Rangers Banter Archive August 27 2016

 

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27 Aug 2016 20:22:51
Celtic thrash their nearest rivals 4-1 and lay down their marker. We fail to thrash what could easily now be seen as our nearest rivals in any of our opening games.
Felt good before these first few games and if I'm honest, confident that we would indeed be competing for honours this season. However, going by what I've seen in the opening 4 games, we will do well to attain a top 6 place if we keep playing like this. It better click and it better click quick.
We have south possession but is any of it any good? Lots of stuff around the box but with very little of it going in to the strikers. Far too slow going forward, McKay seems to wait for the opposing team to get back before his usual cut inside. He hit the byline yesterday for the first time on 61 minutes. That's not the sign of a good winger or even a winger in my books and maybe a tad unfair to single him out but I don't wish to write war and peace!
It just seems to embody what is wrong with us as a team, lots of possession with no end product.



27 Aug 2016 20:46:50
Think we would be better with Jimmy hill clint is terrible if forester could finish he would be some player can't see us getting anything against they **** at parkhead but hopefull I am wrong.



27 Aug 2016 21:34:25
Totally agree we have been poor since we won championship check results, in the SPL we have played teams who will finish in bottom six and struggled against them all this is the worst Rangers team in years what does Davy Weir do I thought he would have the defence watertight but we leak goals for fun can't score goals loads of possession but gets us nowhere we lack pace in the team and take to long to move the ball I'm not a big Warburton fan he only plays one way and when it doesn't work the game just grinds to an end I really hope I'm proved wrong here and they get it together but I think we will finish fourth.



28 Aug 2016 00:02:51
Weir can only work with the tools he has been given and it is a bit like giving someone a Glass hammer and telling them to hammer in nails. Hill should never have been brought to Ibrox. He is slow, can't tackle and was totally outclassed by a bunch of Kilmarnock kids and a pensioner! Kiernan is not much better and Wilson hasn't played a decent game since he left us for Liverpool! We have the young lad signed on loan from Raith Rovers and we might be able to resurrect Wilson's career if we can play him alongside a quality centre back. If we persevere with Hill and / or Kiernan then we will destroy what potential is left in Wilson!



28 Aug 2016 00:08:33
So we've went from a very exciting and attacking lookin team since dick advocat era. now were worst Rangers team in years. come on now lads get a grip, were no gona gel after a few games, as annoying as it is but its gona take us atleast 10 games to be a settled and gelled team.



28 Aug 2016 08:07:35
How many players started your Kilmarnock game that were brought in this season? 3/ 4 and one of those was joey ( I'm head and shoulders above every player in Scotland! πŸ˜…) Barton . Celtic started yesterdays game with a new manager, new gk, new center half, new midfielder and still ran out comfortable winners, so your excuse holds no water .



28 Aug 2016 20:32:22
Or you could say we've been poor and we're still second, think we can finish in the top four, Euro place.



27 Aug 2016 23:02:34
We need to get the width and pace back into the team.



28 Aug 2016 20:34:41
Nearest rivals? That would be us right now as Aberdeen have been single fish this season so far, wouldn't fear the trip there in a few weeks and that is not why I would usually feel.



28 Aug 2016 20:58:33
I agree. Most worrying is that the possession last season was quite refreshing as it was dominating, sharp, penetrative often especially early season, and tired out the opposition. This season the early signs are that it is none of these things.



28 Aug 2016 22:07:05
We need to get the width and pace back into the team.



28 Aug 2016 09:37:38
How many injuries do your team have though and also we had a guy taken off and a new starker pitched in right away, takes time even though we have hopes for him and you always have to be ready to come on and a centre half who not great was injured in the warm up and a worse one was pitched in right away, so although we can claim 'excuses' there is also some fact in them.



28 Aug 2016 09:48:02
If anything a new manager gives a team a lift, it happens to loads of teams, it happened to us at the start of last season also.



27 Aug 2016 20:20:39
It was a nice gesture from Griffiths today for the young lad who passed away recently.

The lad loved his football and hopefully his family take something from the support they have received.

I can't imagine losing one of my kids.



27 Aug 2016 22:08:51
Likewise bud, nice one Raf.



28 Aug 2016 20:59:39
Yep hats off to Griffiths it was a great gesture. RIP Kieran McDade, no matter what side of the devide you come from its times like this that we can all come together.



27 Aug 2016 20:09:29
Going to be brutally honest We've no chance to win the League with the players we have overall Far too many cracks at the back for a start and I'm not sure if we are actually buying quality over quantity

Of course we need to try win the league but anything below 3rd place is a disappointment!



27 Aug 2016 21:07:42
Would agree would expect Celtic to win the league with ease. Not sure how good Hearts and Aberdeen are but if we are struggling against Kilmarnock, Hamilton and Motherwell then it doesn't look good.



27 Aug 2016 22:00:57
Being brutally honest also that i don't think we will win the league anyway 2nd will do for me and maybe a cup then hopefully challenge fot title the following season when maybe we will be in a better finacial position.



28 Aug 2016 00:04:27
Unless there is fundamental remedial surgery of that squad we will not win the league in the foreseeable future!



27 Aug 2016 23:54:02
We have played four games and already the half-hearted, don't go to games brigade have begun Rangers meltdown.

I wish this lot would dry their eyes and support the effin team.

We are rebuilding with little finance and as such are looking at the bargain basement end of football.

Small steps.



27 Aug 2016 20:00:52
My team against Celtic would be Foderingham, Tav, Crooks, Wilson, Wallace, Barton, Windass, Forrester, McKay, Garner, Waghorn. What's your thoughts? Hope we get a new CB in cause we badly need our defence sorted!



27 Aug 2016 20:54:28
Do you not think its a big ask to play Crooks, Windass and Waghorn in the starting 11 as one hasn't played yet and the other 2 have been out for a good few weeks with injuries.



27 Aug 2016 21:35:50
If there fit I would get them in n mate.



27 Aug 2016 21:55:40
Hopefully game against linfield we will see how the players that have been injured are and hopefully we have a new centre back also and see if they are ready for celtic game.



28 Aug 2016 00:08:17
It doesn't matter who we play if we have Kiernan and Hill at centre back Celtic will embarrass us. We can't defend against slow guys like Boyd, what chance have we got against Griffiths etc.

Unless we have two new centre backs of quality we will get stuffed and we really can't complain since we have been saying for months that our central defence is not good enough.



28 Aug 2016 07:12:12
we will play deeper Barton will sit closer to the centre half's and let's pray Wilson is fit.



28 Aug 2016 20:31:01
Crooks won't be near the team for a while.



28 Aug 2016 20:33:21
Senderos will be in, not Crooks.



28 Aug 2016 20:57:42
Crooks Waghorn and Windass won't be ready in time.



27 Aug 2016 18:46:59
Team I'd play against C*ltic if all fit to play would be

Garner
McKay Waghorn


Forrester Halliday
Barton


Wallace (new cb) Wilson Tavernier

Foderingham

Would bring on kranjcar and ohalloran on at 60 mins for creation in the midfield along with pace on the wing, can't see warbs dropping Miller but hope he sees sense and does, the guy can score but unfortunately would rather dodoo and garner over him.



27 Aug 2016 21:44:51
Not a massive fan of waggy but i would start him against them and keep moh for later on if its still tight and the game opens up.



28 Aug 2016 06:44:42
Really don't get why everyone is picking Barton. Clearly he thought he could just waltz this league and he's being shown up massively. All he did vs Killie was walk up to Hill and take the ball off him. The Barton/ Rossiter dynamic doesn't work. It should be one of the other.



27 Aug 2016 18:13:59
Kiernan was at fault for the goal as he always is. Need Tav to do the type of job Whittaker did for us as he is never a defender in his day. Get gilks in goal and hodson right back. Drop Barton and Halliday. Persist with rossiter and niko. Windass and forrester also in that midfield. Waghorn and garner up top with waggy drifting into the channels. i believe we will come good if warbs stops sticking with his favourites. Really miss holt in there. Him and forrester are the only two we have that can drive into the space from a central position mind you windass looked like he was capable of that too.



27 Aug 2016 21:57:11
Coplandcafu, I agree with your post and how much we miss jason holt, I would love to see a midfield 3 of barton or rossiter, forrester and holt, that would give us great legs and energy with forrester and holt who are both capable of running beyond our front 3 and linking play from middle to front, I'm truly not sick of saying it that spending 64k on holt is one of the best pieces of business we've ever done, what a bargain!



28 Aug 2016 00:05:06
holt needs to play we miss him badly.



27 Aug 2016 18:59:10
I think we should consider playing a standard 442 but keep the option to change during a game ie. back to 433 when we get a good lead and can play on the counter, it would keep the oppositon guessing making us less predictable. Any organised team can sit in and stop our formation and frustrate players and fans.

I believe we have a good enough squad but you have to play to the players we have at presents strengths, 442 would do that and gives us many different options. Players like Wilson Kieran etc. would definately benefit from this.



28 Aug 2016 19:43:05
Hi guys is it just me or are other people think that the players we have brought in have not realised yet what it means to play for the great Glasgow Rangers
I would never say that the new players are bad but I don't think thay know really what it takes to play for the gers yet and we they run out off the tunnel at PH it will hit them hard.



27 Aug 2016 18:36:02
Was told last night from a non Rangers source that Lescott didn't come because he wanted a Monday off and was refused. Apparently someone else has this and he didn't think this was on.



27 Aug 2016 19:23:52
I think Barton has a clause where he doesn't have to perform on match days, sometimes looks that way anyway.



27 Aug 2016 22:42:16
Aye but he's the best tweeter in the starting line up.



27 Aug 2016 23:12:27
Cuillin72 could be onto someting there mate, though there are a good few more that must have the same loop in there contracts, as we have seen to date. lol.



27 Aug 2016 18:00:12
Expectations have been too high in my opinion regarding returning to the SPL and winning the title first time of asking. I'm also a little bemused as to why we sign Windass and Crooks and both are injured. I'm assuming Holt is injured too? With everyone fit, maybe the best 11 would be (4-4-2):
Foderingham; Hodson, Wilson, Crooks, Wallace; Tavernier, Barton, Holt, Windass; Garner, Waghnorn.



27 Aug 2016 18:47:38
Tav better than Hodson clearly.



27 Aug 2016 20:56:43
Doiger

Both Windass and Crooks were signed 6 months ago on pre contract agreements and I think at the time both were fit it's just bad luck they are currently injured.



28 Aug 2016 19:45:06
Did we not sign these players when they were fit and got injured at the end off there season?



27 Aug 2016 17:25:13
The sheep doing their usual lying down job at porkheid.



27 Aug 2016 17:35:10
Not won at Ibrox since 89.90 season. Lol.



27 Aug 2016 17:55:14
Wouldn't be too quick to criticise them for losing there until after we play them.



27 Aug 2016 19:38:58
Exactly we can't beat Hamilton at home ore 10 men killie never mint Celtic at the piggery.



27 Aug 2016 17:11:31
Look πŸ‘€ up, is it a bird, is it a plane, no its Celtic again! With a game in hand as well, lol 😁.



27 Aug 2016 17:19:52
Yes enjoy yourself good start.



27 Aug 2016 17:44:12
Most will disagree but I will be content this season for second place, a trophy (to stop them winning a treble), and most importantly if we demonstrate progress. We are coming from a long way back and this is a journey.



27 Aug 2016 18:14:46
Yes fabbydoo you are some team at the moment.



27 Aug 2016 19:10:47
I don't think we need to win a trophy to stop them winning a treble, they've managed that themselves for a while.

I would be happy with second place and I think your full of it if you say you wouldn't be.

We can still be proud of that; it would be our route into Europe and more importantly it would generate more funds.



27 Aug 2016 20:15:38
Lol aye you are " a team like no other"



27 Aug 2016 23:20:10
Rafbob as much as i agree with you, i think the retail deel will be sorted shortly, and that will generate a lot of money, people that don't normally buy tops would be buying them just for the sake of sticking two fingers up to the fat chap, and too let him know the money he could have earned if he had played his cards right.



27 Aug 2016 16:19:49
Anybody know if MW at parkhead today in person? Really hope he is, feel he needs to come to grips more and understand SPL passion. This is a big step up from the expectations at Brentford.



27 Aug 2016 16:11:44
Sorry . sent to early

I'm sure we will get the defence sorted in due course

Yes I'm concerned about going to the Phiggery in 2 weeks, but come on guys show some faith and cut out the negativity

We are by far the most fickle fans in the country

Remember where we were 2 seasons ago. it's a work in progress.



27 Aug 2016 16:29:43
agree Greyfriar, let's see how we respond. Lots of reason for concern but agree we should not overreact and remember where we have come from. Hard work needed on the training pitch, suspect some of the new recruits are in state of shock. Now they know what it means to play for Rangers.



27 Aug 2016 16:58:00
Ano that mob won 4-1 but i seen the 2nd half of it and they wernt up to much to be honest. aberdeen actually slightly better team in 2nd half.



27 Aug 2016 17:10:52
first half Celtic dominated, Sheepsters lucky to go level, but Celtic always in control.



27 Aug 2016 17:22:54
Didnt see the 1st half mate but wasnt particulary blown away by what i did see.



27 Aug 2016 17:43:48
never got out of second gear. TBH The Rangers are going to struggle to finish in the top 3. Dodoo, Rossiter, Tavernier, Waghorn, Forester are decent players some have more potential than others, But

Wallace, Barton, Kranjaer, Wilson, Kiernan, Foderingham, McKay and the rest are all passengers, The Rangers need LEADERS, there is not many in that squad who can read a game either.

a CB with pace, a CB who is a tough tackler and can read a game, an intelligent CM and a striker who has a record of scoring loads. these players can come from the lower leagues or the low ranking european leagues. you don't have to spend a fortune.



27 Aug 2016 16:11:27
I disagree ross w played junior football until 2 year ago at centre back or sweeper n I've saw better partnerships there than keiran and Wilson just doesn't work mate I don't know how u can defend them unless Danny a relation n that wat the w's for? I agree the full backs being so forward thinking doesn't help them but people also said Barton/ rossetti at holding role would help and it hasn't there is no pace and while I agree Wilson is better of 2 none of the pairings available work which brings me to my original point if all of us know the defence needs sorted why can't the hat when he's VERY WELL PAID to sort this stuff out?



27 Aug 2016 16:08:41
Can't believe some of the stuff I'm reading here.

Get a grip guys.

Yes it's been a disappointing start to the season and there are aspects of our play that are certainly cause for concern

But to read, the seasons over after 4 mat Warburton for the sack,



27 Aug 2016 17:39:07
it's embarrassing, turning their back on the manager after a couple of draws. why would anyone want to come to a club like that? imagine if that had happened to Walter Smith would people have wanted him out?



27 aug 2016 18:01:12
here, here cee, behind you all the way on this one mate! get behind our management team of warbs and sir davie and the team, for all the negs out there, 'rome wasn't built in a day' and its still work in progress, support the glasgow rangers through thick and thin, rangers for life through good times and the bad, can't honestly believe some of our so called supporters are talking about wanting our manager changed thus far, 'get real'! like we say when buying a pup, rangers for life not just christmas!



27 Aug 2016 18:31:05
Some of the comments on this are shocking, Get a grip. The players let the club down last night and they know it. No tweets from anyone of them since last night. Back the team get behind them i am sure they make things better in the next coming games.



27 Aug 2016 15:58:36
Anton Ferdinand signs for Southend thank goodness for that . We can all put that awfull rumour to bed now. Phew.



27 Aug 2016 15:40:07
Anyone heard the prognosis on Dodoo? Plastic pitch takes another player down.



27 Aug 2016 16:26:15
It wasn't the Plastic Pitch it was the Kilmarnock Goallie!



27 Aug 2016 16:38:10
Think it was the Kilmarnock defender that was attempting to cuddle him and not the goalie or the pitch.



27 Aug 2016 16:55:29
Yes defender at him for 20 yards, should have been penalty! Hope the boy is okay, looks to be bright and lively, just what we need more of.



27 Aug 2016 17:40:37
he hurt himself jumping for a ball he was never getting. ref was awful again just like his pals last week. how many times is a rangers player pulled to ground in box it's shocking.



27 Aug 2016 15:20:03
What your thoughts on this line up for Celtic game
Fod
Wallace Wilson new centre back Tav
Forrestor barton crooks rossiter ohalleron
Garner
Think we should win the midfield battle with this set up release forester and ohalleron to run at them provide chances for garner, if our defence was solid would play them the way we did last year, would need rossiter and ohalleron to run there guts out but could be replaced with McKay and windass if fit, I don't see MW changing his tactics though.



27 Aug 2016 15:25:54
Would sub in McKay for M'OH and I don't think crooks will be fit so maybe Windass instead for me but other than that I can see this being a very realistic lineup.



27 Aug 2016 15:54:20
holt or windass must play because we need runners from midfield.



27 Aug 2016 15:59:50
Moh has done absolutely nothing since we signed him, and failed to take the chances he has had. If anything he is trying too hard.



27 Aug 2016 16:26:59
Mr nice he's not had much of a chance.



27 Aug 2016 16:28:16
Mr nice already forgetting M'Oh has forced two own goals.



27 Aug 2016 17:32:55
Can't recall mr nice having a nice word to say about anything Rangers related.



27 Aug 2016 17:41:05
moh hasn't had a chance but mckay is our only player who looks like creating a half chance.



27 Aug 2016 17:18:57
Waghorn will be playing.



27 Aug 2016 14:48:46
Actually ross w I go to almost every game home and away can u tell me a game apart from the tims we played well then, as soon as the cultic game game was passed we believed our own hype and fell to bits conceding goals left right and centre is that no true? And to answer another question look at the job micinnes and Neilston have done with a fraction of our budget or am I wrong on that too?



27 Aug 2016 14:56:52
Yeah they dropped the intensity after Celtic I said that I don't know what point you are trying to make. We played like 3 games after Celtic and one was after a three week break we had just won the league of course the team is going to drop off in terms of intensity. I still have no idea what your point is, that we dropped off at the end of last season? I said that. What are you trying to do now compare that to this season like it was even the same? Now we have CDM's, we defend as a team and we don't push both fullbacks at the same time. Dunfermline fell off hard as well when they won the title its just human nature Mr perfectionist although I don't know what point it is you're trying to make.



27 Aug 2016 14:56:56
No your right bigblue. Some folks just can't handle criticism, even when it's due.



27 Aug 2016 15:09:10
I'm criticising as well you complete rocket what I'm saying is the criticism is in the wrong place, but you're a genuine wideo, consistent negativity never a positive word to say about anyone or anything and half of what you say is just stupid like above "no you are right" - opinion which we are both sharing how can any of us be right, "some folk can't handle criticism" - what is it that I am doing? Can't wait for the day when you come on and actually have something 'mr nice' to say.



27 Aug 2016 15:36:21
Haha love it.



27 Aug 2016 16:02:26
Glad to see you enjoy my posts Ross.

You have just proved my point with your own rant. You can't handle it.



27 Aug 2016 16:13:27
Proton

There's a positive word. Just for you Ross.



27 Aug 2016 14:44:31
How Rangers play tactically. My Breakdown.

First of all before I start to explain my thoughts on this I'd like to highlight one thing MW constantly reiterates and that's the fact he won't sign a player who brings something we already have so every player in our squad is there to provide and bring something different.

In goals because of the way we play and the way the modern game is going we need a goalkeeper who can play with the ball at his feet, and with Wes I feel we have a very good ball player and shot stopper. Is he the most commanding goalkeeper? No. Is he perfect? No, if he wouldn't be here but he definitely has potential. Gilks in comparison for me highlights the gaffers desire for diversity as he seems like a lot more well rounded but maybe he isn't the ball player or shot stopper that Wes is.

In the fullback position I feel that Hodson has been fairly unlucky since Tav has been on fire and Wallace is the captain but he really impressed me preseason. The goal of the fullbacks is to provide the width and overlap when necessary. Last season you would see both attacking at the same time but now you see on more occasions than not that one will sit if the other goes. There are at times when both go and our centre backs are exposed (particularly last season) but that hasn't really been an issue this season if we are being honest. Our fullbacks must be attacking fullbacks for our system to work and they must overlap at the right times to stretch the defence.

At centre back we have Kiernan, Wilson and Hill. Wilson is the younger of the three by a year on Kiernan and I feel he is a classy player again reiterating the MW philosophy of passing from the back. We will never have a proper solid centre back if he can't pass the ball and players that can do both generally go for a lot of money. The goal of these players is to get on the ball under pressure when playing out from the back and to pass it to someone as well as always being open to receive the ball back if the midfield is pressured. It is also expected that these player will be able to play long diagonals to our wingers if the other team sits off them and gives them space (DW in particular against Motherwell was fairly outstanding at this) . For me outside of Hill who I feel isn't fully fit yet the Kiernan Wilson partnership has looked fairly ok since we now defend as a team and a unit. MW would ideally start the same back four every game, these aren't positions he likes to rotate he's just looking for the correct partnership in there and to then let these players settle.

In defensive mid we have Rossiter, Barton, Haliday and Crooks. It's easy to see the diversity of these three players Barton being the man with experience, a long ball player someone who can chop up play. Rossiter being similar but more of a short ball player and Crooks being a tank whose fairly classy on the ball as well and for me is actually the more balanced of the two. Crooks hasn't unfortunately been ready for selection for some time now and I feel he would add that different dimension in there which we have been lacking against teams like Kilmarnock the physicality he would have brought might have helped us grind out the three points. Haliday provides a similar option to Barton but is left footed whereas the others are right. (Don't rate him as highly as the other three in this position) . The purpose of this position is to break up play, sit in front of the back four and give them protection while our fullbacks bomb on as well as sliding passes into our wingers to help forward attacks.

In our engine room we only really have Holt as a box to box player (Although I do feel that Windass can provide this also) and he in my opinion is the player we have been missing the most. His energy and desire is contagious, when he plays the whole team just seems to kick on to another level. Windass looked class in preseason and was providing real drive in midfield which is another quality I feel we have lacked so far this season. Can also play just off the striker and out wide. The purpose of this position is to do all the running work, if you watch MW's subs he always takes off the box to box player at some point since they do far more running than the others. Think to what Jason Holt did last season for what they are supposed to provide going forward. If you look to last season I feel we looked at our poorest offensively when Holt was injured.

In attacking midfield we have the previously mentioned Windass, with the potential of McKay and Forrester and the classy Kranjcar. Each one of those players is a completely different asset from the other. Forrester has looked our best player this season (with tav) and Windass looked our best player in preseason. Kranjcar needs time to get fitness. The purpose of this position is to find the killer pass, link up with forwards and to generally get involved in the attacking play. Involves a lot less running hence why someone like Krancjar can play in there. Again the diversity between each player is very apparent.

On the wing we have Mckay, O'Halleron, potentially Forrester and Windass, and any of the strikers my have to rotate to this position too. Mckay is very creative but isn't as direct as the rest, Forrester's creativity is different from McKays as well as Windass's ability to run and drive with the ball being another completely different dimension. O'Halleron is the pacey 60 minute option for when there defence starts to tire.

Up front we have the legend that is Kenny Miller whose purpose is to drop off and link up the play, Joe Dodoo whose purpose is to hold up the ball and has the ability to turn players, Garner being the pest up front who doesn't stop running, can win the ball in the air as well as O'Halleron who can but is yet to be put through the middle. There purpose is to link up play and obviously to score.

Having asserted all this information on you this is why I come to the conclusion that we are just lacking in midfield. You look at how diverse each player is in each position and you can see why MW is desperate to get everyone fit because everyone adds a different possibility to the team. When he said he couldn't do much tactically I agree with him with the players that are out we couldn't achieve the three points yesterday. If he had other options he might have set up differently especially away from home at a tiny plastic pitch but his squad is tight and he didn't have the options he would have liked. Just can't see where the criticism from the gaffer comes from.

As for the first half performances the whole purpose is basically to run there team into the ground for sixty minutes since every team we will come up against will be extremely organised. However having watched every game this season you can easily see every team tiring substantially as the game goes on.



27 Aug 2016 14:58:47
Iv got shorter novels.

Fantasy based reality is probably right genre.



27 Aug 2016 15:05:20
Another attempt at a sly insult from you Mr Nice most likely but I don't understand the point you are trying to make. All I did was sum up the diversity in the squad and why I feel MW said, due to injuries, that he couldn't really do anything tactically. Are you trying to imply what I have said is fantasy? It's a fairly simplistic assessment on what I feel every part of the team brings a different aspect to how we play and its crucial if we want to be successful. Nothing I have said has been inaccurate if you can't be arsed reading it then don't your opinion will never matter to me anyway since you never actually say anything nice about anyone on here, there opinions or the team as a whole. Going to put in a request to an Ed to change your name to Mr Negative.



27 Aug 2016 15:26:23
RossW1995

How can you say Kiernan and Wilson have looked ok? The partnership doesn't work and was exposed in the championship as for Hill he is 37 with a recent history of injuries it's nothing to do with fitness he is finished.



27 Aug 2016 15:33:25
I agree in the championship but we aren't playing anything like we were then. If you look at our current set up running Barton and Rossiter that's two sitters with an inverted diamond in comparison to how we normally play. I think this coupled with our fullbacks defending properly will allow us to actually defend as team this season. Although I'm not sure if RK is the answer to partner DW, I wouldn't be too disappointed if that ended up being our regular defensive pairing but like most I'd like to see another cb coming in.



27 Aug 2016 15:33:57
Although I do agree with what you said about Hill, but he just might need time to get fully up to speed, I point to Krancjar and Barton as examples of this.



27 Aug 2016 16:35:42
You let yourself down with your inability to condemn our centre backs and the comment that Hill is not fit yet defies belief. Hill will never be fit enough. He is too slow and simply won't improve that! For any Rangers defender to be caught out by Boyd the way Hill was is nothing short of a disgrace. Hill should not be playing for Rangers, he is a waste of a jersey and a waste of a wage.

As for Kiernan, I must have been watching different games! He gets caught out consistently with balls over the top, he is slow, he can't tackle, head the ball or read the game. Another one that should be nowhere near the first team.

We need two quality centre backs, right now Wilson is the best of a bad lot!



27 Aug 2016 14:43:41
Actually ross w I go to almost every game home and away can u tell me a game apart from the tims we played well then, as soon as the cultic game game was passed we believed our own hype and fell to bits conceding goals left right and centre is that no true? And to answer another question look at the job micinnes and Neilston have done with a fraction of our budget or am I wrong on that too?



27 Aug 2016 14:33:09
Lescott heading to aek Athens apparently. never joined us because of family reasons aye no botha. we couldn't afford him simple.



27 Aug 2016 14:44:45
Yeah it does bring into question the whole fiasco. It would be interesting to hear what the player himself says about the situation as if he signs for them then it's clearly not about family.



27 Aug 2016 14:45:32
Maybe his wife liked the idea of 35+ degrees Athens to Glasgow?



27 Aug 2016 14:59:14
Yeah and maybe he didn't want to have to bring his Children into the fishbowl that is Glasgow. Playing for a member of the oldfirm. Biffo you can't try to pretend you understand a situation you have no information from to base it on, have never been in or had to do. So what the Manager is lying now is that what your trying to say that MW is a liar? He doesn't come up for a medical unless terms are agreed.



27 Aug 2016 15:02:40
I can't say how, but like I said at time I know he never sat any medical for a fact.

Looks like villas claims that he never agreed terms is true. My guess is that it broke down because villa would only part fund his wages for last year of his contract, not the full 2 years, but that's just a guess.



27 Aug 2016 15:11:57
Where did anyone call manager a liar?

Calm down with the legal highs Ross, your seeing things that aren't there.



27 Aug 2016 15:18:16
Yeah you assume I'm even talking to you and that's your mistake Mr Negative so your post on "legal highs" doesn't even make sense since you are right I'm not even applying it to you and that's why it doesn't make sense.



27 Aug 2016 15:27:54
You hadn't even posted on this, I start the statement by saying Biffo, yet you still somehow came to that conclusion.



27 Aug 2016 15:41:37
RossW

Has it ever occurred to you that the player himself might not have been honest with Warburton and that's why I posted it would be interesting what he had to say. So before you jump in accusing me of saying the manager is a liar maybe you should think a little and not see things that haven't been said.



27 Aug 2016 15:46:40
What part would he be dishonest about? He wouldn't have traveled up for a medical if terms weren't agreed and to be honest he looked set to sign up until the very last second. Every legitimate source be it Sky sports or the manager himself said it was a last minute change of heart. Maybe he did want more money but that doesn't imply we didn't offer him enough. Players don't travel for medicals until terms are agreed, I'm not saying you are directly saying he is a liar but it feels like by saying he didn't agree terms after the gaffer comes out saying "its complete nonsense the player had a last minute change of heart and that happens in football, we had everything agreed and the player decided it wasn't the right move for him" implies you are saying that he is making it up therefore lying.



27 Aug 2016 16:38:52
Perhaps Mr King wouldn't part with the Cash! Seems to be another Mr Moonbeams like Murray! He could provide over rather embarrassing season if something is not done to sort out that central defence!



27 Aug 2016 14:04:50
Not got the players to play 4-3-3, missed a trick in not signing McAuley and Grigg, perhaps when Windass, Crooks and Holt return things will improve.



27 Aug 2016 14:12:24
That's the point I made in games like that you need people with a bit of grit and power as well as an engine (Windass, Crooks and Holt respectively) and that's why I feel the gaffer said we couldn't do much tactically to change that. Poor going forward and the hyperbole surrounding our defensive play is laughable how many goals have been due to fault by our defensive play and how many games have we been able to start a consistent back four due to injuries. Time is what we need the explosion of disgust by some people just isn't realistic.



27 Aug 2016 14:40:23
RossW1995

What are you basing your claim that Holt, Windass and Crooks are the answer? Crooks has yet to play, Windass has only played a couple of games and Holt the same.



27 Aug 2016 14:54:31
Can't judge too much on one game, but if your honest you would admit we haven't played a single decent game since beating Celtic on penalties.

Hard work on the training field and the manager coming up with plan b, c and d is the answer.

Tell me another club in world football (other than barca) that doesn't change their tactics to suit opponents?

Every manager in Scotland knows what we are going to do, and unlessn we are on top form then it becomes a major struggle.

Thing that concerns me is team's this season are pressing us higher up pitch and outnumbering us in midfield areas.



27 Aug 2016 15:01:02
Not the answer, but a different tactical option which then could result in being the answer to a problem like yesterday. Every player is so diverse and different from the next we just need time to get everyone fit.



27 Aug 2016 15:04:28
Good point biffo.



27 Aug 2016 13:54:33
Kris Boyd outrunning someone but.

If that doesn't make him realise our centre backs are poor then don't know what will.

Surely big Davie sitting there must have something to say about it. Should have the best run defence in the league with him there. Obv sees something in training. But definitely not showing it on matchday. Senderos and another centre half needs to be done before the window closes. And the right midfield 3 needs to found now. Barton/ rossiter/ Halliday. All want the DM role. Then niko. Forester. Holt. Windass. To make up the other two. You'd think Barton would be used to a higher tempo. Specially with playing in the English championship. If not the hardest league in the world to come out of. Step up joey. No Twitter. No comments. Concentrate and do the talking on the pitch.



27 Aug 2016 14:47:07
It was a very decent pass from a play broke down in midfield and if the mistake wasn't made there they wouldn't have failed the offside trap hence him running away from them. Midfield not defence.



27 Aug 2016 16:10:22
Bang on Ross. barton seems to b getting away scot free with last nites goal.



27 Aug 2016 13:06:18
Need a centre back with pace ASAP, if KRIS BOYD can beat them for pace then we're going to be in big trouble when coming up against quicker players this season.



27 Aug 2016 13:55:37
Totally agree getting in Hill was a joke. 37 year old guy with a recent history of injuries. Guy was finished years ago.



27 Aug 2016 14:14:14
We would have been better playing that boy from Raith rovers than Hill.



27 Aug 2016 14:14:16
To be fair he hasn't looked any worse in terms of fitness than Barton or Kranjcar like them he probably just needs time you don't play in the EPL as a centre back if you can't defend especially with the appearances he's racked up, forgetting his two goals also, feel the squad just needs more time and people are getting upset far too quickly.



27 Aug 2016 15:09:53
Ross you do realise time takes its toll on everyone. Hill was brought in as a player coach. Already it looks like the coach role is more for him.

I think the hill of a few years ago would have dealt with boyds run without much problem.

Just because weir was timeless doesn't mean every defender is.



27 Aug 2016 17:41:27
Keirnan simply had to cover across and blooter it away but the guy is a total lump. Most worrying for me is that Warbs seems to really rate him.



27 Aug 2016 12:35:53
Where is josh windass? He got injured weeks ago and what sort of injury has he got, we are far to slow in our build up, what's happened to the fast football from last season and can't we identify 2 good centre halfs.



27 Aug 2016 13:35:44
Totally agree Govan Bear, we witnessed a high tempo pressing game last year with exciting fast passing - why has it all of a sudden become slow and boring with no creativity?
As everybody knows the CBs are woeful and every tackle Rossiter makes is a foul.
I would also drop Wallace and McKay and make Barton captain.

Tavarnier and Forrester have been our best players so far!

My team to ask questions of opposition would be

Foderingham

Hodson. New CB Wilson

Tavernier Barton Krancjar Forrester

Windass

Dodoo. Garner


Subs From - Waghorn Wallace Keirnan Crooks McKay Rossiter Miller Halliday Gilks.



27 Aug 2016 14:10:40
I wouldn't disagree too much with that team but you will get pelters for leaving out Wallace! That doesn't mean that I disagree, I don't believe that he is captain material and he is struggling in the SPL. Problem for me is centre back and striker, (especially with young Dodoo injured) . We need a fast strong centre back. We won't find that on a free transfer.

Still, I doubt that King is worrying. He has banked the season ticket moneyy and shown no signs of delving into his piggy bank for some decent quality defenders!



27 Aug 2016 12:32:24
Should have spent the 1.5m on a centre back and need to start playing 442.



27 Aug 2016 12:42:29
the formation doesn't matter it's the way we play.



27 Aug 2016 13:27:47
Teams play 5 to our 3 in midfield and 2 of ours are holding midfielders .



27 Aug 2016 12:14:30
Right, am back from a good sleep and a jog today, went in deep last night over the teams performance, I still stick to what I said! Struggling against Hamilton Dundee Motherwell and Kilmarnock isn't good enough, yeah ok we've brought in 11 players so far this campaign, but we've bought in experience players, that should b able to stroll it up here, we're actually carrying them! It takes time to bed in together I get that, but if we had got them 4 teams in the cup last year, we'd a wiped the floor with them, now we've got (what we think) is a better squad this season than last, and it ain't looking like that, when I saw the first 4 fixtures, leading up to the old firm, it was a 12 point banker, we play great fast attacking football, teams will sit in, we'll b able to break them down, that's what I thought, we're struggling big time, we look scared, we look slow, we only start playing when we go a goal down, it's not good enough, bottom line is here, 4 games into the season we're looking for favours from every other club to take points off each other, we r Glasgow Rangers, we don't roll that way, we play we score we take points simple, that's not the case, it's just so disappointing to watch! Feel for the fans that where there AGAIN IN NUMBERS last night cheering on there team from start to finish, but going home unhappy, remember last year the Quote was from MW &DW, send the fans home happy! Well please do that then lads, it's not good enough.



27 Aug 2016 13:02:59
I agree with everything you've said mate. I was wildly optimistic about this year due to the way we played at times last year (especially against them) and the better personnel we've brought in, but the team just looks a mess so far.
Our passing is too slow, our finishing has been terrible, we won't even mention the defence and even the managers team selections and substitutions have left me scratching my head.
Hopefully Aberdeen and Celtic draw and we somehow manage to get a result off of them and then we can wipe the slate clean and push on. The thing that worries me is for all MW goes on about learning lessons, he never actually shows it. You could spray paint the words "Kiernan is mince" on the dressing room wall and he would walk by it smiling without taking it in. Considering he has Davie Weir beside him it makes you wonder how they can't send out a starting 11 that doesn't look like folding defensively every time some mediocre team attacks us.
Come on Rangers, sort this mess out!



27 Aug 2016 17:44:25
Agree with the sentiment of your post . Fix the defence and the rest will come, I think there is a lack of confidence in the defence which is running throughout the team. We lose a goal and it's "here we go again " play much better when we go 1 up .



27 Aug 2016 12:01:05
For the first time since they came in I can honestly say I'm really disappointed with the management team. Every bit of good work done over the summer is being cancelled out due to the fact we still haven't sorted out our defence. I honestly don't think we needed 10 players. 5 good ones would have been fine (Rossiter, Garner, Dodoo, Hodson and a new CB) and use the youth for squad numbers like every other team has to.
He's took a good team and made it look worse imo.
Hill should start coaching now, he's not fit for purpose. Kiernan is the worst CB since the swede that Le Guen bought. We are a shambles at the back it's embarrassing. Teams know we're good for at least one mistake a game and then just sit back and make it impossible to penetrate after they get their goal.
I fear Senderos is going to be injured more than play and if we're left with Kiernan or Hill bedside Wilson we will not finish above Hearts or Aberdeen never mind Septic.
The one positive note from this season is Taverniers form. He gets a lot of stick on here but has been our best player since he came in imo.
Move Wallace to CB bedside Wilson, Hidson in at LB. or actually go out and buy a CB oR our season will be over before it starts.



27 Aug 2016 12:27:15
Defence? You mean midfield right?



27 Aug 2016 12:43:59
Ross the midfield have been terrible as well but we have an abundance of talent there, too many if truth be told. Rossiter, Barton, Halliday, Holt, Windass, Kranjcar, Forrester, Crooks. This is not the problem.
For CB's we have Wilson (who will go on to be a good player this year IF (and it's a big IF) we find him a decent partner. The other 2, Hill and Kiernan are terrible. Hill is correctly named as he's over one and Kiernan is simply not Rangers class. A guy sitting behind me against Motherwell hit the nail on the head, I said God knows how this guy played at English Champ level and he said "aye for about 20 teams on loan, nobody kept him for more than a season". And it's true, he should have been punted in the summer. If you can't do it in the Scottish Championship or against Killie, Well, Dundee and Hamilton then what chance do you have against Celtic, Aberdeen and Hearts?
A fit Senderos could be the answer, but why are we relying on a guy who's not played for years after signing 10 players we mostly didn't need. And the blame for this is at the managers door, he makes the final divisions. FMcP does what he does and finds guys like Rossiter and Barton but the manager decides who to sign. Why sign Barton, Rossiter and Crooks for the same position when we're crying out for 2 if not 3 decent CB's? It's because he thinks Kiernan is a player and that's what worries me the most.



27 Aug 2016 13:09:26
Who said there should be a statue of fmp outside ibrox again?



27 Aug 2016 13:33:09
You misread my post for a change Mr Nice (sarcasm incase you miss interpret that as well) . I said FMcP does what he does by identifying these players, it's up to the manager which permutations of these players he signs, and imo he's went wild in midfielders and attackers without fixing the only real problem we had last year which was defence.
Mcparland has been excellent for us.



27 Aug 2016 13:50:25
Think its a bit early to be slating management and players. I fear a section of rangers support only sing when their winning. We should leave that to Celtic fans. and support mW and the team.



27 Aug 2016 13:57:48
Would hardly say he went wild with attackers. We have brought 2 in and lost 1 so it's hardly going wild.



27 Aug 2016 14:00:18
Mr not so nice with the usual negativity, only team i know who brings in 11 players and is expected to click immediately. Especially after the disaster of a preseason we were forced to endure which obviously didn't challenge us correctly. Once we get the balance in the midfield we will be fine. We aren't any worse at defending than celtic.



27 Aug 2016 14:06:33
11 players? There was 7 or 8 from last season u do realise that don't you.



27 Aug 2016 14:17:42
It is going wild when you consider what we have in defence. Right now with Wislon out we have Hill and Kiernan, who going by any game I've seen them playing in look worse than playing with no CB's. I would have happily went with Miller, Waggy, Dodoo and MOH if it meant getting someone like Marriappa in.
Hopefully this result causes a knee jerk reaction and we go out and bring in Senderos and someone else at CB because it will be a long year if we don't.
Anyone who has read any of my posts over the years would know I'm a glass half full guy and it really pains me to write negative stuff about the team but I backed them after Hamilton and took the 3 points against Dundee and Well over a good performance, but when you take last night into consideration and add it all up its simply not good enough.
Ross I agree with what your saying about gelling in and I'm also aware we have a few still to come back from injury/ get match fit but we should still have too much for the teams we've come up against, it only gets harder from here in and if the manger can't see the gaping holes in our team after these 4 games it doesn't bode well for the future imo.



27 Aug 2016 14:17:48
Ross, I doubt that there is a worse centre back pairing in the SPL than the one we saw last night. Even I would fancy my chances against Hill and Kiernan and I am 63. In 55 years of watching Rangers this is one of the worst centre back partnerships I can recall!

What is also annoying is that our Captain, (and I applaud his loyalty), is not a leader. That is also a major problem for us each week.



27 Aug 2016 14:28:11
"We aren't any worse at defending than Celtic"

Is that a joke?

We weren't forced to endure a disastrous preseason- who forced us exactly? I haven't heard Mark McGhee make any complaints if your trying to use the cup as an excuse.



27 Aug 2016 14:43:31
Recbob

I actually agree with a lot you say and your right we should have too much for the teams we have played so far. Some people on here seem to be so far from reality and can't see that the current team and formation aren't working. I would say it's just an honest assessment rather than being pessimistic.



27 Aug 2016 14:51:01
Ok now we are comparing ourselves to Motherwell and how they prepare? Yeah that makes complete sense since Motherwell haven't complained that makes them being forced to do a preseason schedule that didn't suit or challenge us at all. Would MW have chose that preseason? No then that's the definition of being forced to do a sub par preseason. Usual from you Mr Nice Celtic have conceded far more goals than we have against far lesser position but as usual you are so extreme Mr not so nice. Celtic have been piss poor defensively where they have out done us is going forward how you can't see that when there conceding 4 goals over two legs and dropping goals at astana or whatever they're called then you're a joke. If you think that's better than how we are defending I can't help you.



27 Aug 2016 11:16:52
Some people on here are having a laugh. Yes Rangers have been poor so far this season but my God look where we have came from. We have dropped 4points, not exactly bottom 6 form is it? Remember how many new players we have bedding in. I'd be very surprised if we didn't improve drastically over the next month or so.



27 Aug 2016 11:39:19
It's not the result- it's manner of it.

Killie bossed the game in first half, they both out played and out fought us.

We looked impotent going forward, aside from a wonder goal we never threatened even against 10 men.

I always said this season would be a major struggle.

MW is facing his first real test.



27 Aug 2016 11:47:55
It's that fact that we couldn't break down ten men of imo the second worst team in the league dropping 4 points wouldn't be bad against them hearts or dons but it's not we have drew with the 2 worst teams in the league not acceptable with 11 men never mind 10.



27 Aug 2016 11:51:49
The thing that worries me is mw response after the game. "That he couldn't do any tactics wise to change game" well your not at Brentford now your expected to win every game. There's no fluency in the play this season. He's brought in 10 players and still hasn't solved defence problems.



27 Aug 2016 12:06:12
mt nice, where he is going wrong i think is he keeps picking the wrong mix of players and has this obsession about subs after 60 minutes.
i also think he needs to develop flexibility on the 4 3 3 thing to change maybe to 4 4 2 or even 532 depending on how a game is going. my biggest gripe about Warbs is that Stevie Wonder could see our defensive problems from last season, yet he is addressing it as the LAST piece of the jigsaw? weird in my opinion.



27 Aug 2016 12:26:38
You criticise him for saying that but what else could he have actually done tactically to win? How would any other tactics have broke down that team with everyone back behind the ball? They brought there pitch in 6 yards each side and its plastic as ****. Making out like he doesn't know he's a Rangers manager he's always respectful of that fact just another senseless opinion anyone with a high enough brain cell count can see our midfield is lacking drive (we have two players to provide this Windass and Holt and there injured) and Steel (big Crooksy) for games like that. They were injured so what tactically could have been done? We have been weak in the middle of the park because you'd rather criticise the defence than pointing fingers at the likes of Barton and Haliday who haven't done anything yet. With Wilson at the back we are usually solid and we have only conceded three goals, one a screamer one a deflection and one due to losing the ball cheaply in midfield so I don't see where the criticism from the defence comes from.



27 Aug 2016 12:27:11
Whilst I agree with a lot of what you say, Mr nice it depends what you mean by major struggle. Do you mean-to win the league, finish in the top six or even stay up? Personally winning the league has always been a bit of a dream (yeah I know 2nd is nowhere, being defeatist, negative and all that) but surely a top six finish is well within our scope. Holt must be back soon, Windass showed promise, Waghorn will be fit again, who knows about Crooks but he might even be good and surely we will find a better centre back pairing than Kiernan and Hill (from somewhere) . Maybe Barton will start justifying his reputation on the pitch rather than off and Niko will get fit enough to last 90 min. All these things can happen and quite a few certainly will. Last season we were throwing it away around Christmas then we beat Hibs, we pressed on and they fell apart. So win the league maybe not but a reasonable season is very much possible.



27 Aug 2016 12:30:36
He didn't sub after 60 minutes in the last three games wee bill do you pay any attention? And it isn't an obsession its simple sports science and loading people like yourself aren't smart enough to see why the gaffer does things and you just blurt out nonsense. Where are Crooks Windass and Holt? Injured they would have provided that different dimension that we desperately need but as always everyone has to have a go at the management team after 3 real games (4 if you include Burnley) A terrible preseason campaign forced on us by having to play in the shitfred cub. Our defence will be fine when we actually get the ballance in the three in midfield right (For me it has to be Barton Windass and Holt or Crooks in there)



27 Aug 2016 12:43:33
actually embarrassing the state some of the fans are behaving as soon as we have a bad spell.



27 Aug 2016 12:54:11
You seem to be the one with limited brain cells. Did you really just say we look solid in defence when wilson plays. We will concede in every game because we can't defend. And by the way rossw I can give my opinion all I want. that's the thing about being a fan I can give my opinion when ever I want. I was 1 of mccoists biggest critics so when mw needs criticism I will give it.



27 Aug 2016 13:23:10
We have conceded three goals and Wes has had minimal to do yet you think the issue lies with the defence, every goal can be traced back to a midfield mistake and we were by far the poorest in that area this season. Yeah you can but it won't stop me pointing out how silly it is if it doesn't even appl, our tactics do change you just aren't bright enough to see the wingers being swapped or McKay and Forrester swapping mid to attack respectively as well as us effectively working both flanks at the right time we are lacking grit and drive in midfield and that's why we have looked poor and I'm not worried about what you think I regularly assume I'm the smartest person in a conversation highlighted by the fact I write fairly articulated points on a regular basis and at times I write posts as long as articles so to try and turn the low brain cell count on me is just another senseless mage from yourself.



27 Aug 2016 14:02:10
RossW1995

Do you honestly think that Celtic wouldn't have been able to break down Kilmarnock under the same circumstances as we had last night? Killie are going to be in the bottom 3 yet we could beat them.



27 Aug 2016 14:07:12
Yeah fair enough but I'm not the one criticising the defence like the problem lies there. If we were firing on all cylinders like we would want Biffo we wouldn't be drawing these games, the issue isn't our defenders its injuries and lack of proper attacking play, Garners just in the door and our physicallity in midfield (Crooks and Windass) are injured so having to dig deep and draw out games like those just aren't tactically possible without those kinds of player and that's what I feel the point MW was tying to make, I just can't see why anyone would say "This defence needs sorted" when its going forward we have lacked penetration and drive. The defence has done its job in terms of defending considering the only goal that can be faulted to them was the one yesterday which I would still say is poor midfield play.



27 Aug 2016 14:21:54
Sorry but if anyone believes that Hill and Kiernan are decent quality centre backs then god help us. Hill is a total joke and Kiernan is not far behind him. For me, two new centre backs would have been the major priority and bringing in a 37 year old centre back with no speed and a generally poor ability to defend has been a total disaster!



27 Aug 2016 14:54:45
Wilson has looked a solid CB since he was 17 until he got paired with Kiernan. We have 4 days to save our season and I really worry if Senderos is the last of our transfer activity, only due to his fitness troubles over the year. We can't afford to gamble on him being fit.
Also agree with giving the boy from Raith a chance, he looked a player against us last year.



27 Aug 2016 17:39:29
Yes, hopefully a Euro place.



27 Aug 2016 10:58:05
Once again left disappointed after watching Rangers play this season. Even when Kilmarnock went down to 10 men I wasn't convinced we would get a winner (unfortunately proved correct) . In my time watching Rangers, we have often had indifferent and sometimes poor starts to a season but still won the league, or at least mounted a challenge - Advocaat had a poor start and even some of Walter Smiths teams had slow starts but there was always a belief that those teams could go on a run of winning 10/ 15 games and would win when needed to. Granted they had more money and better players but the current Rangers team seems to be playing without any belief, a lack of leadership and without any real impetus in the final third. To often this season we have given away cheap goals and made it difficult for ourselves. Our defence gets a lot of stick, and rightly so, but its our offensive play that worries me more. We seem to have a lack of ideas and our link up-play between the front 3 and midfield is ponderous at best and easy for the opposition to defend. If we used the ball better in the final third it would take the pressure off our defence. With every game he misses Holt looks a better player for me as he was one who linked the attack n midfield and would also make good runs into the box - hopefully he returns soon. We also appear to have a lack of pace - Tav n Mckay have some but not enough throughout the team. Warburton has been a breath of fresh air since his arrival but at the moment the players are appear to be playing without belief in the system he has adopted - he somehow needs to get the players playing otherwise any form of challenge for the title will be over before Halloween. I'm confident he can do it but the team needs to improve and quickly -- we have had 4 league games this season and I can't really say we were better last night than we were against Hamilton, maybe it will take a defeat for the players / manager to realise it needs to change but just hoping there is a turnaround quickly otherwise it will be a long season.



27 Aug 2016 11:22:53
I don't think our defence getting criticism is right since half the time mistakes are made in midfield which left our defence being exposed. Constantly have been saying our defence is actually not that bad if we sowed up midfield we wouldn't be allowing teams these chances. Celtic's defence isn't any better than ours they just have had the same team for 3 seasons and have only brought in 2 or 3 players so its much easier for them to gel immediately than bringing in eleven new players.



27 Aug 2016 11:30:43
TheGreatDane86,I don't care who we've signed to date wee jason holt would always be in my team and one of the first names on the teamsheet, I agree with you as he links everything from middle to front with zip, also a great timer of runs beyond our strikers into the box, although not as good wee holty reminds me of ian durrant, there has to be a place for him in our midfield 3 and I don't care at who's expense, that's my opinion!



27 Aug 2016 11:57:22
RossW1995 - I understand what you mean; a number of our goals we have lost is due to giving the ball away cheaply in midfield / final third and then not having the fight to win it back or track runners. However, last night for example, Mckay gave the ball away cheaply in the final third and midfield (esp Barton) failed to get near the Kilmarnock player but for me that is still no excuse for Boyd being able to out pace both Kiernan and Hill - both looked lost, failed to either play offside or get goalside, and it looked easy for Boyd. Too often our defence is suspect at cross balls and our defenders appear to lack any positional sense, and are generally second to every ball - that for me justifies criticism.



27 Aug 2016 12:03:43
The defence is shocking, although the whole team has underperformed so far. The thing that annoys me is the manager can't see it and starts the same underperforming players every week. Kiernan is a joke, he's had one good game against Celtic and the rest he's been shocking.



27 Aug 2016 12:20:38
To be fair Boyd's movement has always been good and you still see miller out pacing defenders if his runs are right and you can't take the finish away. I said say Boyd would score he's a good a finisher as any. Hill was playing and he is probably our slowest player so he will get outpaced but he personally hasn't impressed so far.



27 Aug 2016 12:43:59
jason holt injured so he can't play.



27 Aug 2016 13:07:21
Boyds movement has never been good.

His finishing and positioning are his key attributes.



27 Aug 2016 13:38:31
Cee I know wee holt is injured but I'm saying in general warbs has imo to get him in our starting 11 no matter at who's expense, the problem I see and is how I'm commenting on it now is because I think there's a very good chance that warbs won't start with holt even when he's fit and I think that's wrong.



27 Aug 2016 18:25:31
Apart from 20 minutes at Easter Road, McKay has been terrible since the Celtic game. He's one who should be benched until he recovers enough confidence to go past a defender.



27 Aug 2016 10:45:28
Disappointing performance last night but it reiterates the conversation I was having with delboy we have been poor going forward all season and for me that's why we look poor defensively we just aren't at it yet. Again our best centre half was injured so we had to play Hill who for me like Barton, Kranjcar ect still need more game time. A lot of people may also forget we have brought in 11 (when we get a cb) signings so it will take time coupled with the fact that our engine room (Holt and windass.



27 Aug 2016 11:07:35
(apologies wrote this on my phone and accidentally sent) We lack any drive in midfield and that's where I feel we are lacking. I have said on my occasions Haliday won't cut it. The fact he is a Rangers fan shouldn't matter he's held in far to high regards and because of that he feels as if he deserves to play. He is our worst cdm. We can't play Barton/ Kranjcar/ Haliday/ Rossiter together since none of them are any good at box to box play and that coupled with the lack of the tank crooks is why we look so weak its the middle of the park for me that's been letting us down. Shame for Dodoo yesterday I thought he would have had a good game.



27 Aug 2016 10:37:21
Morning fellow gers

We all seem to be at one another this morning. Granted last night was poor and a lot of players need to take a good look at themselves, joey B especially. Do your talking on the park mate, we all know your capable of bossing any game, we just need to see it.

I read in a previous post someone having a go at garner. FGS give the lad a chance he needs to find his feet. I'm old enough to remember when we wanted hateley out the door after a poor start and look how that turned out.

Since we beat Celtic in the cup we all expected to return to the big league and walk it to the title. Some of our hardest games will be against teams like killie that will sit in and grind a draw out of us, we just have to find a way to break them down.

The CB position must be fixed immediately, it's a bad day when big Boyd sprints clear of his market to score. No disrespect to hill but this isn't going to be as easy as maybe what he and a couple of others thought at first. They are at a club that demands results week in week out.

Read elsewhere on here this morning about sacking warburton come January. Are you still drunk from last night? Tell you what let's go back to McCoist and give him the job. MW has transformed us with little to no money in 15 months. The premier league is new to him also and he has to get his tactics spot on to break down these teams that r gona sit deep and park the bus. We are all rangers fans here and we should be getting behind our team and supporting the manager as opposed to calling for heads to roll after a slow start to the season.



27 Aug 2016 11:13:39
We were poor offensively we haven't been bad defensively you're exaggerating. We aren't any worse than Celtic at the back. We have conceded three goals and all of them if you actually watch back were caused by poor play from midfield (Whether it be Kranjcar diving in Barton losing his man or last night) leaving our defence exposed. Sick of reading about our defence when its the midfield that's really been letting us down this season. Wes had nothing to do last night outwith the goal if we were actually firing on all cylinders we wouldn't have drew.



27 Aug 2016 11:18:24
We never actually beat Celtic, we drew with them! If u put on a bet for rangers to win, you would have lost.



27 Aug 2016 11:52:02
James2016

Why bring Ally up? Not as if he is the only alternative to Warburton should he leave. You speak about having no money however he has the 2nd biggest budget in the league and I don't see Hearts or Aberdeen spending Β£1.8m on a player. Warburton keeps persisting with Kiernan and how many times does he have to play poorly before he realises he isn't the answer. To only bring in Hill is a joke and that was shown last night when Boyd ran by him to score. We have no plan B and he keeps playing the same players who continually let us down. We have struggled against 4 of the weaker teams in the league and have very little penetration. The midfield is laboured and we are easy to defend against.



27 Aug 2016 12:09:24
I'm with you Biffo, the more MW plays Kiernan the more I think he actually hasn't got a clue what he's doing. With him running about like a headless chicken it just makes the whole defence look disjointed. when he tried to run out of defence last night and ran straight into a Kille player I would have taken him off and never played him again after it. He is the worst player in that squad. He looked dodgy at Championship level but it wasn't highlighted because we were scoring more than the other teams but at this level he looks like Bambi on ice.
Miller shouldn't be playing more than 30 mins either at this level.



27 Aug 2016 18:17:23
Kiernan, McKay and Miller need to be replaced quick.



27 Aug 2016 16:41:10
Great post squire, I too am very miffed about the sack warburton crew on here the man and his staff have worked wonders since he got here although I must admit I thought we would have found it a little bit easier than we are doing at the minute but after the Hamilton game I did realise that this will be a long hard slog for us this season and I do think that holt and windlass should make a big difference to our team when they become available again.



27 Aug 2016 10:33:18
Tell me guys if I'm wrong here, but is it not time for joey Barton to concentrate on showing how he's leagues ahead of players in this country and forget trying to wind up Celtic players and management, focus on our team and forget them, on playing side think we are missing the industry of Jason holt. looking forward to seeing windlass n crooks, on our latest showings they will get their chance, on warbs, somethings he said after game last night was bewildering!, he said tactically thers not much else he could do, really .



27 Aug 2016 11:00:29
He said that because he won't budge from they tactics which is stupid i know. the formation he plays is only effective if your a barca, madrid or bayern which we arent. look at leicster or athletico, they have a shocking amount of possesion in games yet look at the success they have. our fullbacks are under instructions to bomb on the second the ball gets to the halfway line but barton and hallidays passing is shocking at times so when they lose it the fullbacks have to double back by which time the opposition winger/ strikers already boering down on our goal. if barcas midfield couldn't pass the same would happen to them but unfortunatly buscuets, iniesta, rakitic are a tad better than barton and halliday.



27 Aug 2016 11:14:27
Clearly not 100% match fit yet like most of the squad and its the only team I know that brings in a potential 11 players and is expected to gel immediately.



27 Aug 2016 10:55:10
bitter because we knocked him back shadow, that's all it is mate.



27 Aug 2016 09:55:55
Luke Forrester? I much prefer Bobby Barton maself .



27 Aug 2016 09:47:03
I think its a bit sad you can't have an opinion on manager without getting shot down, can anybody say what Warburton has actually done? Any half decent manager should have won championship comfortably with our budget but this seems to be enough for people, people say we play great football but apart from old firm game we ain't played well from about February, my main criticism if I'm allowed is 1- he won't change tactics no matter what 2- why the he'll have we got 8 or 9 midfielders and no decent centre backs? We.



27 Aug 2016 10:13:44
Totally agree big blue Ayr and I said it last season that he needs to be judged on this season and so far it's been very disappointing. The team has struggled in all 4 league games so far against the weaker teams in the league, the defence is shocking yet nothing has been done about it and his tactics are predictable.



27 Aug 2016 10:21:55
No one is shooting you down - everyone is entitled to their view, however, "supporters" who constantly whine and criticise do nothing for the cause.

Which have decent manager would you replace MW with? Want attractive football or back to McCoist?

New team will take time to gel and find the perfect balance and blend of team. defender will come in and improve thinks but right now it's a steep learning curve for everyone.

Support the team - no-one performs well if all they get is negativity.



27 Aug 2016 11:18:58
Don't kid yourself on February you probably don't watch every game. We stopped playing after the Old Firm game your hyperbole is laughable. MW has done miracles with what he has. What could he have changed the tactics to since you're a mastermind? Wait and we will play a long ball up when we never do that ever. We have a lot of midfielders because they do all the running and that's where we need the biggest pool of players. Our centre backs have been fine we have been poor in the middle of the park and if you can't see that then your clueless. We are missing our steel (Crooks) and our drive (Windass and Holt) hence why we have looked poor. What else could MW have done last night he was right stop trying to pretend like you have enough information to make an assessment on the manager "what has he actually done" you don't see what he does everyday so your opinion is useless and false. Wes had nothing to do last night again and we have conceded three goals. If we could actually penetrate we wouldn't be drawing games at all.



27 Aug 2016 11:55:53
BR65

Are you saying that should Warburton leave then the only alternative is Ally? Do you think we have been playing attractive football this season? People are being honest and if it's negative then so be it. Our defence is poor and I don't know how anyone can say otherwise, midfield has been laboured and we don't get the ball forward quick enough. Can you disagree with that and if so tell us what you think of the start in the league.



27 Aug 2016 12:17:56
Ross if we are not playing well then something has to change. I was one of MW's biggest fans when he came in and I still think he will get it right but he needs to realise that if we are chasing a game and going to lose 2 points then we must throw everything but the kitchen sink at teams. Mourinho even said it the other day, he doesn't think Felliani is the greates player in the squad but when the chips are down throw some crossss at him and he will more than likely win you the points. We have no variation in our play whatsoever, and whilst we're giving away cheap goals and allowing teams to completely park the bus then that isn't good enough. We've had the easiest 4 games possible before the old firm game and we're lucky to have only dropped 4 points imo. I've been defending the team up until last night but at some point we must realise we have simply not been good enough.
Philosophy is all well and good when your blowing away championship teams, winning the league no matter what is a different ball game altogether and right now we are miles away from that.



27 Aug 2016 09:31:09
I think the main problem at the minute is that mw does not know his strongest 11,give it time and then judge.



27 Aug 2016 09:25:03
After last nights performance its clear we have no cutting edge and we prefer to pass back all the time. We have no cb they are slower than strathclyde buses on a sunday. How easy did Boyd get away from them. As for a leader sorry Wallace is not a leader. We need 2 CB a right back who knows how to defend, Gardner to be playing from the start and someone to feed him McKay played for 10 minutes last night when the Killie defence were tired. Shocking if MW thinks that is a good team. The finishing was terrible.



27 Aug 2016 09:45:56
Agreed with most of that, however Tav hasn't put a foot wrong so far this season.



27 Aug 2016 10:15:11
For Boyd to get away from our centre backs like that is embarrassing. Warburton has actually managed to find a worse centre back than Kiernan in Hill.



27 Aug 2016 10:15:11
πŸ‘ tavernier easily our best player so far.



27 Aug 2016 11:57:41
Iwdawson

Yes I agree about Tavernier so far this season. I have been very critical about him however fair play to him he has done well. Let's hope he continues to play as well in the next 3 games where our defence will really be tested.



27 Aug 2016 09:18:43
As per normal I was at rugby park last night and thought the first half performance was well below par! Its well documented our defence needs sorted out which of course it does and if senderos signs I would have him and wilson as our centre half pairing, I also think our midfield is unbalanced, my 3 in there would be either barton or rossiter anchoring, holt and forrester, my front 3 would be mckay on the left, garner centre and either o'halloran or waghorn on the right, what's your thoughts fellow bears on this?



27 Aug 2016 09:49:04
I basically agree with this but I quite Luke Forrester as one of the front 3, or better yet. no front 3! Do away with that formation because it isn't working.



27 Aug 2016 10:18:14
Rossiter, holt, windass. mckay, garner, waggy would b my middle to front.



27 Aug 2016 11:02:46
Who is Luke Forrester? Is he Harry's brother?



27 Aug 2016 12:07:57
Predictive text boys. Was supposed to say like, and fine well you know it, ya cheeky wee monkeys :)



27 Aug 2016 09:09:20
As per normal I was at rugby park last night.



27 Aug 2016 09:37:51
Didn't know you were a killie fan WARBS15? ! You seem to go to Rugby Park an awful lot!



27 Aug 2016 08:46:30
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the faults and weaknesses and contrary to the lessons we're supposed to be getting we're learning nothing. I'll leave criticism aside because that's been well covered these past 10 hours and I'll just say that I hope Joe Garner gets diving coached out of him at Rangers very quickly. To steal a bit of McCoist's famous rallying call, we don't do diving. I don't think yellows are good enough for cheating, straight red.



27 Aug 2016 08:17:13
Am still not buying into this 'do plan A better' cause plan A better still won't work. He needs to change the formation, its nice to watch but not effective against well organised teams. We are just lucky killi didn't had a speedster up front.
I feel for the CD though as long as he plays this system they will always look poor, we don't have European class players, who for this system to work at the highest level need to play one touch football not the 3 touch we play.



27 Aug 2016 06:34:55
Barton needs to stop playing to the supporters with his trash talk, and start doing what he gets payed for he was Rank last night. Hill needs to hang up his boots if Chris Boyd can out run you and we gave no leader on the field no one driving the team on I could go on, we were really poor and don't appear to have moved on or have a Plan X Y or Z again!



27 Aug 2016 07:39:08
Spot on Barton wouldn't start at celtic park for me as he doesn't have the legs and also stick on for a red card.



27 Aug 2016 08:21:11
We have had a poor start to the season in terms of quality and rode our luck a bit. We have a lot of the ball in dangerous areas but can't create much. We probably should have won last night if we had taken our chances and got one of the penalties. They were due one too tho.

I think we need to be realistic tho we've just come up and last season's players need to adapt to new level and how organised the teams are at the top.

Our new players need to get used to the game up here and gel with the rest of the squad.

Its hard to be overly critical of the team but its disappointing have not hit the ground running but that's just our pride and what we are used to being rangers fans we have massive expectations lol.

Team will cone good.



27 Aug 2016 17:10:52
I have to agree with bongo fellow bears; it may be too early in season and we are trying to integrate loads new players, but last night was not good enough.

If Boyd can play hill and kiernan like that what could happen at much tougher away venues against better forward lines? I have a few concerns 1) keeper and centre halves still worry me - how many goals will wes concede that don't even hit corner of net. he concedes far too many goals across him and kiernan and hill don't seem
to work. 2) our final ball is fairly poor - I'm a huge fan of wee Barry but when did he last beat a man or put in a cross that our strikers could finnish? 3) we can't seem to string a solid 90mins together. it's either a good first half and poor 2nd half (dens park) or vice versa 4) Warbs also still doesn't seem to know his best 11.

To add to our woes, we also now have a number of injuries when last season apart from waggy we were almost injury free - if you ask me we are badly missing wee holt's energy and drive and waggys goals, and now dodoo and Wilson added to Accrington pair are all crocked.

worrying times bears but I still back Warbs to sort us out!



27 Aug 2016 13:09:44
Camoo: Good post, we are just up and look how difficult it is to get the better of Celtic, Hearts and Aberdeen over 4 matches, that's a heck of a lot to ask, also having those 3 all away in one round of matches is a bit of an ask. I think we will come good and let's face it if you take 3 players of that quality out of any squad you will see the difference, you soon see it isn't so strong, looking forward to Waghorn linking with Garner. Still think we can upset them in 2 weeks, think we will take at least a point.



27 Aug 2016 01:24:40
Ffs man a can't actually beleive what I am reading on here the night. Some of u should get a grip of urself. Yeh its been a unimpresive start this season but we are unbeaten and it was always going to be a tricky return for us.

Mw is a smart man he will learn adapt and if has to change personel and formations he is not that stupid surley!

Stop making harsh judgemnets. We had had massive squad turn around again this season and have moved leagues again and the pressures now this year are ten fold!

Have faith rome was not built in a day!



27 Aug 2016 07:11:07
we need to give Kilmarnock credit here that's is a team of young teenage boys with the exception of a few (boyd, smith, decker and mcdonald) they defended well and has pace in midfield. our attack needs to have more movement, it just wasn't our night nothing went to plan. on to the next one.



27 Aug 2016 07:58:28
He needs to get holt and windass in the middle of the park when fit. there's absolutley no drive in there wotsoever. bartons towing an Rtic, rossiters just doing what he's supposed to do and i think forresters actually guilty of trying to much at times. again tav put in some great crosses for ther only to b 1 gers player in ther. that's wer we need midfield runners to break ther neck and get in the box and barton just doesn't give us that.



27 Aug 2016 09:04:14
Morning M3 bud, have you recieved any news about tickets for your pal?



27 Aug 2016 09:53:37
Think supporters have a right to be harsh. We've only come up against relegation candidates so far and have been found badly wanting and each game.



27 Aug 2016 10:20:26
Cee

We were playing the worst team in the league and played the last half hour against 10 men! They are rotten and will be scraping about the bottom 3 in the league. Our centre halves went out run and out muscled by Boyd! Can you not see how poor we have been and things aren't improving. I am worried we could get a thumping at Celtic park. If Boyd can out run our defence what do you think Griffiths, Sinclair and Roberts will do.



27 Aug 2016 00:31:13
OMG! We played a team who have taken the park in to smallest dimensions to nullify our threat of stretching them! They wasted time from the start of second half by breaking game up! We need time to gel yes our defensive issues need addressed yes we need to look at other options to break down dogged teams camping in! People coming away with niko dodoo etc not good enough are talking nonsense. dodoo hardly had a chance and niko is adjusting to a new league, his vision is incredible just needs time for other players to get used to his style he is the answer to breaking these teams down with clever passing but other players need to run and work around him and front man reading him to make the runs he's looking to hit! Get real folks!



27 Aug 2016 08:01:58
Agree that the players need time to integrate bu the part abt time wasting and narrowin the park is nonsense. we've done it to teams in the past ourselves. so when it happens to us we just have to ajust and find a way to win and not moan abt it.



27 Aug 2016 17:46:50
Niko is a class act, we have see that already, I think it is a case of coming up with answers, not like last season when we just turned up, Holt, Waghorn and Windass are coming in now, and we obviously miss Waghorn, I look forward to him linking with Garner, that could be productive, I think it will.



27 Aug 2016 00:29:01
4 games in and were this and that. Entitled to your opinions yes. But many of them are shocking. These are the same fans who 20 minutes into the first game of the season were already moaning. Love Warburton. What he's done is outstanding. If you told me this time last year. We would have Barton kranjcar etc. I would've laughed at you. But one thing he's not seeming to understand. Is our frailty at centre half. Two seasons. Kiernan and Wilson have blown hot and cold. Crying out for a decent centre half with a bit of recovery pace. Made Scott McDonald look a player at the weekend. And tonight kris Boyd. Yes. KRIS BOYD, beating hill with pace to go through and score. Says it all really. Hate saying it but a performance against the rotten mob like that we'll get skelped. Yeah senderos is coming may be better but a don't think he's one known for being quick over 5 metres. Specially with our wing backs pushing forward so much. Never going to change his style so has to get the right midfield 3. Barton rossiter and Halliday all can't play. One or the other. Get kranjcar fit. Only person with a bit of ability to unlock defences. Made the difference against Motherwell coming on.



27 Aug 2016 17:48:34
Could be Senderos will know how to station himself and not be exposed, therefore any lack of pace may not be an issue.



27 Aug 2016 01:32:17
I'll get pelters for this I'm sure but I think the signing of joe garner will prove to be an error.

Β£1.8m, 28yo, 6 goals in 44 games last term, only a proven goal scorer at league one level.

Also, I've watched him a number of times through his career to date and the lad, whilst certainly a trier, is not an intelligent footballer. His sensational, yet disparate, moments of brilliance are far outnumbered by his moments of idiocy; 2 of which were plain to see in his poor late challenge on the Kilmarnock CB and his disgusting dive.

I feel that, regardless of how well he does, we will never sell him for a profit which would seem a necessity for a club in our current situation and he has no goal scoring reputation that would suggest he will do any greater damage up here than the like Tom Bradshaw who we were also linked with.

Bear in mind Bradshaw cost under Β£1m and is 23 and a current international striker with his best years ahead of him.

Finally, I'd go further to suggest that we should really explore foreign leagues for greater value than that which is available in England. For a team like Derby to spend Β£1.8m on garner given their budget I could understand but for us to do so seems very risky.



27 Aug 2016 05:20:55
League one level is far superior to most of the spl! he's a worker a nuisance to defenders and a different option to our other front men! He will be used as the focal point of our attack so we need guys getting in and around him i see Holt coming back into the fold or windass making a difference.



27 Aug 2016 07:12:01
people on here were screaming for grigg and Bradshaw who have only done well at league one. the spl is that equivalent give the guy a chance.



27 Aug 2016 08:20:07
Bradshaw went for under Β£1m but there is no proof we were ever interested in signing him, give joe garner a chance I agree with other posts that Barton slows the play down but until holt and Windass are fit I can't see him being dropped. Also I would like to see McKay play as a number 10 attacking mid, he like kranjcar can deliver a killer ball, as much as I like McKay he doesn't go to the by line enough, for a boy with pace to burn I just don't think we see it enough.



27 Aug 2016 09:07:44
instead of buying garner we should have given hardie his chance and spent the 1.8m on a decent centre half. that should have been the priority, and i think Warbs got this wrong.



27 Aug 2016 01:27:14
Wish we would stop the messing about with the transfers and get a cb or 2 asap.



26 Aug 2016 22:49:50
First time post boys, thot 2nyt was embarrassing worst yet anybody who thinks we will finish top 3 with Warburtons tactics is deluded we have no pace no drive no plan b and we can't defend always thought the praise for Warburton was way ott every other manager in league has us worked out already they will all sit deep we seem to have no idea if he doesn't sort back 4 out by January I'm sorry but he should be getting the sack.



27 Aug 2016 00:47:40
Bigblue Ayr. πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚ aye ok. 4 games in and Warburton should be getting sacked. πŸ‘πŸ» got to laugh at some of the opinions.



27 Aug 2016 02:17:03
Played 4 won 2 drew 2 lost 0
Should have had 2 penalties tonight and 1 v Hamilton for Donatti assault in box.
Fact is we are integrating 10-11 players into squad have played 10 including friendlies and have lost 1.
Sellik have played 18 with majority of same squad and have only started clicking in last 4/ 5 games albeit they have conceded 8 goals in past 4 games.
Dropping 4 points already is a blow and minor setback but IMO worst we will finish is 2



27 Aug 2016 03:03:00
I totally agree mate. I have always thought the praise of Warburton was over the top. For example when you compared hearts record in the championship to ours you notice that Wilson done a far better job and on a much smaller budget and under harder circumstances but he was not getting the same praise.

My opinion of Warburton is that although I think he is a good coach, he lacks tactical knowledge and his team's are very one dimensional (the phrase do plan A better springs to mind) . I hope he proves me wrong but doubt he will.



27 Aug 2016 04:05:12
Should have read neilson and not Wilson. Stupid predictive text on tablet.



27 Aug 2016 06:56:59
Killie should have had a pen in 1st half as well but no mention of that.



27 Aug 2016 07:14:43
yous must be kidding on? we are playing the best football we have in years no longer do we need to put up with long ball pish and you want to sack the manager after an unbeaten start? we will atheist get top 3 and after 4 years out the league and less than half celtics budget it's not a bad season. we are rangers we do not sack managers after a couple of poor results.



26 Aug 2016 23:30:54
first thing i would do is drop mckay and tell him until he stops shirking every 50/ 50 he will not be playing again, think he is beginning to believe lots of BS said/ written about him.



27 Aug 2016 03:04:52
Think McKay is vastly overrated and would say Scottish championship is his level. Would much rather see Forrester or dodoo playing in his position.



27 Aug 2016 07:15:40
Jesus dodoo who has played less than 1 half of football or a Scottish international winger?



27 Aug 2016 10:20:11
I though Barry McKay was poor again up until the last 20 minutes or so then he started running at defenders and getting to the by line and crossing it in which is what he should be doing more often, but I agree I think he needs to be benched and brought on as an impact player for the last 20/ 30 minutes or so and give MOH his place to give him a run in the team because he seems to lack a bit of confidence for me, I think that would help both players out.



26 Aug 2016 23:24:14
Who starts the next game?

Foderingham

Tavernier-Senderos-Wilson-Wallace

Forrester-Barton-Windass

Waghorn-Garner-McKay

Expect Warburton to go with Miller, Keirnan and possibly Andy Halliday but this is step up time and we need everyone to be outstanding, like they were in the SF, get a result, and the last four bog standard performances will be forgotten.

Give us your all on the tenth Bears. All 14 have to give their all the minute they get on the pitch.

Just a thought. How good were our performances coming into the SF game last season? Seem to recall a few, "Lucky to lose by 3" nonsense remarks.



27 Aug 2016 03:07:26
If we don't give a good account of ourselves in the of game then Warburton is going to find out what real pressure is. Especially if we get beaten by a few.



27 Aug 2016 07:17:12
fod
tav kiernan Wilson wallace
rossiter Barton
windass

waghorn garner mckay

time for the players to step up!

there's no pressure it's 4 games in we are not expected to win this league this season some fans need to get a grip any excuse to criticise the manager. absolutely embarrassing.



27 Aug 2016 08:30:04
It's time to mix it up and go 3-5-2

Foderingham

Wilson
Kiernan
Barton

Wallace
Rossiter
Halliday
McKay
Tavernier

Garner
O'Halloran

Would have holt in every day of the week when fit! Also playing Barton at centre half as not much options there, could help organise what is indeed a shambles, McKay playing as a number 10, there is surely got to be space for a player with ohallorans pace to make runs for McKay to pick a pass.



26 Aug 2016 23:22:42
Think we should look at changing tactics everybody knows how we play and set up accordingly, 4-4-2, three centre backs something just so teams don't know how we are going to set up.



27 Aug 2016 00:10:02
Agree completely. I think the 4-3-3 will work against the better teams but against the others they know exactly what to do by crowding our midfield from the get go. We didn't start breaking them down tonight until they went down to ten men. It needs to be changed up to keep other teams on their toes. The whole "we didn't penetrate enough" and "we will learn from it and take it into the next one" isn't cutting it because it's been the same old same old the first four games now.



27 Aug 2016 17:56:08
Think it shows what a few injuries can do also, no matter how strong and varied a squad looks if you take 3 players out injured it creates a large gap in resources and you all of a sudden see this void which needs filled.



26 Aug 2016 23:02:42
Sorry to say it but some of you guys on here are a disgrace and an embarrassment to the club you supposedly support.

One minute everything is rosy, then everything is shit!

How many new players do we have?

How long have we been away from the top league?

We don't have Β£20m to spend so this year was always going to be a steep learning curve.

The "good day" supporters should be embarrased and get a life - opinions are welcome but all of this negativity about the team, the players, the board and the manager is sooooo dull.

Get a grip or GTF.



27 Aug 2016 00:51:27
Totally agree. Worst fans on the planet. 4 games in. Calling for heads. You told me this time last year we would've had Barton kranjcar etc I would've laughed at you.



27 Aug 2016 08:06:44
Sorry but we're no different to any other fans when ther team isn't doing well. do agree tho that some people take it to far like "sacked by xmas" comments but every1s entitled to vent the frustration.



26 Aug 2016 22:56:32
Before the season began the jury was out for me on our management due to there failure to address certain failures last year (central defence), after signings I was worried about (central defence)36 year old is certainly not the answer, rossiter and Barton can't obviously play together, these are things that are obvious to most of us but haven't been addressed, our manager has 1 system and can't or won't diverse from this, any good team has a solid spine, ie mourinho signings, our goalie ok, no commanding centre back, rossiter for me, no goal scoring striker, worrying times ahead, top 6 is a plus this season.



27 Aug 2016 04:45:27
Totally agree shadow bear, if the manager has only 1 way of playing and no back-up plan something is wrong. We have played 4 of the weakest teams in the SPL,2 draws, 2 scrappy wins, if we play the same way against the top teams we're going to be miď league by Xmas. LIAM442 said in his post, if he had been told last year we would sign Barton and Kranjcar he would have laughed, well 2 players don't make a team. MW has brought in players based on their past reputation and they're not cutting it. I know we have players out injured but something is wrong when a player gets injured during warm up. I have supported Rangers for over 50 years and what I'm seeing now doesn't fill me with confidence. Supporters on here talk about winning the league or coming 2nd, time to wake up guys, it's going to be a long time before we're there and for europe.
Will probably get slagged for this post but hey we're all entitled to our opinion right.



 
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