Rangers Banter Archive June 25 2015

25 Jun 2015 21:29:02
Unless I've missed something over the past few weeks I don't recall hearing much from Dave King about the proposed millions of pounds that he was 'allegedly' going to pump into Rangers. With the new season just around the corner not a single significant top quality signing has been made (Wilson, good player he may be, is far from being a top quality signing) and along with a Derby reject in the £200,000 bracket followed a 35yr old still recovering from serious injury and no sell-on value, must surely raise concerns. There have been hundreds of names banded about recently that are stupidly being suggested as Rangers signing targets. It's doubtful if, in the short term, Rangers can pay the transfer fees or the salaries required to bring in the number of quality players that would be needed to achieve the pie-in-the-sky dreams of Champions League football let alone European football within the space of a couple of seasons. Promotion to the SPFL is not a certainty by any means and one big stumbling block might still be a certain Mike Ashley who, at the present time, still holds the Aces.

25 Jun 2015 22:12:51
Wish some people on here would get a grip. Wanting king to spend millions on players for goodness sake we are in the championship and still 2 windows at least to get to the top league so let's not go back to overspending on players we really shouldn't require until next season and give mark war burton a chance to build a team for the future. Rant over

25 Jun 2015 23:41:39
the fans do not demand king pumps millions in but it would be nice to see a wee bit of money spend on getting 1 or 2 quality players in and to get that you have to pay a bit more money we need a top attacking midfielder and a top striker that is where we should be looking at strengthen now and if we have money to spend we should use it for there I am not a fan off loaning players cause if they play good other teams come in for them and value goes up and the player usually doesn't pick the club he was loaned to so the team develops the player but loss out because he doesn't sign if we are looking at developing players and selling on for a transfer fee then I think we need to be signing players on longer contracts than two years if we don't there will be no sell on value they will play one season then we would have 2 cash in for small fee in following year or lose them for nothing in jan

25 Jun 2015 23:59:50
Well said bt61

26 Jun 2015 05:19:40
Things are actually taking shape slowly but properly for the first time in 3 years so no actually genuine Rangers fans are not negative 'persons' like you and after producing the management team that a huge majority of Rangers fans wanted your negative idiocy is pathetic to say the least.

Ashley is being negotiated with presently and as the vote showed at EGM the fans are in agreement over holding back his £5m payment until his people get to the table and renegotiate the kit deal to favour Glasgow Rangers and not Sports Direct courtesy of one Charles Green whom I believe owns a French plush property due to the fact he sold off the Rangers kit deal for nothing but certainly it suited Green and his pals

26 Jun 2015 06:37:03
Big transfer fees usually lead to large salaries. Don't see how we'd need to spend over a million on any player. The gaffer is probably waiting to assess what he has at his disposal. He has at least sorted out the cb problem. Its a long way to go and important we get the right players in the right positions.

26 Jun 2015 07:07:10
This Sports direct retail deal is the monkey on our back just now I think it's holding a lot of things up at present hopefully it can be dealt with sooner rather than later

26 Jun 2015 07:31:05
KT: Read the post correctly. In what way is anything said that is "negative". Correct me on any point that is factually wrong in relation to Dave King, the three signings or Mike Ashley. And, if memory serves me right Ashley only asked for repayment of his tranche of 5 million now rather than later and when he got wind that the supporters would veto that he took out an injunction that prevented details of his "loan/investment" being released. He is not rushing around begging the board for anything, all he is doing is making things a bit difficult, and at who's cost??. The guy is not an idiot, he continues to pull the strings right now.

26 Jun 2015 07:48:07
Good post B.B.

26 Jun 2015 08:26:01
B.B are you for real with fans like you who needs enemies really it's beyond belief spending millions got us in this mess get real and take your head out the sand

26 Jun 2015 09:19:18
if spending millions is beyond belief then why did our chairman say he would give all this season ticket money to the new manager to spend on the squad this is not the fans asking for this money it was our chairman stating this him self or was he just being a bit foolish at the time in now realises he can not do this time will tell but I personally would like to see a quality striker bought and a attacking midfielder and a goalkeeper this could be difference between 1st and 2nd king said he would spend what it takes so do not think the fans asking for a bit of money to be spent are in the wrong as king said this will happen

26 Jun 2015 09:56:01
At the moment it would appear that we would have been better going with a "knight" than a "King". Sangster it would appear will give Levante a war chest of £30m to develop the team whereas, so far, all that King has done is spouted hot air on the odd occasion that he has been in the UK.
We are just a matter of weeks away from the start of the new season and right now we don't have a quality right back, (admittedly we haven't had one for a few seasons now), we have a dodgy goalkeeper, we have no midfield and our attack is primarily Miller and a guy that couldn't score in a brothel! We have made two good signings but we are at least four or five players short of where we need to be. I am not saying that we should be spending megabucks but I do believe that to get the type of quality we need there will need to be at least £four or five million spent. Otherwise and despite my faith in Warburton we will struggle to win this league.

26 Jun 2015 10:00:23
Unless it was pure bluster to get you to buy season tickets then King has already said he plans an OVERSPEND over the next three seasons and remember this was to be front loaded. Now if that doesn't happen then he lied to get your cash up front, or alternately the board will sanction an overspend, an overspend you would imagine that would be reflected in signings and wages. So whether you need players costing a good bit of cash or not King has already said he will spend the season ticket money of 45,000 folk or make up the shortfall, to the amount of approximately £12m-£13m. Is it madness and totally over the top for the Championship? Of course it is but in his interview at the start of June that is more or less what he said so by that definition sure B.B is right, there is nothing highly inspiring so far.

It could well be that the actual manager, who wasn't in place at the time, reckons he can do it without chucking millions at the problem, who knows, maybe it wasn't for King to say prior to having a manager but with Dave there is always a good deal of bluster. In the same interview he said "We have put our money in, fact!" Short of loans and share investments which have a resellable value, he hasn't put in a bean, FACT! So with regards spending cash, to the tune of maybe £12m to £13m maybe he has uninspired so far, maybe Warburton sees a different route or maybe glib Dave was just being glib Dave.

26 Jun 2015 10:14:51
yeh it certainly seems saver was the real and instead of talking has put his money on the table certainly looks like we missed out on this one least we have rangers people at the helm and no they want do anything to damage the club or lie to the fans that is one bonus

26 Jun 2015 10:33:04
As always Gaz a good,sensible informed post.I wish some of your brethren were capable of the same,mate.

26 Jun 2015 11:31:58
Gannet101: Like KT, you've not read my post correctly. It was Dave King who mentioned putting in "millions" not me or anyone else. My original post was being realistic as to the present player signings situation and ongoing circumstances surrounding Mike Ashley and nothing else. Remember that it costs in total, around 10 grand to apply for an injunction and the same again to contest one. Pocket money to Mike Ashley but like gold-dust to the Rangers board right now. It would appear that other posters gkk, Craigs8688, TOM42 and Gaz1 see where I'm coming from.

26 Jun 2015 12:37:33
Cheers gkk. I know it was the day he was in essence doing his sales pitch regards season tickets but he really shouldn't have said a word regard expenditure till he had a manager in place and got their vision of what he planned. Warburton might pull out cheap gem after gem, it is still initially going to look like uninspiring penny pinching after King's daft, unnecessary pledge at the time.

And the thing is you would all have bought into that "Well our strategy regards new players won't be in place till after we have a manager." Who is going to argue with that logic? Instead because it is ST renewal day he promises you £12m-£13m be it financed by yourselves or other means. Sounds desperate and unnecessary and makes me think it's all a bit haphazard.

25 Jun 2015 20:11:14
Since Warburton and Weir have left Brentford to come to Rangers, could there be a posibility of Lewis MacLeod coming back on loan, because there's no guarantee of him getting regular football at Brentford wereas at Rangers he would.

25 Jun 2015 18:19:47
Wee ainsworth on the tele talkin about the mighty well dismembering use in the playoffs! Well said that man haha

25 Jun 2015 20:38:38
Seem to remember a certain marcos tavares (maribor) having a wee poke at yourselves, well said that man,now hail hail yourself a rocket to the real world ya space cadet.

25 Jun 2015 20:51:44
I'll give you your due,dh88 or whatever your name is this week.I wouldn't have come back on this site if one of the eds heavily shot me down in flames the way you copped it,ho ho.
Totally obsessed wi the Gers!

25 Jun 2015 21:15:34
I hope the next time we meet, we Well and truly pump them, heard the little Tit rattling on about 6-1 Fud

25 Jun 2015 22:28:10
Legia warszaw anyone?

25 Jun 2015 22:28:22
Awww aye Maribor who were in the champions league and drew with the EPL champions or the mighty well who finished 2nd bottom of the SPL! Good comparison! And am the space cadet! Haha!

26 Jun 2015 08:58:24
The only thing am obsessed with gkk is winning! Do u remember what that feels like? Haha! Like a said,wee ainsworth hit the nail on the head! Use didn't just get beat by the 2nd bottom team in the SPL use were annihilated!! Now it's back to fighting it out with Alloa and Livingston and Dunbarton and Hoping to get a run in the petrofact cup! God it's exciting times 😉😉😜

26 Jun 2015 09:01:05
Your right Dhead88 you are a space 🚀 cadet

25 Jun 2015 17:28:14
Any one heard any thing about that new purple top that was leaked

25 Jun 2015 15:52:08
John Eustace should feel lucky a team like Rangers are interested in him , no world beater after all and coming to the end of his career

25 Jun 2015 15:23:56
Since Warburton and Weir have left Brentford to come to Rangers, could there be a possibility of them bringing Lewis Macleod back on loan.

25 Jun 2015 11:52:59
One last insight from the holiday with JS - what a skinful by the way, lads very much on tour - Rangers looking at Salif Diao to patrol the midfield. Over and out, bodia

25 Jun 2015 12:12:14
You still drunk bodia!

25 Jun 2015 14:12:17
to mucc information

25 Jun 2015 16:16:58
How old is Diao? Must be as old as Davie Weir.
Maybe more than one Diao. The one I am thinking of is a centre back not a midfield

25 Jun 2015 17:17:44
One can dan!

25 Jun 2015 18:53:52
Bodie
Thanks for amusing us all but Really, if Jim Stewart told you half of what your saying he would be sacked by Mark Warburton fior giving so much away, but you entertained us all anyway with your ridiculous suggestions! Lol

25 Jun 2015 10:44:37
There are a couple of wee myths creeping in and getting repeated, gleefully by folk. I think it is time for a wee bit of myth debunking, BIGWULL pay careful attention please, you've said it twice, I'll save you from looking foolish a third time.

Celtic's Co-op debt. From Oct 2009 till April 2019 Celtic have a loan of £16.69m. This is repayable quarterly which works out at £439, 210 repaid every 3 months. As of August 2013 the debt was less than £10m, we have had 22 months since then or 7 more repayments, wiping another £3m off that debt. So the debt is now under £7m and it repayable by April 2019. In truth I am not losing sleep over this BIGWULL and similarly I don't think you should be salivating at the prospect of the administrators crashing through the doors any time soon. Okay so can we finally kill that one off?

Celtic's crap season in Europe last season. Sure losing twice after a reprieve was embarrassing that I don't deny and of course for the first year in three lost out on Champions League money. Not great, I totally agree. Guess what though, in the CL 2013/2014 UEFA pts gained 6.65, last season in the EL, knocked out twice in qualifiers etc etc, UEFA pts gained 7.8. It's a funny old game eh? I don't dispute the financial loss but ultimately Celtic's European coefficient went up last year compared to the CL qualifying season before. This is also the last season our coefficient uses the paltry 2.22 pts gained in 2010/2011. Any improvement on that and again our coefficient improves, we currently have 1.0 in the bank this year but qualification will be much harder this year, the quality of the teams from 6-10th seeds are very strong.

By comparison Rangers have won 1 of their last 22 European fixtures, a record St Johnstone doubled inside 8 days several years back and for the record, have I look, I wouldn't have believed it had I not seen it myself, Rangers as of next season will be using Scotland's coefficient as their rating, in other words they will be as quoted in Europe as Alloa or Dalbeattie Star should they win the Scottish Cup. So it seems even our "rotten years in Europe" leave us pretty much smelling of roses by comparison.

So in a nutshell our finances seem pretty solid and in Europe every Scottish team's defeat dictates Rangers seeding for perhaps the next two seasons, still wanting the sheep gubbed right away?

{Ed001's Note - can I just ask a question? You said another £3m had been wiped off the debt, but you failed to take into account any interest, so is it an interest free loan? Otherwise you will not have wiped that much off the debt, you will have wiped off that much -any interest owing.}

25 Jun 2015 11:10:41
i never said your finances were crap f u go back to my post I was merely pointing out that u had debt I also said u were trading ok but another with no c l money and its a different picture van dik will be sold and that will keep the club in profit

25 Jun 2015 11:58:44
Ed the payback was my own calculation of the loan ie 114 months divided into the debt so the £439k was a estimate. Interest wise, I don't know, may well be they pay £500k a time, bear in mind some Rangers fans were calling it close to state aid and soft loans so it would hardly be massive I would presume.

Fair enough BIGWULL, do you accept that repaying £7m or so in the next 4 years is very much affordable as things stand? I think either way Van Dijk will be gone after the qualifiers, we get in he gets sold and it's easier to get a replacement albeit you have less than a week to do so, we go out, he's the financial buffer zone this year no question. And I have great sympathy in your £40k loss, it's crap that fans lose out completely while investors like King still get their 6 or 7p in the pound. Maybe not a great comfort even then but it just seems unfair you don't get the same protection.

{Ed001's Note - ok cheers.}

25 Jun 2015 13:00:42
Indeed it is a 'funny old game' Gaz. It's as funny as it is fickle.
20 years ago, just as your team were recovering from your own financial crisis , Rangers were celebrating yet another league championship. Unfortunately we lost to Aberdeen in the league cup semis after putting yourselves out in the quarters. No worries we lifted the Scottish cup humping hearts 5-1, laudrup scored as he did against a certain team the round before.
15 years ago, Rangers were crowned champs again ,we also managed a comfortable win over ' the sheep' in the Scottish cup. Europe that year was a mixed Bag but by no means humiliating - both Parma and PSV were well beaten and if I can remember correctly it was a dubious free kick which led to Munichs single goal. No need to cry over spilt milk.
10 years ago was not so pretty. The only positive was European footy after Xmas. This post is to show how volatile footy can be.
A short 5 years later and Rangers ,under Walter , are yet again top of the league. Our record in Europe was poor but not terrible considering the opposition- many draws and a few single goal defeats sandwiching a Valencia doing. Domestically an old firm league cup final was settled by Jellyfish ,giving us the double( I will hide the fact that Celtic put us out in the replay of 5th roundSC haha ;)

Anyways apologies for the daft history lesson, though I think it is important to take the stick out whichever orifice you have it in Gaz. The majority of us know that we are terrible and are bored of your echoes. Who knows what the next 5 years will bring?

25 Jun 2015 14:51:54
Gaz wer are you getting the loan figure from from am sure it was reported back in 2013 that the loan was over 20m with interest set at 1.65%

25 Jun 2015 15:21:01
Thebear82, yes sorry I was focusing on the repayable part regards 2019, in total including a long term loan there was £21 but the £16.69m needs repaying come 2019 at worst. Cheers for the 1.65% I didn't know that.

Nippon of course football is full of swings and roundabouts and I have no doubt that it will all change again at some point however I started by pointing out that Celtic didn't actually, on the face of it, have that bad a season in Europe at all and indeed as you alluded to in your own post "the only positive was euro football after xmas" a box we ticked ourselves last year. As for getting "bored of my echoes" why the hell did you just spend 18 lines worth of writing on it?

25 Jun 2015 15:25:02
And by the way Nippon that was good history not daft, no need to apologise, well remembered Nippon, good stuff. :)

25 Jun 2015 15:28:38
See if we are all honest who cares about the debt celticfootballclub as a buisness and a sports brand make this debt very very managable and unless peter lawel has been doing a david murray and not showing us the overpriced overpaid players he's been buying the clubs finances will b fine so let's all concentrate on the important things in life my teams better than your team ;) hail hail

25 Jun 2015 16:41:06
Haha very true Shandybhoy I agree!

However my team is more successful than yours ;)
BOOM!

25 Jun 2015 18:26:16
Superb nippon mate, as they say touche,game set and match to yourself.

24 Jun 2015 23:11:37
Until the manager actually says he's interested in players it's all just hearsay! He prob has players in mind we've never heard of, it will be a half dozen loan players till he gets up to spl and a half dozen players on a couple year contracts. Can't see a lot of money being spent to win the Scottish championship!

25 Jun 2015 10:47:14
I agree there mate no point in spending sizeable amounts, hopefully uses his contacts within the game and persuade a few of them that there players can flourish with some game time.