Rangers Banter Archive August 26 2013

26 Aug 2013 23:49:52
CAN RANGERS JUSTIFY THE COSTS!

As most of the true fans know rangers have been slowly but surely pursuing a very sneaky and underhand campaign on making several long serving and loyal staff redundant!

The club have stated for the record the reasons for this "cost cutting" is the club no longer play in the Scottish premier league, has no European money coming etc, etc.

During this botched process by the clubs HR department (with the full knowledge and endorsement of Mather and Stockbridge personally) several staff where removed under the premise of the "cost cutting" agenda.

Now I know the costs need to be cut and yes the staffing levels are to high for where we are at the moment, but let's look at justification!

How can you try and justify redundancies when the club went on a wild spending spree at the same time as this process was underway? Hypocrisy at best downright shameful behaviour by the HR department ( who have been nothing short of disgraceful in there treatment to affected staff) Stockbridge personally oversaw the whole process with Mather right beside him endorsing everything that happened, my understanding is another 2 good faithful employees have been given the chop very recently!

As I said cuts need to be made and staffing levels are high in some departments, but the numbers just don't add up.

The senior staff at rangers need to be removed and the "insider traders" (they know who they are) will almost certainly be exposed very shortly

Start at the top and rid the club of the dross that remains.

We could start a list of who needs to go and why!

James traynor! Your salary alone would have saved everybody who has been made redundant!

The bonuses paid out to ALL senior management and first team members would have saved further damage to future employees affected and probably helped the bank balance by a considerable amount!

THEY have no SHAME!

Then we blow £200K on media house!

Still waiting for ANSWERS

Show the ACCOUNTS!

Show the DEEDS to all the properties the club is supposed to own!

Show us the MONEY! (Where has all the IPO cash gone!)

We will keep asking and keep demanding answers!

We WIIL NOT SURRENDER OUR CLUB to you shysters

RR

Excellent points RealRanger

There is only ONE course of action. Its time to do it for the sake of the club. We need to starve them of money, then the cretins will leave. Everything else has been tried. As long as the fans feed their greed and give them money into holding companies and backdoor business, they will hang around and feed off the fans. Time to cut off the supply. Enuff is Enuff.

27 Aug 2013 08:40:16
OP I appreciate your sentiments, but I'll answer two of your points. 1) How can redundancies be justified when there's just been a wild spending spree? Simple. Most fans prefer to. stick heads in sand and kid themselves on that rangers are still great, that its all just a blip before normal service is resumed (i've yet to see a single post ever accepting that SDM style dominance of the game in scotland is gone for ever, rather than just temporarily on hold. ) This means that most are actually happy to see mccoist maintain a large squad, and the issue of backroom staff rendancies is frankly irrelevant in comparison to "showing the world that WATP". In short, deluded greed so deeply ingrained that folk just cant, or rather wont, face up to reality. So, while I appreciate you and a few others are trying to bang the drum of reality, don't expect too many others to listen. 2) The club has already been surrendered to shysters. More accurately, this club was set up by shysters when the true RFC went bust. Its so much more simple when you accept that basic fact.

Sorry Therealranger but you and the fans are sitting back and letting this happen. You continue to buy ST and merchandise and fill the stadium on match days. They are taking you all for a ride. If you want changes for the better you will have to organise peaceful demonstrations to let these SHYSTERS (your words) know that the supporters have had enough and demand change. JK

Rumour is that as we now have club and company seperate, club owes company £15m loan - and therefore assets can be switched from one to other at moments notice.

Fans own shares in plc which is subsiduary of company.

27 Aug 2013 11:42:53
Good post mainly but should have been said a year ago instead we surrendered to the spivs big style and they've taken most of what there is to take all ready. Too little from the fans way too late. #SadButTrue

Exactly right amigo. geoerge going Ibrox at 6pm as have meeting with fans that trust me and I trust them to arrange flyers hand out
george

@4. Club & Company are The 1 entity, as you can't have a club without someone too run it. sm

26 Aug 2013 23:15:55
I hear there will not be a big crowd Tuesday night? Not really surprising considering the apathy surrounding our club.

I hope we get more than 10 at the front so we can at least meet and discuss where we go from here.

"George" keep the faith and get the points across, I am sure the other troops will have there points and opinions let's knock our heads together and come up with a plan!

Don't think "media house" will be present but be aware of there skulduggery as they will do anything to assist the "great stadium robbers"

I notice they have still not come out and declared how much they have spent on outside contractors and consultants since February?

Stockbridge will be very busy using his rubber to rub out the last figures on the IPO "snapshot" after all he has to justify why he, Mather and the rest of the board allowed £22M to disappear from sight! Makes me wonder apart from the two usual suspects why is this being allowed to happen? VAST sums unaccounted for paper trail longer than the west highland way!

As Cuba gooding said "show me the money"

Stockbridge the gallows await! Oh and if you don't mind take your pals Morgan and Angus with you.

See you Tuesday fellow bears!

RR

26 Aug 2013 19:03:30
The spfl plan for hearts was always not demote hearts to the spfl 2 but to deduct them fifteen points so as to relegate them thus putting them on course for a head to head against rangers in the championship next season But it looks as if there plan is doomed to failure

Just read in the paper caley Partick and st Johnstone donating money back to hearts to help them to keep going absolute joke Scottish football is everybody but the spl knew that hearts wer going into admin before the season ended

What a load on nonsense. Rangers were not demoted for a start. If Hearts liquidate they will go through the same process as Rangers.

Mate, the spfl don't have the intelligence to create such a masterplan. They are muppets.

HMRC don't do CVA's, was that not the quote from them, do hearts not owe them money and are the lithuanians likely to accept pence in the pound for the debt secured on their ground? The inevitable will happen and the league thrown into chaos.
But to be honest who cares enough going on at our own club to worry about.

Unlike Rangers HMRC are not Hearts main creditor therefore they will have to take whatever is agreed in a CVA between the Perferred Bidder for the club and Ubig/Ukio's Admininistrator/s.

27 Aug 2013 14:31:49
What a riduculous and paranoid post. The points deduction is set in stone in the rulebooks for teams entering administration. Anyway what would be the big point of possibly having two Rangers v Hearts games a season earlier than expected when at the time it looked entirely possible that Hearts would go into LIQUIDATION anyway and end up in the lowest tier of football in Scotland?

26 Aug 2013 14:34:44
Enjoyed watching the team perform on Friday night. Could have been many more, but delighted at what we got. I must admit I am looking forward to more of the same this season, although I really think that behind the scenes we are in very bad shape again. Not as bad as previously as I think that to be pretty close to impossible. However, there are far too many horror stories / rumours floating around. No one knows who owns what etc and there are too many charlatans and poisonous snakes so deeply involved within the club that it would take some time to "cleanse" and move to new and positive investment. My fear is that we don't have much time as we aren't making much additional revenue and even if you just consider player wages and director salaries and bonuses, we are leaking cash left right and centre. There's another £200k just off to Media House. How long have we got with the unknown cash we have. No idea of the answer - I hope Jim McColl knows what he is doing and can deliver a restructure within a very quick timeframe. There is so much work to do to get the club back in the right hands (but who's hands?). The only plus side to admin is that we'd get rid of this current stock of parasites without the same debt and problems (depending on what the mystery accounts tell us) and a points deduction would probably still see us win the league assuming we can keep our players. Here is hoping for some swift and positive resolution.

Regrettably endorse this thoughtful post. After the hell we have been through, one hoped that an open book AGM and the fan groups' encouraging new solidarity might at last augur boardroom stability. But the re-appointment of the hapless Media House, and the very presence of these absurd brothers from Taggart casting, are simply beyond parody. Thankfully, shareholders and the big institutions should be able to distinguish the rogues, charlatans and opportunists preying on our club and despatch them bag and baggage. The current irony is that on the park, we are really beginning to shape up for the challenges ahead, and the bright new acquisitions should see competition for l every position. But this promise will be sabotaged if we fail to finally bring peace, vision and good governance - and hopefully serious money - into a clean and transparent boardroom.

Senior London Bear

Ed can I ask you are we honestly close to another admin {Ed001's Note - no one knows for sure.}

@2 probably not imminent but can't see us getting through the season unless something happens

Last years accounts for the IPO showed

income £9m (st)
outgoings £17m
loss (£8m)

so in just 7 months they hemoraging £2m/month.

Then £17m appeared in books on goodwill (revaluation of assets - with brand bought for 0 valued at £16m) and so they claimed £9m profit

ta da! and rest is history, IPO money flowed in. and out. ST money in. and out.

If all was well would be profit warning to AIM. there is not, just can't afford £80k to host EGM.

It looks unavoidable if the figures a accurate. It's the same old story, audited accounts. They won't tell the whole picture but will help.

Everyone seems to think a 2nd admin will be a good thing because it will get rid of the present lot running Ibrox but you thought that when this happened with craig whyte. Plus you need to get creditors to agree to 9p in the £ or whatever remember if players ain't getting paid they can walk away. who is to say who will be allowed to get control of ibrox by the administrators remember this lot will be allowed to pick their administrator again D&P again no doubt. how many more shady charectars are up craigy and charles sleeve and who will be given prefered bidder status.

I know via the media that one of the two Easdale brothers was charged with VAT evasion many years ago. If you know anything about VAT fraud then they never let go. I would imagine this guy would be now cleaner than clean. I am really interested to find out what else he has allegedly done.

Admin is the last thing the club needs and should be avoided

@6 what are you talking about who do we owe money to please explain

Admin / CVA / Liquidation

All of them would make potential new owners at Ibrox life easier

My thoughts (as an owner of a small business struggling to get through tough times and keep my workforce employed) are with the creditors about to be stuffed again.

Please bears don't think that this is an honourable solution

People like me supply services to Rangers - they then go daft signing players that they can't afford, and ask me to take £500 for a £20,000 invoice,

A new company - looking a lot like the old one - then starts back up as if nothing has happened

Its nothing short of criminal!

@10 Its hard to say but I would have asked for money upfront.

26 Aug 2013 02:05:17
Over at Ibrox, director SMART, please take the rest of the circus with you when you leave, especially the 2 biggest clowns there, Stockbridge and Mather, and don't forget about Glasgow's answer to the Kray Twins, the pathetic Easdales,

Can I put forward a point of view I have personally about the Easdales. I have done a major amount of research on everything to do with the whole debacle at Rangers over the last year and my SCRIBD post is what I have discovered has happened to us (Long Firm and now Asset Strip Professionally) BUT in all that time all I have picked up on the Easdale brothers is one crime 14 years ago and that they are a 'force to be reckoned with' in the area of Scotland they hail from. Reg and Ron Kray were evil criminals from the outset as youths till their demise SHOOTING PEOPLE DEAD IN PUBLIC. Whilst I am sure the Easdales have a past (hardly fair to compare!) I BELIEVE PASSIONATELY, as I was in legal profession, that if you serve your time, that is it, you should be given a 2nd chance. If we were to judge every businessman based on their past crimes there would be a serious amount of Company Directors and Footballers and Celebrities that would never work again. Bobby Moore THIEF. Gazza ASSAULT of a female. EVERY EBT taking sports person including MANY Rangers men. Mike Tyson RAPE (in my opinion wrongly convicted). Paul McCartney DRUGS :-). 50 Cent. Robert Downey. Mark Wahlberg ATTEMPT MUDER ffs (didnt know that till I researched). last but by no means least Nelson Mandela!. ALL or most for way more serious crimes BUT with a second chance look what these people have went on to do. I do not know the Easdales but think should be given a chance JEEZ SDM and CW have no previous and look what they have done to Rangers in their 2 different ways.
My information is they will switch sides to the good team that Mr McColl is spokesperson for and the fact they are DYED IN WOOL Rangers fans UNLIKE SDM CW ALL THE CURRENT BOARD plus CHARLES GREEN PLUS HIS PAL AHMAD. So I know how I feel about Rangers and if they feel even 10% of that they would not intentionally screw us over. maybe I am being naive but that's the way I have led my life

Looking forward to printing off 3000 'flyers' to hand out and hoping we all unite by Tuesday.

Meetings with 2 'fans' groups Monday and my source on the 'takeover', plus the lawyer I have asked to prepare Fans Group 'Co-op' and possibly representation on the new board, I will post all news and suggested options to increase pressure on the current board PEACEFULLY

Funny I took a break at Edinburgh with my fiance and my daughter saw the Ladyboys' of Bangkok and realised for the first time I had seen more useless P***KS than on the Rangers Board ;-)

RFFR. RTID. george

The whole boardroom is a joke the infighting is doing more harm why is Mather hiring a pr company to scare off Mcolls group have they got something to hide the statement from Irvine was nothing more than a threat get them out

Yes no more ROGUES IN BROGUES

Hope you have more of a turnout tomorrow than previously. I was surprised at just 10, but there are a lot of martyrs on here acting up like some tide turning figure head from bygone days of yore. Glad you are actually trying to do something about it.

I, m glad your glad for us too
is that no nice

Why did you write YOU and not WE?