Rangers Banter Archive July 25 2012

25 Jul 2012 20:04:48
Rangers SFA membership transfer will be refused after SPL reject proposals. This isn't significant in terms of football next season as SFA can't invite any other club forward at this late stage and will grant newco a new license.

However, it means all history cares and new rangers, as a club. Eggins day of issue of 'new' license.

Also, Craig Whyte is main debt creditor for green who has not put a single penny in (all Loans etc)...just like Murray (a disgrace that Gould be wiped from club history) and Whyte (a bigger disgrace). Craig Whytes dad is controlling Craig's interest (as he passes fit and proper test). {Ed039's Note - Source?)

You have a good point at the start. I lost interest after that though. CheltBlue

Oh the Drama tonight!

25 Jul 2012 19:54:35
why are rangers stalling on ebt investigations as at this stage that is all it is , surely this must mean that they think they are guilty so i say sfa/ spl must proceed as rangers would demand this if it were another club . remember no agreement no licence = no football and no club

They may be guilty or they may not! SPL want Rangers to waive their right to appeal over any punishments! Could be the SPL's evidence is very shaky at best and if they hand out a punishment based on it and Rangers appealed in court then Rangers would win! SPL know this hence waive the right to appeal!

This week it turns out the BBC use ebt's,everone uses EBT whom can afford a good accountant, The UK set up the whole EBT system so why dont you just get a life and go and bother someone else for gods sake.

@2. You still misunderstand this. The point is not the ebt itself but the fact that rangers players received non-contractual payments. It's a sort of catch 22 and there is no doubt rangers are guilty. The only question is what to do about it.im amazed so many people don't understand this yet.

25 Jul 2012 18:43:45
I read rangers are going to offer contracts to these players but wonder where the money to pay them is going to come from?

25 Jul 2012 18:20:09
Celtic supporter here (one of the honest ones),Quick question for ed and rangers supporters that may know?
will the new Rangers be releasing a different strip than the one just now? Or changing crest? Or any other datail with being a new co.?
If its a stupid question I apologise but I've not heard anything! Don't want to say good luck, but hope to see use back in the SPL or whatever it'll be called by then?! {Ed039's Note - It seems to me that the strips being sold in the shop are the same as the ones released at the end of last season, there are some that have the sponsor and some that dont)

We are not a newco. Accept it and move on. {Ed039's Note - Erm, yes we are)

You're not just a new company but a new club under everybody's rules and regulations, as the footballing club and the company are one and the same, and have to be.

Erm no we're not. Rangers are still Rangers. Not The Rangers or Newco Rangers or Rangers newco or any other slant you wish to add to it. Cheers. {Ed039's Note - I dont disagree with that, but its a newco, i dont know how you can argue with that? Listen I am a Rangers fan and I can admit it, whats the problem?)

@2 lets make up our minds in the we hate Rangers Alliance-We are either new therefore no sanctions or we are Rangers with sanctions.The we hate Rangers Alliance cannot keep having their cake eating it and throwing it out their high chairs like all naughty toddlers its time for your bed!!!!

Your team are a newco... Obviously YOU can't accept it, I asked a genuine question and you couldn't even answer wether you knew or not! Cheers ed for your reply on OP

@4 the problem with that is if your not Rangers why should we make special allowances to let you play in the SFL with out the required 3 years accounts. Like Bill Miller planed your a sort of mad hybrid of old and new. Your a new company that wants all of the old football licences transferred. No one has ever done this before and no one knows how to deal with you. The SPL and SFL decided to treat you exactly like a newco, no punishment, no special treatment. The SFA is trying to treat you as inheritors of the SFA membership which means that all of the existing penalties and liabilities should be transferred with the membership. I understand your frustration but the people responsible for this are rangers.

Your club is a newco. The probl is that the reason it is a newco is to avoid paying debts. This is why sanctions will be applied. Otherwise Craig whyte will have cheated thousands out of money owed and got away with it. Personally I would refuse membership until its clear whyte is not involved. At this stage it looks like he is. The sfa and spl have actually done a good job in foiling his plans up to now.

Ed, you are wrong! The corporate entity running Rangers is in the process of being liquidated, i.e. Oldco. We are now being run by a new corporate entity called Sevco, i.e. the Newco. We are still Rangers as a club. We are not New Rangers, we are still just Rangers! There is a big difference between being a Newco and a New Club!!

JD {Ed039's Note - So why does even the owner acknowledge we are a newco then?)

25 Jul 2012 17:03:38
RANGERS' players continued their summer programme this morning by taking to the brand new Ibrox pitch for the first time to train.

In sunny conditions at the stadium, the group warmed up on the magnificent surface then took part in three 30-minute matches while they remain unable to play pre-season friendlies.

Thanks RFF for the new pitch.

Was that thanks to the RFF a joke. If it wasn't I'm sad for Gers. That money was meant to pay off small creditors. You remember them. The people that really got screwed.

@1 And the HMRC didn't help them either by refusing the CVA. The creditors get even less money thro liquidation than they would have got thro the CVA.

No (1) which one of the small creditors hasn't been paid yet since your in the know, I for one would be interested

@1, the RFFF was not there to pay off small creditors, that is just one thing some of the money was used for. It was their to help meet essential running costs ie. things Rangers need as a football club.

To number 3 celtic still to be paid {Ed039's Note - All creditors still to be paid, thats the point of liquidation)

@5 as yet celtic have made no request for payment.try and keep up with whats happening at your club

@6. Rangers fc were billed as normal by celtic but so far the bill has not been paid. There is no need to make a request as you put it, as its out of Celtics hands.

25 Jul 2012 15:29:35
Rangers Bid for Licence

"SFA chief executive Stewart Regan is being cautious – and hints that the whole issue could move closer to Friday’s deadline.

But the entire issue of whether Rangers get a certificate still has to go before the SFA board and Regan revealed that nothing had been decided.

He said: “It could possibly be settled in 24 hours but there are still a number of issues to resolve and it will require a lot of action from our lawyers.”

25 Jul 2012 14:53:24
RANGERS today released the following statement:

Charles Green, Chief Executive of The Rangers Football Club, said: "We have reached agreement with the SFA and SFL on all matters but not with the SPL.

"As a result, talks are continuing to secure our SFA membership which we are hoping to receive today."

Source: RFC website

Is the SPL the ruling body in Scotland? This whole application business is a complete and utter joke. A waste of time. You might get agreement with 2 but not all 3 until we just say yes, yes, yes and do what they want.
I hope that it is good grounds that RFC are holding out for because if it is and the SPL still say no then I'll back RFC dropping out for as long as it takes. Enough is enough.
Too many hidden agendas and everyone says they are acting in the best interest of Scottish football.
Wake Up it's a joke.

Do Rangers fans kike you actually dthink for yourselves and seek out facts rather than the ones you're fed from the west coast mafia media!

It's incredibly straight forward. the spl were charged with investigation into dual contracts. the sfa took a step back and awaiting the result of the investigation. newco want to transfer the sfa membership, to circumvent the criteria required for a new sfa membership.

your club needs to make up its mind... If you are still to be rangers, you can keep the history, but that should mean if you are found guilty, then the title are stripped. and ur still getting off lightly as you have also received prize money and additional incomes associated with successes which were effectively stolen from other clubs! Or, if you do not want ur club to receive any sanctions, apply for a new membership.... and that will stop all this nonsense bargaining over tv rights and sfl can tell the spl to sling their hook. unfortunately, new licence is very unlikely to be granted. this whole situation is smoke n mirrors. if the rules were just followed to letter, this situation could have been resolved weeks ago

25 Jul 2012 14:35:37
Black signing today.
Beats unlikely to be signing now, because Little has re-signed out of the blue (cheaper option)
Looks like he's on his way to Notts Cnty or Sheff Untd, despite his best efforts to become a Ger.
At least he was willing, unlike some. {Ed039's Note - Need a licence or nobody will be signing anytime. I know its something different to talk about, but there are no absolutes here)

Black paperwork all done today after the 3x30 90 mins at Ibrox.
Beattie not offered a deal, as Andy Little rejoined the night before.
Beats not happy, but now moving to Notts cnty or Sheff utd.

25 Jul 2012 13:38:24
Have rangers notified season ticket holders to renew and pricing cos ive heard nothing and obv have to soon

Can't until licence is granted.

All depends on the licence being issued

JG

25 Jul 2012 13:18:02
Just wondering what chances Rangers
meeting Celtic in early rounds of cups
to keep t.v companies happy

If RFC get through the rounds and when the spl clubs enter the draw then it's a cert!

You mean match fixing? {Ed039's Note - You mean rigging the draw, not match fixing)

25 Jul 2012 12:55:10
Celtic Fan in Peace
You know Bears why does it feel that there are still more questions than answers after all these weeks, I think we all need an end to this. The past has let go of and we now all need to move on, if folk like Sally are going to keep going off on one, and others Like Kennedy keep popping up I fear the Gers could end up the way of Third Lanark, and for those WATP mob yes it could happen, never say Never.

Are you getting bored at last? CheltBlue

25 Jul 2012 11:28:55
Alex ferguson has been asked by a jouno on man u tours what he feels about all the things that have happend scottish footballb his reply '' its a shame to see scottish footbal being dragged thourgh the gutter. then he then got asked if he would help in any way '' i have lots of youngster who would love to join a team like rangers with the facilites they have and what they can offer them inthe deveoplment there learning form us her(mann utd)

Maybe we should take his offer and get a few of his youngsters to learn there tricks of the trade.

It was on man utd tv this morning

Or why not just give the kids we have a chance.

How many of these facilities will exist in a year? We need to offload cost and Murray Park is one that needs to go, can't be afforded playing D3 or D2 football.

Arguably Ibrox as well, but not as easy to resolve either way.

25 Jul 2012 09:57:01
Delighted about Little. The boy done well for us last season and i can see him thriving playing off of big McCulloch. If we manage to sign Black and get him in alongside Hutton then the centre of midfield looks very strong, with Perry and Broadfoot we have a centre half pairing with plenty of expierence and overall the spine of the team looks very good. Bedoya i imagine will play wide with Mitchell, McLeod, Naismith or even Wallace on the other flank. Cole, Wallace, Perry, Broadfoot, Hegarty can all play rb/lb so if we pick up a few injuries/suspensions then ally can shuffle the back 4 about to accomodate. But i still think we need a few guys for cover in defence, 1 more midfielder and a striker to be ready for the new season.

My starting 11 for the new season

-----------Alexander------------

Cole---Perry---Broadfoot---Wallace

McLeod--Hutton--McCulloch/Black--Mitchell

-------Little-------McCulloch/Naismith

J1985

Cole couldnae get any games on loan to Thistle last season, might be ok in div3, but certainly not long term stuff, Thistle didn't want him back

I cant contain myself with the thought of broadfoot in the heart of our defines and most likely captain or vice captain

25 Jul 2012 00:06:35
just not long on bbc sport that rangers ar no closer to sfa membership even tho green claim to have progressed why cant green not keep his mouth tight and stop all these lies he is playing us like a fiddle

What do you expect Mr Green to do,just roll over and let the vultures pick over our bones.no,he is trying to save honours won fairly playing football,as a newco,we have a right to defend ourselves,so.Get a grip,stop blaming him for our demise,he is showing the SPL,that he is not prepared to put up with their blackmail.I for one think he is doing a decent job.

Didnt expect any progress anyway ,dealing with people like reagan and doncaster ,as ive said before call their bluff ,they have got more at stake than the gers have doug t.s.o

Super ally's played the fans like a fiddle since feb 14th mate.

"he is trying to save honours won fairly playing football"
The SPL aren't trying to remove honours won fairly playing football, just the ones that weren't.
Al

Poster 4 how many times have you and your fellow snipers got to be told if you put the ball in the net more than the other team you win ,or for that matter if scott mc donalds pops 2 goals in against you in the final minutes you have lost ,if you give your employee an extra bonus even if its in a legit tax loophole that hmrc forgot to close ,you hope to get a better performance from your worker as he is happy with his wages ,its all down to sour grapes cos your lot werent good enough on the day ,so for once gie the matter a rest cos your on a loser doug t.s.o

24 Jul 2012 23:31:39
Now on BBC, according to "someone close to the discussions" we are no closer to membership than we were last week. According to this source the agreement is no further forward. Either CG thinks we button up the back or the SFA/SPL are trying to attach more conditions to our entry. How hard can it be for all parties to be honest so that everyone knows what the feck is going on.

24 Jul 2012 22:57:37
Chris McLaughlin tweeting:

"Sticking point in way of #SFA membership is #Rangers insistence that they are not prosecuted for dual contracts."

I cannot see how Rangers are not prosecuted if the SFA/SPL have already admitted that a prima facie case exists.

Mac2.

To the Op you do realise what prima facie means don't you? Even in a court of law the alleged guilty still have the right to a fair and unbiased trial .

This is Green's way out!

Well they can prosecute the old owners Murray and Whyte. The question is in regards to the new owner Charles Green who so far hasn't done anything wrong yet. Thats the major sticking point and the problem.

DO

Even if the football authorities agree now, what`s to stop any person or club raising a private prosecution at a later date.
chasaboy

A private prosecution for what? Breaking SFA rules. It isn't against the law to pay people bonuses, tax issues are another matter.

Correct chasaboy. The SPL need to hammer rangers over the EBTs as its not going away simply cause wee Sally has an emo outburst.

@1. Where do I say that Rangers are not entitled to a fair trail.

If a prima facie case exists, it means there is a case to answer.

If there is a case to answer that means is should be prosecuted. It does not mean that the party being prosecuted is necessarily guilty.

Mac2.

@5 Rangers took the SFA TO COURT because they didn`t like their rules, can`t have it all your own way. I know it`s agaist Fifa rules for clubs to go to court, that is why i mentioned an indivdual could do so, and in the guise of any number of issues.

24 Jul 2012 22:28:25
Cant believe some guys would have Riorden instead of Beattie.
Apart from anything else, his attitude stinks, also....Beattie has won 3 SPL titles, 4 Scottish cups, 1 Championship play off, 2 promotions from Championship, 20 English Prem games and over 100 Championship appearances + 7 full Scotland caps and he's still just 28.
Riorden, has one league and one cup medal, and hasn't played really outside Scotland, and he is well known for his off field stuff and his attitude on it, and he's a year older at 29.
Beattie is also desperate to play for Gers...it's Beattie all the way for me.

Do you really think Beattie will play more than 50% of games in the third division? Heavy pitches dont help with hamstring trouble