Rangers Banter Archive December 27 2013

27 Dec 2013 17:20:41
Hi Celtic fan in peace. Would just like to say hurry back as i'm bored out my t. i'm no lover of rangers but I miss the Buzz. as you must do . so hurry back pleaseeee

What you bored with? all thise low margin wins you keep having? you should lost at least 2to 3 of your last 6 games which would put you in sh? creek, without a paddle. Just be thankfull you will win league this year. because way you lot are playing you may not next year,, ha ha ha the rest are starting to catch up football wise and you lot don't do spending the cash.

17 games no one has beat Celtic yet even had 12 games in Europe so doesn't matter if you win by a goal or ten but hope we meet you in cup because I think it will be over by halfs time not shouting about 100 percent records now you couldn't beat Stranraer in your own backdoor so would worry about your own teams issues before you worry about Celtic

Sorry OP I don't share your enthusiasm for one of the world's most hate filled fixtures and fear the lunatics in both sides may take over the asylum when the teams do meet again. I am not recommending visits to the lower leagues but at least we have had a break from the hatred and bile of the top division. I cannot say in all honesty I have missed the games against Celtic in the slightest

{Ed039's Note - I miss them, if like me and you and you don't like the bile then don't join in, but the games themselves I do miss them)

I'm really sick of hearing that the OF game is full of violence and animals that can't behave. I've been going to Old Firm games for 15 years and haven't once seen any trouble inside the ground that would make me "fearful", even as a young kid, other than the usual songs that have no place at any football ground. But guess what? EVERY derby has distasteful chanting etc, verbal bile at football matches will never go away. I just hope we can continue to make moves in getting rid of the bigoted element of it.

The biggest problem surrounding laws being broken was people drinking too much throughout the day and offending AWAY from the game, persons who just don't know how to behave and use the OF game as a justification for their actions. That sort of thing is nothing to do with the actual match itself, which is the biggest and most passionate derby in World football.

Sorry, but any Celtic or Rangers fan who says they don't miss the Old Firm games is a LIAR. It's the only thing we had to be proud of in Scottish football. The interest in it around the World is staggering and will be just as big, if not bigger, when Rangers get to the top flight.

Seems the hoops fans don't like being told they not that good. ha ha ha 17 games that you lot can't be bothered turning upto because your playing crap. As I said fluking games. as per usual and the rats leaving the sinking ship ie yar Greek man. etc etc.

Sorry ALLY but am I missing something here as we all know big attendances are great but not important as results and as you said Celtic have played 17 in league undefeated and Rangers 16 undefeated both lead their respective leagues by 11 points with game in hand ( although celtic do play in a totally professional league ( top flight) ) and as for rats leaving sinking ship Pots and kettles spring to mind with ALL your top earners leaving when you were all but sunk yourselves. and remind me which of these two famous clubs HAVE to sell in January to survive ( according to their own CEO) fire sale at ibrox will be the Headline in the daily rags in the new year. I would wish you a happy ne'erday but with your infantile comments I feel you are not old enough to have even a shandy from a can. keep that head of yours in the sand though and all will be fine. JohnnyG

@5 and ED it's the "liar" here who is repeating I do not miss these games but then I was at Hampden in the 1-0 cup final win to Celtic where a McGrain trundler won the day. The police on horseback charges breaking up personic pugilists on either side being beamed around the world. My oldest girl came to one game at Parkhead and ended up in tears at the hatred spewing out the mouths of her own fans mouths. I was also in Dundalk and saw a pulped mess that was only identifiable as a Rangers fan because his blue white and red scarf was around his neck. There would have been Celtic fans in similar states after the attentions of visiting "fans".
There is certainly uncertainty in these games I would give you that but as a season ticket and shareholder who saw his first"them against us" fixture 50 years ago I repeat I and the police, hospitals, ambulance services and beaten up wives and scared children do not miss them one bit. The "interest world wide"if you believe that line is probably in utter disbelief at the naked hatred and bigotry from both sets of fans which generates an unrivaled tension and atmosphere if that floats your boat fine but spare me any tosh about this having anything to do with football excellence and sportsmanship which should decide which is the best derby. But then that is my opinion and I am entitled to it just as you are to yours.

{Ed039's Note - You make some great points Nbear .... and by christ you must be some age :-) I have been to loads of games at Ibrox and Parkhead, I have seen some sights, I went to a reserve game at the old Parkhead once and there was 40,000 fans there, no other reserve game in the world can do that, and that is because there is something special about it, I have somehow managed to train myself to tune out of all the shite mate, therefore I do miss the games. Although while we are telling stories, one game at the old parkhead, I was probably about 6-7 years old, I was sat on the wee brick wall right at the front of the terracing and a police man on horseback approached me and some other young kids with his baton in hand and told us very aggresively if we didnt get off the wall he would split our heads, so I am convinced, back in those days, the police DID NOT help and probably made things worse because there was nearly a full scale riot with dads and other guys going mental at the copper behind me. And Nbear, at no point did I call you a liar)

Nbear2. My first old firm game was in 1960/61 and must have been hell of a lucky to miss most of the situations to which you refer. Yes there have been flashpoints triggered by persons but on the whole it is summed up by a old buddy of mine. After one game we were enjoying a pint and he commented as follows '' Here's to being a 90 minute bigot, cheers''. By the way, he was a 'hoops' man but he was also a close friend.
As far as wife beating etc. , is concerned, I would doubt if the published figures are a true reflection on the facts. [ unless you are a press agent for the police service. ]

I've posted many a times I miss the OF game. Not the violence and halfwits but the elation or disappointments of a win or a grubbing. As an expat of many a year - the OF is the ONLY thing about Scottish football that made it anywhere outside of Scotland. You could virtually guarantee being able to watch it, despite the time difference in most big cities world wide - most times it would be all the fans in the one pub - no trouble just banter. Actually even in Glasgow the pub I'd goto for the game would be 'mixed company'. I don't subscribe to rangers being dead either - as long as you get away with using the same name and colours it's still rangers. That might change if liquidation takes away the name and rights to the logos etc but that's still to be seen. The bottom line is the bottom line these days and most vested interested don't want rangers time totally - ala 3rd Lanark. There just too much money in it. Do you think glasgows building all those new hotels for the Burrell?

No ED you didn't and I wasn't accusing you of doing so and I apologise to poster 5 it was poster 4 the "veteran" of 15 years of what was formerly called Old Firm games. My festive hope is that he, you and all bears and the unwashed continue to see these games without any incidents of note. I will just not be joining you -I will of course watch the highlights should we win. 60 years old ED and still in shock at what has happened to the mighty Rangers. Murray you muppet- boy have you some questions to answer.

@8 Billyb, are you seriously trying to play bigotry off as just a wee bit of light hearted banter that is ok in the confines of a football match?! WTF is a 90 minute bigot? Is that the same as a 90 minute racist?! Billy, I’m sure you didn’t mean to cause offence but seriously mate, you should think about what you’re posting. This attitude of glossing over bigotry and hatred is in many ways just as bad as the people who take it seriously and actually mean the hatred that they spew. If you don’t agree with it then man up and don’t be part of it. Dinnae just brush it under the carpet with some misguided notion that it’s ok for 90 minutes. It’s because of attitudes like this that wee kids grow up thinking this kind of hateful 5h1t3 is ok because they see their faither spewing it at a football match. The cycle continues and we never manage to rid our society of this kind of nonsense. Listen, I’m not trying to get too personal here Billy and I’m sure you’re a decent bloke but bigotry, racism etc should be challenged by decent people when they witness it not just ignored. We all know the easy option is to just ignore it or in some cases join in for 90 minutes but it doesn't make it right. The longer decent folk accept this sort of thing the longer the people will think it’s acceptable. It’s high time they dragged themselves out of their hateful cave and came blinking into the sunlight where the rest of us normal people live. As always, everyone’s entitled to their opinion but opinions are there to be challenged and disagreed with. I strongly disagree with the 90 minute bigot theory, it has no place in our society and should be named for what it is, bigotry, 90 minutes or otherwise. If you see it or hear it and chose to make excuses or ignore it then you are just as bad as those who peddle it.

Great post Baybear- very well said that man

Baybear, always remember that, for the working class, football was a 90minute release of emotion. [verbal] after the rigours of the working week. There were no tv cameras or political correctness and they were just venting their feelings. Next, you will tell me that the old firm rivalry derived from the competitive spirit between the clubs.
My point was that emotions can be vented during 90minutes with no serious meaning.
I'll leave it at that.

@13-Sorry, my mistake Billy. I forgot that there was none of that silly political correctness in the good old days?! Hey, remember the days where you could throw bananas at black players as a wee bit of casual racist banter too. Not now though with their bl00dy tv cameras?!
Apologies for the sarcasm Billy but your post simply highlighted every point I had made. I'm well aware of where the rivalry derived from, doesn't make it ok to continue with it because that's the way it's always been. Go back a bit further and we used to take people from their homeland to be used as our slaves. Do we do that anymore? No, Why not?
Billy, there is always a serious meaning behind any sort of bigotry. Spare me the nonsense that it's some kind of right of the 'working classes' to promote hate because they've earned it after a tough week at work.
I originally thought your post about '90 minute bigots' was some kind of unfortunate faux pas. It seems clear to me now that you are a dinosaur. I'm still not sure what kind though? Are you a Killafeniansaurus or a doyouthinktheysaurus? either way you are part of the problem.

Really interesting to read some of the comments about the good and bad experiences of the OF games. I was in the Sportsmanship bar in Singapore (obviously a while ago). Have to say I was not only disgusted but amazed at the fact that the knuckle draggers who call themselves supporters had to bring their Neanderthal mentality half way round the world. I took my mate (keen 'Tic supporter but loves football) along and was ashamed. Grown men screaming and swearing at the screen about NL, Stein and the pope. Even their little Thai/Fillipino girlfriends were shouting at NL being a fen**n b**tard. Jeez, these wee lassies would not know what a fen**n was if he came up to them wearing a t shirt which said I am a f**nian on it! My mate just looked at me and said, "that's why I do not go to OF games with my family. Last time I took my 9 year old daughter she was left asking me why the (grown) man threw his pie at the crowd. This lot still think there is a bloke on a white charger crossing the stream and the other lot still think Rome is ruling the world, nothing to do with football. " I do not miss those games one bit.

27 Dec 2013 12:47:40
Why not give someone like Andrew Stirling of Stranraer a chance. Only 23, Played PDL in US and has made our players look silly every time he's played against us. Very similar player to Temps except Stirling to be able to execute better! Obviously going to cost pennies as well.

Reversion to type then? He played well against us better sign him to take out the problem.
Why don't you get a decent manager who knows what he's doing? You're in the third tier for pitys sake, with internationalists in your team why do you need to keep signing?

@1 cannot disagree with your post. Sadly some bears will never learn and this attitude will keep Ally in a job whilst the club lurches towards another financial disaster. If the current board didn't feel the majority of bears were still behind Ally and more incoming transfers they would move him on for someone cheaper with a proven record of youth development. A scary time to be a bear.

I why did nobpdy ask ally why he chooses to players out of possition at the agm

27 Dec 2013 10:48:02
I will tell you what rangers fans now a days are disgusting, how many bad results has rangers and mccoist as a team had THIS season? 2? Cup defeat at the start of the season and a DRAW but yet use are still wanting him out, the guy who's stuck with the club through thick and thin, right ok we sack him who do we bring in? Butcher? Just joined jobs, Kenny shields? Just joined Morton. Souness? Not a chance. Why use rangers fans want which will never happen is some billionaire to come in like man city Monaco page Chelsea, and fling money about for fun guess what where stuck with what we have to support your team support your manager look at Cardiff with big Malky that's what we should be like with mccoist so get a grip

OP as someone who suffered through 5 years of "the greatest ever rangers" management it is sometimes completely obvious to some fans the manager ain't got what it takes. Other fans like you are completely loyal and impressed by a winning run in the second worst league in Scotland against part time footballers. It is called a difference of opinion but to turn around and suggest fellow supporters who disagree with your opinion are disgusting is just wrong. We will always support the team we would just prefer, and the club needs as someone posted earlier, a young intelligent coach like Mcnamara who gives youth it's chance and watches it blossom into an impressive exciting attacking entertaining team. Where one 18 year old is worth more than our entire first team squad but earns less than anybody in our entire first team squad. Some people may say all the things that Ally's teams are not and without the benefit of the best facility for youth development in Scotland. Our cheque book management as someone else put it -should be behind us as we ain't got any money and that would not appear to suit Ally

Not all Rangers fans but I agree with what you say. I didn't see the game but it seems a lot of the players let Ally down.

It would be good to hear from fans who were there and get their comments. One press report didn't give a good review on Peralta. Maybe good enough for Honduras but doesn't get Scottish football? Dunno.

Disappointed that we didn't break the record. Very disappointed. Poor show Rangers. If we were looking rusty after 19 days off, maybe we should have had our youngsters in the team who have been playing in their league and would have worked their socks off for a place in the team. Where's Barry McKay?

Kfraser, I wasn't there but I watched the game live on rtv, it wasn't a lot of the players that let us down, it was all of the players, I couldn't give a pass mark to anyone, a penalty was the only way we looked like scoring and a blind man could see the Stranraer goal was coming in the second half, every player should have a hard look at them-self after that performance and the manager should make changes in the next game to knock a few regulars, out of their comfort zone, the Stranraer goal came directly from our corner in the last minute of extra time when the ball was given away easily by law who was caught messing around with a short corner


JG

@2 young Barry has just gone on loan for a month to Morton. Now you might wonder that he could do a better job at right wing, sorry right midfield (giving my age away) than Peralta but it appears to me he is possibly now in the shop window to be moved on before end January. With Gasparato and McAusand already out on loan Ally just does not seem to like the youngsters. Now wheres the cheque book Mr Wallace our squad is too small? OAFT!

{Ed039's Note - There is no Under 20 games until late January so game time is what they have been sent out on loan for, who knows if things are cut then I would imagine it is senior pros would be moving on and these boys might be out to get a bit of match fitness/sharpness)

Maybe if ally played parelta in the right position we would see why he chose to sign him in the first place

Op did big malky not get sacked tonight