Rangers Banter Archive October 25 2016

25 Oct 2016 23:03:18
All this talk about changing managers has got to stop. We must all rally around the team we were 10 times worse of 4 years ago when they all tryed to destroy us, there is no easy fix as Fat boy Ashley controls the income. What we have to remember as with every managent team we have a package David Weir and McParland, so I dare say if he did go so would they come on for feck sake back the team!

25 Oct 2016 23:21:20
Surely if fans don't rate the manager they are entitled to say so. Doesn't mean they aren't proper Rangers fans or aren't behind the team.

26 Oct 2016 07:05:53
Warburton has to get the full season at least to turn it round, I'm not to happy with the way things are going either but we have to support the team and management team as well, this is a complete overhaul of the whole club it doesn't happen after 16 months, I know everyone has a right to their own opinion but take a step back and think about exactly where we are at this moment in time, it is what it is so c'mon let's give warburton a chance I know I will.

26 Oct 2016 07:35:03
I agree with Bongo. As much as we all want to challenge them a respectable league position has always surely been our goal for the season.

No one likes getting beat off them but we have to be realistic.

This team is far from being the finished article, we have brought in a load of free transfers again.

He took a gamble on Barton that didn't pay off, Niko was just coming on to a game before he was injured and Garner looks like he needs time to adjust.

As we are signing players that are lower league or developing we can't expect everyone to hit the ground running or to even be a success but I do think we have a good young team that will improve.

We need to build gradually within our means.

26 Oct 2016 08:27:41
I totally agree with bongo. Yes Biffo316,people are very much entitled to have an opinion on our manager, of course they have, but what gets me is i'll bet most of the warbs out campaigners, were the same ones not so very long ago that thought he was amazing and the best thing since sliced bread (pardon the pun) . All the sensible supporters and realistic supporters are saying is be patient and give the manager a half decent bit of time! For god's sake look at the state our full club was in and needs total rebuilding all the way from top to bottom. Into the bargain there isn't much money available to warbs. See it for what it is and where we are just now. At least back the manager until the end of the season and then assess the season and where we are. I 100% don't believe in binning warbs the now, what would that achieve, i'll tell you, upheaval and wouldn't change anything as there's no big pot of gold there. I like and rate our manager anyway and i'm certainly prepared to give the man time and see where it takes us. The position we're in and will be in for the foreseeable future, regarding having to bring through and scout good young footballers and developing them, then i truly think, we have without doubt, the best manager in place at ibrox for our specific needs! We can't just bin a manager and full project when you hit some problems along the way, which i trust warbs to iron out!

26 Oct 2016 08:43:49
I think it's ludicrous people waning rid of warbs.

26 Oct 2016 09:39:38
Of course I totally understand where your coming from regarding backing the manager however I genuinely think he isn't the right man to take us forward. TBH at the moment I'm not really sure where we do go from here as there is very little money and it's a cert that Rodgers will get further backing. It is all about trying to finish 2nd and I'm not sure if we will even do that.

26 Oct 2016 10:18:00
Biffo, we will finish 2nd, if it wasn't for a horrid refereeing display we would have beaten Aberdeen and been 2nd currently. 3 points off 2nd right now isn't bad at all.

26 Oct 2016 10:49:06
Tbh

I think it will be harder to finish above Hearts than Aberdeen.

26 Oct 2016 11:31:17
Agree with the OP that it's far too early to be talking of sacking Warbs but also agree that fans should freely be allowed to call for his head.

Isn't that what forums like this are all about?

26 Oct 2016 11:34:42
Biffo316,if you don't mind me asking mate did you think warbs was the man to take us forward several months ago? Some signings just take time to settle and undoubtedly like every other manager out there, some signings just don't work out for numerous reasons. Every signing is a gamble!

26 Oct 2016 13:39:59
Supercooper

I have maintained all along that I wasn't convinced with him and could only start to judge him once we reached the Premiership. So far it's been poor. I was surprised that he didn't try and sign players that had previously played in the Premiership and feel he has underestimated exactly what it is like to be a Rangers manager. I think his attitude towards the criticism he has received has only put more pressure on him and will only get worse the further Celtic get away from us. I agree all signings are a gamble however I feel he has not bought wisely in the summer and it's being shown now. Finally like you i'm astonished he hasn't given O Halloran a chance having paid nearly £500k for him.

26 Oct 2016 14:13:02
I was astonished we bought a player like moh, on a free transfer he would have been an ok signing but for 500k, daylight robbery.

25 Oct 2016 19:32:32
We can't accept everytime we play celtic its damage limitation and say were getting closer because it was only 1-0 . we need king tae spend in jan or its going tae be a long long season getting beat of them at every turn.

25 Oct 2016 20:03:27
Absoulutey sickens me that were whipping boys to celtic and scwabblling over 2nd 3rd or 4th is an achievement I mayby unrealisticlly thot we could challenge but I though we were going to spend money on buildin a good squad this summer as DK said we were going to spend so we could challenge celtic but even if we do spend 20m to catch up with celtic then they will spend again to push further infront our player recruitment wasnt great with what we had to spend especially getting players with known injury problems.

25 Oct 2016 20:16:54
Where we getting the money to spend in January? King isn't a sugar daddy like ibrahmovic. He's a business man who is trying to balance out the books and put the best playing squad together with little investment and season ticket money. i'm as frustrated as anyone about not competing with the tinks but I'd rather watch rangers get beat that cease to exist.

25 Oct 2016 20:34:16
I know we haven't got 20m to spend I just wish DK hadnt got my hopes up and said he would spend perhaps he under estimated what was needed after we beat them last year who knows but hey he said we'll spend in january so we should be fine then we can celebrate finishing 2nd. effing joke.

25 Oct 2016 20:48:48
Again yogi bear.

25 Oct 2016 22:35:06
"I'd rather watch rangers get beat that cease to exist. " - Yogi bear

You seem to have a short memory, 2012 wasn't that long ago.

The problem at The Rangers has been player recruitment. It's clear to see that the system they played last year puts huge demand on the CBs and the Hill&Senderos are not suited to this role, as well as the other two.

You try to play a high pressing game and as a result the whole team need to press high, but with these CBs they're going to sit deep and create big holes for players such as Sinclair rogic etc to have a field day.

25 Oct 2016 18:29:27
Why is everyone making an issue about changing the captain as if it will improve the squad just because wallace has the arm band doesn't mean that players are going to under perform its only in britain that the captaincy is seemed as important when in reality in modern day football it means nothing on the pitch european sides/ managers give no relavance tonthe arm band.

25 Oct 2016 19:09:39
I always worried about Wallace as a captain, he's not a leader. Would it make any difference changing Captain though? Very doubtful. The main issue is that he isn't up to the job of LB either! He seems to have lost any pace, confidence and focus he had before this season!

25 Oct 2016 19:56:48
Certainly needs to rediscover his form may that be benched or a knew link up partner at LW but regarding the captaincy don't think it matters who has it certainly not this day and age.

25 Oct 2016 21:23:53
Guys on slagging King of for not getting money out?
If it wasn't for him and bears our club would be out of business and I don't see any money men coming in soon🤔🤔.

25 Oct 2016 23:07:41
I fundamentally disagree with the view that who is captain doesn't matter. That is only the case when you have a team of leaders like we had under Souness and Smith, and even then it could be argued that we had exceptional leaders as we had with Butcher and Gough.

At the present time we desperately need a leader on the park. We need someone that can lead by example, that gives that extra 10% and presses those around him to do the same. We saw it with Brown, (sadly), when it was nil, nil. He was driving forward and getting stuck in, Wallace on the other hand was like the invisible man. He deserves respect for staying with the club when others left but that does not make him a leader and perhaps the additional weight on his shoulders is adversely affecting his game. I say this because he is struggling defensively at present although the fact that he has McKay in front of him certainly does not help since he doesn't even track back effectively.

25 Oct 2016 23:09:56
Lately, King should have kept his mouth shut if he had no intention of investing proper funds to put a decent team on the park. He gave the support false hope with his Murrayesque comments and there is nothing worse than unfulfilled promises. He would have been better off keeping his mouth shut, at least until he saw where the current squad were heading.

25 Oct 2016 16:47:57
If it were anyone else other than the other side that beat us 1-0 in a League Cup SF there'd be no where near the hysterics that are going on now.

Had we got Aberdeen in the SF and been outplayed like we were against Celtic and beaten 1-0 there'd be no where near the reaction there is now.

If we were outplayed by the team that finished second last season then there is reason to worry but we weren't. We outplayed them at Pittodrie and lost to a criminal free kick decision.

Celtic have had time to build on the squad they had when we were demoted, whilst playing in Europe. We've had time to build from nothing in the Scottish lower leagues. Warburton is a breath of fresh air. Let's not pollute that air by bringing in McLeish or McCiness or any of the other saviors that are being mentioned.

25 Oct 2016 17:33:28
Think there would have been.

25 Oct 2016 17:40:36
I agree, yes big eck and sir walter are/ were quality, but just remember they had money to spend on players, if you gave warbs the same kind of funding they both had i guaruntee we would have some team right now, players with ability etc to fit in with the playing style, i just wish king would even just hand over some decent money, and no i don't want debt etc but some kind of some that gives warbs a bit of choice in who he can sign.

25 Oct 2016 17:51:27
Can you explain exactly what Warburton has done?

25 Oct 2016 17:30:17
If we played like we did at pittodrie i'd be a happy bear but we didn't we couldn't string two passes together and we were dying on our feet from 50 min mark! i'm not overreacting and calling for heads to roll but the points that I made are the most basic of footballing attributes and warburton has to address this, the buck stops with him! Maybe he has to look at his coaches as we seem to be well of the pace and were still struggling with constant injury problems!

25 Oct 2016 18:59:19
Daz, he's wasted millions this year, we've spent almost as much on transfer fees as celtic this summer that's a fact mate! And thorn a breath of fresh air how did u work that out were terrible to watch this season there's been no improvement this year if u think there has been can u explain your reasoning?

25 Oct 2016 19:04:02
I wouldn't trust Warburton with a transfer war chest as his big signings have been poor.

25 Oct 2016 20:14:28
See out of all warburton's big signings as you put it not working out 'thus far', when we signed these players the majority of supporters on here were raving about them and really happy we had signed them. Hindsight is a wonderful thing and any transfer in any football walk of life is a gamble. Manager's all over get signings right and signings wrong, 'FACT'!

25 Oct 2016 20:37:25
Some people were raving about them but just because the majority rated them, does not make the majority correct. This is known as argumentum ad populum.

Anyway, at the time we signed Garner, I pointed out that his goal scoring record was terrible in the Championship and for that reason I was not that excited about him.

With regards MOH I knew he was a terrible footballer and not suited to Rangers style of play. He has poor ball retention, poor passing, mediocre finishing and poor control. The only attribute he has that I like is pace but this is not enough for me.

25 Oct 2016 22:49:47
I have said that I felt it was a mistake not to sign players with Scottish Premiership experience. I thought it was a no brainier to get players in who had played in the league. Players like Stewart, Hemmings and Murray Davidson should have been signed instead of the Garners and the injury prone Rossiter. Stewart and Hemmings would have cost less than Garner and we would have gotten to proven Premiership players. Also thought it was a mistake not to try and get a goal scorer instead he has 4 strikers who don't score a lot of goals.

26 Oct 2016 06:42:18
We went down that road with guys like daly, black, sandaza, law, templeton etc and they were all hopeless.

26 Oct 2016 08:49:27
Bluedie

Daly and Black were done when we bought them. Sandals and Law weren't players that did that well in the Premiership and Templeton was injury prone. Are you seriously telling me that they were all better players than Stewart, Hemings and Davidson? These are all players who excelled in the top league.

26 Oct 2016 14:27:22
Biffo, dean sheils was shortlisted for player of the year before he came to us and sandaza was scoring goals at st Johnstone. haven't heard much abt hemmings and stewart since they left and anyways playing for a provincional club then coming to Ibrox is to big a jump for some spl players and hemmings was here before and was hopeless.

26 Oct 2016 14:30:17
U say black and daly were done? Black was a scottish cup winner and daly was a ball hair away from a hat trick against that mob in the semis of the scottish cup and temp had just scored at anfield so they wer hardly finished mate just not good enuf to make the transition to a massive club.

25 Oct 2016 10:29:34
I'm confused as to why Warbs is being slated here. It isn't his job to create chances and put them in the net! For months loads of you were criticizing Wilson and Kiernan and all of the other CB's we have. But the fact of the matter is it is our attack that is completely toothless/ predictable and unable to compete against a half decent defense. Waggie/ Garner/ McKay have been crap. Miller is probably the only exception I can offer and even he needs 5 chances to score a single goal. Dodoo and O'hall need to be given a chance.

25 Oct 2016 13:19:31
Why are you confused? Why shouldn't he be slated?

He is the one that picks the players and wasted £1.8 mil on Garner when better was available
He is the one that sticks by certain players when they are hopeless week in and week out.
You state that some are crap and that others are not getting a chance?

So hat is confusing you?

25 Oct 2016 13:59:37
I THINK ITS UNFAIR TO SAY WE NEED A NEW MANAGER.
we have to be realistic as to where we are the now as a club and realise that as long as we keep improving which we where doing until that old firm game then that is progress.

yes he frustrates me at times aswell and I would do things differently but we must stick by him as his task is a thankless one as most rangers fans think we should bu up there with celtic right away.

as long as we keep getting better this season against the other teams in Scotland and finish second then that is a successful first year back.

remember there is a long way to go and if you though we should be where they are at then u are truly dillusional.

25 Oct 2016 15:24:37
I totally agree James. Let's all calm down and not call for knee jerk reactions.
Yes we have been beaten twice by that lot, yes we were outplayed but we are progressing. They r a fully developed team that have been playing at a higher level than us for 4 years and have invested significantly more than us on their squad.
We have been very unlucky with injuries, Rossiter, Windass, Wilson have hardly kicked a ball for us and from what I've seen of them they would all be guaranteed starters. Niko gets injured just as he looks like he's getting closer to being the player we were all excited about signing in the summer.
Recruitment wasn't right in the summer I'll agree, the 2 players we've paid money for MOH and more significantly Garner have added nothing to the squad and the solid CB we required turned into 2 well past their best old pros and Barton was the gamble that backfired.
Patience is what's required lads, I still have faith in MW, there will always be bumps in the road but we are Glasgow Rangers.

25 Oct 2016 16:07:43
it's hard to score when your striker is further back than your midfielders half the game.

25 Oct 2016 17:32:47
Warburton deserves a chance but do agree he maybe has to change his tactics🤔 Get the impression he is stubborn to this😭😭🇬🇧.

25 Oct 2016 18:59:49
Garner hasn't had a chance yet get off his back!

25 Oct 2016 19:06:20
The only things we are progressing towards is mediocrity and a massive debt.

25 Oct 2016 10:13:59
So Sean Dyche would welcome JB back at Burnley apparently! Well when are you going JB?

As for the game on Sunday, we did what we could do! They played to the best that they could n it showed some of our players that they are well n truly sussed.

I never thought we could walk back into this league n stroll about owning the pitch but i thought our team was going to be so much stronger than last year. WOW was that a mistake, but tbf on paper it does look like that but this ain't Champ Manager. I will be honest n lay my cards on the table n say if we finish between 4th n 7th I would be ok with that, but not happy as i want to finish #1. In ALL fairness bears we are well off the pace n we need either to stick by MW n fund him properly, as I don't think he has been in all honesty. Or if we don't then we start again but if we do it's not going to be pretty, or take 5 mins to do either.

25 Oct 2016 12:39:26
I don't see how you could be happy with finishing between 4th and 7th. Only the most deluded of fans believed we could win the league in our first year back but saying you'd be happy finishing 7th when we have the second highest budget/ wage bill in Scotland by quite a bit is absolutely ludicrous.

25 Oct 2016 13:34:38
I agree rutherglenbear, although i always said on here that we have to be patient and can't realistically expect rangers to win the premiership this season or quite probably even next, i will say its being very realistic and reasonable to EXPECT us to finish in the top 3 all things considering. To sum up my expectation of rangers in the league this season would be definitely in the top 3,no worse should we expect imo!

25 Oct 2016 14:08:46
I don't want rid of our manager but we should still finish second as selik game doesn't tell us where we are in the league its the other games that do and we have had a bad start. but we have been getting better and think we will finish strong #.