Rangers Banter Archive December 26 2013

 

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26 Dec 2013 21:37:44
this fomation that ally seems to favour with 4 at back def mid and 3 midfielders two attackers does not suit the players he has in the team if he can not see this then he needs to have a long hard look at himself lewis as left mid a no go well better in the centre peralta is
defensive midfielder right mid no go team is set up all wrong I have seen a lot of games this season and the fomation is half our problem it should be a straight 442 without defensive mid templeton lift mid aird or mackay right so wee can supply our attackers then they will score without a doubt with law and macloed in centre mid just to defensive in my opinion that's why wee strugle in some games if the defence players can not defend without a defensive mid then they should not be in the team

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26 Dec 2013 20:40:26
Can anyone please tell me what Peralta brings to the team playing wide? It seems everytime he plays there he is subbed but the manager obviously can't see it! Total shambles today team didn't look interested and no one wanted the ball. The players and the manager cheated the fans today and if Ally is going to ask fans to keep going then at least put out a team that's interested

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And maybe try playing them in their proper positions go on ally I dare you to try it lol

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26 Dec 2013 19:42:24
going on from a post from the alloa supporter. he has made a very good point. why doesn't every club fans not starve there team to clear there debt and pick up the club for a small price, after all in the rfc supprters eyes the history remains in tact. charles made a big deal about buying the history but can any1 tell me how much it cost and did it get put through the accounts that they spent x amount of pounds on there history. who recieved the money for the history? (creditors of old rangers?)as the present board say there running at to high a cost, what players would you get 1million plus for and would you sell them. last question now, why was there a protest to no to liquidation if it didn't have any affect.

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{Ed039's Note - yes Pedro, the old creditors pot is where the money went, if you read the purchase terms it stated assets and "goodwill" were transferred, read up on it, but you and the Alloa fan make some good points but I think we have been through enough and taken enough stick for that sh*t again, we all want fairness, transparency etc, but looks like we aint gonna get it)

Op Is that what you lot did in 95 when the company started by wee fergus picked up your mob on the cheap?

JG

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Ed we could always approach the co-op bank for a cheap loan, then again that would be classed as an unfair advantage to teams that get loans and have to pay the standard rate. May even been seen as an unsporting advantage and we could be investigated by the FSA.

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Seem to recal fergus paid all debts, so hardly cheap. let's focus or real issues JG. with oor club, now false issues with thiers?

green left sheffied utd is right mess, and rfc is bigger mess, do you argee with sir w smith that it will take 10-20 yers to sort oot.

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Anotherger, you may be right but timmy seems to conveniently forget that part of their history

Anyway our problems and the extent of them

I have said often on here that we will know the true extend of our financial troubles when the end of December interims are issued, I don't even try to second guess where we are right now

as for your question, I would say we are looking at a 5-7 year period to sort it oot and we are in the second year of that

Why do I say that:

The fans kept the club afloat last financial year between the ST's, the share issue and great support at every home game, even after a 14m loss we still had 11m in the bank with no debt

I don't doubt that many dubious payments were made and extortionate wages were given to the then board members but It should also be recognised that there were many genuine one off costs for a start up company, edmiston house, car park, big screens, football debts, etc, it could be argued that it was not the right time to buy some of those assets, but they were bought and now the will show on the balance sheet as assets

Looking at last years accounts, we generated a 19m revenue and the players wages were 7.8m, Any half decent board should (note I said should) be able to run a club the size of rangers with those margins and this would be backed up by the new boards confidence that admin is not on the cards,

I am of the opinion that this new board (stockbridge excluded) should have their 120 day period to examine the workings of the club, implement required changes and bring in additional revenue

on the playing side, we have a squad that is capable of taking us back to the spl, I could see one or two leaving and being replaced by free signings in the summer (there is about 120 current spl players out of contract) but there will be no one signed on a transfer fee until we are back in the top league

the under 20's have some promising young guys and I don't agree we have to be playing a team of youngsters right now, look at yesterdays draw, a few reactions to results like that would blow young players confidence to pieces, I would expect to see more youth in the team after the league is settled though, also lot of shouting about the lack of young talent but a couple of good prospects that we had, did walk away in our greatest time of need

Lots of doom still around the place, I don't share it all and I for one am thankful everytime the Rangers take to the park right now, the alternative we could have had is unthinkable

thats my thoughts on the subject, for what they are worth A N Ger and I look forward to yours

JG

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JG hearts, dunfermline and dundee utd all showing that youth could have a future, as they had no money for anything else.

Sadly we went for spend spend spend, edmiston (with its asbestos and issues for development) is a turkey like the rest of the assets you claim, ibrox needed £8m repairs last year (see ipo) and yet has seen little of that. and slowly rusts to bits, its in dreadful state, if you over long enouff hope you get to a home game. to see for yor self.

last year £19m revenue, but £14-28m looses depending who you believe, with a debt between club and company of £16m in year one, so much for greens debt-free ( or was that bank-debt free). ?

new board is same as old board - run by same faceless investors, our new CEO would not recognise our last CEO's yet thier faces ingrained in every bears minds. ?

you have blue-tinted glasses and don't see the (s)truth.

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@1&2 not really sure about your comments regarding Fergus and COOP loan. McCann bought that club, paid off all debts and left them with a large capacity stadium and a successful financial infrastructure (not to mention selling shares to the fans). The Loan from COOP (regardless of low interest rates and payments) is legitimate and repayments are up to date. They never had to reapply for membership to the association. Totally different situations from what Murray, Shy*te and Green have done at Rangers. Put the club into admin/liquidation, had to apply for membership, dragged the clubs reputation through the courts and mud, left debtors who supplied services in good faith on the strength of the clubs standing and generally gave anyone
who wanted a pop at the club plenty of ammunition to do so.
I believe the supporters should be concerned about what is happening at Rangers and not looking to find issues with other clubs (unless of course they are illegal etc. )

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N6 the main reason the rangers support have pops at other clubs is because other clubs are having pops at us for craig shytes dishonesty maybe if other clubs support had a look at their own problems and left us to our own we would have no need to have a pop at them

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@ 6 Weeman agree totally with your post. @5 I also agree with your post. @ JG its a decent blend of youngsters and experienced pros that we expected although had our training facility been used for it's original purpose then the experienced part of the team would also have originally come through our own facility. All we have is experienced professional players who sometimes do not appear to be motivated with a token youngster (McLeod). Murray's debt laiden strategy meant Walter simply had to get us into the champions league as we didn't generate enough income otherwise and the lack of trust of the youngsters or lack of development of the youngsters meant getting the cheque book out again and again.
Next season could actually be quite decent if Hearts, Dunfermline and the Gers are all in Division 1. @7 I understand what you are saying but think we should just focus on our team and ignore the vindictive smaller teams but each to his own

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26 Dec 2013 17:50:27
I've said all along McCoist will never be a manager, with my main argument being his tactical naivety and awful cup performances. But how many points have we dropped at Ibrox in the lower leagues? Far too many is the answer.

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26 Dec 2013 21:38:09
well this year we have dropped 2 points so really isn't to much I was surprised we have done so well this year and have you really been waiting since the cup game to post this cause up until now we have run away with the leauge and judt cause we had one bad result doesn't shadow the massive turn around since last season

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@ Manderson1872

No, I've not been waiting for anything. I've been vocal in my views against McCoist right from the start. You know, back when he blew a 15 point lead in the SPL between October & December. Or all the terrible cup defeats. Also the fact that his style of play, signings and handling of the on field stuff has been nothing short of abysmal.

If you think it's acceptable, batter in. But I remember Rangers as we used to be, my standards are clearly just higher than yours.

Not to mention McCoist is a money grabbing spiv who has lied to us on numerous occassions. He's a muppet as well as a puppet.

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27 Dec 2013 19:50:37
i do agree with you on most of what you are saying the point I was making was yes we are still rangers and every fan expects high standard from the team but this team is a shadow of the one we had and don't think we can compare ally on last season as we are building a team for the future and I don't think ally is the man for the job think we could get a lot better for cheaper but he is what we have atm
so have to live with that until we can bring in a manager that the team need but so far this season we have played really well romping this division by sum margen with the exception of the cup and the game on boxing day

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26 Dec 2013 17:06:17
Ok!. all you Ally protectors out there!

What say you after today's shambles?

It's not just the board that needs changing. insanity " doing something again and again even though you know it doesn't work" insanity.

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As it's been says before everyone is waiting til the gers are back in premiership before we start judging

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Jeezo have you been waitin 20 matches to make this post?? Awfy quiet when we were winnin eh!

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So, your going to wait until it's too late?

When the painter and the postman and the joiner and the Fireman go back to work on Monday. having mugged the highest paid manager in Scotland in front of the biggest crowd in the country with the full time players on the second highest wage bill in Scotland ( unsustainable, let me remind you). the Stranraer boys will be laughing.

Meanwhile, YOU @1, want to wait until we play full time opposition like Celtic, Aberdeen & Dundee Utd before we Judge!

Deluded loyalty to a manager and back room staff who are INEPT!

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@2, no mate, was never quiet when winning. Said all along that Ally situation is John Greig all over again. Legend, but not a manager. Never will be.

Ask yourself this question honestly, if McCoist left Rangers tomorrow, would he get another job in management?

We both know the answer to that one. with the wage bill and facilities to hand, that squad shouldn't need a manager to win the lower divisions.

If Rangers wait for McCoist to lose 6 out of first 10 games in SPL before judging him, it will be too late.

Identify the next management team, allow him to build for SPL. and get him in NOW!

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Ayr bear are looking for a sacking on basis of a 1-1 result?

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Oh soz Ayr bear the teddy bears are laughing also as the league is over

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Ayr bear bet your overjoyed you can now post your crap yes we had a bad day at office I sat there frozen watching it but one draw get a grip Ally is doing just fineu look at they players not one of them played well today do you want rid of all them as well

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Great result for all the ally
haters BAH! HUMBUG!
r. f

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OP whilst I agree totally with you about our manager it is not all his fault. If it wasn't for David Murray's mismanagement leaving us completely holed below the water line He would never have been the manager.
He has however a huge task to get these players up for Tuesday's visit to Dunfermline who are themselves on a great run. Stranraer deserved their point for edging the second half and we lacked any inspiration from on and off the field.
If we lose at East end park which is a real possibility given their form and attitude and application (witnessed at Ibrox in the first game) and our concerns about cost cutting we might end up being grateful at our 11 point lead.
If we lose some of the big players in January for cost cutting Ally will be tested for the first time since Inverness then United humiliated us in league and Scottish Cup games last season.
It will be interesting to see how he copes with a strong CEO tasked with getting spending in check.
But to all Ally supporters I would ask this are you happy that one 18 year old talented youngster is probably worth more than our entire first team squad and probably earns a lot less than our entire first team squad?
Our future is home grown exceptional talent so we require scouts to find these gems and coaches who believe in them and give them the chance.
If you cannot see than "you should have gone to specsavers"

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Chaps, answer the question. would Ally get another job in management tomorrow?. ah, silence from keyboard warriors?

BTW, not looking for a sacking based on 1-1 draw. it's based on them being inept.

. Keep your head in the sand. keep doing the same things and expect different outcomes. insanity.

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{Ed039's Note - couldn't agree more)

Thanks Ed. Not looking to offend Ally, but sometimes difficult decisions have to be made. If we don't change - it won't change.

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I'm not an Ally hater and IMO he is not the right manager for the job but c'mon. Just because the 100%record is gone is irrelevant. Miles ahead in the league and still in with a chance to at least measure the team against some of the "big guns" in the cup. To me, next season will be the real test as the club drives towards the to league. Ally may be a spiv, crook, money grabber and all the other things said by the various posts but bottom line at the moment is. He is in the job, he is delivering the league title as he did last season so enjoy that part of the ride.

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27 Dec 2013 11:47:05
I have posted on Ally before, and I will re-iterate what I have said. He is not a football manager! we all know his deficiencies, he is a cheque-book manager, no tactical know-how, he is lazy in his job (when do you ever see him watching our next opponents/running the eye over a player himself). I could go on but what is the point! He is obviously untouchable. I think I'll do a Walter Smith chuck my job but tell my employers to give my old job to my best mate, Sorted! The writing was on the wall with Ally as far back as 2008 when he was in charge of cup-ties and the above mentioned Mr Smith had to come down from the directors box and take over because we were struggling against the likes of Partick Thistle & St johnstone et al.

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@13 well done mate you have nailed it 100%. Lazy- no scouts bleat bleat- then why don't you Durrant and McDowell get of your sofa and go and look at possible talent. When we were all at work concerned about the LNS verdict Ally was on the golf course. Rangers to the core eh- no Ally to the core. Now see that Ally your making reasonable men dislike you. Stop being selfish put in a decent bl##dy shift and manage the team. And when your team are mince hold up your hands and take responsibility.

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@13. Totally agree, I remember Amaruso scoring an extra time penalty against Ross County, in third divisional the time, to get through in League Cup and thought at the time, as I do now, that Ally will Never be a Manager. Legend as a player but Never a Manager.

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Ayr bear. What same things does ally do to lead to it being insanity. One draw and fifteen wins in the league. So really can't see your point. You don't like ally you see him as one of them lot. Did you really believe we would go the whole season without dropping any points stop being so silly. Celtic got beat of Morton in the cup and there bottom of the championship should Lennon also have been hounded out the door. Because by your reckoning surely he is also inept. As for worrying about leaving it till we get back to the top league to finally figure it out I wouldn't worry about that to much. We need to worry about the real possibility of going into admin again having to flog all our best players. The spivs taking the last few dregs of cash they can squeeze out of us then running for the hills. Then we need to worry about the real possibility that if that happens we might not make it out of this league. And even worse the fact that this time our club could go to the wall for good. But on you go mate you worry about the manager because he has dropped 2 points from 48. Yes good to see you have your priorities right.

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Pat, I take on everything you say. I am purely commenting on the football side of things. Let me put it this way, you wouldn't wait until you crashed your car before replacing your worn tyres, would you?

In the same way there are many posters on this site who are thankful that Ally is a Rangers legend, but don't see a Manager in him. It's no shame on him, but it is an all too familiar story.

With the highest back room and management expenditure in Scotland, Rangers fans have the right to expect proper coaching, scouting and youth promotion. Rangers seem to have little in these areas.

Take the personality out of this, it's not that it's McCoist, or Durrant or the salaries, it's the fact that if I was a business owner and I saw a lack of succession planning, or business plan to take me to the next level, I would change my management team to rectify this. Ally seems to prefer the "sticking plaster" approach to management, buy someone to cover the cracks. Rangers have no foundation despite having Auchenhowie for years.

Rangers don't need an ex player who is emotional and obviously attached to the club. Rangers need a football manager who is shrewd, ruthless and will stand up to both staff and the board. It's sad, but Ally is being retained by the board because they know the fans follow him. Have you not been a bit embarrassed by his backing of every new SPIV that shows up?

We need a football manager, someone who can spot talent, someone who can coach, someone who can compete in SPL.

Every fan on this site has a right to an opinion, and there are many more than me who believe Ally is in the wrong seat on the wrong bus. Still a rangers legend though.

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26 Dec 2013 17:04:23
Oh, a season winning every game? well nearly got to new year! Not a bad effort considering the tiny budget spent. Well done Ally. 10 point deduction and it could all end in tears!

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If your on here to slag us at least get your facts right, the points deduction is a 3rd of last season's points, 27 points.

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Really? Not everyone wins every game but to lost the league haha

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Well Sweep1, you know your stuff regarding point deductions, don't tell me you are worried about something! 27 points? I mean, Administration is surely out of the question? Simply too big to fail.

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@9 agree with most of your post however do u think we would get much for McLeod? Let's be honest what has he done? It's not as if he is turning it on in the top league like Ryan Gauld and I doubt any team will come in for him with decent money. Also Wallace is worth more than him and is the only player that might get us £1m

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