Rangers Banter Archive April 26 2013

 

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26 Apr 2013 16:36:59
I'm fed up waiting about for somebody else to do something about this. Anybody else up for a wee peaceful demo? Anybody know what you have to tell the police in advance to get this sort of thing organised?

Surely there's somebody else willing to make a bit of noise.

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Totally agree with you something needs to be done before the renewals come out and the best time to do it would before the last home game. We need to get rid of Ally and Walter the two so called rangers men who are crippling the club by standing by every charlartan that walks through the door. If the rumours are true then as far as i'm concerned these two are no longer worthy of being considered legends at our club. As for those clowns in the rst who back Ally and Walter after all they have taken from the club they need to have a long hard look at themselves they say they speak for the supporters but I for one don't agree with a single word these narrow minded jumped up persons say. Ally said he was a fan first and foremost if he cared that much he wouldn't be getting the scandelous wages for being the worst rangers manager ever. Its not like him to lay low for as long as this but no wonder after he and Walter left Bomber hung out to dry. What kind of so called rangers men don't believe one of there own over a con man they didn't even know its time for these money grabbing reptiles to do what's best for rangers and walk away the less hangers on the better.

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I for one will not be back until McCoist is gone. He's taking £19,000 a week to manage a Third Division Team. Granted he won the league but I bet me and two pals could do just as well. He's endorsed every shyster that has come through the front door and achieved a share issue at bargain rates. The football on show is unpalatable and no sign of any forward planning. We need honesty, stability and a vision of the future. Why not look at Borussia Dortmund and see how they have succeeded over the past few years. A coach with vision is what is needed. Terry Butcher, Stuart McCall, Owen Coyle. This plus honesty from the board would encourage many of us to buy into the future. Why not just come out and say we have x amount in the bank, we own Ibrox and Auchenhowie and here is the proof. Not hard unless you have something to hide. Hold on to your money until honesty prevails.

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Put out the call. Arranging a peaceful demo is easy. Contact the police. ASk MP for advice. Above all, I would suggest that you reach out to other clubs - incuding celtic - to make this fans against spivs. Make it FOR something (financial probity in football and fans representation) rather than against something (i. e. Rangers victimisation). Win friends & influence and steal the oxygen of those who would do you harm. Good luck with it my friend. Its a proven formula. Sometimes it works. And that's better than the alternative.

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Smith knew what was going to happen that's why he "retired" and also why he is back on the gravy train, he said at the time that he warned McCoist what he was taking on, so McCoist also knew and yet 2 years of lies, deceit, abysmal football and 20k a week later he is still at the club saying he is taking us forward! He has humiliated us in every cup competition, struggled against part timers and blamed all and sundry for his own short comings, as a manager he is pathetic, as a former club legend he is a disgrace!

Rangers cannot possibly move forward while we allow people like this to remain at the club, we need people who can actually do their job and want to work for the club rather than "trueblue" conmen. I have criticised McCoist from the beginning, and took a lot of stick, but recently opinion has swayed considerably, hopefully this will force him out at long last or I fear many supporters will not renew their season tickets and even stop supporting Rangers.

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How about fans from any club, linking arms 2/3 deep round outside of Ibrox on a match day. If it can happen to us it can happen to any club! a peaceful demo and an opportunity for fans unity against those taking money out the game, and for fans to be listened to and have a voice. Follow this demo up with a march after the game to Hampden or Parkhead for a rally of all fans of all clubs. Must be peaceful but think of the power fans would have if our rivals could link together for the good of the game. what greater show of strength than bears and hoops, hibs & hearts all in team colours linked together all for the good of OUR GAME. I know I might be dreamin but imagine the influence this would carry! as well as opportunity in breaking down divisions.
footie mad dreamer

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3) very good post. Stop this boycott everything mentality and show you want to do something positive. The world is not against you, only against the liars and cheaters (who you had no control over). Right now, in many eyes, your club is struggling to achieve any credibility. The people in charge (past and present) have shown what integrity means to them. They have lied and cheated the associations, the fans and even each other. This is not what the genuine fans want. However, I am afraid until all the questions are asked and answered (who has the title deeds, is Whyte still involved etc. ) you will struggle to get support from other clubs supporters. (If these questions were answered, I would come along to support)
Ned

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Create a page - "Show us the Deeds" - no season tickets renewed until the deeds are shown.

Final game at Ibrox 4 May - all the fans who want to see the deeds - hold up a blank white A4 sheet of paper.

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26 Apr 2013 15:50:43
Well with Ahmad damaged it is looking like the old guard may well win the day.

Look at this in closer detail. Bain, Johnston, presumably others, warned Murray about Whyte. Rest assured they told McCoist. McCoist backed Whyte.

Brown, a former teammate and then co-worker, warns McCoist and Smith about Green. McCoist backs Green. The cynical might say 2% of the company and a tidy bonus bought that support.

McCoist, undoubtedly supported by Smith and Malcolm Murray fight Green's necessary cuts (only after Green is damaged might I add). Backs his squad 31 days later than most managers would (only after Green is damaged might I add).

So the figurehead, the one guy you have unflinchingly supported and backed throughout has endorsed TWO flawed regimes in a row and plans to go back to the p*ssing money down a drain ways that got the club into this mess in the first place!

It's said keep your friends close and your enemies closer. June 14th last year we woke up to reports of "Ally being sacked. " Green comes out with his statement that "I will leave the day I sack Ally and I told him that. " And the writer of this Ally sacked "exclusive"? A certain James Traynor. Mid-afternoon in comes Walter Smith's cackhanded coup attempt, coincidence?

John Brown this week says he told Traynor everything and hasn't talked to him since.

And now all three are happily ensconced back in the club earning a pretty penny for squirming, endorsing regimes for a sizeable percentage of the club, very belated, undermining bids, false journalism and ignoring scoops.

I haven't taken sides on this and have pointed out madness where I think I have seen it but if anyone thinks the old guard are any bit less self-serving than the others then you are in for a big disappointment.

During the week Keevins said "it used to be that we'd say Ally could fall in the Clyde and come out with a salmon in his pocket, how those days have gone. " Is he kidding?

He has wholeheartedly endorsed three regimes in a row (including Murray's) that have proved damaging. He more than played a part in a potentially destabilising coup when not one of the old guard chucked in one penny to save the club. He showed borderline cowardice by taking 31 days to back his players. He seems to be insistent on investing in SPL quality players when there is no commercial value in them nor are they required for the primary job in hand. At a staggering cost given the finances.

Read that last paragraph again please and then ask yourself who is the primary benefactor of all those things?

Alistair Murdoch McCoist.

Unlike Keevins, between all of that and managing an appalling team and clearly having no abilities for spotting talent I'd say he is the LUCKIEST man in the football world still to be in a job. Involved in a coup on your boss, endorse terrible regimes, rotten at your primary job with a questionable self-serving signing policy. Only endless turmoil and trust which long since should have evaporated have kept him at the helm, and that's just the way he likes it, because while your fretting about all that you haven't had time to truly scrutinise him and his self-serving ways.

Gaz

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Totally agree gaz, but I would point out that he has come out today backing the fourth regime, craig mather. used to have total respect for mccoist and smith, but now it's gone. money talks.

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Your concern for Rangers never fails to amaze when you are not a Rangers supporter. What you fail to realise or understand is Brown can say what the hell he wants, the problem is there was not one shred of proof. In other words rumours. How could Ally not back Green without proof, incidentally still no proof supplied. That will come in time. Perhaps Ally thought better to be there than away and letting some other manager with no love for the club, and letting Green rule the roost with no interference.
Still don't know why you care one iota.

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Ally is starting to look bad in all of this. He backed Whyte despite all sorts of rumours surrounding his business record. Green arrived and he was slow to jump on board, the right move, then he endorses Green and the season ticket money rolls in. Days later he has shares in the club, did he buy at 1p or 70p? Did he buy at all? Now he seems to be jumping into bed with Mather, again looking for cash the club don't have to spend on players. Does his buying record give anyone confidence to give him millions to spend? Look at the wages being paid now. and he wants to increase this? His mentor Walter is the worst thing to have happened to the club. He will back Ally to the death, as you would expect, but what is needed here is a businessman who will make the tough calls for the good of the club.

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@2) Did I say I care? I'm merely pointing out the insanity and wall to wall profiteering at your club that you either ignore, dismiss or defend. You sound like a combination of all three, kudos you.

Brown was never going to be the most eloquent of explainers was he? Does it mean you come out and back the guy like you did Whyte? Or can 2% say more than words ever can?

Just you sit there and question me, it will all go away, or the club will.

Gaz

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@2: like there's evidence that McCoist interfered in Green's ruling of the roost? lol

More like he did what he was told and accepted his money. Otherwise, he would surely have hit out at Green's 'worst team ever' claims.

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Must be talking sense Gaz.
DB

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Gaz, take a chill pill! In an ideal world all would be put right, and the baddies jailed. But in reality everything needs to be proved beyond a shadow of a doubt.

You don't have to worry Rangers won't loose their license. Should the mud stick there will be another 5 way style agreement, the board have been seen to respond responsibly by removing Green & initiating the investigation. The remainder of the share issue monies will go to whyte to pay ticketus, this will satisfy the LSE, and courts with minimum penalty. Greens shares will go to Rangers men, and Rangers may have to forfeit div 3 title. the 12, 12, 20 would get the go ahead (maybe).

The law will be seen to be satisfied on all fronts, the shysters will walk free, take a look at the Banksters, not one prosecution! They are all up to their necks in it, Banks, SFA, AIM, Courts, they all knew, and endorsed it! The way of the world.

Gaz, whilst your posts are generally accurate and decent, a lot of what you have said recently is not new and has been shouted from the rooftops for 15 years! And by passionate Rangers men, to which you give no credit at all. Yes they are the minority, most are only bothered with team form, 4-4-2, and WATP.
The result of decades of SDM conditioning.

We have a lot to sort out and we will succeed, but right now we have a back log of SH*T, and a viable budgeting structure to re-learn!

I was gutted the share issue went ahead, Green failed the check list, totally! But what's left of it will be used to seal the deeds, even if that was the cartel's plan all along. they were always 3 steps ahead.

And remember fellow bears if Dave king does come in, he MIGHT be okay, but he will be looking to recoup some of the 20 Mill he lost! What we need is people who are willing and able, to establish a viable business model, dare I say it on par with Celtic. Give credit where it is due. (Or St Mirren)!

Challenging days ahead but, AYE READY.

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Blue nights put up £xxx million and d&p said other offer more. how do we know this. miller offered £12 million but would not agree to d&p condition of £500k (non refundable) bond.

what if whyte agreed with d&p to reject all but greens offers claiming it was highest. only d&p know full offers

smith offered £6m day after purchase, bomber £8m.

expect whyte/green/ahmed to exit with keys (contracts in rfc subsidiarys) and leave rump (with huge debts) to smith and ally.

the conmen leave with dosh, and ally and smith get hands on rfc but without its primary assets. ibrox, murray park, retail sales, season ticket money (due to ticketus).

all that's left is team. and fans.

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@7/ You have left me speechless with your blind optimism. Another five way agreement? You sure? They are coming under pressure to show the first, a second would result in all out war. The SFA will not allow this to happen. The remainder of the share issue money will go to Whyte? You any idea how much there is? Is there any? Where is it? Murray's statement never soothed any nerves did it? So many problems you have glossed over but frankly you are dreaming if you really think things will pan out so easy.

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@7) I've never claimed to have an "inside ear" or have got something new or hot off the press, a lot of it is regurgitated of course but I very much doubt it's been shouted from the rooftops from many of you. For 15 years, come on? A very quiet minority I dare say but not by any means noticeable numbers of you.

A "Green out now" banner was up at a recent home game for all of 15 seconds till some skinheaded ned yanked it from them.

Feb 13th last year, Whyte comes to the front door, lucky if there was 30 of you there.

What I'm saying has nothing to do with baddies in jail, that will take care of itself. I'll say here and now Ally, Walter have done nothing illegal but what they haven't done is furnish you with accurate and honest information.

With the emotional investment lots of you put in, not to mention hard cash and the trust you have placed in those two that is arguably a bigger crime (in our minds, not the laws). If I was a Rangers fan I'd be more hurt by their actions than Whyte's or Green's, I'd expect it from those two if that makes sense and maybe their silence has been merely misguided but well intentioned but will any of you trust Ally in his ringing endorsement stockbroker role again? Fool me once and all that.

I have no idea if they will lose their license I do know that the second anything made that an even remote possibility it should have been red-flagged within minutes with Charles asked to explain himself there and then.

Bottom line is, for all he won't be mistaken for Barack Obama on the oratory front anytime soon, Bomber got to the crux of this in four words. "Show us the deeds. " This whole thing could hae been put to bed last June. But no, Murray Park is still Murray Park, surely the easiest thing in the world to change? The prospectus says "USE of Ibrox". All it took was one glance at that document, 10 months later you still have no idea regards its ownership. That truly gets to the heart of this lack of fan vigilence and willingness to comply.

Dave King ain't the answer mate, 322 outstanding charges to face, he's going nowhere fast. I admire your optimism regards purchasing the deeds and maybe the cartel have played a blinder here but I very much doubt it.

Don't get me wrong I've considered it many times, it's looking like it's nicely coming all into place but be honest, I've been slamming away here for weeks, "short-termist, self-serving, spineless, cowardly". I've described a number of the fans as mantra filled and apathetic and to be honest I haven't had a fraction of the disagreements and abuse I expected. I'm not saying I'm correct or anything by that but say last December, I'd have got it back in spades for most of the descriptive terms I've used in here lately. Now I'm getting "excellent post, best thing I've ever read in here, spot on, etc etc. " For the record I don't think that says anything about me writing skills wise or anything but merely reflects the sentiment of Gers fans right now.

As a joke I said to some mates earlier online "FFS I can't even get an argument with a Rangers fan when I call Ally a spineless, self-serving, coward any more!"

It was a joke but it says more about his standing than my debating skills lol.

I don't for one second think it's apathy, I think there is an understandable complete mistrust of everything at Ibrox currently from a lot of you and rightly so. But I think it goes even deeper than that I think Smith and McCoist's stock has never been lower than it currently is be it for on the park, perceived policy, perceived lack of vigilence on their watch so to speak, lack of a bid pre CVA last year, all that stuff. For me that seems to be the real undercurrent of the fans views right now. So regards "the cartel" I think that may be the one thing they have overlooked.

Gaz

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RFC cannot play in top Scottish league until 3 years of audited accounts are provided. end of!

So either they take 4 years to rise, or spend two years in a lower division - (4th or 2nd).

hence loosing licence is irrelevant, as still 3 years, but will take 4.

Looks like Green/Whyte&co have run the IPO to suck £22m out of this extra year.

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Gaz, I fully agree on D king, he's not THE answer but giving the sheer amount of sh*t to deal with, and lack of stability, we have to continue with short-termism for now (sadly).
We haven't been forward thinking for a long time and it's easy to criticize that, and to a point justifiably, but you are looking at the situation objectively, and I dare say comparing this to Celtics drama, which was a totally different set of dynamics, and far bigger players involved. But it did share some similarities, and the warnings from you guys fell on deaf ears. But it wasn't due to defiance alone, rather misinformation overdose, and betrayal.

The way I see it, something this filthy is going to take several cycles in the wash before anyone with credibility will touch us. And I hope late as it is, that the supporters stand their ground and demand clarity, and form affective representation!

@9 I am wide awake, and I never use gloss! Compromises will be made, and politics will continue to rule. Don't give up, just keep it real.

Aye Ready.

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26 Apr 2013 17:50:10
Did all of the original investors get to buy their shares for 1p each? is that why green said that £22m worth of shares were issued, but in fact only £9m was raised? dave & hugh

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Seems there were lots who got the 1p deal, but he charged the fans and the RST 70p!

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The shysters get the bargain, and the fans are fleeced yet again! dave & hugh

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Some got Ordinary shares and some got preferential Capital shares with voting rights and special dividends.

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26 Apr 2013 14:38:15
deeds - I am a bit CONFUSED with this deeds issue regarding Ibrox and Murray Park - surely you just pay your £17. 95 to the land registry and find out who the current owner is.

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Op, surely the daily rags would of done so months ago? If not then you sir are ahead of the game lol. CheltBlue

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@1 they probably did but did not like the truth

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@2 After the last 2 years of sporting and non-sporting headlines because of Rangers I'm sure they'd not miss out either way. The paper which prints the deeds will sell very well. CheltBlue

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@3 sell very well for acouple of days then get boycotted

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26 Apr 2013 13:56:28
D&P people were at the boardroom table with Craig Whyte in tow when they took RFC from SDM for a quid. SDM played a blinder giving away a £47m EBT liability plus what ended up £124m debts.
D&P were appointed Administrators by Craig Whyte.
D&P sold the assets to sevco5088, Whytes company fronted by Ahmad and Green, whom Whyte introduced to D&P in London as the guys to buy the assets.

Clearly D&P knew Whyte was behind sevco5088. They were with him all through the game.

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Yes - but did D&P try to stuff Whyte and switch sale to Sevco Scotland - greens vehicle.

Whyte then exposed D&P tape - showing they had knowledge before ADMIN - so now D&P b******* on the line - as LIQUIDATIORS and Judge can jail D&P partners if they wish.

Key issue is full exposure of the legal contract between D&P and Sevco 5088 (Whyte/Adley/Green).

a) did this contract allow sale to Sevco Scotland - if so under what conditions.

5 con-artists conning each other. who wins. ? RFC looses no matter who wins.

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I can understand that CW was involved with the CVA as he'd of still been "the owner" as he had the shares. However as soon as liquidation happened and Green bought the assets and started a newco then CW involvement is intolerable. that's is what we want to know, was Craig Whyte involved after the CVA was rejected? CheltBlue

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@cheltblue/ It does not really matter about your point mate. D&P signed a letter of intent with Sevco5088, whytes involvement there is proved. Green then claimed he bought the assets with the new company, Sevco Scotland. he did this without Whytes permission. that's the smoking gun, whyte cannot be cut out of anything because of this.

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@3 It matters to me and I'm sure other bears just want to know if Craig "goggle eyes" Whyte is still involved. If he isn't then i'm sure Rangers will be supported for many years to come. If he is then I fear the backlash could be fatal. And leave a name next time. You could be a hoopy in disguise lol. Or Gaz. CheltBlue

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It's a matter of public record that sevco5088 bought the assets and Green moved them illegally to sevco Scotland. CW has waited this long so D&P filed the documentation and cannot back track. It's all a matter of official record now.

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Lol not guilty Cheltblue :)

Gaz

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26 Apr 2013 13:41:37
I hope that during this in fighting at board level someone is keeping an eye on the date? If there are no audited accounts submitted to the SFA by the end of April there will be no Scottish cup next season. Another revenue stream denied.

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26 Apr 2013 14:16:26
why only the scottish cup?

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26 Apr 2013 14:39:05
As they only started as a NEWCO last June (Roughly) there year end is not in April and you can submit your accounts up to 9 months after your year end date.

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@2 If a football club want to enter the Scottish Cup and be eligible for Europe they must submit accounts to their national body by the end of April regardless of when they are to be submitted to Companies House.

G93

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Accounts are submitted to HMRC not Companies house. Companies house is updated when HMRC are happy with them.

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No4, I think you'll find your wrong there.

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5 is correct - your accountant does the accounts and you pay HMRC the company tax and VAT - the accounts are then submitted to companies house for file.

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26 Apr 2013 11:49:56
Rangers will never die. It doesn't matter where we play and what quality of players we have.
We have a support who instinctively will always place their allegiances with the team.
This is our greatest asset.
They cannot take that away from us.
Let the spivs destroy each other and we will rise again out of the ashes of their greed.

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How about a brand new club run and owned by fans with the obvious name of The Govan Rangers football club. Start in the junior ranks and rise to the very top. Now that would make a story but do we have the patience.

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After all this shocking news recently might that be the answer? Wimbledon and FC Utd are doing just that. A fan led club spending money wisely and earning the respect of the whole football world. Let the vultures stew. Rangers are worth nothing without the fan base. Time to use that power.

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The current situation with football is unsustainable. rangers were just run into the ground by idiocy, hubris and greed. FCUM is the way to go. blueprint for the future. green said nobody would be allowed to own more than 8% then promptly agreed to sell his shares to people who already own 6%. its a sport, a recreation. paying ally mcoist 1m a year and a bonus for beating 8 part time clubs and 1 amateur is the biggest joke ever played in world football. if he had stayed at home all year theyd still have won it. the fact that it was won so badly has left his reputation in shreds.

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26 Apr 2013 13:58:59
@1, I have some sympathy with your views, and probably over a 20 to 30 years this would be a positive move for Rangers & their true fans as a whole, however I believe their are too many people who follow Rangers who would not be prepared to be in the wilderness for such a long period of time.

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This current version isn't clean. It's a dirty cash scam started by Whyte, Green and Ahmad. And the usual suspects jumped on board for their own glory and bank accounts.

A FRESH START FROM FANS WITH FANS MONEY WITH NONE OF THEM AT ALL. SOMETHING FANS don't NEED TO WORRY ABOUT PUTTING HARD EARNED MONEY INTO. CLEAN, UPSTANDING, SOMETHING TRUTHFUL AND HONEST TO BE PROUD OF. RANGERS YOUNG BOYS.

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After all that's happened, I'd definitely support this. Let's take our club back from the money men, it's the fans that make the club, not those guys. We need to restore pride in the club and do things properly, the Rangers way.

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26 Apr 2013 11:17:47
As season ticket renewals approach we need to stay strong, we need to keep our cards close to our chest and we cannot sway or bend under pressure. We will all have the fear that if we don't renew our club will disappear but we cannot give in to scare mongering and propeganda. We need to stand up and say "WE THE SUPPORTERS ARE RANGERS AND WE WILL DECIDE WHEN WE ARE READY. WE'RE AYE READY"

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We've been saying that since December 2011. What are we waiting to be ready for? Another insolvency event? Points deduction?

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Baybear. A small point. The crest is Ready, not Aye Ready. A few people have posted this and it's wrong mate. Anyway, going back to your main point. We {The fans} have a decsion to make again, don't we? Did you hear DJ last night on SSB, in reply to the caller making the same point as you are? It's pretty straight forward you either support the club or you don't. Everyone can decide for themselves. I personally will be going along on the day of the game hoping to get in. If i'm turned away, then that's a good thing, and a risk i'm willing to take. I agree that we need clarity, and will not purchase a season ticket until that happens. But I won't be giving those who despise our club the satisfaction of wallowing in our demise/extinction.

P. O. B.

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@2 well they already have enjoyed the demise of rangers! Or are you talking about the The Rangers demise? Not quite sure which one you are getting at?

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Rangers.

Always have been.
Not so sure about the Always will be. LOL.

P. O. B

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26 Apr 2013 10:40:28
lads celtic fan hear and a football fan
vote with your feet hit them where it hurts start the next home game, BUT vote now
they have your season ticket money so they will manage to the end of the season.
show those destroying your club they will not get anymore money of you until they are gone.
this way things should get sorted quicker and the ones in it will run quickly when they realize your no more fools with there money.
i listen to radio clyde phone in you know no one on that panel are doing the fans and the rangers club any favours by not wanting to offend future appearnce money they could earn so they won't say exactly what is going on as they wear the rangers heart on there sleeve. they also won't bad mouth there friends who running rangers.
so put yourself in there shoes for a minute this is how they make there pay salary and right now with what's happening at ibrox gives them wages and they will drag it out and that ao and so keevins who is always dissing scottish football when these shows should be praising it I always wonder why they do this show if they hate it so much or they think its a laugh and easy money and us persons will keep phoning.
we find out more information via this forum than any tv media etc so I have stopped phoning this show as they tell us nothing which we do no allready know its old news
these rumour sites are great and most of the eds do a great job
so to get this over with quicker vote with your feet you are the source stop now

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I will renew if one simple thing is done. Post a photocopy of the deeds to Ibrox and Murray park. We deserve at least that much. If Whyte did for some reason have his name attached to these assets then so be it. We will work something out but at least we will have the truth.

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These guys believe they are superior to fans and do not need to do certain things:
1. Without a bond of trust, show deeds, ownership legally certified by reputable lawyer and
2. also certified accounts and annual report and answer all questions at AGM.

Only then attend games and buy tickets.

At the moment only the stupid and gullible attend.

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About 7000 season tickets to pay for duffer mcoist pacing the touchline with no idea what to do next. more of the same?

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26 Apr 2013 00:51:40
While I was doing the maths regards what Rangers actual worth is, I pondered what Ally was actually on (and worth) this season.

Did you know Ally this season will pocket more than Roy Hodgson and Joachim Low and is more or less on the same cash this year as Ottmar Hitzfeld? That's right the 18 trophy winning, twice Champions League winning Ottmar Hitzfeld is on the same dough as Scottish Division 3 winning Ally McCoist. The 31 day silence regards backing his squad is maybe a touch more understandable now, you'd have to be mad to rock the boat on that wonga.

Charles might not have heard the Champions League tune but he was paying Ally Champions League dough. Madness, utter madness.

Gaz

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Ally is on £17800 p/w + bonus. His two stooges are each on £8900 p/w + bonus. Smith is on a lot more than the£50,000 salary that's been banded about. a lot more!

Briggs

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Gaz, gie it a rest. Take a night off. All this stress isn't good for you.

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Yup, and you wonder why it's harder to get rid of him than a bad dose. When AMcC said "fully cleansed" I thought he was resigning. Unbelievable, even if Gers were at the top of Scottish football, that AMcC would be on that as a rookie. No wonder they went kaboom.

Will his contract be renegotiated? Or do we need a taxi driver to call him?

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This Gaz fellie talks a lot of sense at times.

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@2) Stress? I'm loving it. Ordinarily you see a club/company go into the abyss and think "Wow how did that happen?" Here on a near daily basis Rangers are providing us with the perfect prototype of how not to run a business. But some of you prefer to ignore, defiantly mantra your way out of it or in your case, defend the indefensible by somehow implying I'm stressed, if this is your club and we all know it sure as hell isn't mine why aren't you stressed, usual non answer answer?
He's slagging my club but I don't have the brains to dispute what he's saying, enjoy the last few trips on this merry go round but later don't come asking how it all went wrong, you were far too busy concerning yourself with me.
Gaz

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Cheers Briggs, I had it worked out based on his 3 month wage for the prospectus but had factored in that for the first month of which (June) he would have been on a reduced wage like all staff and players. As a top earner he would have been on 25% during the pay cuts.

Yours gets him to £925, 600. I had him at £933,000 (not a bad estimate based on a 3 month figure that had reductions. )

If Green's 7. 8% of the shares is worth £3m as we keep hearing, then Ally's 2% is worth approximately £750,000, add on his bonus £340,000 and you break the £2m barrier beating both Hodgson and Low and as I say sees him a few grand behind Hitzfeld.

But who cares, they are playing magnificent football and have tons of money right?

Gaz

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26 Apr 2013 00:23:44
At a time of financial wreckletvess, alleged board disputes and criticism of the old pals act is Ally's wage not a relevant topic Ed?

Gaz {Ed001's Note - I am not sure why you ask that? It has been mentioned on here many times.}

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I started a post earlier on it that didn't get put up, all relevant and accurate.

Gaz {Ed001's Note - I didn't see it sorry, no idea what happened or why it was rejected if it was.}

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Relevant in what way? The fact that it is a ludicrous wage for a third division manager? I read earlier that he earns more than the Dortmund Boss! If true he needs a pay cut!

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No worries Ed cheers.

Gaz :)

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@2) Lol ironically the original post that didn't come up I forgot to mention he's tied with the former Dortmund boss, but up now, in all it's splendid mad glory.

Gaz

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25 Apr 2013 23:46:42
So again we are guilty! no we do not need proof, the rumours the innuendo is way too strong to be anywhere near being wrong!
Sack them all, let's get in people that are Rangers minded and not only that will play our young!
Walter and Ally tarred with the same brush as Whyte!!
FFS are you kidding.
Aye the Ibrox loyal alright! Have none of you ever heard of the scenario where you are innocent until proven guilty!
Playing young boys, were met with boos from the loyal, as the kids were out muscled! But wait, we will give them a chance- pmsl The bears are unreal as they arrogantly believe success is there's and there's only!
Forget court cases and Charlie, forget all the wee rumours, you will see Whyte is a liar and Green. well he lied to Whyte but saved the Bear, THE TRUTH WILL OUT!

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I really hope you have been drinking mate, because that post is nonsense.

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How come folk make the distinction between the club (the team and the fans) and the company who run the club one minute, and then when the company that runs it is under suspicion it's called and attack un "us"? Can we stick to one story please?

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Cannae agree with this post on so many levels. This constant need for some of us to state the obvious is only because of posts like this. obviously the obvious is not obvious to some.
For the last time! (and for the benifit of @2)
WE are the club, the supporters that is. We have every right to distance ourselves from the nest of snakes that claim to represent us.
Ally and Walter are included in this nest as they collect astronomical wages for the former producing awful football and the later. well. what is it he does for his 50k a week?!
As for the rest, they are all akin to a family falling out and fighting over the inheritance of a loved one that's still desperately trying to fight for life! F**ing vultures the lot of them!
We need a mass cull then proper fan representation on the board. We don't need 'Rangers men' that's our job as supporters. We need genuine, successful buisnessmen and forward thinkers with a desire to succeed and progress with dignity and honesty. END OF!

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