed imo no because on the day the players on the park worked as a team &/or performed better.

us the fans dont deserve this but the club tbh it depends on who knew what regarding ebt's ect all i can say is what's for us wont go by us

wr_86_rfc

"Tainted titles"- utter nonsense. Nothing to do with nine in-a-row. It's a point of law also with the ebts, not knowing tax evasion like celtic routinely dabbled in with the old "esTIMated" attendances. A bit of tax avoidance that may POSSIBLY have gone wrong. The bitter and twisted moral majority could really do with giving it a rest on the history rewrites.

27 Feb 2012 22:48:43
When I look back over this last few weeks and read all the info about the Rangers I can't help thinking what a Fxxxin mess. Spoke to the accountant at work today and he said
A 4 year old could have done a better job than this lot.
SDM must have looked at this impending disaster for years.
How can we sell off the catering, merchandising, season tickets under CW. These items would be the main streams of revenue. Let's be honest Murray park has been on the g
Go for ages and what have we produced by the way of world
Class players ? Not a lot.

We need a rethink on our approach to the game. Let's look at clubs who make the grade in Europe and have stadiums that hold 20 thousand punters , no sugger daddy, no mega TV deal. How can they survive and we are about to go Ti ts up. Before we all wish for a Arab oil billionaire to take over Rangers and pump £££££$£££££ billions in so we can start humping timmy again let's ask where we go when the billionaire get brassed of pumping all his cash into a football
club. The accountant has explained what happens our clients credit score is low or zero . We ask customers to pay upfront
How bad would this be for the Rangers cash flow.

How could Lloyds and SDM not know the workings of CW I have done a credit score today on lots of CW business ventures what a trail of bust businesses and blanked payments. This man has made some horrendous business decisions resulting in lots of ordinary punters being blinked
Out of wages. Make no mistake this guy is out to better CW and no one else.
It has been reported that SDM put this guy in to take the hit for him. I am now starting to think this could be true.

I am a sales rep and you tend to get a feel for good guys who you trust and do lots of repeat business with and then you get the fly by night ,5 card tricks one bad deal and you tend to chase them for cash till they go bust then next week they reopen as Craig White not so bright Ltd
Lets take a vote would you deal with or offer credit to this clown if you were one of the following.
Football agent
Bank
Travel agent
Drinks supplier
Etc etc
Not a chance rangers will never move forward if this clown is any where near this business. Rangers need good people with integrity. I could buy and sell and confuse this clown. We need to see CW is no business whiz kid. If mr CW touches a business it ends up bust or has a string of unpaid accounts.
Your in the cause Bro J

@ Bro J; sensible post mate. dont you think this is what whyte planned all along? even now,before the tax case results,the debt levels are rising every day,and with no credit line, thats makes it impossible to run any company never mind a football club with plenty large salaries.any accountant will tell you liquidation is the only way forward or hope for a result in the tax case and find a buyer.it's a disgrace that decent gers fans are being put through this,but i honestly think his plan is to liquidate and start up again.in purely buisness terms thats what makes sense,but that dont make it right.........green jhedi {Ed001's Note - or sell players and use the youth team, run the club on an extremely tight budget with little expectation from huge numbers of fans, enabling the club to avoid spending anything in the future and become a very profitable entity? Obviously that is if the club can survive, but it is a long term plan to making money.}

Ed001; thats the way both clubs shoulda been run mate.i dont see the point of having state of the art training centres if you dont give the young players a go.i think in lennon and mccoist we have the managers who can make the fans buy into this over time.drop the crazy wages and the season book prices over three years and we both would be much healthier.........green jhedi {Ed001's Note - I always thought that was the whole reasoning behind Murray Park, but then it can take 10-15 years to see the effects of a youth system. Ron Atkinson certainly didn't get to enjoy the fruits of the one he built at Old Trafford, but Ferguson did.}

Ed001;yea i always wondered why ferguson got all the credit for the youth programme at utd.i still believe he played them all out of desperation and got lucky they took to top team football so well..........green jhedi {Ed001's Note - I think he knew how good they were, though people forget just how experienced that side actually were. Giggs had played a lot of games by then, Schmeichel, Bruce, Pallister, Irwin, Keane, Cantona were all very experienced international footballers. So there were only 3 or 4 kids in the team most games, and they have plenty of experience on the bench too. It was a very well balanced side. Oh and I nearly forgot Andrei Kanchelskis was an experienced international as well. Suddenly it doesn't look like the team of kids the media was telling everyone we were watching does it?}

27 Feb 2012 22:20:32
Leave you tonight bears with this
thought, you keep saying we Tims are
"obsessed" with Rangers, no we're not
just enjoying seeing you all squirm
when we mention "Jelly and Ice Cream"
But the real obsession is with all
The Rangers chairmen trying to
emulate Glasgow Celtic, FIRST BRITISH
WINNERS OF EUROPEAN CUP.
A cup Rangers Fc tried to buy their
way to, and failed miserably...
The Lisbon Lions gave pride to
Scottish football, what have Rangers
given?..................000000000000
hail hail Timalloy

Buy? Aw well sounds better than you accusing us of Cheating for once. It's pathetic that Celtic fans have to live in the past due to their current bad footballing days. And to answer your snide question. The first club in the world to take 50 domestic titles(54 now). WATP and always will be!
Dtp89

You always will be the people ............. eh .............. well probably until the end of March, when you will be bl00dy extinct.

David Atenbrough will be the only person commenting on you. You'll share the same fate as the Dodo.

A dodo? There you go, referring to the past again haha yees just can't help yourselfs can you? WATP
Dtp89

He's just getting some practice in Dtp89, for talking about rangers in the past tense;)

taco

Taco rangers were actualy founded in 1872 so u need to know ur football more im 13 and know that
AndyBear98

The official founding is 1873 son. shame on your parents for allowing you to be up so late on a school night, but i like the fact that you only disagreed with the date:D

taco

Taco your a clown!
Dtp89

27 Feb 2012 21:30:55
Why don't all players over £5k per week not take a cut .this amounts to about 90% of the first team and would save around £100k + per week savings.just for 2 months would save the club nearly £1million and offer the administration team more finances to stave off redundancies.

Because players are greedy b@stards, thats why they'd rather move on than take a wage cut.
at the end of the day, these guys get paid extremely well for a few hours 'work' per week, and unlike the rest of us, if they underperform they don't get the sack, they just get to sit in the stand and wait till some other mug offers them more money.

repect is due to any rangers player who accepts wage cuts at this time


taco

Why should the players take a wage cut when the administrators are racking up astrinomical fees.

First decent thing youv ever posted taxo. tedbear

Taco have u seen smeltics wage bill recently ur wage bill is gonna het ur little dhim tims in dept up to their eyeballs AGAIN
AndyBear98

27 Feb 2012 21:17:48
got my tickets for saturday,going to chant for 90 mins,and stay for the 90 mins,do you hear me subway loyal,the 90 mins,thats the least your team expects,More Than A Club.Rangers

Just barely alive;rangers..........green jhedi

Lets hope its chants about past players etc for 90mins m8...all this talk about whye,murray,taxman,THERE is one person flying way beyond the radar here� getting the stick he truely deseves,ALLY MCOIST!!has managed to get put out all cup competitons,blowin a MASSIVE lead in the title race&this whilst jelavic was playing,yet will here all the sympathy votes,about managing gers at there lowest point in there history...his record is shocking&if was any other manager,would have had p45 a while back....

Ally hasn't been funded to build a team, because ther was a plan all along to go into admin. And if you remember.. At the start if the season when ally had a strong team he went a record unbeaten run. So f off.
Ally Mccoist.. Gets legend
Dtp89

He's got the same team minus naismith and latterly lafferty.he needs to prove himself.

Facts and stats are there.take off yer red white n blue specs m8,his recordis appalling!dont give that money bull,as he spent about same as celtic,yet his signings were poor,apart from goin,as bedoya no great,mckay hi bye!ortez,seeya!have bloody cheek playing wallace,when owe hearts for him,&poor aluko only decent player on show,even mcshagger not worth what he was 1or two years ago,davies,shadoe of player he was,papac,ofski soon,with another 10to 15,then ally can moan moan and greet to the peeeeeeeeeeeple,its an injustic,an INJUSTICEwee ally calamero!stevo...

He's got the same team what about millar and jelavic from last year that's 35 goals plus the 20 naismith and lafferty give you, add Weiss, weir, bougy and doiuf and you will find its far from the same team.

The same team from the start of te season he was proving a point to the person who said rangers went on a record unbeaten rub

27 Feb 2012 21:11:25
You would think fans of Ceptic would be happy with clawing back a massive gap,winning their last 19 or 20 games or just even being on track for a treble, but no despite all these things they still would rather trawl Rangers sites posting their nonsense about Jelly and Icecream and clutching at straws trying to get past trophies stripped from the records. so here is a tip-leave the obsessing about the Gers to us bears and focus on your own lot.

What would you do if it was the other way round?

Totally agree, dont mind a bit of banter but the jelly and ice cream is getting on my t**s. There also seems to be the same names from the other side spouting. Their hatred for Rangers is evident. But its always good to remind them, most succesful club team. 54 and counting. We welcome the chase!

You mean just walk away? We don't do walking away!

Miko x

Your gonna need binoculars to focus on us soon.........green jhedi

4iar, aye right you are then.

This is a banter site un-named poster, if you can't take or give a bit of banter don't come on to these pages! Your mob were on the Celtic page giving it "the big i am" at the start of the season! Now that your behind and up the creek without a paddle you moan about Celtic fan's berating yous!

I personally don't care if you get titles stripped or even dropped to division 3! I am ecstatic as you won't be able to compete with a healthy Celtic for the next 4/5 years. That's enough for me, no season ticket money...no catering money... and all your tax payments, you'll be lucky to compete financially with Hibs. Oh that's right you can't..... Jorge Claros!

Jelly and ice cream all round!

DazzaBhoy

We're delighted at the fact we're on course for the treble, went on a 20 game winning run, and 23 points ahead in the league.

but we're also delighted at the fact you lot are in the position you're in, laughing at you trying to claim irregularities from celtic in the 60's, laughing at your claims a name change means we went out of business, laughing at you hawking your club like a wh@re to anyone who has more than £1 coin to their name, laughing at your paranoia (refs, SFA, SPL, BBC, UEFA, Daily Record), laughing at your saverangers website, laughing at your claims of dignity and class

taco

I'll have some of that Daz!

Miko

Dazzaghirl name and shame them then? probs talking a lot of donkey like keith lemmon over at parasite! us rangers fans probs never knew that such a site like this existed with you lot lol, ohhhhh.....wait.......it does you use OURS! the daily rebel sais it all for your transfer rumours and shizz, time you went to bed for school the morrow hen!, stewie

Have a pop and gloat at us by all means , got nae problem with that , but see thist jelly and ice cream crap its up there with that stupid poznan thing yous do as the most anoyin and cringey as you could get , change the record dafties eh , tedbear

Aye yous are that delighted taxo but yous still cany fill yir big tin hut , tedbear

Cann i just say though dazzabhoy?, IF celtic fans are apparently yeah apparently supposed to be the best support? why not be the better people and not react so basically you are just as bad! Yeah your just as bad as us, see we should have been the better people and never went on to your sites as your CLAIMING because it does cause arguements and also celtic and rangers are just unpredictable cos looks what's happened? (LOYAL BEAR)

27 Feb 2012 20:36:12
after seeing a post on here last night and replying to it. It has struck me how much like celtic supporters we have become paranoia is rampant we turn on anyone who wont stroke our egos and say everything is going to be ok and believe the world is against us we see plots everywhere. the person who posted last night about there being a group of clubs awaiting outcome of tax case before launching a lawsuit against rangers was telling the truth as i said in my reply my wife is a law clerk at this firm at present they are looking into the feasibility of suing for loss of revenue and prize monies there are 5 clubs involved at present hearts who instigated it celtic dundee utd motherwell and queen of the south but another 8 clubs have been approached anyone who thinks no one would do this to us is deluded all clubs have a duty to maximise thier revenue stream the whole case would rest upon there being proof that there was a problem with contracts as in what was in the sunday sun yesterday if this is true players registration is nullified because they have 2 contracts this is illegal and should mean any game a player played in who had 2 contracts will now be seen as a 3 nil defeat and tables may and i stress may retrospectively have to be adjusted the sfa will have that decision in scotland and uefa in european competition then and only then would this lawsuit then become a possible bigger problem than the big tax case as clubs will sue for lost european revenues lost prize monies for league and cup placement and revenue drops when relegated it is being talked about in this law firm as the biggest case they would ever have handled and would tie us up in court for years and put of any serious investment in the club which i think is the main reason for this claim

A load of convoluted rubbish,where will this go next,it will serve no purpose,for any club to try and sue Rangers in a court of law,scare stories from bar room lawyers,cant wait for the tax case to come to an end,and this pathetic garbage to go down the sewer where it belongs.

That could happen if rangers are guilty then sfa would have to put rangers in the 3rd division for cheating then the problems would get worse for rangers after that

Aye can imagine it the now Queen of the South QC honest we were taken our games to Hampden full house they owe us£1,000,000.gees us a break.The S*n you watching the news the most corrupt paper in circulation ask the people of Liverpool.

I looked at the SPL, Scottish Cup and Scottish league cup winners from when the EBTs started. If it happens although unlikely, that Rangers have their titles revoked because of illegal player registration this is the teams that can sue for non participation and loss of european revenue.
Celtic 3 CLplaces, Aberdeen 1 CL place and 2 Uefa, Kilmarnock 2 uefa places, Dundee Utd ! Cl and 2 Uefa places, Hearts 4CL places and 4 Uefa places Motherwell 1 CL and 1 Uefa place.
These are just from SPL.
This is not counting Scottish cup and League cup titles that could be invalidated.
This is up to £26,500,000 just for European participation.
I used the figures from what Rangers received in participation money. This does not account for other revenue such as merchandising or catering profits for each european match.
Maybe Celtic dont need it but the other clubs do.

Its a load of crap, this all blowing out of proportion, paper talk as per, you do realise that the paper would make anythin up just to sell! for example that dude that owned portsmouth.apparently interested in buyin us and it turns out thats the 1st he heard of it himself! the majority of the players we have has been in the team well before the uefa cup final and IF their was any spectulation at all then HMRC would have been after us years ago, the 2 contracts is 1 sign for the team, agree to wages per week, goal bonuses etc etc and 2. the player inurance side of it i.e just incase of injury, work permit etc if their from somewhere else. players like beasley, edu, darcheville, cousin, hemdani all of them, give it a by guys eh, cos we are in a mess everybody wants to bully us and corner us by RUMOURS, SPECTULATION. stewie

27 Feb 2012 19:58:56
Alan McGregor looked good in the new
GREEN Scotland goalkeepers strip.
We told you GLASGOWS GREEN AND
WHITE.

Mcshagger would retire 1st

Seen the players kit its blue and white i told u SCOTLANDS blue and white seen the team gb strip its red white and blue BRITTANS RED WHITE AND BLUE as for celtic their place is the bin
AndyBear98

27 Feb 2012 19:31:31
If you go down to Ibrox today, you're sure of a big surprise .

If you go down to Ibrox today you'll never believe your eyes

Cuz super ally has no cash , soon no place to sing the sash

Todays the day the teddy bears have their pitch nicked!

Miko x

27 Feb 2012 19:12:12
All Rangers Players should take
100% cut they have taken loads
over the years...but guess what!

They have mortgages to pay and families to feed!

Aye Jamie Ness, Andrew little, gregg wylde etc are loaded.

27 Feb 2012 18:53:01
If craig whyte stays chairmen of rangers,will he be able to sell assets for his own profit.Or sell land to private house builders.I believe there must something long term in it for himself.This man is no fool.I can personally vouch for that ,having had dealings with the above mentioned.

If you had dealings with him in what context was it? Property? Investment? Where you treated properly as his M O seems to suggest otherwise.

27 Feb 2012 16:02:09
Ed,could you please clear up apart from fan ticket money and tv money what other income is the club taking in,what is that in comparisin to the monthly bills?,secondly in your opinion would you say rangers more likely to go bust than come out of adminastration {Ed001's Note - most clubs receive merchandising money, obviously Murray saw fit to sell that particular income stream a while back. Now the only real income stream left is any online income. Right now that is only a very small amount, due to the TV deal blocking live streaming of the game online, certainly not enough to keep the club afloat right as it stands. Player sales are the only real short term income available to keep the club afloat, they should be able to provide enough, the club can agree some deals now for the summer even, to see it through.}

(for ppl in uk ..use "hotspot shield" this gives you an american ip address.... then go to rangers live streaming page .. pay.. watch game...simple no geographical restictions.... all money goes to the club... jsm

Ed - how can Rangers sell players now outside of the transfer window? {Ed001's Note - deals can be agreed at any time, it is just the actual move can only be done within a transfer window. So Rangers could set up deals to sell McGregor etc and then trade with that as a future guarantee of monies to come. It is risky, highly risky, but the club may have little choice, unless the buying club agrees to make advance payments, which is possible too.}

Surely more glamour friendlies should be arranged to try to generate more income, things like this should be considered./biggles

Visiting teams will expect a fee for friendlies - the bigger the team, the bigger the fee.

27 Feb 2012 17:45:30
Does anyone know there is any protests at Ibrox this Saturday and also do we think it will be another full house?

Bought my tickets today,not many left,good show bears,keep it up,and Please stay for 90 minutes,not much to ask is it,lets make some noise,back the lads to the hilt,ONE CLUB,RANGERS.

Walk Away it's The Rangers Way.

70 minutes gone ............... time to head for the exits chaps.

27 Feb 2012 17:33:17
Jim White: Where are the missing millions?

Craig Whyte: Well ah, er, there is eh, no missing millions, and ahhhh ,errrr wellll every penny and ahhhh is, is, is, was, is accountable for and was will be errrr, accounted and ahhh, errrr, so the administration errr will see every,, ahhh penny.

No wonder the fans can't get an answer from the man. He makes Boris Johnson look like a shakespearian actor.

For the first time in 2 weeks I have laughed - well done that was exactly the way he was - really a credible witness - no wonder the Sherriff said he was "wholly unreliable"!!

Yeah but Jim White asked the question then time and dated it as well, Whyte is going to be found out again to be the liar he is. Ger4ever

Dunno if your a ger or a tim, but that was fkn class haha
Dtp89

Cheers folks. With all this insanity and uncertainty, sometimes you need to afford yourself the occasional laugh.

from "Me Here"

27 Feb 2012 17:23:54
Craig whyte ...Honest everything is alright .No missing millions and I have a plan .Aye ok Craig and we all know what that is ..hmm

27 Feb 2012 16:44:05
I also meant to say to DJ the fans were also singing 'we're gonna win the league' I take it you don't find that funny ?

It was funny ,,,made me laugh when there`s not much to laugh about just now

Get a grip mate. i thught you were talking about the rest of the songs being sang by a minoriy of fans
dj

I am a Celtic man,and to be honest there was some dodgy (to say the least) singing. In truth I thought the "were gonna win the league" was very tongue in cheek and pretty funny.

Dannybhoy

27 Feb 2012 15:49:50
I see Lafferty is out for another 6 weeks, obviously something to do with having to pay money to Burnley. On another note, I wasn't at the game yesterday but watched it at home & had to laugh at the songs our fans were singing, at least we can have a laugh even in these troubled times. Stuz

How what songs were you laughing at?
dj

Lafferty has played 101 games for Gers so I doubt they have a clause after 103 games?

J

League games??

Lafferty is a relatively high earner and has a sell-on fee due to Burnley after another 2 league games. Important player, yes, but his potential resale value has been apparently been deemed less than it would cost to keep him on for the next 5-6 months.

Unfortunately this means he is in line for the chop this week, 100%; from a reliable source. Watch this space.

27 Feb 2012 15:19:16
The future of Rangers Football Club could potentially be a watershed moment for Scottish football and the prospect of a supporter-owned club may be the catalyst for similar changes to the ownership structure within the game.

Craig Whyte’s disastrous governance over Rangers has brought to the fore the serious issues of the single-person ownership model of a football club which is still very prominent in the United Kingdom.

A number of high-profile ex-players of the club have come out in support of potential fan ownership and the Rangers Supporters Trust, whose sole aim is to facilitate fan representation on the board, have been in early discussions with the likes of former director Paul Murray over a potential supporter ownership model.

Germany has led the way in supporter ownership of clubs and its model is widely-envied across European football. The astute management of clubs and the fan-orientated nature of German football has propelled the Bundesliga to become one of the best leagues in Europe over the last few seasons.

Licensing

Supporter Liasion Consultant for Supporters Direct Stuart Dykes explains: “Clubs must submit their accounts by the middle of March for the following season to show they will be able to financially compete in the league.

“The League financial experts and if they feel there’s something there that’s not realistic then they have the power to force clubs to alter their spending accordingly.

“They have now also introduced in-season checks and comparing their submitted accounts with what they spent during the season.”

The Deutsche-Fussball-Liga (DFL) impose strict regulations on the 36 Bundesliga clubs every season with the governing body insisting that “all clubs of the Bundesliga and 2. Bundesliga have to meet the criteria in the ‘Lizenzierungsordnung’ and its respective appendixes.

“These are sporting, legal, administrative, infrastructural, and financial (economical efficiency) criteria as well as criteria concerning security and media.”

The written constitution of the Bundesliga has certainly been enforced when necessary and not just used as a deterrent to clubs who insist on racking up large debts.

Two years after the inception of the German Bundesliga in 1963, the league governing body revoked the license of Hertha Berlin for financial irregularities and in just 2010, there were serious doubts over the financial stability over 1860 Munich, Unterhachingen and Arminia Bielefeld.

In the 1990s, Dynamo Dresden, Fortuna Dusseldorf, Rot-Weiss Essen and SV Waldhof Mannheim were just some of the clubs who were demoted to the lower leagues by the DFB for a variety of different reasons – mainly, not being able to meet the forecasted predictions in their submitted accounts.

The ‘50+1’ rule

There are just two exceptions to the “50+1” rule in the Bundesliga at the moment – VfL Wolfsburg and Bayer Leverkusen. Both clubs are fully-owned by Volkswagen and pharmaceutical company Bayer AG respectively but have developed strong roots in their working class areas.

Despite tycoon Dietmar Hopp owning 96% of the club’s shares, TSG Hoffenheim still follow the “50+1” rule because Hopp only has 49% of the voting rights which means they still meet the Bundesliga requirements.

Dykes added: “Supporter Ownership doesn’t protect you against bad management. Felix Magath encountered some problems at Schalke 04 because we are a members association and the constitution says the club can’t sign a player for over £300,000 without the approval of the supervisory board.

“We have the dual management structure at the club with the management board running the day-to-day business and is supervised an 11-person supervisory board which includes a supporter representative and that is anchored on the club’s constitution.

“Magath was hampered in his ambitions by not being able to sign a player for £300,000 without permission from the supervisory board. He wanted that clause deleted from the constitution and at the meeting, the members voted against that.

“This shows the advantage of the power of a members association. You only have to imagine how worse his spending could have been if there wasn’t the usual checks and balance from the supervisory board.”

The aforementioned example from Schalke – a club with over 120,000 paid members – shows where Rangers possibly went wrong during the reckless era of Sir David Murray.

Millions were spent on players throughout the season and immense debts were racked up in the hope of dominating the domestic and European game.

The events of last week have brought a stark warning to British clubs who are still run by one majority shareholder/investor that gross mismanagement will eventually come back to haunt you in future years.

For the good of Scottish football, the problems at Ibrox should make the three main governing bodies implement similar strict regulations, licensing and open up the potential of fan ownership in Scotland.

How long did that take you to write out!?
dj

Its quite an essay but alot to think about. CheltBlue

Its a copy and paste job.

To dj....took you best part of the day to write your long reply eh.......trueblue.....

Naw mate, quick as a flash!
dj

Or the owners should have the club and fans close to their heart ,like dd .fab1

27 Feb 2012 14:37:51
@don... I wasn't replying to your post mate it was the one below I was replying to.. Ofcourse you are entitled to your opinion I respect that totally ... What I don't respect is people who say "their first choice" would be to fold (or "start a new era) correct me if im wrong but I take that to mean you want the club folded now....well this may seem harsh but that disgusts me.. PaulRFC

I dont think anyone is saying anywhere they want to watch the club fold, but I do think people are making descions on things that havent happened yet. I would hate to see my club go into liquidation, but i am also wondering what that would mean on a whole for our club and fans i am looking to the future of this club, and maybe i am following a british trate of being abit negative about whats happening at ibrox. I would much rather worry about the worst situation and be ecstatic when nothing actually happend to us than be blind and think everything is rosie. We can as fans help the club I was one of them that signed up to saverangers. I will say again I dont want to lose my club but 'what if'.
Don

27 Feb 2012 14:32:45
the way this situation is developing at Ibrox you would think that Murray,Whtye and the rest were complete beginers on how to run a successful business, but as we know the main players are all self made millionaires so they are not beginners. Which says to me that this is all some pre planned strategy in play by these people. I just hope the end game is coming soon and it results in a majority fan based club same as Hamburg with our same name and our dignity in place. And before the pond life start know one knows what's going on watp

It is quite baffling how so many paid so much can all be cr@p at their job running Rangers. Would any bears employ them to do a paper round let alone run a multi million pound business? A fan led club is the only way forward with elected presidency and total transparency. CheltBlue

He full of the german league is run like that and it seems to be working for them
dj

27 Feb 2012 13:03:21
Ed? you think people that are involved with the club would see this site? just curious, just watchin sky sports there, rangers have been fined by craig whytes past, is that even allowed? Or even fair? Or are they talkin about since he took over? thanks (LOYAL BEAR) {Ed001's Note - I have no idea whether anyone at Rangers would check this site, I know Sky do as they keep constantly trying to post up adverts for Skybet on the pages of all the sites. The company makes millions in profit and they try and rip us off for a bit of advertising they could get for a few hundred quid! It is harsh that Rangers got fined, but the owner should have been honest and unfortunately it is Rangers he owns, so Rangers get the fine when he misbehaves.}

Ok ed thanks for explaining (LOYAL BEAR)

27 Feb 2012 12:55:50
Rangers fined 50,000 smackers coz ae that no user whyte! it's about time he done the decent thing and walked himself off jamaica bridge!
dj

Whst happened to?

In whyte we trust. Ha.

This is murray's fault as he never disclosed it.........green jhedi

Away ya go ya numpty! you can go way him if yae want? just an idea!
dj

27 Feb 2012 12:39:00
why is hmrc not chasing david murray and everyone that were Associated in rangers when the EBT's were issued.and what whyte is doing now

if the sfa(ogilvie) have not done their paperwork right then reprimand them

i mean if someone had thrown a stone through my window i wouldnt sue the stone i would be after the person who did it!!

when you think about it rangers footballclub(stadium,pitch,training center,bricks and all )
dont make the decision its the human beings that do that

the football club means more to the ordinary public than what the players and owners want to do with not paying their taxes

hopefully the hmrc(unpaid PAYE,NI) and genuine creditors that are due money get paid and this mess gets sorted quickly

they should all take a walk round the stadium and look at the bricks and see what it means to us all

i myself am not bothered about europe next year or domestic honors this year but i want the right people with the right plan come in

i just WANT my team to survive!!


blueman..

27 Feb 2012 11:34:23
Once again we Tims are ahead of
the game, we told you all about
Whyte for months, all CORRECT..
now BIG ANNOUNCEMENT coming
Tuesday around 4.45pm......
be prepared for wailing and gnashing
of teeth.........
Timalloy (soothsayer)

Timalloy the all seeing all knowing well renound soothsayer on any matters attached to Rangers.So my fellow bears if Timalloy says it is right its right (NOT) A legend in his own mind.

Why don't you go and tell yer mates over on the celtic page about it! nobody here is interested in listening to you!
dj

He doesn't have any mates on the Celtic page.

Total t*t taking credit for the rangerstaxcase guy.

Raab

Would the big announcement be the redundancies the papers say will be made midweek? Poor show if you think anyone losing their job through no fault of their own is funny or even mildly entertaining. If you have other information why havnt you sold it to a paper or at least give details so we can all say "You know he might be a t@@t but Dhimalloy got it right this time for a change" CheltBlue

Maybe he thinks he is the tax guy? Just a thought... CheltBlue

You rangers fans were given the heads up about what was happening to your club but you chose not to believe it. That's your fault.
Timalloy is merely stating that your players will be heading out of Ibrox beginning Tuesday and there will be a press conference relating to this.
You choose not to believe the truth because it's a Celtic fan dishing it up to you. Again, your own fault when it all hits the fan.

We are well aware of the truth, Celtic fans seem to think we dont have access to the same info they have. If you look at the general posts about youll notice disussion on liquidation aswell as player redundancies. Im sure Dhimalloy can fight his own corner as he seems able to post cr@p most days and keeps coming back. The average fan is not delluded but also not depressed. It really isnt the fans fault so stop with the "we told you". You should of told SDM about Whyte not us, oops forgot you are just like us so have no chance of contacting them. I believe it when its fact not rumour... CheltBlue

Well said CheltBlue.

Raab

Here here mate
dj

Cheltblue, Raab and others, myself and
others were predicting most of these things months ago, all you bears chose to say it was all a big "Tim conspiracy" hence why I started my "ostriches" posts, you did not want to believe it as the "peepil" are never wrong. Well your
"peepil" running your club have landed you in it BIG TIME, why not have a go at those "peepil" hail hail Timalloy

Im pretty sure I am raging at Murray and Whyte etc. So what are you on about. I feared for the worst and never once denied it! I chose to look on the bright side of life and focus on football. Thats not burying my head as theres nothing I can do about anything else. As CheltBlue said, we can read the papers! You tell us nothing new. You just a pathetic man who prides himself on being a total no it all. Your not! You clearly read the rangertaxcase page daily and came on here claiming you knew everything that was going down. You didnt tell us anything we didnt already know! Get a life!

Raab

Tbh honest guys nobody gave us the heads up! what cos septic thought oh s**tzu new owner feck rangers are goin to get more financially better(at the time) and lets check who this craig whyte is, BOOM he's a dodgy character!, bet most of us gers fans did the same cos i did!,, and what happened ? septic fans were clueless and WHO gave us the heads up? yea alistair johnstone and co! so timmy stop takin credit for the heads up malarcky cos it certainly wasn't you but our own! yeah it was our faults for not listenin but we were too busy looking into the positive prospect of a new owner and more money!( apparently) you hate us too much to care who the feck takes us on dodgy or not! and the fact that we have officially been linked with a few buyers you automatically shoot it down just out of spite and the the fact that diddums. s**tzu another buyer but this time he is successful positively and not dodgy what's so ever, stewie

Chelblue , you only believe in facts not rumours and you posted this where .................on the rangers RUMOURS site , i see ,fab1

27 Feb 2012 11:00:08
Papac, Bedoya, Healy are my guess to be leaving this week.

You can add Broadfoot to that !

27 Feb 2012 08:51:17
I have posted a good few times on this site and i have mentioned this before. I just want to get some facts on this. If and it is a big if, we went into liquidation and a phoenix club was created. Do we have to stay in scottish leagues? as i see it we would be a new club under no F.A. so we should be able to apply for the bottom english leagues instead of the bottom scottish league. I know it is illegal to stop a british company trading in any of the home nations so I cant see the legal process of stopping us. And if this did happen would you still follow?
Don

That would be my first choice a new era

Your first choice would be a new era would it? Well my first choice would be to lose you as a "fan" an the rest like you! Your not needed mate so jog on! PaulRFC

Are you's joking? our main priority is keeping this club afloat! this is the club we support, we shouldn't be talking about reformations at this moment. this is the club that holds the records, if we fold and start a new club we won't have any history.

Better to have a future
than a history.......les

I did say 'if'
Don

Paul the guy posted in the worst case scenario ie liquidation and all that entails. If we have lost our name through this format and we by law have to start a new compamyy that's what we must do or would you rather we all died. Get a grip worst case we lose the big tax case where are we going to get the money .liquidation is the only way we can live on is in another name. And as i said if we had to restart at the bottom I would rather start at the bottom of an association that gave us a fair crack of the whip. That would not be up here.as I said that's the worst case my own personal opinion is we will not lose the tax case which will leave us with about 12 mill in debt which can be paid so we will live on in our present format. And as for your comment about not wanting me as a fan just because I see the full story doesn't me make any less of a fan than anyone else.this club is a democratic club and all opinions should be respected even yours paulrfc

What's all this talk about the Phoenix Club? Is that the name of the new Rankers? Does that mean Brian Potter will be taking over as manager?? I suppose Sally and Peter Kay are about the same weight so Whyte can just send Ally's 58 neck suits to the dry cleaners to save a few quid!

Yeah mate read the posts properly! I'm not replying to the original post , in replying to the guy who's "first choice" would be a new era.... So what he is saying is that he wants my club folded right now ! Chase yourself man! PaulRFC

Oh and peter liewell is a model? yeah thought not! the thing is what is really funny is that celtic fans are jelous for the fact that rangers are a tight family unit which legends can stay on and have a position within the team, big amo and albertz are still here within the walls of ibrox and who have yous got? oh aye alkie thompson, neil lemmon and thors stunt double yeah you guessed it mjallby haha, atleast we appreciate who plays for us and manages us and we are PROUD! ally needs a chance! Jose mourinho couldn't pull a team together in our state, money which we don't have is what's badly needed, and yous might think its funny but this is just below the belt with the pledging! we are tryin to keep our club afloat and you all in your dirty little power wants us out of the picture badly! trully scotlands shame! risk the SPL and scotlands football economy!for what? pathetic childish games! Yeah we had a life bit of banter in the past but we had a line and made sure we didn't cross it because we knew if you didn't pull through we woukd have been up shatcreek!we wouldn't have went to lines you have drawing by doin all this tryin to eff us even more! just remember guys this is an important football club like you, not a political, religeous association! your all dum if this is what its all about! remember catholics support rangers and protestants support celtic to! the teams have did their bit to try and drive sectarianism away and now i think its the fans turn now! UNITE somehow maybe impossible but its upto us to get scotland back on to the good map and show everybody that laughs at us that we can work as a team! combined trully show SECTARIANISM THE RED CARD!(LOYAL BEAR)P.S banter at the start of the post guys so no hostilaty, good enough to give it out then should be more than happy to take it back!

27 Feb 2012 08:03:05
Just read uefa rep at yesterdays game has put in report of banned songs yesterday at inverness . that meens 80 grand fine .which meens rangers will defently not be in europe next year as under uefa rules is no team that owes an out standing fine can play in all uefa comps .but get this the administrators will not pay any new fines as ther job is to deal with what they came in for and not nothing that has happend while on the job .so all those who sang ther songs of destruction yesterday give your self a pat on the back .the little chance of playing in europe next year has gone .and this is what u so called fans sticking bye ya team well done we are in the gutter and gutter to stay .cous who in the right mind would invest in rangers we are joke

And your talking rubbish

I right UEFA flew in Inverness did they.So this Saturday it will FIFA.get a grip on yourself.

One word to discribe the above poster :
Ostrich , any more fines will push Rangers over the edge , time to wake up to yourselves , instead of rebelling .

What a tube! why would they need to fly to inverness? the clue is the word delegate.

UEFA don't have any authority over domestic football!

26 Feb 2012 23:39:57
Last week my mate called me in a panic saying
His mate had seen Walter and Martin Bain
At Cameron house having a meeting.
What I can't understand is when I go to sort
Out a mortgage at the J Aurther ( bank) I have
A meeting in a private room to discuss my
Finances, how much I can or can't afford to
Pay back/ borrow. Why o Why would Sir Walter
And MB have a meeting in a public bar to discuss
Anything about the rangers given the situation at
Present.
The facts are it did not happen. If they were there
There is no way they were talking shop.
One man would never compromise rangers FC
And that is Sir Walter Smith.
What makes this look even more stupid is
The fact MB stays about 10 min drive from
Cameron House and Sir Walter about 20 min

Keep the faith. Rangers forever

I think it's safe to say your "mates" "mate" had been taking LSD

Why r rangers starting to use celtic sayings like keep the faith and sh*t look pal Celtic keep faith and rangers well we Dnt do walking away

They are friends you muppet.

Eh how is keep the faith a celtic saying? by that logic am declaring i came i saw i conquered as my saying!

keep believing

Why do Celtic fans keep copying songs from liverpool and man city and kid on they were the first to use them.

Mate i cant help wonder why you didnt just txt your pal back and say this to him. there was no need to come on and tell us that some 1 u know said this so now are telling us that he is wrong./biggles

Could smith and bain just have had a lunch together? they are friends after all.........green jhedi