26 Sep 2013 11:39:27
Right Mr McCoist saluki as & Pandz have snubbed us & I'm actually glad decent players but not needed got too many CBs now. If you are not happy with the ones that are playing then give Gasparotto a chance? Wishful thinking I think. If it was my team then this is the side i'd play in the Ramsdens Cup If they lost so be it good experience for them
Playing together.
Simonsen
Mcausland Hegarty Gasparotto Wallace (Mitchell if he wasn't on loan)
McKay McLeod Crawford Aird
Clark Jig (To Captain)
Burrows & Telfer on the bench to get them in the mix aswell.
Gets 8 of the lads in the team & gives them a chance to step up & be match winners maybe cement there place in the team. Leaving them on the bench for every game is doing us no good for the future as I feel McAusland, Gaspa, McKay, McLeod, Crawford, Aird & Clark could all have big Futures at our Club thoughts Bears?
Larky Bear
My thoughts are that you should apply for the managers position when Ally vacates the post.
Clearly a better strategy for the way forward at Rangers.
Don't give up your job too soon though Larky, Ally's not going anywhere anytime soon.
Don't know the point of his post as that team will not be playing in the Ramsdens cup semi final. It will be the strongest possible team with only 1 or 2 you mentioned being involved
That's Zaluikas & Pandza bloody auto correct lol
Larky Bear
@2 I think the point you make is the point of the OP. Larky is saying that he's aware this line up will not be played but in his opinion it should. I know we want to win everything we're in but looking at the bigger picture of experience for younger players is the Ramsdens cup really that important to us?
That team would lose. We should try and win the damn thing. It's a cup, not what we necessarily want but I would like to see a cup final and a winning one at that. It's what were used to. Why throw it away without trying.
@5 you don't know that as fact. Personally I think these young boys have every chance of winning it. Besides, what message does it send to them by constantly overlooking them? I'll tell you, it sends the message that they're not good enough and the gaffer doesn't rate them. If they don't win the Ramsdens Cup does it really matter? Long term strategy over short term gain of a cup we won't exactly be crowing about.
@4 yes it is to a manager that's got a shocking record in cup competitions. The point I made was that is never going to happen this season or next. So there is no bigger picture here. Even though we were poor last season we still won the league with quite a few games to spare and even then the manager didn't play many of the youth players so why would he start now?
@5 spot on mate it's a cup that the club has never won and as you say a cup final is a cup final. It never ceases to amaze me that people on here slate this cup. These people have probably never been professional footballers and weren't good enough to play in a competition they ridicule
Baybear
In your honest opinion how many of the current crop of young players do u think will make it? What I mean is be part of a team that wins the top league. Am not sure any will succeed including McLeod and McKay. Don't get me wrong I think they both have promise but it's difficult to judge just now as the opposition is so poor.
Looks good to me larky maybe a bit light defensively but win lose or draw i'd be happy 4 mccoist to play that team even in the final to see which of the youngsters peform under pressure
@8. Yes we are rangers and it is our way. We win. How offensive is it to opponents to put out a second/ third string. We pit out our vest possible 11. I can. understand resting a few injury prone players or tired players if your in a cl campaign perhaps but we are already out of a cup let's give the deserving fans a nice final and something to. look forward to. because if we get there and it comes around trust me no one will care about league games before or after it. It'll all be about final wherever it is held.
Would play Moshni alongside Hegarty or Gasparato, and Law in. midfield.
26 Sep 2013 20:56:22
@7 I can't believe you just said we didn't play in youths or youngsters last season, near half the team was 21 or younger! If I am wrong please correct me but the games I went to last season home and away near half the team were youth players and youngsters infact 3 or 4 of them got 5 year deals out of how they played last season.
@7 Agreed I don't imagine he will start now, hence my call for Larky to get the job.
@8 It's a big jump from questioning winning it to ridicule mate. Wasn't mocking the cup just questioning if it would be a good idea to to give our youngsters some experience of a competative cup run. If we don't then win it it's hardly the end of the world. Correct me if I'm wrong but modern football is a squad game is it not?
@9 Without regular competitive football mate I would say none of them. With regular competitive football I reckon the two you mention and Gasparotto have a chance but I agree, it's difficult to tell at this stage. All I'm saying is if they're never going to get a shout and Ally doesn't have faith in them then what are they doing there? More importantly what the hell was all the money spent on Murray Park for if not to bring through our own youth to one day play 1st team football for Rangers. If he doesn't have faith to play them at this level then I feel that says more about Ally and the coaching staff than it does about the boys themselves.
@11 Nobody trying to be offensive mate. How offensive is it to the youngsters to be constantly told you're p15h, you're not good enough to win this cup, we don't have any faith in you? If these young boys were shown some faith by their manager I think they are more than capable of winning this cup with some older heads to guide them. If these young boys were given a chance it wouldn't take long for them to be buzzing off it and with some old heads to keep them focused they could do really well. How good would it be for us watching our youngsters picking up that cup? I for one would love watching that and it would mean so much more than watching a disgrace like Black getting his hands on another medal.
@14 was my reply, forgot to sign in.
Alex 1972
Half the team in the league games were youths? Are you joking? Can you let me know which games we played 5 or 6 youth players regularly? Can you please also name the youths that played a high number of games in the league
@14 I agree with a lot of your points and one of the worst things about the club is the lack of good youngsters that have come through. Yes there have been some but not as many as there should be. I thought after what's happened we would have turned to our youth players but it seems that we are going down the usual route of ignoring them. Maybe it's the coaching of these young players but something needs done. Youth players are the only way forward for the club
What does it matter - do you seriously believe that the majority of the squad today will be playing for RFC in the SPL. the squad will be renewed year on year as normal. there is NO fantastic youth squad that will grow together. just a bunch of players that have to do a job now.
N16 I agree mate I think the average game players ages worked out about 28year old no doubt the ed or somebody could put us right on that one tmwnn
@18 agreed, and there lies the problem. Living out with our means again. Have we learned nothing? It's not that the youth route isn't possible it's just that we have nobody demanding it and nobody able to facilitate it. Your point simply highlights everything I've said to be correct. In fact why are we even bothered about who owns Murray Park, it's not as if we use it properly anyway. Who gives a f@ck about bringing through youth eh? Waste of time that b0llocks! Never win anything with kids anyway. What the f@ck do Ajax, Man Utd, Arsenal even Basel know about football. We're the mighty Glasgow Rangers and we're used to winning etc etc. Saddens me at how narrow minded our support and club can be at times, especially after all we've been through. Our attitude is stinking and we deserve fu#k all!
Steady Bay Bear- take your tablets and calm down. Completely agree with the importance of youth though and how disappointing the through put from Murray Park has been. Let's be clear it ain't the facility its down to either cr#p scouts or scared or poor managers. Walter Smith needed to win the League particularly in his second stint as we depended on the Champions League Money to keep us nearly afloat. But in his first stint youth never got a look in. Ally in addition to other handicaps is thick. About twice in his management career he has found the correct words in the correct order without too much repetition and "luckily" for him his "we don't do walking away" has given him the blind loyalty you see on here in some fans but particularly inside Ibrox on match days. We needed a young talented coach who could work with the young players who good scouts had combed the land for and produce quality exciting attacking football and have the ability and courage to make early changes if the game was not working out. We needed that but we got Ally and I like you am a real Rangers supporter who goes to games home and away and has done for over 50 years and will not be silenced by the clowns who will not entertain criticism of their beloved leader. Now where are these tablets?
27 Sep 2013 02:59:17
@BBit would most certainly matter to the 50,000 who turn up at the final at hampden, godwilling, get a grip man
@22 think Hampden is under renovations then and can't be used. Celtic park won't be used and neither will Ibrox if we get there. Can only think of Tynecastle as it probably has the next biggest capacity
Murrayfield has a bigger capacity than tynecastle.
Gaz.
@21 *and breath
Ha ha, aye your right, think I need another of my wee sabbaticals from the forum. I just get so frustrated with the blinkered attitude sometimes. Doesn't bode well for the future. I agree it's nothing to do with the facility and everything to do with the staff but until we get progressive coaches with a vision in then Murray Park remains a gleaming white elephant on the horizon.
@22 Agreed I need to get a grip at times, not sure of the point you make about it mattering to 50,000 at Hampden though? All I'm saying is (A) We have to get there first and (B) I have every respect for the value of winning a cup (C) I'd much rather do it with young, home grown players (D) I hate Ian Black and everything I feel he represents (E) Ally is mugging us all off.
Aww well a got us all talking about the team. We've all been screaming out for the young guys to play for aslong as I can remember if they played and lost would you shoot them down? I wouldn't aslong as they tried there best. This was our chance to have a young team on the model PSV have at the moment mostly homegrown talent with a few experienced pros average team age about 23 24. I reckon a team close to the one I put out would have won the 3rd division last year on half the budget with the right management obviously but that's another thing few questions for the doubters.
1. Should Simonsen pick up a wage for a year without playing a game?
2. Does Foster merit a place over McAusland?
3. Is Gasparotto not ready to be Bled into the team?
4. Should McKay & Aird sit on the bench every week to Peralta & Temps?
5. Is McLeod not good enough to start teaching him how to Control a game from the middle? he's the only CM that's not let us down one way or another this season.
6. Is Clark not good enough for the 3rd their or Ramsdens cup he won them both last season?
I know we want to win the Ramsdens atleast if we play the lads & lose it's not embarrassing it let's you see who's going to have the Grit to step up when called upon & give 100%. If they don't give 100% then you would have to question there commitment to the club then you can go about trimming the fat. Ally said there would be competition for places I'm not seeing any rotation. Did Law & Daly play well enough last week to be the 1st names on the team sheet tomorrow? Don't thinkso, don't get me wrong Dodds Andrews & Campbell were tough customers for us against Forfar & they played well. My post was hypothetical & it seems to have brought the site to life a bit I'm happy about that. Enjoy the long weekend good bears. Remember it's a banter site this thread shows thes divisive problems our fan base has I don't expect everyone or even anyone to agree with me it's just an opinion but the way we talk to each other when we don't agree is shocking.
Larky Bear
@20 Baybear Great post mate.
Larky Bear
@24 very true but think the football authorities are reluctant to use Murrayfield as they want to keep all the cash within the game rather than give cash to the SRFU.
Larky Bear have to agree with a lot of your points in post 26 and agree about the situation at right back. I would actually take the goalkeeping situation further and ask why did we sign Bell and not play Gallagher who looked a really good goalkeeper. Think McKay should start more games but I would rather see him on one flank and Templeton on the other. Gasperato should also be given a run in the team alongside Mohsni with McCulloch up front. McLeod again needs to go to the next level and start dominating games.
@29 don't get me wrong I think Temps should play most games aswell but I feel sorry for Aird the lads bulked up this season. He's still lightweight yes but hel only get better with experience. He scored a goal in our pre season up north that showed sublime skill to beat his man, Strength & a great technique to finish it he's also scored a couple of important late goals this season and last it just seems he's forgotten about now doesn't even seem to get off the bench. I think him & McKay have just as much potential as Chris Burke & Gregg Wylde at that age theyl never fulfill that without game time & where better for them to get it than in the Ramsdens cup, league 1 or send them out on loan. I actually have faith in these young guys & I really hope when we get to
SPFL that they are in our team rather than overpaid foreigners & mercenaries who fail to deliver in the one thing there bought for European Football.
Larky Bear
Ok ally is a legend but let's not forget that this is the same guy smith would fling on injured at the dying seconds of cl or a ec tie so his little blue eyed boy would get his bonus with mccoist laughing rubbing his hands, so I don't want to hear its not about the money for ally course it's all about the money and he will hold on to his position as long as there's a payday for him if he and smith was so called rangers to the bone men why have they through this s*** ever told us the truth or any thing that would benefit the fans and not them it hasn't happened and it won't because ther pockets come before rangers its as simple as that
N31 don't agree with your post walter walked telling us the board are doing all wrong he is rangers through and threw his trophy haul fill the cabinets at ibrox ide rather have ws manage the team than any other manager
28 Sep 2013 01:15:42
@Bay bear sorry m8, wot the fxxk u talking about. " Not sure the point your making about it mattering to the 50,000 who turn up at the final "?
is that double dutch i'm talking? ffs BB how would it conceivably not matter to them? I can only think you had one too many when u posted that reply m8
tb
N32 sorry to bust your bubble on all things smith is good but this man has twice jumped ship the minute the s""t has hit the fan, let's not forget what he done for rangers on the trophy front, but at the same time don't forget that he was a a big player if not the biggest in telling us to go with green he was in the know behind the scenes and he has never told us anything that would of gave us fire pwer to help rangers in any way, so don't let your respect for smith come between the bigger picture and that is what was and is now good for rangers
@33 nope, sober mate, think somethings been lost in translation?
I agree that 50k at Hampden will be happy at winning the Ramsdens cup.
I personally couldn't care less about winning that cup with a team of full time 3-6k per week players. Especially as I believe these wages/contracts are going to contribute to our downfall again. Sorry mate, I just can't get myself excited about that prospect as I don't see it as any sort of an achievement. Now if we got to the final and won it with a team largely made up of young boys brought through from Murray Park, well, that would be a different story mate. Now that would be an achievement and something to be proud of.
Just an opinion mate, I'm genuinely not going out my way to be an awkward c**t, It just won't feel like something to crow about unless it is an actual achievement. I wouldn't expect everyone to think the same as me, although I wouldn't expect Usain Bolt to get a boner because he beat Johnny Vegas over 100m either.