Rangers Banter Archive January 25 2015

25 Jan 2015 21:44:09
Today was a reallity check and put everything into a sense of perspective.
Watching Fernando make his way into the centre circle was nothing short of heart breaking.
Our fantastic support played a blinder and the genuine emotion shown by fellow players was heart warming.
To watch a man, with all his challenges, show such warmth, in adversity, to his family and friends is humbling.
It just goes to show where there is life there is hope.
Fernando, today must have been difficult for you, but you showed that your 'bottle' is still there for the challenge ahead. All the best for the future and if anyone can fight this battle it is you.

Billyb. Here here mate

25 Jan 2015 20:03:34
Thursday d day as its pay day if not paid administration looms

@gardener1965

There is absolutely no chance and I will repeat NO chance the wages will not be paid on Thursday, here is why.

The club can not default on paying administration staff, playing staff and other club staff or it will be in direct breach of SFA and SPFL rules which include many sanctions that are enforcable immediately, that's why there will be money on the table to ensure the wage run goes ahead, expect an announcement from the LSE either tomorrow or Tuesday confirming the acceptance of a loan, now who supplies the loan will be the critical factor, if Spivs direct then the word boycott will be ringing in this boards ears until the EGM is confirmed shortly.
If the loan is from T3B and or king then a compromise will have been reached. We can still not be 100% certain which way it will swing, but I suspect T3B and king have the upper hand as wee toxic is spouting all sorts of Mince on the LSE chat room using his proxy name "sitonfence" and is defo running scared

But we will see! Keep an eye on the LSE for the next few days as notices will be posted confirming the next move.

The boycott will start in earnest if Spivs direct gets any more control at the club

RR

Please can people we STOP posting 2nd Admin comments when it CANNOT and WILL NOT happen. There are we know at least 2 offers of multi millions and what you are suggesting is that those and every other party that stands to lose multi millions were we to go into admin will not be accepted investment wise, jesus it pains me at times the lack of business knowlege people have at times and to be honest common sense.

We are not now or at any time going into a 2nd Admin, there is no 100million pound big tax case hanging over us anymore Rangers minded businessmen were only ever put of at the Admin time by the worry of the big tax case.

So please can we draw a line under this insane train of thought finally it plays right into the hands of people like ashole and the board relying on fear tactics amongst the fans and investors.

i am george

Iamgeorge I have allready posted there is no chance of the wages not being paid one or other of bidders for the club will pay the money

@ I am George

You are 100% correct admin can not legally happen when there are several options to provide funding immediately any judge sitting on an admin case HAS to consider all options before granting administration, there is NO chance ANY judge would grant admin on behalf of this board! Regardless of how they plead.

I have it under confirmed sources that there will be notices to LSE to confirm who is providing the loan, the problem this board have is they know they are a busted flush if they go with Spivs direct, any normal thinking fan looking at all the available evidence would know that to go with Spivs direct and the incompetents at boardroom level is the wrong way to go and will cause untold confrontation for months NO years and the word boycott will continue to haunt them until change is brought to bear (sorry for the pun)

As you mention George the shares are the crucial point, who has the advantage? Will we get the required amount to win the EGM?

The one thing that MUST happen and should not be interfered with is the calling of the EGM.

We must go with it regardless of the attempted threats and excuses from the board etc, because that's wee jacks MO and he will be trying every trick in the book.

Mr King and T3B you must hold your nerve and don't flinch

RR

25 Jan 2015 18:33:26
Wasn't there today, no excuses, am going next week tho, totally gutted with myself for not going today is an understatement, next week means nothing compared to today, a saw the highlights of ricksen coming on the park, and kicking off the game, had a tear in my eye, football results mean nothing compared to what this brave guys going thru, but after seeing that today, football means everything to people, especially today, the guys a legend, and am just wanting to applause all the fans that went up there today, today's game ment more to every single Rangers supporter and fan across the world, great turn out great atmosphere, great gesture, makes me proud to be a bear!

Lump in the throat stuff today seeing Fernando again at Ibrox and made me remember why I am proud to be a bear.

25 Jan 2015 17:43:46
I strongly believe Celtic should in an official statement acknowledge we are the same club as defined by Lord Nimmos findings and Neil Doncasters reaffirming. And to make it clear that the views of the fans who paid for that advert are not the official view of the club. If not Vince Lumney should serve them notice of complaint.

{Ed039's Note - Thats not going to happen)

Water off a duck's back. Let them get uptight about it if they want. Never take fans of DIGNITY F. C seriously. A few of them over last few years like to think they have a moral high ground. Don't mention the biscuit tin mentality, of course that was not fraud lol.

It's called an obsession, I'm sure the 3 grand it cost would be better served going to a worthy charity. How pathetic do the think it makes their club look.

{Ed039's Note - Or season tickets?)

Is there not a law in the SFA rules to prevent clubs going into liquidation and coming back saying they are the same club with the same history, sure I'm right. so, not the same club

{Ed039's Note - Can you quote me this law Gary?? It seems to me that the same SFA have said otherwise unless I am saying otherwise. I am not saying what happened is right, but it has happened and probably sets a dangerous precedent (ala Fiorentina) but its the lawmakers in the game and the country who have confirmed it Gary so get over it)

I did actually see a draft of the advert a few weeks back which had the official Celtic logo on it, obviously without permission.

From memory the Advertising Standards Authority backed Rangers as the same club before after complaints from Celtic fans. I would guess a few complaints will be sent to them from our side this time round.

{Ed039's Note - ASA wouldnt be able to do anything about it, it was a group of individuals who took out the advert, not anybody officially associated with anybody. If asked any questions Celtic will distance themselves from it)

I would like to see if the same deluded and pathetic dhims that took out the newspaper ad would please address every club that no longer exists such as Motherwell, Dundee, Portsmouth, Livingston etc etc. by taking out 3k ads for them also? No I don't think so.

These clubs and Rangers are regarded by everyone in football from fans to authorities to governing bodies and in fact the Law in Scotland as the SAME football clubs simple and a fact. The only people that think the opposite are the celtic 'fans' that are clinging to this hope as it is the ONLY way EVER they will beat the more successful the team in Scotland and in the World. Glasgow Rangers.

I love the fact they show themselves up in such a sad and frankly embarassing way it is a clear indication that the do regard as as a threat and fear the day we retake our rightful place as Scotlands true champions, the one and only and legally defined as still Glasgow Rangers FC.

If they really thought this was no longer Rangers they would not care and they would not turn up for the huge sell out that will be this Sundays game they certainly wouldn't be offering fortunes for tickets to see a novelty game against an alledged 'new' team lolol

RTID 54 and 55 coming soon

i am george

George, your argument is completely invalid. All those teams were never liquidated, teetered on the brink yes, but never liquidated.

{Ed039's Note - Correct, Fiorentina were right enough, they are still the same club as well, dangerous precendent been set for a few different clubs over the years)

To ed. I don't exactly where you find a copy of the SFA rules your I will keep looking. while googling for it came across this in scotzine at the time rangers went into liquidation
Rangers football club consigned to history, the titles will not transfer over
Some people think Celtic football and athletic company1888 ended under mccanns tenure, however it became a subsidiary of Celtic plc. the club was rebranded and named Celtic FC plc, but Celtic never ever entered administration or liquidation it was just rebranding the name unlike the rangers saga. rfc 1872 whose timeline started in 1872 and ended in 2012.
Scottish football has had a number of clubs that have ended up the same way as rangers, going into liquidation and coming back as a newco. airdrieonians, Gretna, Clydebank, and third Lanark. third Lanark went into liquidation in 1967 and has only emerged in Scottish football in the last few years, but the hi hi, s cannot lay claim to the 15 trophies won by their forebearers, likewise Clydebank formed in 1965' went into liquidation. In 2002 saw their history wiped out. and consigned to the history books, while they saw their registration being bought over by airdrie united under jim Ballantine after the lanarkshires previous namesakes airdrieonians went bust. neither airdrie united or Clydebank lay claim to the titles of their forebearers. neither do gretna2008 whose previous namesakes Gretna football club were liquidated in 2008 and reborn as Gretna FC 2008 ltd.
Of these clubs that went into liquidation a total of 18 major trophies have been consigned to the history books and have been honourably laid to rest along with the defunct clubs.

So what makes rangers different? They aren't
They may have won significantly more trophies than the clubs listed above, they may have had a long and successful history but that has all ended in 2012 whether they like it or not.
The rangers football club has now been reborn, June 2012 Is the formation date of the newco and it currently holds no titles and no honours. the 54 titles, 33 Scottish cups, 27league cups, and the European cup winners cup are not the property of the rangers football club 2012, despite what Charles green, duff and phelps or ally mccoist peddle to the press. they now belong to the defunct rangers football club 1872. Alex ray commented at the time in the daily record. " we can now say that 140 years of history have been effectively come to an end".
I will keep looking for the actual rules because I know you can access them but I just don't no where yet but I will find them and get the said rule I mentioned

{Ed039's Note - Airdrie are now officially allowed to lay claim to Airdrieonians name and history - see the following link http://www.airdriefc.com/history and Clydebank Juniors do claim the history of Clydebank FC - again please see the following link http://www.clydebankfc.co.uk/web/club_honours.php also see following link on Fiorentina http://en.violachannel.tv/history-fiorentina.html - I am glad you brought up "Scotzine" - here is their description of themselves on their own website "team of contributors from freelance journalists, student journalists, bloggers and fans" - I really enjoy their work and think they do a fantastic job, but I wont be taking their word over Lord Smith and Neil Doncaster on official football rulings anytime soon. No disrespect at all intended to them whatsoever)

25 Jan 2015 20:40:48
Have to pull you up on a few things Ed. The problem is that the SFA have not come out and clarified nor have the legal system but I wouldn't expect them to.

{Ed039's Note - I dont think you will find any arguments on it from the SFA, remember it was the SFA and not the SPL or SFL that tried to allow Rangers entry straight into old First Division and as for the legal system, was it not during a legal challenge from the SPL that Lord Smith made his judgement? I am fed up trying to give folks example, sometimes I wish it had of been different as well, but organisations, sponsors, legal minds etc etc have all made up their mind, if all of these folks come out and say otherwise, I will take it no problem, but they havent and it has plenty of folks knickers in a twist)

Naz there club made them remove the club logo from the advert, probably in case they got sued for it, as they have no money to pay any fine that the advert would have caused, they are dying for us to get back to top league, they are skint, ask guddetti, or commens

Gary, how much of the 3000 is yours. Your obsession with all things rangers would be appreciated in the gallowgate, not here!!
Today is about Fernando ricksen

Gary you say why are rangers any different from the teams you listed, that has a very logic answers, it's because we are the people.

Gary (?)

To what end do you not want Rangers FC to exist?

Please speak plainly?

Did your fanz take out an advert when Dundee went bust, the first time?

Did your fanz take out an advert when Dundee went bust, the second time?

Can besotted people become more besotted, or is it besottedur?

{Ed039's Note - Just to point out Dundee never entered liquidation)

25 Jan 2015 21:26:33
No Ed. Lord Nimmo Smith never made a legal judgement on it. He gave an opinion outside of the remit of his task. So you agree the SFA never came out and made a statement one way or another? I have no problem with you giving your opinion but don't state it as fact.

{Ed039's Note - You are well clutching at straws now pal, so you acknowledge that the man sent on the SPLs witch hunt DID indeed say that Rangers history was in tact and that in the last 2 and a half years the SFA have allowed Rangers to trade as is without pulling them back, dont try and pull a rabbit out of your hat with something that the SFA havent said. Pathetic really. Like I said, has someone come out and say "its the end, its over" I would have taken it, and you know what it would have been deserved, but it hasnt and you just can not handle it with trying to give me round about "facts" when you have nothing)

Fair poin so to use the same argument then using these clubs that did enter liquidation:

Luton, Bournemouth, Rotherham and Leeds United all formed a newco without a CVA, and were punished with points deductions ranging from 15-20 points. All of these clubs retained their histories.

These are facts and accepted in football circles, amongst fans and legally.

Rangers are exactly the same we are the same club with the same history and I agree with ED I am only interested in 2 opimions Lord Smith and Neil Doncaster simple Rangers are still and always will be Rangers rediculous of dhims to try and hope otherwise, our World Record gets under their skin and they are 2nd best now and always will be.

RTID

i am george

25 Jan 2015 21:44:12
You're backing up my original point thanks Ed. The authorities need to clarify the situation.

{Ed039's Note - The authorities did - Neil Doncaster of the SPFL clarified it just this week. And I dont think that was your original point at all)

This a a lot of to do about nothing let them waste there money it makes no difference it should give every one a huge lift and all the more reason to hump them next week

{Ed039's Note - I am bored of producing facts and quotes to be told ... oh but your wrong, but I can only give you example of bloggers who said it, and citing folk who havent said anything at all .... I am bored of it, its a bullshit argument)

26 Jan 2015 04:06:02
and here is the end NOT ONE GAME MISSED, NOT ONE, company sold the assets, club continued playing are you daft?

The legal point is about companies not teams. Company law states a liquidated company is not allowed to trade with the name or pretend to be the former company. This is a legal point, not about SFA regs.

25 Jan 2015 17:12:13
I Found myself in tears at the start and end of Fernando Ricksen's Tribute game, almost 42,000 people came out on a dreech, windy Sunday in January, to watch auld duffers miskick a ball around and all to help a man the don't know personally who finds himself facing the most terrible fate, the sheer emotion of a standing ovation and everyone inside the stadium singing his name was in itself more powerful than any political rhetoric or Hollywood scripted monologue.

Somehow I find a little faith restored in the intrinsic good in people, in a world where we are encouraged to highlight our differences, not the basic things we share, like compassion, community and the positive power of people who believe in doing what's right, it was amazing to watch so many buck the trend and do something selfless.

God bless you Fernando, you did more for us today in reminding us what can be acheived in positive movement than we can ever repay.

25 Jan 2015 18:04:16
Couldn't describe as well myself mate.
You'd have to have a heart like a lump of putty not to have had a wee tear in your eye today.Not had a buzz like that at Ibrox since we stopped Selik having a title party in 2012.Well done Bears,done us proud.Great day.

Football can be emotional. For the greats who have ill healthand the unfortunate deaths of our football greats Wee Jinky , Super Cooper the list goes on mate. Well done to one and all inside Ibrox today and the many people who have supported players who have donned their skill in our country.

25 Jan 2015 18:08:03
fantastic post m8, emotional as I am, and you too by the sound of it, you hit a soft spot in me, I loved Nando, and his fun, crazy, carefree outlook and actions, he is an inspiration to us all, as was jinky, I lost my wee bro recently to a horrible disease, he was a big Gers boy and would have loved to be there today, he lived his life just like Fernando, although I was working today I am proud to be part of the " family" specially on days like I've been described today, we are hopefully on the brink of uprising, and showed today what Rangers are all about,
God bless you Nando, and good luck to the Glasgow Rangers

25 Jan 2015 18:26:17
For me it was remembering how good the atmosphere is when Ibrox is filled like that and things are going well, I hope the coming weeks will be stepping stones back to an atmosphere like that every other Saturday. All the very best Fernando so glad he got that crowd today very proud to be a Gers supporter today well done everyone who took park and bought a ticket.

Great post great day Great fans humbling experience watp

Tommy hopefully your wee bro would have been watching it all and enjoying the singing from the blue skies over ibrox.

25 Jan 2015 16:08:15
Barry Ferguson and Thomas buffel and nacho novo could still do
A job for the Rangers

Southside bear behave man

Aye and why not big DJ too he is still the same height and knows what a football looks like. pmsl

Former Rangers (Boyd and Miller) are currently proving exactly the old adage that retuning players are usually a huge mistake, I would say that Miller was one exception to that the first time.

i am george

{Ed039's Note - I dont think the OP was suggesting that Rangers should sign these guys, I think he was merely pointing out that they have shone in a charity match this afternoon)

25 Jan 2015 17:28:09
Exactly ED, I was at the legends game against Milan a cupola years ago, Richard Gough played the full 90 mins, he was so good I swore we should have asked him to come back, he ran the game and commanded the defence, one of the greatest ever Gers men,, but don't think these guys could cope with a return to competition football in a senior league, would be good to have one or two of Goughys s class though
Tommy

Just back from the game, awesome turnout and thoroughly deserved. Great to see legends and I was in my element explaining how we had WORLD CLASS players at ibrox to my 8 year old son who LOVED rino's style of tough play. . the current rangers team could do with taking a lesson from the technical ability of these guys.

Thomas buffel definately could.

All thanks to sdm memories are short

Ceexxx buffer was his old self eh right up for it, running to retrieve ball. hoping to win as always.

26 Jan 2015 04:10:28
Bigwull get a grip man, if it wasn't for SDM we wouldn't have gone thru all this, the man is a rat,

25 Jan 2015 14:56:42
What a turn out, proud to be a bluenose. Shows this mob on the board what this Club can be. Teddy Sheringham class act, could still be playing!

25 Jan 2015 15:55:27
Wot is the crowd like gkk, I'm working,?

25 Jan 2015 16:30:53
Tommy about 35 to 40, mate superb.

25 Jan 2015 13:41:04
Good luck to FR this afternoon I hope the occassion rises above all the troubles of late and allows people to take a true perspective of things. My three kids are going along to join what I hope is a huge crowd #respectaboveallelse

Mb1888 I hope the wanes had a good day and enjoyed themselfs,