Rangers Banter Archive April 26 2012

26 Apr 2012 23:20:38
Rangers Fans a question? I know you are all outraged at the actions of one man, aka Craig White, but why do you think that it is wrong for the SFA to punish Rangers when it was clearly that man's fault, but you are happy for Rangers to sue the firm that one individual that has now left, for 25 to 30 million, when clearly they never did wrong doing but the man that left did?

further more, if you think the sanctions are hard but you admit you are guilty, what sanctions should have been imposed?

Don't you think it is wrong that you never paid for players signed?

and also don't you think it is wrong not to pay gate money for cup games owed to other teams in Scotland?

and we are the people is not an answer

Duff and Phelps are pursuing Collyer Bristow for perceived losses after it was involved in brokering Whytes takeover of the Ibrox club not cause of one man.

Also whats a fair punishment, well i would say that since Neil lennon who has faced 5 sfa charges against him this season wont face any real sanctions nor should Rangers.

Seem's to be one rule for some and not others.

Hey op, good post,

The not paying for players thing is bogus, all clubs pay by installments and we do the same. We've hit administration and so that's maybe put doubt into peoples minds as to whether final installments will be settled, I understand that doubt and nobody really knows how it will pan out. I've heard though that If the blue knights are successful, all footballing debts will be paid outwith a CVA agreement which I agree is the honorable thing to do. Do you think OP, that Rangers intentionally signed players knowing they wouldn't be able to pay for them and end up shafting other clubs? I don't, not for one second. For one thing, if we were that callous, we wouldn't have been haggling over all those players we wanted last summer, We'd have just signed them (or better) and laughed our erchies off. by the way, we are owed more than we owe regards player fees, seeing that money again is also doubtful.

Agree, Not paying the cup receipts is shocking. big mistake. I for one would like to apologies to all clubs adversely affected by my clubs situation. the majority of our support is angry, frustrated and feel massively let down by the way our club has been run and the negative impact it is going to have on Scottish football. This clearly is not what anyone, but the most deranged, wants and I hope it can be sorted. duccablue

Administration not paying clubs you owe money for transfers and stalling payments to clubs in the spl for ticket money is a bit different from criticising referees

26 Apr 2012 23:07:14
just kills me all the goody goodies on here from the other side....hello ..wake up call...this country is a cash haven ...always has been always will be....paid the plumber cash the day...bought a telly cash the day...its rampant....so go and stuff yirself ..all the goody goodies who always pay their taxes.......deecee {Ed001's Note - doesn't make it right. If the plumber got caught taking cash jobs and not declaring them, he would expect to be punished too. Though I do agree, the hypocrisy is annoying. You are lucky to only see a tiny proportion of the posts, because us editors see hundreds of similar posts that just get deleted. We try not to let too much through that say the same thing, though multiple editors can mean that each of us lets a couple through, so multiple repeats can sneak through at times.}

26 Apr 2012 22:47:25
one of yous posted this about ally......Too right we think he was correct in what he said as he is the only one who can speak for us fans and voice how we are all feeling.
No one is looking for any sympathy from the other clubs but we wont go without a fight so bring it on.
you say this but then go after us tims for our manager doing the samething, so once again your manager is aloud this and it is for the right reason yet ours is horrible for doing the samething? does that makes sence to yous?
on top of that our manager talks about refs and the game and how we feel hard done by IN THE GAME! ally was going after ppl doing there job which he know the names of the pannel, yet yous seem to ignore that fact. what will it take for yous to wake up? what he did was bring out hate and anger and yes it might be because he loves his club but when it comes to our managers yous say he is a disgrace to our club because he is out of control.
how about STOP bringing other clubs and thier ppl into everything and judging your punishment with others. this is your clubs mess which no other club was part of. can WE stop all the hate and saying your manager is worse then ours. you now know alot of info of whats going on yet you can find out even more with sdm. STOP threatening other ppl for just doing whats right and there job. you are not bigger then rules no matter how important you are to the league(and that goes for every club) your anger should be at your own ppl and NOT the ppl who are doing the right thing by just following the RULES that ALL clubs have to follow. look at the right ppl, the ones that got into this ie,sdm,ws,am,oglivy for you know where the problem started and during what era.

An you have nothing better to do than post a novel of p!sh on your greater rivals rumour page ? Says it all really !
PaulRFC

Tell you what, we'll stop slagging your Manager when you stop slagging ours - ok everybody happy then!

OP , my mistake, I need to pay better attention ;-)
PaulRFC

26 Apr 2012 22:39:27
Lord Alan Sugar reported to be interested in Rangers. Not interested in buying them, just interested in the farce they've created there..........................Ally................................You're fired!!

Didn't he made a joke at Rangers' expense on last night's show?

If so, will that be a boycott of The Apprentice too?

@1. And a boycott of the BBC............AGAIN.

They may boycott The Apprentice but will they also boycott The Apprenctice Boys ?

26 Apr 2012 22:23:53
Love the new strip!

Not normally one for buying/wearing the strips, but will buy this one. Here's hoping we're still here. Before any of you munters come on (lol) I was never that fond of the stars anyway. More room for that big badge.

pappy

Love it too. Feels great!

Stevie Wonder

26 Apr 2012 22:10:12
Here is a scenario that i've not seen brought up but what if we lose Mcgregor and Alexander in the summer and on the 1st day of next season the 3rd and 4th pick keepers get bad injuries and are out for the season.

Would we be forced into playing an outfield player in goals all season or even a 14-15 year old?

That's how ridiculous this ban could end up being, Rangers please, please walkout of the spl of this ban is not overturned. {Ed022's Note - And what happens I'd your whole team just falls over and dies all at the same time, due to a giant orgi with overly sized toys. Apparently that's not was meant by 'team bonding' exercises.}

Goalkeepers can be brought in any time as emergency cover.jeeze,learn the rules..........green jhedi

Ha ha ed22 ur the man keep em comin weve been needin cheering up around here.
craig+babybear {Ed022's Note - I do try mate.}

Whats a orgi ed 22 ? lol

A collection of 5 or more corgis. kinky

anything like a orgy perhaps lol ? {Ed001's Note -

Is that the rules that say ya ALWAYS pay a loan fee ?
PaulRFC

26 Apr 2012 21:54:49
Know how we get out of this mess. Sell the film rights to make a film about this, the only problem is that it may be too unbelievable even for Hollywood

Aye it could be called whitey does govan cause he has really truly pumped us...
craig+babybear

26 Apr 2012 21:44:07
So gregg wylde left rangers due to redundancy and not being payed for a month.Thought he was a hero putting the little people first?........green jhedi

I no that's what ya thought , I remember your posts at the time , so what's your point ? Let me guess , SHOCK HORROR he was after the money all along. Yaaaawn
PaulRFC

What i find weird is why isnt he signed to play yet with bolton, i think he definately jumped at getting a move ... fair play whats happened since though..
craig+babybear
p.s he will never make it at bolton couldnt cross the road never mind a football

@1; the point is you mugs swallow anything rangers tell you...........green jhedi {Ed022's Note - Anything...?}

Have you an oral fixation ed lol garlar07 {Ed001's Note - just be careful round him, he is not fussy, male, female, bit of both, he will take what he can get.....}

Pipe down japs eye , there was many who questioned an didn't believe Wylde then we had you mhanks jumping to his defence, so again your point WAS ?
PaulRFC {Ed001's Note - to the person asking why he hasn't played for Bolton yet, quite simply he can't. He has to wait until the next transfer window, because he was released too late.}

And he profiles players... Hmmm - bit of a stalker too? {Ed001's Note - it is more of a fetish.....}

26 Apr 2012 21:13:28
Funny on here how people keep on banging on about how much money Rangers owe other football clubs.

As of the begining of this month Rangers owed a total of £3.3 million.

However Rangers are owed £3.8 million from other football clubs.

This is how it works in football although it just doesn't suit some peoples arguement.

Aye but that does not count cause Rangers being owed more money from other clubs than we owe out does not sit well with the Celtic proganda machine.

I'm sure that Rangers are the only team in world football that has signed players and paid them up installments no other team has done this not even the sanctimonious Celtic (aye right).

When Celtic sign a player for £2-3m they pay it within 10 minutes of the transfer being done, don't they?

Be interesting to see a list of creditors for every other spl club and see just who owes what that might shut a few people up. {Ed022's Note - The glorious world of PayPal is where it's at!}

Is it not the case that many of Rangers debts are overdue, yet the money owed to Rangers isn't?

Tell me, what colour is the sky on your planet? Think the tax bill has hit you on the head and given you a wee turn.

These clowns dont get it do they ,yes defered payments are the norm but most clubs pay them,Rangers on the other had have no intention of paying for players i.e Wallace, and much as I dislike Hearts they have showed more dignity about than most and certainly more than the self titled dignity FC

Dannybhoy {Ed001's Note - how do you know they wouldn't pay them?}

@4 The final payment for Wallace is due at the end of the season, obviously events have overtaken that.

26 Apr 2012 20:57:39
Why after all these years of ppl talking about playing in England. When will you understand that it will never happen, time and time again you have been to,d that, from England , from the SFA, from the fa, from uefa.
Please stop saying we can buy a club in England and work our way up, please understand NO WE CANT

The chairman of the English football league was on Sky sports yesterday saying that the only way a Scottish club would be allowed to apply to enter the English league was if it came via the SFA. Somehow I don't think the SFA would be willing to let Rangers leave them in the lurch and saunter off to England.

Defo non starter.

Let's just get the club in safe hands, negotiate a way to pay our bills, start afresh and move on. Less talk of naming names, protests, boycotts etc.

Let's take our punishment and learn from it.

The Pilot!

The Pilot

Actually if you seen SSN today an English league official did leave the door open a bit on this issue. By no means was it a yes but not 100% no on the matter either.

Would be up to the SFA and English FA and if they agreed it could be a slight possibility.

Whatever happens lets hope Rangers resign from the spl and i would say that even if Roman abramovich bought us.

Let the spl sit and watch Celtic win the league year after year and see how boring it would become and how many sponsers a one horse race league would attract.

26 Apr 2012 20:55:03
if rangers were 2fold i will not be supporting another team i would rather sell everything we have and be a rubbish team. look at all the other teams in spl no diss st mirren kilmarnock etc not great teams but they hav true fans bare the bad times no matter wat so wat i am saying i will always be there cheering on the boys in blue. i dont do walking away

26 Apr 2012 20:52:15
Got my ticket for the piggery Row r in the Lisbon lions upper it is restricted viewing , does any1 no how restricted it is?

Not as restricted viewing as ibrox where you could,nt see the shytestorm coming,garlar07

Unfortunately, due to an oversight when constructing parkhead, all seating faces the pitch forcing said seat purchaser into watching 11 green and white bottlers.

Aye theres a big list of all the names & numbers of the money owed by rangers its about 12 ft by 12ft so unlucky your in a s**te seat

lenny

The SFA have still to decide!!

The Pilot!

Depends how much you've had to drink lol bigk1873

It's totally resticted so you can't see. It's to give anonymity to the players. Lol

Yeh you'll be sitting behind lennon.

Just think yoursel lucky you have a ticket to the home of the champions, for one of your last away games ever.....Congratulations.....Stevie

26 Apr 2012 20:37:59
Duff and Phelps saying we may not have enough money to see out the end of may

Borrow some off of them, they seem to be earning a pretty penny.

26 Apr 2012 19:28:18
all the other spl teams fans that say they will boycott the spl if rangers newco gets in spl i for one do not believe they will not turn out and support there team they are just backing rangers into a corner and it will backfire on them

Fine let them, they will only be hurting their own clubs in the long run. They are struggling to get anywhere near filling their grounds anyway.

26 Apr 2012 19:13:34
Its amazing what a bit of internet digging can do on the subject of 'Tax avoidance schemes'.
Lets hope there are not too many more high profile figures in the Scottish game that have tried this.

Well you are the digger what did you find?.........green jhedi

Meaning what garlar07

He is still digging green jhedi, garlar07

26 Apr 2012 19:52:38
Just a quick point.

Rangers have spoken about leaving the SPL to play in England for a few years before the problems came out and have actively tried to do so. So why do they now say that the SPL needs them?? If the SPL needs them why try to leave? Rangers didn't consider the gate money of smaller SPL clubs then did they? Why now?

And celtic haven't...who also has been recently very active in trying the English route again?

26 Apr 2012 19:39:58
On a day when the Celtic manager faced his 5th misconduct charge in the space of a month all the Celts can talk about is super Ally?

Could not make it up, Does anyone know how many times this guys been up before the sfa in his short time at Celtic 8-10 times?

I await the 12 month ban on Neil lennon signing players.

Lennon will get a slap on the wrist, told to sit in the stands and calm down...Why because his boss is on the board of the SFA, Lawwell will not allow the SFA/SPL or anyone else to handicap his manager to the detriment of his own team.

We don,t need any new player,s

You cannot compare Lennon with Rangers. Get a grip.

@ op lemons had more charges than a Spanish bull ffs

@4 still not as many as your would be messiah whyte garlar07

26 Apr 2012 18:15:17
since this debacle began all we have seen from rangers, both club and fans is, in the main, aggressive, pompous, deluded nonsense. you are now blaming the sfa for 'allowing' craig whyte to take over. it was david murray and his board who did that. (even if he hadnt the position would be the same. murrays business is going down fast) the sfa played no part in those negotiations and if they had blocked it , you would still be outside hampden demanding billionaire whyte should take over.
the bbc were the first to raise the alarm. what was that met with ? calls to picket the bbc in glasgow, and boycott it. one of your supporters thingy's ( dont know which, rangers supporters wasp nest maybe) were in the thick of that. bbc were right of course.
you moved on seamlessly to blaming anybody and everybody. the list of potential boycotees is now longer than the rangers first team players list. at every stage of this madness you have sought to run down other clubs blaming most of them for your mess. you have besmirched scottish football in a way no other club has done anywhere. threats to march on hampden. protest at the cup final. boycott sponsors (how many rangers supporters work for these companies ? what about them ? ) boycott scotland international team. how about boycotting rangers ? when will the penny drop ?
rangers were like a guy who got 100 grand worth of credit cards and blew the lot. looked rich for a while and drew people in and kept it going until the bills got too big.
so heres a quick list of organisations who you say are out to get you.
the bbc. renowned worldwide for honesty
the sfa. of which rangers are a member.
the spl. of which rangers are a member
celtic fc. who have said next to nothing on the matter.
dundee utd fc. rangers owe them money
hearts fc. rangers owe them money.
bored now.

The last two words of your rant are about right, thats what I am and am sure most bears are of the tax experts, company analysts, the footballing genius, law experts and know it all's from the east end of Glasgow. Post your dribble on the other site where you can all salivate and froth at the mouth about Rangers, bored now!!

Suggest if you are bored you go back to your own page. We are equally bored reading this garbage.
Let's make this clear, we are members of SPL and SFA, and usually when you are a member they try to help in times of trouble. Not this mob, they change the rules to suit themselves, they don't want us in div 3 because they want our money, they don't want us to sign because they don't want us to be competitive. They take 75 per cent of tv money and if we are not there they would get bugger all from tv. It's look after themselves. Let me make this clear. If we are not there at least six of the teams in SPL will be in our predicament in a year, the we will have a four team league. These people should remember that it is not whyte or Murray that is suffering it is the fans, the same fans that get charged over the odds at away games. They have lived on our backs and celtics for years. Our ticket prices are over £5 dearer than the average game for these clubs. As far as the national team is concerned if it wasn't for rangers our co-efficient would be ten times worse than it is.
The problem is that there were no rules in place and they are making them on the hoof and looking after themselves. Let them have a kick when we are down, because if they keep playing these games there will be no rangers and the die that happens the rest of Scottish football dies, so be careful what you wish for. Let me say that the situation would be exactly the same if it was Celtic in this position.
The tv money will be slashed, there will be no league sponsors, the co-efficient will collapse. Last one out turn the lights off.

Main poster - where did u dig that saying up ' a guy who got 100 grand...'
Technically Hearts are due their money at the end of the season as per the deal, obviously though things changed.
Have you applied for a job in the bbc?

1. 2 and 3.
read through your replies and i cant find one factual rebuttal of any of my post. just the usual 'at's rubbish so it is'. especially 2. you just made all of that up didnt you ? lol (ticket prices are increased due to extra security costs.)
that's what i'm getting at, if you look carefully at the facts, as courts etc and businesses who are owed money do, you will see it as plain as day.
so lets start at the beginning, were you not all outraged and demanding action when the bbc outed craig or not ? it was all over this board i'll bet. after that maybe we can move onto how the cva you crave will impact on the money rangers owe hearts for instance.
3. the credit card thing was just an example of the initial effects of borrowing money you cant pay back. i thought you'd recognise the scenario vis a vis murray and rangers. cant you see how (as repeated above in 2) your demeaning attacks on the rest of scottish football will backfire ? at the very least you are saying that you have won nothing 54 times, because the rest of it is a load of rubbish.

26 Apr 2012 18:04:52
I would like to know if it's possible for Rangers to apply to join the English 3rd division? Would it be possible?
I would think this would be the way forward.

Also would supporters like the idea of this...?

I would be all for it

Bill

Not possible

26 Apr 2012 18:00:31
can anyone tell me why the threats to ally mccoist and his family on twitter arent being reported or being made a massive deal of??

no becuase hes the RANGERS manager thats right

source: RST

ryanrfc

26 Apr 2012 17:47:07
sat back and read all sorts of posts about everything thats been going on,i would like to ask rangers fans what they think there punishment should be,and dont say nothing or spout bile about whos fault it is sfa duff and duffer etc etc etc,cause it is your club who ran up the debts not the sfa or the 3 man panel SPEGGY

Main poster - punishment should be for what?

26 Apr 2012 17:30:22
lets be honest fellow bears the Spl are going to change/make new rules to enable Rangers as a newco to remain in the SPL albeit with loads of penalties.

i ask you this? would this happen if it was Kilmarnock St Mirren or any other SPL team except Celtic the answer is NO. what this tells me is the SPL needs Rangers or more to the fact the Money Rangers help generate through TV,Sponsorship,gate receipts etc than Rangers need the SPL.

lets be honest how many of the other SPL clubs could survive in the SPL with reduced tv money/sponsorship money or gate receipts

if rangers go to the sfl 3 within a couple of seasons the SPL will implode teams will go bust a new league setup will be drawn up and because a precedent has been set these bust clubs will have to reform in the bottom league leaving the Old Firm back up where they belong at the top of the food chain Mark My Words.

Lochaber Bear

26 Apr 2012 17:19:46
just a thot here from a celtic fan coming in peace. is it just me thinking this, rangers wid of been probably better keeping jelavic the way things are looking just now. he is on fire

So was souter johnies pub in kirkoswald yes another 1 of cw s tricks what id like to know is where is the money for him doug {Ed001's Note - the money for him has been accounted for, Everton paid some up front, the rest is due to be paid in instalments.}

Would of been interesting seen his thoughts on a 75% wage cut... But it's another example of the clowns running us ... Sell a 10mill player for half that an then only get half a half what he's worth paid up front! Great f3ck!ng business that !
PaulRFC

Doubt very much if he would be playing the same way at the mo. Got the impression before he left he wasn't too bothered half the time. Maybe the fact he has a new challenge and earning mega money compared to what he was getting here might have something to do with it, Or maybe he's just trying to tempt Alex Ferguson to come and buy him.

To poster 3
Or maybe he's thinking about the euros and he isn't bored anymore talking about money problems and going bust etc..

Andy

26 Apr 2012 16:57:36
A lot of thought went into new
strip, what a load of crap.
Could not have come up with a
worse design if i tried

It's a design known as the "asset strip"

Too me its too plain really just a repeat of barcelona strip 1972 doug

100% correct most fans will like coz the wont say anything bad but its the worst strip in years


TB

Aye with tenements below the badge that totally ruins it, also did I see the tims have a more or less same strip design?

J

Pint of tenements please garlar07

26 Apr 2012 16:27:06
Mr oppressed minority lemon to face another "wait for it" 3 charges for conduct in semi final,the guys had more charges than FRANKENSTEIN ffs.BLUNTRU72 LLRFC

Wonder whit sally will get.

HaHa;and he really winds you lot up eh? Why do you hate him so much?..........green jhedi

A steak bake?

Come on neil admit it it,s all your fault ebt,s tax case,sfa,spl,world famine,n,korea,hosepipe ban,syria,the list is endless,the man from N,I, is the antichrist.garlar07

26 Apr 2012 16:10:13
Does the transfer embargo include the signing of loan players?

If not then would this not be a good thing for the prospective new owners as they can sell some of the current 1st team squad and then look to replace them with loan players. Surely some of the big teams in England or abroad would like the idea of their players getting 1st team football as it would be more or less guaranteed with the position that Rangers are in.

Would help with getting transfer money in, and reducing the wage bill.

The Pilot!

What standard of players would be keen to play in the scottish 3rd division ?

Very few of the current first team would be keen to play in the scottish 3rd division either . Looks like youths with davie weir back in as player coach

jimi88

Would the division your playing in dictate that? Remember there is always a loan fee too............green jhedi {Ed001's Note - not always a loan fee.}

Glenn loovens and Kelvin Wilson would struggle in 3rd division.

26 Apr 2012 15:59:25
Gary Neville is such a hypocrite when we played man utd and and a couple years ago barcelona aswell both nil nil draws defending for almost the full game it was "anti-football" but then a english team does it and its an amazing show of defence double standards

HAMILTON LAD

If gary Neville was on flames I'd p!ss down the drain he was lying beside !
PaulRFC

26 Apr 2012 15:43:56
why a transfer embargo if in admin you are under this already so when does it start from now or when you leave admin as this would reduce the actual time ban if they run side by side

I imagine mate, that i would cover the summer transfer window and the January one.

Kenny McG

Obviously i meant to say IT lol ;)

Kenny McG

26 Apr 2012 15:39:17
money from strips goes to JJB remember Minty sold it off with all the family silver

26 Apr 2012 15:14:11
ed or anyone else for that matter,do we know if the sfa plan on taking any action against the reptiles for burning seats at the glasgow cup final?
drumlad {Ed001's Note - reptiles? Is this some David Icke thing?}

Ed001, dont let them know about that, its who they will be blaming for all this mess soon! itts the 8 foot lizards fault!

Evinguu

Shouldnt it be the police locking them up !

26 Apr 2012 13:55:25
In all this rangers soap opera,the watp mob are saying we want to know who killed our club......1 man DAVID MURRRAY!!!!!!!!!!!!stevo

How can five people disagree with your comment. Are they sane?

Mojo

M8 they will blame anyone from the bbc,phil mc,alex thompson,sfa,spl,craig whyte,when the man they worshiped for years is the main reason for there demise!stevo.the truth hurts,but will set you free......

ED in your honest opinion(since your not biast)would you not agree that murray is the 1 that brought rfc to there knees??stevo {Ed001's Note - yes I would.}

26 Apr 2012 13:42:25
The stars have been intentionally left of the strip as the designers wanted to try and create a like for like copy the strip to celebrate the 40th Anniversary of Barca Bears European Cup Winners Cup triumph. It has nothing to do with losing titles or starting a fresh as is being implied in the comments above.

26 Apr 2012 13:34:08
Here's a question regarding the one year banned on signing players.

When the new owner comes in regardless who it is, would the owner actual have any money to buy players, surely for the short term the plan would be to keep the club going on a even keel and possibly pay the debts to people outside the soccer world.

Personally i think a appeal will be lodged and the ban will be reduced to six months, (just my view not a rumour)

Das Shadow

@Das Shadow; i posted much the same mate,i thought it was a get out of jail card for any new buyer.To be fair i think a ban on transfers until all football debts are paid would have been more sensible........green jhedi

@Green jhedi, personally i thought it would have been a worse, IE points reduction, heavier fine, to be honest never crossed my mind about a transfer ban,if it means Rangers starting in the SPL and on a level playing field regarding points i'll settle for what we got, but more will come next Monday and this will be forgotten about and we all move on to the next drama

Das shadow

Jhedi,if you want that make it for all teams to pay their debts

26 Apr 2012 13:23:58
Ffs if the sfa had tried to block the whyte takeover you would have been outraged your chairman didnt want him the greatest ever ranger didnt want him and when the bbc told you about him even your manager said there is a witch hunt and the bbc were banned from ibrox the truth is you were getting warnings from a lot of sources but chose to ignore them but now its everyone elses fault the sfa didnt kill rangers murray and whyte did as for duff and phelps there just using the sfa and the spl to cover up the fact that they cant deliver what they promised all these deadlines they set have all passed by they said they needed clarity from the sfa no the punishment but when they got it they said why are telling us this now so take a step back and have a look at the culprits and i think you will find its not the authorities but the custodians of your club

That may be so we probably would have been outraged but that is no reason for the SFA not to conclude a full investigation into him after all they must have been aware of the outrage that was coming regarding the transfer ban but that didnt stop them from issuing it.

lochaber Bear

They didnt do a investigation because your board members snuggle up to them and buy them dinner and have shaky deals, so the sfa les you do what you want and run it the way you want, but now bubble is burst and rangers are now going after them because the sfa cannot get away with not punishing yous proper. so now the deal between yous are done and is every man for himself.....yous are no sounding like the the tim consipercy is true.

26 Apr 2012 13:17:51
new strip is brilliant best strip for years ordered mine already,,get ordering fellow bears

Are you crazy? Rangers might not be here next season.

Rangers will always be with me mate,here or not you cant kill history or memories

@2. But it seems you can, quite easily. All you need is a dodgy chairman to sell to another dodgy chairman, a ticket company, £25M, a washed up has been player as manager and 50,000 nuggets who hang on his every word. Oh, and Jim White too.

Ahhh The history of cheating and the memories of ripping everyone including small business's off! You must be very proud!

@3 world war 2 has been over a long time but people will never forget just as rangers will never be forgotten if the worst happens just like scottish football will still be talked about fondly when it dies shortly after any demise of rangers

How have we cheated ? Tax cases still to be decided.So every team with debts is cheating ?

26 Apr 2012 12:53:48
Judicial Panel names are pope Benedict. Neil Lennon. and Paul McBride ghost conspiracy theory give it a rest fed up listening to us crying is embarrassing

26 Apr 2012 12:50:55
@ED... why is it that on the chelsea rumours page their is a search bar at the top, and on the rangers page their is not.. the search bar is great for finding your posts.. can we get a search bar on the rangers rumours site ?....jsm {Ed022's Note - I'll pass it on.}

Thanx Ed022's..jsm

26 Apr 2012 12:23:27
Have Rangers Football Club have no shame. Take a bow Ally. Happy now 3 innocent people getting abuse for your stupid crying. Ally dosen't do walking away he just like getting people in to trouble. Same old rangers always cheating. #CelticChampions Bigirishmac

So McCoist in his anger does once what Lennon has done on a monthly basis as Celtic manager and you come up with this. Rangers can be blamed for may things at the moment, but not an outspoken manager. McCoist normally keeps his court very well, and Lennon should take a look at how both McCoist and Walter Smith before him have handled themselves.

The same as the refs getting abused and threatened because things don't go celtic way watp

Spare us the moral indignation please. Celtic are a club that once wanted every single referee in Scotland to declare what the team they supported as kids and who are more than happy to insinuate that every ref in Scotland is biased against them.

Also your gaffer will be back at the sfa soon facing yet more charges of misconduct.

Pot, kettle ,black.

Pathetic

bill72

Yup and Lennon has been in serial trouble for his outbursts, even when his own life has been theatened. McCoist can expect a fine too.

Bigirishmac its clear your a total dobber! Pathetic! Think before u talk crap!

Raab

You cant blame ally for the morons that are making these threats.

Mr Blonde

It's Alrite wee Raab go look for your stars on your new kit. I think there hidden round the back somewhere. ;) Celtic champions bigirishmac

@7. Unfortunately some of the tic fans can't see that distinction. Some of them won't criticise their own manager when he acts like a muppet, so what do you expect? Double standards - never!

Why did he make a big thing about asking who they were when he already knew,stirring the pot methinks.garlar07

26 Apr 2012 11:43:48
Hi Ed, just a few points....

I think the idea of the spl/sfa is to force us into staying in the spl while being hit with these sanctions. Used to fill away grounds - Used for Sky deal -

Div 3 for me thanks, lets see Hearts, Dundee utd and Aberdeen etc follow into Admin.

Our club will survive due to its fan base!

Just 1 question to you Ed - Now CW has been banned of any involvement in Scottish football, does this mean he will be forced to sell his shares at any price?

Davo {Ed001's Note - he can't be forced to sell, but the club can be hit with repeated sanctions while he remains in charge.}

50000 people are not turning up to see div 3 football

So because rangers have let themselves get into this state you would like the same to happen to other clubs now

26 Apr 2012 11:23:02
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does the punishment fit the crime all i see we have done wrong is not pay dundee utd which has now been done

And Celtic remain on your creditors list.....green jhedi

Have we seen celtics creditors list GJ ?

bill72

Bill72: Celtic aren't in administration so it's nothing to worry about. If they weren't paying creditors, we'd soon know all about it. Stop clutching at straws.

@bill72; are you serious? what would that prove? You seem to be mixed up,Celtic are not in administration and facing possibly more sanctions.So your going where with this?...........green jhedi

26 Apr 2012 11:11:52
ed you wrote in one of your earlier posts that rangers should feel lucky to be in spl and they got off lightly,i can tell you that the majority of rangers fans and probably staff at rangers would rather see rangers being booted down a division or two,but they dont have the guts to do that,because they know it could have a snowball affect on other teams going down the same path as us,the spl and sfa need rangers footall club as they need celtic aswell without either its gona be a part time top division {Ed001's Note - I do believe that the SPL and SFA are trying their best to keep Rangers in the top flight.}

Get it over with now, as a rangers fan this is really boring and embarrassing now. Make a decision D&P AND GROW A SET! Make the call and make it 3rd division and see how everyone reacts then. If you do not do something this will go on forever!!

You are right ed they are trying to keep Rangers in the top flight but for what reason their love for Glasgow Rangers or for the love of the sponsorship/the tv revenue/the money generated by the support that Glasgow Rangers brings to the top flight. they want us in there but they want to make sure that we are incapable of winning anything. in my opinion the SPL clubs need Rangers more than Rangers need the SPL clubs if we head into SFL division 3 it will be hard and there will be barren times ahead but we are a big enough club to come through it how many other SPL clubs could survive without the money rangers generate never mind survive under the restrictions the SPL and the SFA plan to impose on Rangers.

Lochaber Bear

If we stay in the SPL, the authorities are gonna make sure that we are 'hamstringed' for the next few seasons anyway, keep us barely alive so they can use us as a cash cow to protect their revenue stream.

26 Apr 2012 10:44:36
Welcome ed22 will you be our dedicated ed or are you just passing through mate. remember dont say anything derogatory against us or we will want you identified lol.

on a more serious note

question to all fellow bears

it looks like due to various sanctions from the SFA/SPL a newco is our only option, now i for one was so against this that i swore i would not support any new owner that took us down this route. but on reflection i can now see that the SPL/SFA have basically tied the hands of any potential buyer with the proposed sanctions making it impossible to exit administration with a CVA.

so here is the big question fellow bears if a newco is formed, should we remain in the spl (if invited) or should we apply to the SFL, i for one will support a newco if we bite the bullet show some dignity and join the SFL division 3.

i will not support a newco if they bow to the SPL it is plain to see that the other ten clubs dont want us but they want the money that Rangers attract via sponsorship,tv rights and gate receipts.

if we go down to SFL we will rise again to be the dominant force in Scottish Football and we can do it without the likes of Kilmarnock, St Mirren, Dundee Utd etc doing us a favor by allowing us to stay in the SPL.

here is a thought for the Celtic fans who will take delight in our demise once we are gone you will lose the only friend you have in voting terms. whilst we are fighting our way out of the SFL the Celtic will be fighting the other 11 spl clubs because they will turn on you like a pack of wolves, it has already begun with secret meetings etc. it wont be long before they are getting half of your home gate income.

sensible replies only please

Lochaber Bear

Dear me,this seems to be the latest straw to clutch.there is no way they will get 50% of gate money from Parkhead.give it up...........green jhedi

50% of what? from Parkhead

60.000 or 40.000 - depends on the calculator - Seville or 60's/70's

bill72

Can you be sure of that jhedi if one thing has been constant regarding rangers and Celtic they have constantly supported each other when it came to keeping power and calling the shots (rightly or wrongly) you remove one part of the old firm and it leaves the other vulnerable to attack. you cant deny that moves are all ready afoot to change the voting system lets say they get a 8 to 4 voting system and one director proposes that all gate receipts are divided equally and it goes through 10 2 what can celtic do you tell me

Lochaber bear

Dear me bill,still harking back to attendances over twenty years ago.laughable.........green jhedi

@bill72, as the ed. said yesterday to another poster clinging to the attndance thing, until you can produce concrete proof etc. give it up as it makes you look like you're clutching at straws too.

@lachaber bear; It;s a good question mate,but i think Celtic would take a real hard stance,legally,and challenge it through the courts tying the proposal up for years.If that happened the Celtic support would almost certainly boycott all away fixtures,leaving the clubs massively out of pocket and the SFA in a long,protracted and expensive legal battle.Dont get me wrong they will scent blood and try what they can,and you cant blame them...........green jhedi

26 Apr 2012 10:06:18
How do Soccer clubs get away with this, In really life a company would of gone into the history books.

Sarah - New Jersey

Because and ordinary company does not have hundreds of thousands of people who support them.

Yes they do, they have shareholders. Other businesses usually carry a larger amount of employees all from local areas. Could these be considered as supporters?

@2. No they're employees, who get paid by the company - also shareholders get a divvie. Fans pay for tickets/merchandise etc, the club does not pay them.

Employees get paid by companys, Shareholders get a dividend, so no they are not supporters. Supporters put money in not the other way around.

26 Apr 2012 09:54:25
Why should Ally quit?, he's done nothing wrong bar asking who the people are who may very well have put the future of the club and 100s of peoples jobs at risk.

Employees of Rangers could very well lose their homes and be left jobless if Rangers go under these people have been given zero sympathy for something that is not of their making. Not talking about super rich footballers here but salt of the earth people earning £200 per week.

A ban on a Football club working in the transfer market is a bit like a ban on a plumber fixing broken pipes etc, it will affect income not just for one year but for many years to come.

Why no ban on Dundee,Livi,Moterwell etc who all went into admin and all owed money to hmrc at the time?

Also side point here but these names were leaked on a Celtic forum not a Rangers one.

Rangers should have thought about their employees before breaking all the rules. What do you expect? sit on the naughty step for a couple of hours. Yes it has nothing to do with the supporters but what has happened was on various blogs months and months ago. You lot stuck your head in the sand and decided it was "Timmy" mischief making. Buying players when it was obvious to those in charge that the money was not available, your lucky its only a 12 month ban.

He didn't need to ask who was on the panel because he had access to that info through the club. Therefore, his stupid rant was very wrong indeed. The actions of a moronic minority have now also shown why the names of those on such panels are not revealed to all and sundry in this country. We could end up without a disciplinary system with people refusing to rule on Old Firm cases in fear of threats to them and their families.

While I don't believe Mccoist directly caused the f*ckwit fraternity to do what they have done, I do believe his lack of judgement has contributed indirectly. he didn't need to demand for their identities to be known but in doing so he has poured fuel on the flames of the situation.

1903

Do you understand why Rangers were punished? Obviously not if you're citing other clubs' cases.

26 Apr 2012 09:35:39
Once again our manager is on telling the press that this is not our fault but the fault of Craig Whyte.

How long will he persist with this "A babd boy done it then ran away" defence?

All of our troubles have been caused by the two men who held an 85% controlling interest in our great club.

All we should be doing is apologising, taking our deserved punishment on the chin and GETTING ON WITH IT?

Yeah ok Mate.......the site your looking for is "Celticrumours.co.uk"

Apologising for what? nothing to do with anyone at Rangers fc that Whyte was taking money from workers paye/vat and not handing it to taxman, Rangers football club certainly never benifted from this in any way shape or form.

Whyte also ran up over £40m of new debt in the space of 9 months, a totally shocking amount in such a short space of time.

Murray must take about 50% of the blame , but by the time he left we were up to date on paye/vat and had reduced our debt by 50% while winning 3 titles in a row, after 9 months of Whyte look at us now.

At long last a Rangers fan with some dignity, well done you have my utmost respect

26 Apr 2012 09:32:35
McCoist releases statement, but no apology for asking for identities of panel members even though he already knew them.

source: BBC

26 Apr 2012 09:25:59
Not a rant but starting a debate, understandably the headlines have been about the off field but should Ally still be in charge and is he the man to carry on next yr since his record in cups thus season is rubbish and throw away a huge lead( before administration)

Never thought Ally was going to make a good manager anyway. He was just 'Walter's Laddie' and that emotional bond that they have between them, almost like a father and soon, made it easier for Ally to eventually become manager after serving Walter's apprenticeship. He's proved he's a very poor manager and the whole administration saga has let him off the hook because he's a 'True Blue' you know!!

Yes he should be in charge.

Given his resources and problems off field who would have done a better job?

Would the lead have been thrown away if he had a decent squad and no Craig Whyte to contend with.

'we don't do walking away' unfortunately some like yourself clearly do, good time to go and support someone else.

Ally is a legend.

Ally was given the job without anyone else being considered which i thought was bonkers to start with. rarely does an assistant make a good manager. walter being an exception. i thought guys like derek mcinness and butcher should at least have been considered as they had the experience of being managers at other clubs and have done pretty well with limited resources, particuarly mcinness. imo a young manager like mcinness would have been a breath of fresh air at ibrox
in saying fhat the way things have went this season it was maybe best we didn't appoint an established manager as their reputations would have been in serious danger of being ruined.
Ideally if we come lut of this in any fit state i would personally love derek mcknness.
J1985

26 Apr 2012 08:59:55
watch wat ur sayin ed22 our u will be gettin threats also {Ed022's Note - Then people will be banned for life on all sites. Doesn't bother me in the slightest.}

Watch what he's saying?! Gies a break. Please. Easy to see how the Nazi party came to power , we will be burning books next. (Actually we will - a lot of wee red books and other footballing reference books when The titles go...)

26 Apr 2012 08:35:38
Disgusted to know that these men have been outed. This makes us look worse in every possible way, what support we had will surely no dissolve rapidly,they were given a job to do and knw their families are being dragged into this absolutely deplorable,we have to just move on and as for protests they should be directed at one man alone SDM,when are we gonna get it right he did this to our gr8 club nobody else.BLUNTRU72 disgusted bear LLRFC

Well said, mate.

1903

26 Apr 2012 07:49:33
McCoist said the transfer embargo was the final nail in the coffin, sorry but the idiots who have threatened SFA members have put the final nail in the coffin. We WILL be liquidated, what buyer wants to buy a club who constantly target people because 'they' think we have been hard done by. W

26 Apr 2012 07:32:18
The SFA panel has received threats after their Names were published online. Hope that makes Ally happy. Source BBC

What have you got against freedom of imformation this is great britain after all you cant surpress things because some idiots wont like it and if the sfa panel are not prepaired to be named they should resign {Ed022's Note - I'm pretty sure they didn't sign up for death threats.}

Fact is that secrecy and old firm are a toxic mixture, it only serves the existing paranoia from both sides. SFA knew that.

McCoist knew who was on the panel so what he said was stupid at best, dangerous at worst.

26 Apr 2012 01:51:21
SFA in breach of their own rules !
Someone inside that building needs to get a calendar! I recommend the 2011 one... Let's see where this one ends up? But I suppose they will make their own "law" as usual.
PaulRFC

26 Apr 2012 01:30:54
I'm hearing that the dates 07/06/11 and
06/05/11 , might have some significance,
Are the SFA really that f3cking stupid?
PaulRFC

Eh yes they are

JG

What have I missed?

bill72

26 Apr 2012 01:19:56
Very well done bears!

With your actions today you have managed to before it's even been heard, rendered your appeal against the sanctions placed on your team as pointless. A waste of time.

Tell me do you seriously see the SFA overturning they're original decision now after the threats. They couldn't possibly now.

I think it speaks volumes about the level of intelligence these creatures who committed these crimes have when u consider they weren't "wide" enough to wait for the appeal to be heard and decided before they went ahead.

I was convinced the embargo would have been overturned sufficed to say I'm not now.

The actions of a certain moronic pact of individuals threatening SFA panel members is not acceptable in any form. But we will not be lectured by hypocritcal dhims on our pages, get your own house in order before you blame our fans.

26 Apr 2012 01:10:43
Ed I don't agree with super saying what he said about the SFA panel etc , but i do understand, it must be impossible for him not to be taking this and everything else personally because of his love and history with our club , HIS club actually, should the questions not be asked of our media advisors, or whoever the f£ck advised him or maybe even instructed him before the interview, I take it questions and answers are known in advance of doing such an interview. Is there anything else left for us to do....? Any granny's to be robbed or churches to be burnt down? It really is getting insane..
PaulRFC {Ed001's Note - I can only assume that he got no advice, if he was advised to say that, well then the advisor has to be immediately dismissed from their position. It was an idiotic thing for him to say, it makes absolutely no sense.}

So now RFC just let their manager in the heat of passion do an interview an let him say what he wants ? Don't no why I'm surprised really !
PaulRFC