Rangers Banter Archive May 25 2012

 

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25 May 2012 23:07:51
Alarm bells time,
Dnp taking sfa to court,
Sfa will have no choice to use punishment available by revoking license and be booted out the spl sfl once n for all,
It was a favour transfer embargo blind leading the blind,
More dirt more counter attacks from dnp,
A)legal dealings with whytes lawyers flaud,
B)take sfa to court,
Like we boys he hit me no he hit me,
They find a answer for everything,
Wages due again was dodgy,
Cva monday then lose ebt,
Where green?,

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This has nothing to do with D&P trying to deflect anything and everything to do with the fact that a ban on signing players could kill Rangers.

Legacy contracts mean Rangers could lose every single player on our books this summer and not be able to sign anyone to replace them.

Do you just expect Rangers to sit back and take that no questions asked?

Rangers have obviously been advised that the ban could well be overturned in a court by legal experts, if not an interdict will be served which will allow Rangers to sign players in the short term while the case goes to court later in the year.

Rangers refusal not to just roll over and die is really getting to some people.

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As opposed to having players on your books that you cant afford or have even paid for. Rangers should take this on the chin cant you see the SFA went softly on you ,the other option was removing your registration(how would you sign players then?) get real Duffer and phelps have just put the final nail in the coffin. See FC SIon for an explanation of what happens next

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25 May 2012 22:13:40
I am a Tim, but bare (Bear) with me.
It seems to me, Rangers don't need any enemies because there are certain factions within that are going to bring you down without any help from outside.
Having been found guilty of 5 breaches of rules, instead of accepting this, the administrators are now embarking on a case against the SFA thus breaching a sixth rule, which will end up with yet another sanction.
Given the levels of sanctions so far, we are getting pretty close to suspension from the league. And that is without the second contract issue being decided.
Is there no one working in/for Rangers at the moment who understands the rules and can guide / advise the administrators against a suicidal course?
Most of my pals are Rangers supporters and I don't want to see you get liquidated. But certain people from within, the administrators and the WATP brigade, are not helping your cause.

Good luck, Good Bears.

Gerry

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Couldn't agree more Gerry,regarding your post, and thanks for the good wishes mate,as i believe they are genuine.
P.O.B.

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Rangers still have many inflential friends to help them out.One on tv tonight but he thinks Rangers have suffered enough.You have to laugh.No one is willing to say the club was in the wrong or take the punishment.

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Another Tim here who totally agrees with
Gerry. These men at the centre do not
seem to be doing their best to sort out this mess.

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Thanks for the good wishes but yeah, I agree, we have been sold down the river .

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The simple answer is no mate, the people who are supposed to be top of the game proffesionals seem to want us to die and do it in a way that nobody has any choice but to kick us out, i will include some supporters groups in this who infact are just killing us and making us normal reasonable fans look like total mugs.
As above cheers mate for the wishes a have a few celtic mates who think the same , but just getting fed up with this going on.
craig+babybear

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Id of taken another 10pts hit rather than the transfer ban. Even more to be honest.(25pts?) The transfer ban will cripple us, I suppose thats the aim for some with the end game the death of Rangers. A large points deduction (even to the point of relegation) would of been fair. Im sure Juve didnt have a transfer ban. (they were docked something like 90pts lol) CheltBlue

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@6 Good to hear a Rangers fan with a constructive post about punishment.
I don't know what would have been a suitable punishment and I don't claim to know the thought process of those who made the decision, but I can see the logic. All of the charges against rangers could be broken down to be about the players. the business of the club is to play football and therefore the players are the important asset of the club. Rangers, during the period for which the punishment dealt, had on their books and on the pitch players who they would not have been able to afford if they had not witheld money from HMRC, other clubs and other businesses. Had Rangers not witheld these monies they would not have been able to pay these players.
Al

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@7 had cw paid all monies owed to hmrc etc when due admin would have come sooner and this mess would have been sorted out . it is all part of his plan to screw as many for as much as possible.volentary admin only came when hmrc threatened to force it through

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25 May 2012 21:15:43
REMEMBER SION
On 15 December, CAS upheld the complaints by UEFA, affirming its right to discipline Sion according to previous agreements. CAS also lifted the provisional measures ordered by the Tribunal Cantonal of Vaud (Cour civile) on 5 October 2011. After the ruling, FIFA threatened to suspend Swiss national and club teams from international competition if FC Sion were not appropriately penalized for its ostensible rules violations. In late December 2011, the Swiss Football Association complied with FIFA's demands and penalized Sion 36 standings points, moving the club to last place in the league standings and putting the club at risk of relegation if the ruling stands.
FC Sion finished last in the Swiss league and would have been relegated, but for the Swiss Football League stripping Neuchatel Xamax of their license and expelled them from the Super League after they were suspected of falsifying a bank document produced as a financial guarantee last year.

D&P are adding fuel to the fire by this action.....

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So now all we need to get is a falsified bank document produced as a guarantee. With our connections that should be a dawdle.

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@1 im surprised mr daly hasnt had a secret meeting in london and SEEN one already

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25 May 2012 21:01:56
Evening desperate wounded bears,just read a fiiting blog about 2 anniversaries,1 about rfc yesterday being 40years lifting the Cup Winners Cup&CFC 45years today lifting the BIG CUP!!When rfc won they had too have the team photo of winning the cup held by john grieg taken in a room not in front of the fans,due too a pitch invasion 6minutes before the end,then again at full time fighting with policemen!The ibrox club remain the only club ever to win a european trophy but not allowed to defend it!!!Murray chased the european dream& ruined rfc in the process& hence todays reason the ibrox club is on its knees,Big Billy lifting the BIG CUP will live forever in in celtic folklore,as will celtic live forever,pity rfc are about to die due to corrupt individuals that have bled them dry!!stevo

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The Devil of inaccuracy rides again.
Just for you stevo.
The Rangers fans in Barcelona did not
"Invade" the pitch (in the true sense of the word)and it was not six minutes from the end. The fans thought the final whistle had been blown,and ran onto the pitch to celebrate.The Spanish police were over zealous in their reaction,and waded into the fans with their batons. Several fans were seriously injured,and emotions were running high.
I remember similar protests from Celtic fans not too long ago,about over zealous foreign police tactics. Remember the guy in the Celtic top plastered all over the front pages,with blood streaming from his head?
If you can't suppress your urge to post anything and everything anti RFC, at least try and be reasonable and accurate,during your bouts of irate gibberishness.
P.O.B.

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Well said on the reply to bigot #1...i watched that game in lisbon as a 14 year old and was doin cartwheels for scottish fitba...if only i had known what kinda people supported that lot back then...5 games to win the cup or maybe 6 at a stretch...JOKE....lennon thinx he can win it again playin 16 games...hahah...deecee

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2# Are you forgetting your back door entry into europe for your cup winners cup victory?

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When did Lennon say he could win the CL? Again with Lennon,your hatred to this man is never far away

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But of course, all those trophies Real and Inter and Man United won, all nonsense. Just a couple of games hey, no biggie.
You're a clown deecee. So when did it become reasonable to win a European Cup? After Rangers won it? Oh.... Right you are.

GoldCoastBhoy

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So decay you became a bigot at 14 when you found out what kind of people supported Celtic is that the average age for you to become a bigot from the darkside? SHAME on you....that's why I want guys like you to suffer through all this because your a total clown with some of your stupid postsit's the decent rangers fans I feel for and there is a few on here but your a sad individual. Briggs

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25 May 2012 20:53:03
Totally agree with point made, I thought money would be used to pay small creditors who's livelihood could be affected by our debts! Surely that's more important (and I contributed so am entitled to my say, as we all are)

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25 May 2012 20:25:47
come in peace im a celtic supporter and IMO its about time you rangers supporters were making a stand against duff & phelps they are taking the p***

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Pft, they've chucked it pal! No fight left in them......the silence is deafening!

It's like a re-run of 'Silence of the Bams"...........or was it Lambs?

Aw, the poor wee lambs! lol

Miko x

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25 May 2012 20:10:51
Celtic fan in peace and seriously concerned
about this. Question to all
Why is duff an duffer gettin involved in a football
matter?(Appeal of embargo) I thought their sole intention
as administrators was to look after the
creditors. In what way are they doin this?
Respectful answers please. Also as a
sidenote why not use rff to oust them
instead of payin lawyers save money
in long run if u ask me,
Rayman

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At their many press conferences has the question ever been put to them as to how they are working in the creditors' interest. I can not recall one. All I hear is they are doing it for the good of Rangers Football Club and that is most certainly not the same thing.

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25 May 2012 19:38:35
Rangers administrators have announced a second preferred bidder for the club.

The Greek Government. lol

Miko x

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At least the flag is blue and white.

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25 May 2012 19:37:48
There was a young man called Whyte.

Who pretended he was Ranger's white knight.

He had lots to invest.. He was Simply the Best.

But sadly he was talking pure sh*te!

PMSL


Miko x

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25 May 2012 19:21:36
This is just turning into a total disgrace and total joke now ,firstly new grass on the two parks and now back to court,this is just a total farce and a laughing stock now as this money was for the small creditors or so we were told,Sandy Jardine has just appeared out the cupboard also,this needs fixed now or i will never be back, total disgrace.

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For the life of me i cant understand why they are doing this with fans contributions.It's not right.

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The only thing that is a total joke and a total disgrace is your post. If you are in fact a Rangers fan then we don't need the likes of you back at Ibrox. Have you put anything into the RFFF? I know I have and I'm happy with how it is being used.

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Well you may be happy to buy grass seed, think you might be harvesting that at present. Get real I am disgusted that nobody thinks in our current state that money should be spent on weed killer. I have donated on six occasions and it is a bloody disgrace, as are you.

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@2..That is not what you were told your money was to be used for!! Which is the point the OP was making...it's fans like you that don't question what's going on that should never return. This decision by D&P will result in RFC being expelled by the SFA or the SFA will be hit with a worldwide ban from FIFA...
All the money you spent on wee flags and scarfs and donated out of the goodness of your heart is now lining the pockets of some lawyers on a pointless civil case!

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@3 & 4 I can assure you I am not a bloody disgrace we are all entitled to our opinions like it or not. None of us were told 'personally' how the money would be spent when we donated. And banging on about it on an internet forum is hardly 'doing something about it' now is it!

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@5 you were told the money was for the running costs of the club....no one mentioned pointless, expensive court cases which ultimately, will hurt your club more!

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Isnt WS looking after this money ....

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25 May 2012 18:56:57
Who thinks that at the end of this saga that the D&P final bill will come to £21M - £3M for them and the other £18 mysteriously going to CW to pay off his Ticketus deal?

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25 May 2012 18:31:20
Celtic have admitted to having an EBT . It was 45 years ago today : Europes Best Team : God bless the Lions of Lisbon..25/5/67.........DH Johnny G

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Europes Biggest Trophy!

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Omg and some people moan about the English going on about 1966 all the time jeez oh .

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2# Are you not in the midst of celebrations over your Cup Winners Cup win? Which in comparison is small fry.

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25 May 2012 16:44:17
Do any gers fans out there have a worry regarding this new appeal?Are Duff & Phelps using this as the smokescreen to close rangers down?Rangers are appealing a transfer embargo on the grounds that the punishment was not legislated.The only problem is the SFA were lenient considering they could have expelled them from the association.The facts would seem to be the SFA now expel rangers or UEFA will ban the national team from all competitions.Why would D&P take this action,and the fact they are using rfff funds to do it is madness.Make no mistake,this could be the end of rangers in it,s current form.

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Lucky not to be expelled in the first place.Some of us don't know when we got off lightly.Take the medicine and start afresh.Everyone would think the better of us.It only alienates the few friends we have left.

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Lovely to see former SFA Chief Executive on t.v. tonight pleading for his old team.With all his 'influence' it's good to see he still cares.

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I thought these guys were supposed to be on the ball? Any appeal will raise it to EUFA level then its game over. Verdict was to give RFC a chance. Yes there was no mandate for the punishment so do dumb and dumber want the alternaative which was in place. Jeez, they mut now be seen to be detriment to the club

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You know it's a shambles when Smith appears.No one knew his job when rangers employed him ffs!.

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What an absolute ridiculous post the maximum they could hand rangers was a £100k +vat If ypu went to court for a parking offense you wouldn't get a life time ban you might get maimuim the law stated not something the judge made up {Ed014's Note - The fine could have been £100,000 per charge totalling £500,000 and they had the power to expel the club.The embargo is actually lenient if you look at the worst case scenario.

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5# with any luck you will believe ED? Could have been much worse,but you are heading there now

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25 May 2012 16:41:22
from the other side .......
Ed correct me if i am wrong... but is this not a complete and utter balls up by Rangers?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-18211947

www.celticquicknews.co.uk/?p=9291

Surley now UEFA or FIFA have to get involved? they are not allowed to appeal this in this fasion are they not?

Could this be yet another major major blunder from Duff and Duffer ?

Evinguu {Ed007's Note - During the whole Sion saga I went into details about UEFA's stance on anyone challenging football authorities through legal means, that in itself breaks UEFA/FIFA statutes. I said on here last week I wouldn't have advised Rangers to go down this route, it could get very messy now. UEFA ALWAYS win, ever since the Bosman case. To put it simply (not meaning you are simple mate lol), it's their ball, play by their rules or else.}

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Well ed maybe its time the whole shambolic lot were taken to task make rules, a set of rules, everybody learns said rules and if the they break said rules they are punished within the rules and not by an independent panel making it up as they go along, if this means expulsion for a member club then so be it. anyone who is representing rangers at this time must make sure no injustices should be carried out against them,because the more you accept kicks without fighting back the more the kicks will continue until you cant stand up . {Ed014's Note - Ed007 can't answer posts on here.I think some Gers fans would get upset if he was allowed to edit on here,just a hunch.

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When the rules were drawn up,and agreed by all the SPL clubs (including Rangers) it must have been assumed that they were dealing with "reasonable" i.e. conceivably understandable situations. The representatives of 11 of the clubs did not know that they had the equivalent of a conniving deceiptful power mad thug in their midst. They imagined that there was a semblance of integrity and were legislating for minor misdemeanours. If it was a local sheriff court they could have referred this up to the High Court - but they did not have such a luxury. They had to deal with it themselves but now they know Rangers for what they are and are having to draw up their schedule of penalties accordingly. If I was a Rangers supporter I would be bl**dy ashamed and sit quiet instead of running around threatening. But then,that is what Rangers are good at.

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25 May 2012 16:20:31
Serious question here, where does an appeal to the court of session leave us?
If the ban is overturned, then does the original case go back to be heard? If the appeal point is on the fact that the sanction was not available, but they could have suspended or expelled then when/if it is taken back for a new sanction does this not certainly mean suspension or expulsion?
Are we also now the Swiss FA with Rangers being Sion?
This is all an unmitigated shambles and as a Tim i'm really not enjoying it.
Being mocked for being a Scottish football fan is downright depressing.

Nevis

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25 May 2012 16:17:42
with duff n phelps now challenging the transfer embargo against the club,dont you think they should be more concerned about rangers paying off their creditors rather than spending money and wages on players....is this being done after the bbc documentary portrayed d n p in a bad light?

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Trying to use up remaining funds is what I see. This could affect the International team. Does RFC need to be tarred with that as well?

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You do have to wonder at the actions of Duff & Phellps. Do they ever read the papers and realise what a shockingly incompetent bunch they are seen to be? Whoever advises them or pulls their strings should be sacked now.

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25 May 2012 16:27:51
Seriously bears how can David Murray justify keeping his knighthood? He took £6.4m out of the club for his own pocket and stiffed the British people for £45m and interest, which is growing daily unpaid. Enough is enough. We can actually take simple action here by emailing our MPs or contacting the House of Commons honours and awards committee. Simples.

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Completely agree. Every MP must be made aware of what Sir David Murray and Rangers have been up to. Why not take out full page adverts in the Sun and the Times to let everyone know? Don't let the grass grow under your feet.

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25 May 2012 15:57:45
rangers should be thrown out of premier league absolute disgusting way to run a club and i feel sorry for gers fans who week in week out follow them
rangers be put into third division to start again
this crap saying the premier would suffer
without them is utter crap rangers
weren't bothered when them and celtic were wanting to join english premier

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Your post does not empathise to any extent mate. Who are you trying to kid?
P.O.B.

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25 May 2012 14:09:12
as you are all so rightly saying in so many posts that the use of EBTS are and were legal during the time rangers were using them ...and now up in arms at celtic who used one (1) for one player ..however the fact you are missing is that the ebt's you used were for tax evasion purposes and tax was never paid and still hasn't been paid however as soon as celtic were made aware that there could be a problem they rectified it immediately and paid all tax and monies due to all and sundrie..you have still to pay these taxes and are still defending the use ofd them...mistakes can be made and are frequently but it is how they are handled when it is highlited a mistake was made..celtic stopped the ebt and paid all monies owed ..Rangers carried on usin g EBT.s and still fighting over paying m onies owed...JohnnyG

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It is a fact that a great many powerful people belive "only little people pay taxes".

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25 May 2012 13:19:36
In the Record today . Marvin bloody Andrews ! Preaching to us all that a " man of God " would not be party to any tax scam ! "I have the payslips tp prove it " Problem is Marvin, you DID NOT DENY you got an EBT . IE £ 316,025 ! Tut tut , I don`t think a man of god should be telling porkies, Marvin. You will end up in the big bad fire. But don`t worry , you will be in good company !

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25 May 2012 13:16:51
I keep hoping to turn on the news to hear that the police have arrested one of these anal orafices in connection with fraud of some sort,but alas nowt !!

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Trouble is they always seem to have a team of lawyers to prevent this, but here's hoping.

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25 May 2012 12:15:09
Honestly, what a shower of crooks and this smacks of outright fraud. (Al Capone got sent to Alcatraz) DR - THE club Craig Whyte targeted as a breeding ground for new Rangers talent have suffered a walkout of their entire first-team squad.

Mickey Mouse? Banstead Athletic boss Dave Tidy has quit in disgust and canno longer afford to take his boy to Disneyworld after dipping into his holiday fund to pay players from hisown pocket.

Best pal Graeme Banyard walks down the aisle in three weeks and still hasn’t told his wife-to-be about raiding cash from their wedding pot in a vain bid to keep the squad together.

So much for the club that was supposed to be responsible for developing the new Steven Naismith, Steven Whittaker and Allan McGregor.

Meanwhile, the whereabouts of the £250,000 forwarded to Banstead Athletic last August, from the Rangers account at Collyer Bristow, remains as much a mystery as the minnow outfit’s starting 11 next season in the Combined Counties championship in Surrey.

Record Sport has been forwarded a letter to Banstead from Taylor Wessing, lawyers to Rangers’ administrators Duff and Phelps, dated April 11, 2012.

It states that £250,000 was paid on August 24 last year and asks Banstead to confirm they received the sum and on which basis it was made.

Chairman Terry Molloy said: “I’ve replied to them and told them we’ve not seen the money and can be of no further use to them.”

There has to be some law that has been broken to allow the club to jail this guy and his cohorts

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IF the police dont think that there are charges to answer then there must havebeen nothing illegal commited,so why are we going through all this misery,,no i dont believe it either,,come on please mr plod get off your backsides and investigate these people,,we the HONEST AND PROUD fans are the ones who are really suffering through all of this and we HAVE paid our way up front for years and years,,make these absolute scoundrals pay PLEASE

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Civil law and criminal law are two seperate things. The police may be powerless to act if its civil law that has been breached.

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25 May 2012 11:59:40
We have had the wounded(nearly extinct bears) denying,deflecting for many a month,now duff&duffer are from the same moud..Ahhhh that old chestnut of sueing the bbc!laughable&hot air pr spin,now spouting pi$h about cva monday,dragging it on &on till liquidation,funny how have read the bbc reported re hashed pi$h according to deluded bears,how & were was the grier& players on the take ever been published before?????the only person not to have been fu**ed over by murray was joana lumley!!!the comedy gold will roll on for other few weeks,weres Mr Green??all gone quiet from the so called saviour!!!stevo

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Liquidate us now will that shut u up Stevo? U are the most pathetic football fan ever have i read on this page or any for that matter u are a complete spoon burner and u really need to get a life while u laugh at our demise we laugh at ur obsession u sad lonely little man!

Larky Bear

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Just ignore stevo his hatred of all things Rangers is plain to see his vile posts do not reflect the feelings of the majority of celtic fans he is a member of a small minority of morons that support celtic not unlike our very own bigoted a55holes who still try to get their sectarian views over in songs. this guy stevo would want rangers liquidated if Ally McCoist forgot to pay a parking fine.

message to stevo we refuse to hate you m8 but we will pity you as anyone who can take such pleasure out of other peoples pain is certainly a sad and lonely individual.

Lochaber Bear

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Stevo, you've made more predictions than Nostradamus.

Das Shadow

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Aye, and got more wrong as well.
Sad thing is he actually thinks his posts are a wind up ala Rusty etc.
Only thing that get's wound up is him,then his bitterness and bile erupts. Laughable.
P.O.B.

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Weres the bitterness & bile???been telling the deluded liquidation is the only way!!pity??away&play with yer flute!;pleasure in others misery,see Mr Mcoists view on that when celtic were a day away from death!!vile??get a grip!!the truth hurts eh!!obsession?thats what rfc had trying too emulate us winning the european cup!!!@2..You say I'M a small minority?You will find theres a VAST majority of not ony celtic fans but a growing majority who do not want any newco as rfc are finished& the newco will carry the old clubs shame forever!!!!!!stevo

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Have to agree with Stevo that the vast majority of neutral fans and non football fans who are sick of being embarrassed by Rangers want the end of the organisation. Go to Edinburgh Evening News site. More anti Rangers feeling expressed by non Celtic than pro Celtic fans. The latter may understand the attractions of bigotry.

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25 May 2012 11:20:03
Ed, it looks inevitable the SFA / SPL will eventually get round to punish Rangers for the double contracts highlighted in this weeks BBC documentary, I would like clarification on UEFAs stance on double contracts, could there be further investigations from UEFA if Rangers players played in European competitions on double contracts. {Ed001's Note - they will leave it for the SFA/SPL to deal with, they only get involved if they have to.}

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They may have to then ED, as Regan,Doncaster and most importantly Rangers own Ogilvy dont want to act,these people are paid to police out game if they are to scared to do it get them out. The BBC have all the facts proving double contracts and they the SFA and SPL are still looking into it?

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Did? the bbc spin actually say/prove there were double contracts ?

bil72

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@ bil72

yes bill the bbc said they have SEEN proof that there where double contracts but what i find interesting was they never showed this proof. they where quick to show the emails from duff and phelps and copy's of meeting minutes etc but not any proof of these contracts.

This has led me to believe that they may have in their own words "seen this proof" but i dont think they have it. if they do have it i think it may have been illegally required and their lawyers have banned them from using it.

just an opinion

Lochaber Bear

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True, and anybody can pretentious to talk to someone on the phone, but in the past what the bbc have said about the rangers situation and cw in particular seems to have been true. Very worrying

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The DOUBLE CONTRACTS are now being described as side letters.are they contracts or letters,thers a huge difference in signing a letter to signing a contract.wonder why mr daly never interviewed mr thomsons star WITNESS with his redacted contract or was it just a letter? {Ed014's Note - It is just the wording of it.If a letter or another contract stating the method of payment is different from the contract lodged at the sfa the end results are the same.

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@5 ed a letter of intent do anything does not represent a contract many journalists have now gone from talking about dual contracts to side letters,why.harry rednapp had letters from milan maderic that were deemed not to contractual {Ed014's Note - What was the outcome of Redknapps trial for illegally using EBTs?

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25 May 2012 10:56:24
First of all why are you in denial. C'mon as a company you f***ed up big time and have been exposed twice by the beeb in terms of Craig Whyte being a risk due to his previous business dealings this added to the elephant in the room of hidden reckless spending, high risk building up thousands of pounds worth of debt which has been growing for years when DM stepped down it was already being supported by a fanbase who are innocent i will give them that its not your fault that theres been years of hiding stuff in cupboards and under the bed of toxic debt add this too missed opportunitys to do things right but the country is screwed debt wise HMRCs not a boogeyman it raises tax from everyone including whats that Rangers fans and the rest of us. PAY UP you will help the country anyone else realising this. you cannot fly cloe to the sun without getting burnt its been dodgy you have been caught with your hands in the cookie jar. If Rangers fail which i think is being driven to extinction it looks a bit fishy tbh but everyones going to take the flack, when the persecution and oh poor me starts i hope they fans and company if your that good prove it i know itl be hard but imagine everyones support as you make a safe untainted streak of wins within the confines of the your newco with a clean slate. Remember the Ocean Finance adverts your home may be at risk if you fo not keep up with repayments your home may be at risk well your club was at risk never sorted it at an early point. If Scottish Football was the same as it may 15 years ago before it became stupid money

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25 May 2012 10:09:00
This whole situation makes me sick.It does not surprise me that this whole situation is shambolic it is a follow on from how our club has been run.Who is going to step up to the plate and take control .?Mo People have milked this club dry shame on them all what a legacy to leave behind. GUTTED

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25 May 2012 09:54:00
The bitterness and jealousy that most Celtic fan have for Rangers is pathetic. Demanding that titles like 2005 be stripped from Rangers when we had players like Alex rae, Marvin andrews, stevie smith and Nacho novo in our team and Celtic had Bellamy,Sutton,Petrov is laughable.

Yeah it was Ebts fault that Celtic bottled it at Motherwell that day.

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Being a bit economical with your rangers players there eh?

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No but it was EBTS that allowed Rangers to field a team of players they couldnt afford thus racking up points they may not have got.

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Yes I would have to agree with naming only the gers players thats suits the poster,either way it dont matter as you could not even afford the ones you named,deflect all you want cheating on a grand scale ,if the SFA spl had any balls they would have acted by now

Dannybhoy

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Good to see you posted players who where the first names on the team-sheet.....stay oot the sun buddy.

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How does an ebt mean that rangers couldnt afford to pay these players? correct me if im wrong but didnt the players still recieve wages only they didnt need to pay tax on them

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@5: yes, Rangers avoided paying the tax on parts of the wages so could use those savings elsewhere. Or could afford to pay for players they wouldn't otherwise have been able to.

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My understanding was that RFC paid millions into this trust fund - how does that equate to not being able to afford players?

bil72

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25 May 2012 08:55:22
rangers will never get over this they are doomed too fail as a club even in a new co as it will be the same kind of peaple running the show just look at your fighting fund nearly gone and all to show is some bought grass seed your peaple at the top thinks the club is ther for ther benifit and have proved this ,the only way forward for rangers was for the fans to buy and pay debt off it would have took time but it was the right way forward ,now all you proper fans know in your hearts its over as none of the peaple at the top can be trusted ,i personly feel sorry for the real rangers fan, but will never let them forget who killed your club,jodrok

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Would rather it went on grass seed than lawyers Alex mci

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25 May 2012 08:04:11
Still these celtic fans come on here and on their own page laughing with comments like hope the club dies and rangers deserve to die. You guys will in fairness be sorry if we did, and a fan with 2 brain cells could see that. And this rubbish about scotland shame?!?! I think you should check your own house before you rip into someone elses.
Say we go, say we die. So then the tv deals go. Then the clubs in the league loose massive revenue. Bye bye atleast 6 spl teams over the next few years. You can say oh but these clubs will live in there means, but these clubs have loans to pay players to pay rent to pay, cancelling a contract of a player costs them more money. So we have now semi pro teams in our leagues. Hey maybe you will survive but who will you be playing? Yes you will win every trophy out there. But who would watch a team in scotland when that is happening? Grounds would be empty, the loyal would continue to go, but I cant see 50,000 in celtic park. We should be dropped a league deducted points, and ok transfer embargo. But let us die?, be careful what you wish for.
Don

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The TV deals won't go and clubs won't lose 'massive revenue' - they'll lose out but will just downsize. Is that concept beyond your comprehension?

Be careful what you wish for? Well if Rangers do take anything to CAS or UEFA pleading unfairness then they should be careful what they wish for as it might become very apparent just how lenient the sanctions so far have been.

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So rangers die we all die yous rangers fans make me sick if your club did not cheat the rest of the league out of 15 years of tropheys and played on a level playing feild the spl would be in a better place ,but do not kid yourself life will go on without yous ,whos to say scottish football will flourish with out rangers no one knows ,but one thing is clear, your club new co or not is not to be trusted and rangers will find it hard to do buisness with any team or agent as the name of rangers is mud and will be giving a wide bearth by all in the comming years , and your coment about semi pro teams and a weak league might be true but atleast it will be an honest one don, jodrok

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Look at Dunfermline, releasing 12 players and going for youth, whilst its true they were relegated they are also a good example of the things to come. Celtic will dominate, but it will be a poor league. Who will sponsor it, tv rights, away support, hospitality, local businesses. Players will reject it in search of bigger and more lucrative leagues and to be honest it will not even be the championship in England. As for Europe, it will spiral downwards, Celtic know they need top players for a good campaign but how do you keep them motivated, pay them a decent salary and attract them. Forget Rangers , Scottish football is approaching a cliff edge, step back or fall off. Sadly some fans are clearly wanting to push from the back.

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B*****ks, the Jambos will replace Rangers as the number two team in Scotland and the Rangers supporters will either support them in Div 3 or go glory hunting with another team!

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OP, Rangers won 17/27 domestic trophies during the 9 in a row years. I don't recall one Rangers fan showing concern for the lack of competitiveness in Scottish football at the time and I say this as one of the 7,000 Celtic fans in the Broomloan for the 5-1 game in 1988 during the first season of dominance. Scottish football has been on its knees for years, maybe this kind of unheard of development is exactly what is required. I'm not talking about the complete destruction of Rangers but a weakened Rangers that is not competitive naturally opens up the possibility of other clubs getting to finals, winning trophies, qualifying for Europe, look no further than Hearts, Kilmarnock and Motherwell this season. In the mid to late 70's St Mirren hugely profited from disenfranchised old firm fans pulling in 12,000 regularly, whose to say that won't happen to some clubs with a bit of success in the future? I agree OP, the current TV deal would be in jeopardy but whatever replaces it (and something will) should mean if Rangers are dropped a division as you suggest, that EVERY club bar possibly Celtic have a realistic chance of finishing one place higher up the league table than this season just passed. That in itself will see bigger crowds, more chance of a top six finish, potentially European football, come the end of the season one place higher up regards league placing income. Sure, on a smaller overall league money pot but will the extra crowds, the extra points, the extra incentives and overall competitiveness of the league (for places two to six say) not cushion the blow to some extent? So I don't think the falling from grace and the top division for Rangers necessarily guarantees the death of six SPL teams as you predict. Football fans in general and Rangers fans in particular are a fickle bunch, wasn't that long ago (84 & 85) Rangers on at least four separate ocassions had crowds of less than 9,000. Unthinkable now, I agree, unthinkable then too I'd imagine. I'll be honest with you, for a Champions League qualifier the 28,828 for the Malmo game last season was poor. In short, you, I, anyone don't know how the football watching public will react to this, nor how success starved Rangers fans will react. But given the decline of Scottish football in recent years, arguably decades, then maybe something as completely unprecedented as this is required to give the game a shot in the arm, the two team dominance hasn't worked, lets see what this alternative can produce.

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So the tv deal goes.... then celtic the championees will sell their own tv rights. say we even only sell 100,000 subscriptions at £40 a year which will be easily reached, thats £4m right there. 4 times more than we get off sky already. so forget about how we will miss the sky money!!
frankiebhoy

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What a load of blinkered,arrogant nonsense.Scaling down will be required but that will be a good thing in the long run.Your problem is Celtic dominating while you are,at best,in div 3.

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might be wrong - but I don't think you or anyone else can sell on tv rights!

bil72

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This "you need us" nonesense is getting boring. Maybe the league won't be as good, but by your logic, Rangers, and Celtic for that matter, can break every rule, regulation and law without being punished because everybody else needs them. Well that's not the kind of league I would want. As said above this could be the breath of fresh air needed, maybe Hearts will become a dominant force. Maybe there will be more competition. Granted, Celtic look likely to dominat for a few years, but the battle for second would be exciting.
Al

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As exciting as the one just past?...well yes that was very exciting I must say .....not!

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#10 This has been the most exciting league for over a hundred years. Now I understand that bear baiting is a much maligned pastime.

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25 May 2012 06:27:58
Fellow bears as someone who has had a season ticket for the last 17 years I'm very concerned with everything that's been going on that we might not even be playing anywhere at all next season not even as a newco.
What does everyone think?

Campsie Bear

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25 May 2012 02:22:44
This is worth a look -

Rangers declared all EBTs, Celtic did
not, the can of worms in now
officially open, heres the quote
from BBC

"Celtic confirmed that it established
one EBT scheme in April 2005,
which BBC Scotland understands
was for the benefit of the Brazilian
midfielder Juninho Paulista. The
scheme was worth £765,000 but
the club did not declare the trust
payment to the Scottish Football
Association or the Scottish
Premier League. "

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Why is it worth a look ? who cares what the Dhims are up to or not, we have our own problems so forget about them and stop behaving like one of them by lowering yourself to there level m8...Concentrate on our teams slim hope of survival cause if the s*** really hits the fans we are gonna need all the supporters we can get ....

Tam-Sir 1873 Forget about them and pray for our own people...

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You forgot to mention all monies were paid to hmrc

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You forgot to include the rest of this
statement saying that celtic DID pay the
tax man.

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Funny how you have missed out the section that Celtic paid all the TAX on the EBT!!

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So Celtic are guilty of doing the exact same thing as Rangers by not declaring payments made to players to the spl and sfa.

Interesting, i await the sporting integrity crowd to come on here and get morally outraged at Celtic's cheating.

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Oh alright then. Rangers problems are over.

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Heres the bit you missed out.

The payments made to the trust were declared in Celtic's annual report for 2004/2005, but in 2008 the club became aware of an event giving rise to a potential tax liability which was subsequently paid after agreement with HMRC.

The remaining 10 SPL clubs replied and confirmed they had never set up an EBT scheme for any of their employees.

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Why are yous all going on about tax?nothing to do with tax. It's either a second contract or not.yous can't have it both ways.Celtic did not disclose Juninhos contract.

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Celtics EBT issue is well documented and a non-story - get a grip!

however for all the years RFC were using these Trust funds, they were in the Accounts the balance sheets etc etc. NO-ONE, SFA/SPL/HMRC/UEFA or even the East End Tax Expert Co. even gave them a second glance.
something stinks - and not just with SDM & co.

bil72

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Rangers declared all E.B.T. Does that include Souness who was not an employee at the time? Dinwar

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Ok strip us of the trophies won when juniho played,garlar07

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25 May 2012 00:21:46
Little question to all the management. team at rangers especially Mr moist why did you all not ask for the people on these ebts to be named and shamed as you all wanted transparency . or is that only when it suits you. well I for one cannot wait till this club is closed forever and I believe there is a very real chance of this as no one with any brains would or should go near this infested club.

Goodbye rangers

hail hail

Marco1888

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Marco its people like you who are a poison in this country, you couldnt care less about thousands of people who support this club and you seem to relish in the prospect of the club closing all because you hate us that much for what?
You need to stop bein so bitter and stay of our page, ok if you have banter then of course come on but if your just gonna be bitter stay off...

Tam-Sir 1873 WATP even after july..

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To o/p how thick can you be sir.SFA/SPL rules could have been broken by not declaring contracts to above bodies nothing to do about paying the tax on such contracts.A certain Mr Juninios contract with Celtic was not declared to SFA/SPL so does that make yous liable to same punishments? Await your answer remember question not declaring EBTS to above bodies.

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Still waiting

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Hi Marco "Our very own little poisoned dwarf"
I've a few questions for you.
If RFC survive..
a) Will you go to the next old firm match at Ibrox,or will your morals and principals keep you away?
b)How long will it take for your broken little heart to mend?
P.O.B.

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I think rangers could be finished as a football club the way they have been run is nothing short of scandelous my skin crawls when i remember comments every £5 celtic spend we,ll spend £10 from a man (sir David lol not for long) who apparently did not spend a penny of his own money from buyiny to selling to me he is worse than whyte

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25 May 2012 00:05:33
Is there any reason why the training ground has not been re-named by now?

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Cos there no sure if its tesco or asda that
are moving in.

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Yes....Cala havent decided yet.

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They can't get credit for a new sign!

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Waiting on grass seed to make it nice & GREEN ;-))

bil72

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