Rangers Banter Archive August 25 2013

 

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25 Aug 2013 23:32:54
I was one of ten on Friday. I am not normally a poster but a follower of this site. I was the person with the Ranger's jacket on. I met George, Les the Real Ranger and others and listened to what was being said. I am not a dafty but a very concerned supporter who is worried about what this Board is about and their objective. Once again like thousands I have bought my season ticket and shares. All I ask is"Let me see the deeds and upto date accounts, not accounts that are three months old.

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Well said that man

though pleased to see the dolphins play
i mind my compass, and my way

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Well said friend we need to concentrate on simple facts they ALWAYS avoid answering
ACCOUNTS
DEEDS
WHERE IS THE MONEY

A few others like what about investigation into CW (house raided and Alistair Johnston PI file on him passed to Police), is he to be charged? That has to be posed to the police ffs he bought the club ILLEGALLY (ticketsus loan on basis he OWNED club) and deliberately REFUSED to pay PAYE and TAX again blatant fraud as he had received well in excess of funds needed to pay both - £1. 5 Bougey fee plus £5m excess left from Ticketus after £18m to TSB plus every home game the pay at gate and catering CASH £1.5million MINIMUM, PLUS £2. 5/3MILLION up front from Everton for Jelavic, PLUS Arsenal shares,. throw in money he saved PAYE and TAX! Plus many other deals done and at least one other player sale I forgot the name of.

Where the F**K is all that money?

I know personally this was an LF (Long Firm Scam) but ASTOUNDED fans and authorities have not been pursuing the money missing mystery? £250k to Aiden at Banstead Athletic the tip of the iceberg

george

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Yes george
a wee banner for people who think as we do

NO MORE ROGUES IN BROGUES

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George - you on right track - Green has poor history running successful companies - but good history running companies into admin.

spin for board is McColl not putting up money, while Green and Co put up £5m then take out £9m few months after. odd that?

zammo

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The opportunity to ask these questions happened two weeks ago, when fans met with directors. the so called 50 questions didn't even include, where are the deeds?
still waitng for answers to the rest. what a joke.

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25 Aug 2013 23:11:20
Media House has been appointed on a 12-month contract by chief executive Craig Mather to defend his and the other board members personal positions in the current debate over the future of the club, Media House chairman Jack Irvine then said of Jim McColl, Frank Blin and Paul Murray, "the everyday rules of business do not apply in the world of football. The media scrutiny they now face is like nothing they will ever have known in their professional lives. " This is nothing short of a threat that if they don't back off then every aspect of their lives and that of their families will be ripped open and displayed to the world in an attempt to discredit them in some way or another and the more personal the better.
This is an outrage and makes me believe that McColl, Blin and Murray must have them running scared, therefore must be stopped at all cost. What do the board have to hide, what are they scared of the rest of us finding out, why do they fell it's necessary to re-hire Media House to threaten the opposition incase they succeed and the truth of what has been going on behind closed doors comes out. The fans must not allow them to succeed in blocking the truth, we must stand up for the club before it's been stripped of everything these greed obsessed ar$h0 (£s can get there hands on, over the next few weeks we will be bombarded with negative press about McColl and Co, the papers will be full of stories of how bad they would be for Rangers and how great the current board is.
DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE.

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If he's using Rangers money for this, there is a case for misappropriation of funds as the firm are being employed, not to promote the Rangers or our brand, but to defend the current boards position. Fine, if he feels the need (and he should do) but you cannot dip into company cash for personal use.

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You would think PR company hired to protect image of Rangers the company, not the board?

very odd.

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26 Aug 2013 08:25:30
Why are you so sure Mccol & co will be much different OP? I bet you supported green then mather in turn, probably even whyte at the start, and certainy SDM during his final few years when it was clear he'd already taken the club off a cliff. The willingness of the fans to attach to whoever is pumped up in the MSM as the next saviour is astonishing. I could use other words but let's just call it astonishing. All these hard ball questions directed mather etc. Where's the demands for McColl to explain HIS plan in ADVANCE of lending him support!

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Why would Green and the gang have any fear stripping the club of all it's assets before walking away. The fans stood back and watched Whyte run it out of business (a lot of shouting but nothing more, now he laughs at us from a distance while spending his (our) cash).
NO MORE, it must be made clear to them that true supporters won't stand for this again, they must be made aware that if they continue to do this then THEY will be held ACCOUNTABLE by the masses.

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THE FANS what the whole ten of them, THE FANS could not organise a piss up in a brewery, look how THE FANS backed up George
Tam

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"but you cannot dip into company cash for personal use"
I would agree 100%, but that's what's happening, of course they will tell us it IS for the club's benefit and not to protect their asset stripping becoming public, but I now think all Rangers fans at the very least MUST believe something dodgy is going on (why else would all these investors suddenly appear and the cash disappear). McColl and Blin must get to see the accounts and the deeds to our main assets (Ibrox, Murray Park and Albion Car Park) as a matter of urgency.

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Yes the whole ten
if we bring 2 other fans
and they in turn bring 2 other fans
home game on home game
it won't be long until they will listen

no more rogues in brogues

while Murrays exit is not fully explained
while Whytes debacle is not explained
while where share money is not fully explained
while there is STILL no books being produced

but things are ok tam?

please someone could someone put the last time rangers football club put out its books? what was the date
theres a lot of money moved in and out since that time i, d guess

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It's easy to get caught up in the hype, the shouting from the board and their cronies is that McColl and Co have very little financially invested in Rangers and Mather and Co have millions invested.
I'd prefer the men making the decisions FOR our club to be doing it for the best interests OF our club and NOT for the protection of their investments or to maximise THEIR wealth.
McColl & Co don't have anything to gain in making poor decisions or selling of parts of the club to the benefit of the shareholders, so YES I TRUST THEM (at least to try and do the right thing by Rangers) and DO NOT trust the asset stripping numpties that are robbing us at the moment.

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@5 tam I take you wer one of the main men leading the fans when it was your club

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26 Aug 2013 19:10:45
guys don't blame Whyte Green orMathers or any of the current board. Guys this is all down to SDM. he's getting away with murder here. He chose Whyte to be the PATSY for the long scam. he's STILL THE MR BIG at the end . SAU8SAGE BEAR

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25 Aug 2013 23:04:49
Think the sfa are hopeless? This aft I was having a cup of tea and thought, ill watch the cricket for half an hour. That was my day over. Brilliant match. England ends up needing 21 runs off 24 balls for a record 4-0 ashes win and they stop play for bad light. Full house, soljd out months ago. Even the sfa would. be hard pushed to equal that!

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25 Aug 2013 23:03:24
Sir David Murray chose Craig Whyte to buy him out at rangers for £1.
Craig Whyte then chose Charles green to succeed him (Whyte) at rangers, green paid £1 plus £1 profit.
Wise up.
Wise up
Wise up
McColl is now being chosen.

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These people were well known company asset strippers and PROFESSIONAL deliberate Liquidators leaving MASSES of people in thousands of owed debt

J McColl is a decent well respected business man of excellent and unblemished background plus unlike CW an actual billionaire (not that we want a fairy godmother just a good businessman) to rehash the GROSS MISMANAGEMENT OF RANGERS FINANCES AND THE WAGE STRUCTURE from the top to the bottom.

Totally unfair to compare them. george

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Green chose Mather.
Mather chose Easdales.

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McColl is a gers man got to have great intension for our great team watp

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Craig Whyte said he was a Gers man to

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25 Aug 2013 20:13:32
Once upon a time there where thousands of bears, and they returned to there stadium and discovered that someone had been spending there money, and eating there porridge. daddy bear shouts who has been spending my money (no answer) mummy bear shouts who has been spending my money (no answer) baby bear screams somebody has been spending her savings! then Mr Mather and media house threaten to blow down there house?

sound familiar you bet!

only what is happening at our club is no fairy tale it is actually happening! right now every day that passes with no ACTION being taken by us is a day lost in this battle of the wills.

there will be all sorts of stories, misquotes and general bull streaming from Media House and in particular Mather and Stockbridge, to try and gain some for of credibility.

the main questions will not go away and I hear some posters saying go to the land registrar and pay for the information? that in itself is no bad idea and it may come to that very soon, but I think this board has a DUTY to serve the supporters and the investors and supply the answers to that and many more pressing questions that need answers?

we need to DEMAND answers

we want HONESTY

we want TRANSPARENCY

we want the board REMOVED

WE most definitely want to see the TITLE DEEDS to ibrox stadium, Murray park, the Albion car park and edmiston house!

I mean that is just a few of the real questions that NEED ANSWERED

what do you think fellow gers!

RR

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Great post saying exactly what we all want to know. BT

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It seems everyone is saying 'these are the questions we need answered' they won't get answered typing on here. let's ALL COME TOGETHER AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. please guys, before its too late. The different supporters groups (trust assembley ect) have shocked me with their lack of action. Join forces and Arrange a date and time for a protest together and make it well known to everyone its happening and i'm sure the bears will be there in their thousands. Unfortunatly one guy (george) is never going to set up a protest on his own. Its going to take these groups to put their names to it for it to work. I feel we are running out of time.

Yours in a extremly concerned state
GOVAN BEAR

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Pr campaing by current board to get fans to buy shares to attend agm. and vote.

why else spend £200k

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Consultancy must pay well, overhaul of mcmurdo blogg. 30 pieces of silver don't go that far these days

r. chee (archie)

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Absolutely spot on with that post we definately need to do something before the next home game as the whole situation is becoming really embaressing and George can't do it alone. We need to step it up fellow bears

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Singing fronm the same sheet Steve keep the good work up the more people CONCENTRATE ON JUST THESE QUESTIONS the sooner people will realise we are being screwed and NEVER told the full honest open truth

Accounts Deeds Where's the Money gone and when are you going to stop and leave our club for honest decent people to run

george

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What time tomorrow George?

RTID
GDog

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George don't think you are getting your message across staring to sound like chuckles more each day. Paranoid rants about all being against you promises to spend money on leaflets and be at Ibrox at a certain time last friday fans on here saying where were you. no leaflets etc. Could I suggest a spin doctor I heard Media house were very good and george no CAPITALS please in any answer

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25 Aug 2013 19:19:00
3-1 Rangers v beith Mckay outstanding.

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Haha beith juniors? I stay 2 towns away from beith, its a sh*thole!

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25 Aug 2013 21:11:22
Beith? As in, the juniors from Ayrshire?

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Wow! I bet the football world is taking notice of that. 3-1 against Beith Juniors! Brilliant. Was it away from home do you know? because if it was then that's even more impressive.

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Was this a European qualifier?

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@1 Why don't you move then?@4 they're not a bad team but not up to Kurdistan standards.

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@3 doubt the world would take notice of it but the world certainly took notice of your karagandy result.

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At 6 the world stands up and takes notice of the circus at Ibrox and oh how we all laugh, do you remember a European night?

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I travelled to Ayrshire to support my team on Sunday and got negative posts from@1, 2, 3, 4 and you at 7, what does that tell you? It tells me that it gets on your goat that we are still here and still turning out in numbers! Get over it.

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@8. it also tells me that they are obsessed!

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25 Aug 2013 18:02:34
THE NEW MEDIA APPOINTMENT?

So media house are back? Technically they haven't really left as they have been in contact with traynor and Mather and green since previously being binned!

What does this really change?

Actually it does not change anything we still DEMAND answers from the current board (before they get removed)

Now jack Irvine is supposed to put the frighteners on Jim mcoll and the rest of the investors and shareholders? I don't really think so, I suspect this is part of the divide and conquer tactic and they hope the vast majority of fans and we defiantly know the large investors/shareholders will run away and IGNORE what is happening at our club.

Will media house come out and declare why they accepted a return to rangers after getting unceremoniously booted out!
We know £200k is definitely one of the reasons please give us another.

The next issue is almost a given, Jim traynor your stint at your "second" club is over. Please when you get a chance and certainly before your next book release a statement on your time at rangers and what you actually achieved? Apart from overseeing the removal of a decent guy Lindsay Herron! And ruling with fear and intimidation what has been your highlight at the famous Glasgow rangers!

The PR department at rangers has been dysfunctional for years and the whole reason for bringing in PR companies like media house etc. is because they quite frankly couldn't run a bath.

Why keep this department? If we are spending fortunes on another consultancy company doesn't make sense unless mr traynor doesn't trust them or he doesn't know his job description.

Media house are knee deep in the skulduggery as well they know what has been going on for many many months!

Keep up the pressure!

Be at the stadium on Tuesday night and listen to "the people"

RR

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You forget Traynor glories under the title of media director. A media director who won't speak to the media. Classic.

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You wonder what he, s getting paid for?

he was offy paly wae David Murray right enough

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As I told the 10 people that turned up I PHONED JIM TRAYNOR LAST YEAR after realising what CW was up to. TOLD HIM THE WHOLE STORY I POSTED HERE AND ON SCRIBD (prior to Green) and what happened next. for some inexplicable reason a guy that has SLAUGHTERED Rangers for years gets a top PR post and £250k salary anyone connecting the dots on that one. this has been mentioned to Keith Jackson his 'replacement so to speak.

Another very damning nail in the coffin this boards employment choices AND wage structure (themselves £350k plus 100% bonus and Ally and pals £1.2m and bonuses)

It f****g stinks

george

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25 Aug 2013 16:30:15
Hi fellow bluenoses this is not really nowt to do with rangers but the corrupt SFA yes I know when you here that dreaded word it's enough yo give you the bouch My young lad played with the Falkirk academy last year near the end of the season we were told that there would not be an academy for the season2013/2014 the that the academy would be amalgamating with other teams in the central region to become the forth valley elite academy? yes wait till you here this ( all to be funded by THE SFA corrupt or what? this foreign guy Mark wotte was to head up this new venture? at least 100k a year. Falkirk who voted against us from entering div 1 now gets all youth players funded by the SFA So all other clubs in the elite have to fund ther own acadamys shocking. The academy has 3 full-time coaches 150k a year a job for the boys all paid by the sfa 12 coaches who come in 3 nights a week and get paid by the SFA absolute stinking So when all our clubs have to raise money and season ticket holders pay there hard earned cash to keep these schemes afloat some clubs ie Falkirk stenhousemuir are getting money thrown at them for me this is not good enough and something should be done Stewart regan Mark wotte (great to see they are Scottish ) should walk as they are lining other clubs pockets and there own. Ed please post this as it gives every reader how low the SFA are ) Watp a concerned football fan

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Without being cheeky or that I really can't see what point you are trying to make here pal? It actually sounds like a good idea to me and don't see how anything is corrupt about it. Maybe you should chill out for a bit and I take it you will be happy enough for your kid to get in the new academy, I know I would. Good luck to your lad, hopefully your paranoia won't stop him getting a chance in the game.

Confused Bear

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Try and see the big picture mate instead of looking for anything to beat the SFA with. Oh and I can assure you None of these coaches are on £150k per year, are you mad.

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@2 Think the op is meaning £50,000 each.

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First of all I find the post a bit confusing and I'm not really sure of the point you're trying to make? If I understand any of it you seem to be accusing the SFA of some sort of favouritism and of wasting money paying people like Mark Wotte? As someone who has completed SFA coaching badges and given up loads of my own time coaching kids football (not paid) I have to disagree. Mark Wotte has introduced so much to the Scottish grass roots game with new ideas and techniques used by teams such as Barcelona (e. g Coervar coaching). The coaching in Scotland along with the structure is light years ahead of say England at this level and the SFA and Mark Wotte should be applauded for this (don't take my word for it, look it up). The English FA are only now beginning to look at the ideas used in Scotland such as the Dutch philosophy of limiting drills in favour of small sided games and kids doing what they do best, having fun. In world football our grassroots level is being copied, monitored and Scottish coaches are in demand. Granted, fu#k knows what happens to our kids after 16 but prior to that we are well ahead of most. I totally disagree with this post, if I've understood it properly.

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@3/ They don't get anywhere near that either mate. It's around £20-25k.

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It's no big deal. All the pro youth set ups received grant money from the SFA anyway so to amalgamate and pay for one is problem no greater than the some of them all put together in grants

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25 Aug 2013 14:36:00
can anyone throw any light on the reasons given for lower league clubs not using squad numbering nor names on shirts?

It seems to me to be nothing more than the powers that be stating their inability to make logic come into running football these days.

Surly if a club wants to do it, what harm does it cause? Aren't numbers used for the benefit of referees? and they must surely count up to more than 11 though some of their decisions make you wonder!

Enlighten me Bears!

Wee Bill

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@op it's probably cause they haven't got that big a squad plus the cost to do it

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Bears what a state scottish footballs in sfa say its ok to to do the pools so if a player has his own team to lose the game that's ok what a corrupt crowd they are and rangers can't play trialists on tuesday but was allowed to play them in earlier round my god no wonder fans are walking away from the game corrupt to the core

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@2/ The trialist thing is only an issue because Rangers are abusing the spirit of the law. No one would have expected a professional team to be playing trialists when the season starts.

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Cost, Wee Bill. You just get handed a jersey with a number on it, like in the old days. As for the triallist thing, those are the rules. It was meant to give teams a look at a player for a couple of games before you went to the evpense of signing him and maybe waste money. Because the rules don't suit you doesn't make them corrupt.

Paddy Malarkey

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The sfa ban was illegal so they are corrupt look at hearts and dunfermaline and tell me i'm wrong

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@3 abusing the spirit of the law? What are you on about? Rangers didn't make the rule up and are well within the rules in the same way as every other club could do. It's up to the authorities to close any loopholes. Are you just on here to have a go at Rangers?

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25 Aug 2013 18:21:02
4) Paddy I see where you're coming from but surely it should be choice by each club whether or not they do it.
I just think it looks a bit better - if the club can afford it, but my point was based on the fact that I believe it is a stipulation by the authorities that clubs are not permitted to do it.

cheers
Wee Bill

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@5 - yur wrong!

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@6/ You really need it explained? Rangers are not giving these players 'a trial'. They are signed but cannot be registered. You really think that's not abusing the rule? The clues in the name 'trialist. Daly scored two goals v Airdrie, in the papers he was called 'trialist'. Come on, don't be so biased.

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@9 sorry but your missing the point the rules state you can do that otherwise Rangers would be in trouble with the authorities. Any team can do that and I am sure other teams have done the same. Again it's up to the powers that be to change the rules but I bet they wont

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@9 until they are registered then they aren't signed. A player is not fully signed up to a team until they are registered with the authorities. So Daly and Law are playing as trialists and within league rules

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Wee Bill,
Rangers were allowed to field two trialists in the 1st round because of something that happened in last year's competition. Normally, trialists are not allowed in any of the cup competitions but last year following the confusion of transferring players' registrations to the new club, Rangers ended up fielding two ineligible players in the 1st round match. The authorities then had two choices - throw Rangers out of the competition or change the rules retrospectively to allow trialists for the 1st round only. They chose the latter, which set the precedent for this year (and presumably future years if the rule is not changed back).

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25 Aug 2013 14:17:21
so mather pays 200k up front to another pr company to talk for our club its a absolute discrace this is just another stunt to discredit mccol murray and bling and cumfuse the fans any of u that beleive anything that mather or jack irvine have to say should have a long hard look at ureself use are the ones that are going drag the club under just like all the other loan sharks taking money out the club look at all the people that have tain money out our club all close friend of green if we allow this to contine admin 2 will come calling we have created a bigger wage will bill than last season the money doesn't go up that much to cover costs we wer already lossing 1 mil a month the only way we get our club back is marching on the streets not by backing green and his cronies any1 that backs them is off there heads the have lied on numerous ocasions

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Hi Ed. Any chance of posting this as a main post please? I'm away from PC and on tablet and for some reason the post button is not workig.
First of all l'd like to address "george".
Hello m8, let me start by acknowledging what you've done so far. If nothing else you've hopefully woken a number of us from our slumber.
Can I just say though the "Long Firm" terminology is technically incorrect. This describes a credit card scam.
The terminology you should have used is "tunneling".
It is quite common and although immoral it is not neccesarily illegal. The question is whether it is being done to benefit or harm the club. Bears can look this up on the web and imo this describes more accurately what may be going tunelling and asset fraud". {Ed001's Note - I am not at home either so also on a tablet mate. I will get the issue looked at re posting.}

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Just checked out "tunneling" and I think your right, but it's 6 n half a dozen to us supporters. Either one was likely used to " Ring fence" the assets which was definitely to our benefit (but not to the tax payer) in the liquidation scenario. But we have no assurance whatsoever that these same assets have been returned to the new Rangers holding Co. And was it even legal? Who is the OWNER? I fail to see how the current estimated cash drain is a benefit, we are talking about a LOT of money in 12 months, never mind the past two years.

Cheers for sharing that, I knew Long Firm had moved on but had no idea how to define it. Heres a link that describes the process from a guy who claims to know whyte. Note the date, pretty much predicts the next move. Scary!

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/rangers-in-crisis-jailed-embezzler-blows-1116799

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@2 is Aye Ready

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25 Aug 2013 14:09:09
Regardless if you loathe or love Uncle George, agree with him or disagree then one of his points remains the same, we as the fans have a great deal of apathy and we all agree on one point. Who holds the deeds to Ibrox?

This in it's self should be enough to generate a mass demo of fans demanding to know who owns our stadium.

Anyone disagree? If not then let's get a demo on that one singular point. Off out arse time before it's flogged off and we rent out own patch back from another shyster.

UP OFF OUR ARSE TIME

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Well said Craig I agree let's focus on one issue at a time and get the fans behind the one issue, then when we get the many fans that we need we will demand answers on the various issues that need to be addressed, so good on you, by the way I will be there on Tuesday at the game anyway, and I will hopefully see a better response, LES, AYE READY and KINGB see you then

RR

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Well they gave the fans 50 questions and nobody asked about ibrox so can't see people demonstrating to see deeds just saying

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Here Here. Agreed the Long firm is no longer used, because like a virus it has evolved! All the more reason to stand up together as one, and take our club, and all it's belongings BACK!


We are not going to strike. We are not even having a sit-in strike. Nobody and nothing will come in and nothing will go out without our permission. And there will be no hooliganism, there will be no vandalism, there will be no bevvying because the world is watching us, and it is our responsibility to conduct ourselves with responsibility, and with dignity, and with maturity.

The late Jimmy Reid.

Sorry couldn't help myself, I love this speech, it says it all. Oh for a few like him in our ranks. c'mon Lads n Lassies.

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Ed, replied without logging in (a couple in fact) with no name. New to this log in business. Doh! {Ed001's Note - easy done mate.}

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Why don't you club together and complete an online Property Search enquiry with the Registers of Scotland. If it costs more than £20 they will contact you. The Registers of Scotland hold all the information on land and property in Scotland and any conveyancing has to be registered there. At least it might give you an insight into what you are looking for. Alternatively employ a solicitor who works in conveyancing and ask him/her to carryout the search.

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25 Aug 2013 20:28:05
The jimmy reid man, I met jimmy reid in a supermarket mall in italy 1990 world cup it was the brazil game in turin, well it was pishing with rain & he had his the with him the old guy was aboot 90 & was soaking, so they were in for an umbrella for the old man, super jimmy would nae buy him it because it was 2 dear miserable *******, solidarity brother or the but you'll get get soaking like me the old boy probably caught pneumonia during the night cheers
Andhol bears

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Surely someone in the Registers of Scotland would have 'leaked' this info by now given all the concerns raised by the fans - there will be many Gers fans working there - the press would have it and we would all know by now if it was so easy.

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25 Aug 2013 12:55:59
to all and sundry here. just a thought, if mccoll n murray own just a small %percent of shares and all the other like-minded rangers fans who own small amounts of shares, then why don`t they all bang their heads together, build up a big enough shareholding and transfer all their shares to a true ranger as george has mentioned in his earlier posts, a man who could unite every true ranger together and speak for one real true voice, non other than the only real true captain MR JOHN GRIEG. just a thought mind. n that`s the truth the whole truth n nothing but the truth.

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McColl got 25% of shareholders to sign the motion for the EGM request. so he has backing of serious investors. and the chase is on.

1-0 to McColl - as board have had to admin they don't have £80k to host EGM,

and then board spend £200k on PR campaign to publicise how good a job the board are doing

2-0 to McColl - and just two quotes to press and no money spent

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ED CAN YOU POST THIS IT HAS SOME SOLUTIONS TO CONFRONTING THE BOARD FOR ANSWERS:

kingb sorry didn't mention you other day amigo I was just fazed by shock only 10 people couldn't think straight and was half between laughing and crying. mate I am not an authority on logistics of vote proxy rules BUT I am seeing my lawyer on Monday as I explained to Craig the Burley (my minder lmao to fight off the hundreds fans!) SO I am going to put some ideas I have had to him such as SHARE HOLDERS giving the POWER OF THEIR VOTE (without transfer shares) to a nominated person - IN MY VIEW JOHN GRIEG but having spoken to Craig the Burly he says Grieg been not very keen to step into the limelight understandable this is a young mans job which is one reason I am going to propose a man we ALL LOVED but is a neutral INTELLIGENT man always a 100% gentleman and polite well spoken RESPECTED BY EVEN THE EAST END MOB - Brian Laudrup. he is in my mind not going to do a John Brown (ideas right but his performance and LANGUAGE in the PUBLIC EYE ON MOBILE PHONE VIDEO was deplorable and an embarrassment to the memory of Bill Struth and Jock Wallace 2 men with working class roots that could put a point over POWERFULLY and with COMPOSURE and without resorting to the F word (aye I know that's part of reason I am worried to speak on Tuesday as I lose it and would be likely to turn the air BLUE ironic :-) SO I am PROPOSING TO EVERY BEAR ON HERE TO think on this? Barry Ferguson and Grieg would be likely to lose temper too due to PASSION FOR Rangers FC not a fault but not what we need to be our FIGUREHEAD and LEADER. I am going to post on SCRIBD the emails of persons that will HAVE to take notice IF WE AS A UNITED RFFR PROTEST email in our THOUSANDS not vitriol and hate JUST SIMPLE
1/ WHERE IS THE MONEY THAT IS MISSING
2/HOW DID CRAIG WHYTE BORROW £23MILLION AGAINST RANGERS SEASONS BEFORE HE OWNED CLUB (thats like you going for a MORTGAGE TO BUY A HOUSE BUT SAYING IT YOURS ALREADY AND LYING ON PAPERWORK TO GET THE LOAN - ILLEGAL)
3/WHERE ARE THE DEEDS SIMPLE!
4/WHERE ARE THE ACCOUNTS SIMPLE!
5/WHAT IS THE CURRENT STATUS OF THE ONGOING INVESTIGATION OF CRAIG WHYTE (this will be to MPs and Police)

I think MASS PRESSURE BUT NOT WITH THREATS LIKE IN BILL MILLER CASE THAT SHOWS US UP AS MORONS. Just clear simple questions that deserve answers and that fans groups never asked properly.
People take notice in high places when their email inbox is filled with 50000 or more (Manchester 250000) people making same demands POLITELY AS POSSIBLE PLEASE BEARS.

Yours in Rangers Rangers Fans For Rangers . george UNTIL TUESDAY PLEASE UNITE AND STOP BICKERING
I HAVE PRINTED OFF 3000 FLYERS AND HOPING LOTS MORE FANS WILL DO SAME OFF SCRIBD SITE WHEN I POST THE FINAL PAGES ON MONDAY to hand out at Ibrox TUESDAY 5/7PM BETTER THAN ANY SPEECH I CAN DO AS I AM WORRIED WITH HUNDREDS OR THOUSANDS HOW TO BE HEARD WITHOUT SHOUTING LIKE A MANIAC lafs. george

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There was a wee Austrian guy once, he had no social skills and struggled in life. He came alive when he started delivering speeches, sometimes being described as demonically possessed. Hopefully you don t follow his example though, stamped over everything and everyone who stood in his way-or believed to be against him. These times are coming again soon. On a lighter note, can you wear your chaps this time with those boots- arse in or arse out, up to you.

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Yes we should go with a western theme
rename george sundance and all sing marching through Georgia after the meeting. o wait a minute

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Is it a cowboy theme or is there room for the indigenous peoples of the America, s

chingachook

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Nein mister anonymous! cowboy boots to kick out cowboy directors and I have no intention of extending the protest to Pond, Czechoslovakia and Hungary we are banned from Europe for minimum 3 years!. your favorite dictator Kaiser Billy. RFFR RTID (george)

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25 Aug 2013 12:50:55
Mather you could get anyone alive to try and stave off McColl group, it would not matter you will be out in your ear nothing surer most of the fans hate you and your kind, I hope your paying for that clown Irvine out your own pocket and not from the ST sale, just hurry please and **** off, oh and another thing take that ar5e licking cnut McCoist with you on the way out, he is not wanting the EGM to go ahead because the fans are going to see the real McCoist, and ally certainly does not want that. oh and one more thing can you switch the lights off on the way out, save a bit of money.

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Spot on mate
One thing I am very wary of though I agree 100% on the £2m DOLLAR man Ally 'if ahm asked ahd think about a wage cut' McCoist (FFS ever heard of volunteering to do it and show fans you not a money grabbing mercenary). BUT a lot of fans on here BLIND FAITH and I do not want to lose them in geting BOARD out FIRST they are the MAJOR reason £20 spent not McCoist HE HAS NOT HELPED AT ALL with the "I will spend £10MILLION if I get it to SAVE MY JOB AND DURRANTYS oh and that baldy guy that talks to me during the games about tactics and stuff on that clip board thingy". BUT as I say we need 100% to BIN THE BOARD. a new SENSIBLE board will HAVE to reign in finances and as such McCoist will have to win on ability not buy success that will get him sack before too long as ANYONE with eyes that knows what tactics and being a proper gent to front Rangers in press knows Ally has none of these attributes at all, CURRENT line up is eaily enough to see us through this league AND the next league IF WE AVOID ADMIN AGAIN BEARS the McCoist will be found out IF I AM WRONG AND ALLY TURNS IT ROUND FERGIE STLYE I WILL GLADLY EAT THE FLYER I HAND OUT as I only want a winning team and a respectable board NOTHING ELSE. george RFFR

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Sorry George do not agree with your summation of Ally. Lost a bit of your credibility there mate. Who sent you up from London, not Green by any chance.

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Yeh George, not sure about Ally opinions. He's a football man nothing else. The board should be your one and only goal.

Ally IS the man for Gers right now and the foreseeable future.

RTID
GDog

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25 Aug 2013 12:42:59
I hope that worm Mather is paying for the clown Irvine to try and stave off McColl and not the fans or shareholders money, your wasteing your time you have no chance, the fans hate you and your kind, its only a matter of time b4 your back over the border with the rest of the trash, with your tails jammed between your legs. Good Riddance.

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Anonymous exports saying long firm impossible.

Yet everything george says matches the facts, and credit was possible (whyte got £14m in credit from HRMC) in 6 months.

Archie

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25 Aug 2013 14:09:48
Not a huge Media House fan but to be fair to them they have saved Ranger's ass a few times with UEFA when fans have behaved badly during European games by coordinating a response which the supporters groups agreed to go along with and for that we should salute them.

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Mather is not paying for irinve, club is paying £200k up front for 1 months work - as mccoll will cancel this contract after AGM.

so more waste from the board who spent all the money.

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Credit from HMRC? Any chance of an explanation?

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25 Aug 2013 12:13:39
Lots of shouty posts from George about the famous 'long firm' con. He is missing one vital point. To pull of a con like this you need to fly under the radar and have lines of credit. Rangers do not connect in any of these. You also need an anonymous person to pin the invoices on. Again Rangers do not have this. Rangers are firmly in the spotlight. A 'long firm' cannot be done under these circumstances.

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Come on tuesday or read sribd mate it has been done already you do not know what you are talking about. okay where are the invoices and accounts to check where craigy boy send all the money to like aiden? is that you craig?

pure personic lying uninformed and surprise surprise anonymous post. george see you tuesday? i think not armchair liar

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25 Aug 2013 10:50:48
McC and his camp have failed to get an EGM. Dressing it up as a rollover to the AGM is a smokescreen. It's the first failure. Stating its about saving £80k is such a load of rubbish. It's all out war and these guys r at each others throats and suddenly its a nice guy gesture? Crap.
Now Media H are on the job barking like Rottweilers, i'm sure McC will back off and back down. This initiative is going nowhere as the guys have no clout as they have no serious investment in the club. If u want a football club you buy it, simples. Most billionaires get that concept. Tellingly director communications JT knows nothing of the Irvine appointment. Guessing his days are numbered, as they should be. Remember the cringing day of reckoning interview? Guessing Irvine will be director comms by Christmas.

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EGM can only deal with one resolution - AGM deals with more and questions from the audience.

Fans need to turn up and turn tables on whoever is double dealing.

McColl not put money in, and not taken money out.

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This post is so out of tune with what suporters are saying. it's either a wind up, or a seriously deluded person writing from carstairs!

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Absolute nonsense!

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J Irvine being paid by the board to defend the board.

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@1 fans who have shares are entitled to attend the AGM so if you haven't got them then now is the time to buy some

JG

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Mather shot bolt - as has to 27th August to agree terms for joint AGM or AGM and EGM.

mccoll should say no deal - EGM is it if you want to spend money on PR. this will force hand.

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25 Aug 2013 09:42:17
Well Mr Mather showing your true colours, plead with mr McColl about the price (80k) of the EGM ang get approval to combine both EGM and AGM, and being tarred with the same brush as Green you give a 200k 1 year contract to some clown who has been over the course with murray whyte and green, you like green are the lowest of the low, roll on the EGM to get shot of all the crap. your clown friend is saying that they are trying to take over without buying shares, just wait till all you bandits are out off the way, then we will see

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Fans with shares need to turn up to AGM - their time to shine

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I thought it was easdales idea to roll the meetings together according 2 bbc

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25 Aug 2013 09:06:10
GEORGE (deliberate use if caps there)

Just found your funny post that you told me about

NOT amused. Craig effing Burley is that the best you can do? A few points on that one

1) I'm not from Ayrshire
2) I'm better looking
3) I'd make a better pundit than him
4) I've more teeth than him (just)
5) I was at Ibrox on Friday he wasn't
7) I hate him could you not have picked another Craig as a nickname
8) I missed out point 6 just to see if your awake

Craig (not burley) protester number 2 (BFH)

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And due to the fact your older than me and some people think we knew each other before Friday then you will now be referred to as UNCLE George the Burley protester number 1.

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Okay the we the Burly Brothers lafs. george I was more concerned your name is Craig mate not a good mame around Ibrox. BB1 to BB2

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Excuse my typos Craig I had 6 hours sleep in 3 days and now just heading to bed.

Going do small SCRIBD post now then last one tmrw night AFTER seeing your friends, the man I told you with the news on inside of proposed board takeover and finally my lawyer who has agreed to assist in anyway he can.

Hoping through your pals to find a way to email/ Brian Laudrup with a view to sounding him out for spokes person IF we unite against this board

See you on Monday amigo

RFFR keep the good fight going

Yours in Rangers. george

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25 Aug 2013 09:00:22
Again, completely off topic! But i'm sick of reading about players REFUSING to play for the club they are contracted to. SACK them as refusal to work is a sackable offence. Then SUE them for their valuation. Other players will quickly realise that when you sign a contract with a club then you are obliged to stay with that club without whinging!

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25 Aug 2013 08:36:11
To RR listen m8 I am not saying mather is a good guy & feel free 2 call him whatever you like, but not 1 person on here has told me what I am saying about the cash flow coming into the club ie the matchday turnover & sponsorship deals is wrong & the fact k. prior has said he can't see us going into admin 2 because he has seen the business plan & believes it will work, now you have said fact that mather & stockbridge are puppets for green & ahmed & they are up 2 their knees in it, if that is the case then surely there is people in places higher than us that should be shouting from the high heavens & there is people, let's say j. mcoll if I was him do u know what I would do, I would tell the whole world what's going on because what's he going 2 get done with slander whoopy do, get a fine well he has a better chance of paying it than you & me & maybe it is me being me but when ever paul murray is involved with anybody I am just a wee bit sceptical he's been in bed wae more people than an Amsterdam hooker & do you know something through everything that has happened 2 our club I have never been embarrassed but I nearly was once when paul murray appeared with the blue knights sound's like a ****in deep south blues band & he still did jacks***, so its time for these guys 2 show courage in their convictions not George who is at his wits end or the other guys who are on this site I applaud them all for their efforts & good luck but until I see blin in there & saying he signed this or that of or he did this or that I will reserve my judgement, as I have said if I am wrong then so be it hands up anyway sorry for taking so long 2 get back but as I said I work nightshift cheers RR
Andhol bears

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Had you ever heard of Blin before this? No, because he is a nondescript bean counter. All of a sudden this is the guy who holds all the aces? If the cost of the EGM was prohibitive why did Blin etc not just pay the £80k to hold it and get it out in the open? Get it into your head mate, there is a reason they are delaying everything that might show the truth. You go on about sponsorship deals, no one actually knows what they are worth!

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25 Aug 2013 14:45:45
To the poster who replied get this in your head for 1 last time because this is getting tiresome having 2 repeat myself, if RANGERS have 10 mill in the bank then we still have 18 games at IBROX guaranteed which will bring in upwards of 5 mill through (TICKET SALES) a point that every1 is forgetting, now this is based on we have 34,000 season tickets, now the first game at IBROX this season there was 44,000 at the game so you work it out because I am sick of spelling it out 2 people with whom this can't register, I am also with you on the sponsorship deals I don't know what they are worth but they are worth more than last season because we had hee haw deals last year, now what I am saying is if I am wrong & the money that I believe is still 2 come in is going somewhere else apart from RANGERS then some1 tell me but nobody has so far, on a different matter now a guy in my work had his m8 up from down south on friday the guy has been in england for years & came up for the game with his son who has spent his whole life in england for his first RANGERS game well a don't think that boy will ever experience another atmosphere at game than he will have done on friday, take a bow all the fans at the match brilliant show of how 2 support your team took me back 2 my youth I was actually jealous watching it, ours in RANGERS
Andhol bears

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25 Aug 2013 08:19:53
mather vs mcColl you thoughts fans?

archie

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Murdo backing mather (and green and imran) all the way, but his site loosing fans. he claims hits still high - but that's just him and irvine looking at his site every day for anonymous commentors exposing financial tricks

Zammo

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Easily mccoll, more integrity in his bell end than that lying spiv

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An ego, power struggle game amongst corporate capitalist businessmen who couldn't actually give a f@ck about Rangers or the supporters. Think that about covers it

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Mccoll for me, sells business, makes profit and business last for years. he will be our fergus.

he does not offer false money. but access to real investors.

green and cos's links to dodgy money will haunt us. spin that jack

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25 Aug 2013 07:11:14
to the anon poster who yesterday that asked what make me slag off NL just have a look in saturdays curran bun and ask the question, why is JM running around his bedroom shouting. (SOME WEE F***ING JAKEY HAS BLAGGED MA TRACKIE BOTTOMS). and then you can think to yourself, "ah that `s why the brad pitt lookalike slags off NL`S appearance.

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Good god. I would love to think this post is a joke but sadly I fear it's actually real. What are you on about mate?

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25 Aug 2013 04:02:27
hello fellow bears

I see Mather has re-hired this crettin Irvine who is (preparing to go to war) with Jim McColl and Co. we fans need to get behind Jim McColl all the way and cleanse our club of all these money grabbing ---------
and while we are at it we need to make sure this Easdale character follows the rest of them out the front door? ask any one who comes from Port Glasgow, Greenock or Gourock for a character reference and see what you get?.

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@AD1 your bang on my friend, I understand that because this is rangers first AGM then I think easdale needs to be voted on by the shareholders? Time to buy a couple of shares and ensure these torags are voted off and eventually removed before we end up with not a bean! Employing Irvine is a sure sign of panic in the boardroom and there's me thinking rangers where supposed to be cutting costs! Due to no money coming into the club! Ask George Angus (consultant at the rangers facilities department) he said it! "Quote" Mathers has shown his true colours and I stand by any comment I have made on him and his cronies

RR

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25 Aug 2013 02:34:02
Hi ED just wsnted you to post this for a bit of relief from us ALL bickering over stupid little issues WE ALL NEED TO STAND TOGETHER ON THE PROTEST FRON these persons are loving the constant squabbles between various Rangers factions.

I spoke to Craig the Burly today a few times and I intend posting everything I find out and know to be 100% FACTS on the SCRIBD site.
I will then download ALL the posts up to Tuesday morning THEN have ALL printed up for handouts on TUESDAY 5pm till kick off of Berwick game
I will do a few thousand BUT Craig suggested that after I hand out those EVERYONE join in and HELP print off 10 or 20 copies each (whatever you can afford I KNOW TIMES ARE TIGHT, I am going try talk everyone I know to do this as I can email an attachment with full posts to EVERYONE THAT WANTS TO HELP and then you just print straight off your computer if you want to help?

I have a few more ideas now how to escalate the protest and also expecting more info by Monday on takeover or sascking of current board.

Please read rest of post to see I am not all SHOUTY WORDS and ANGER :-). george RFFR
ED please post this as a main post if you can as I think it will put some smiles on our faces and take this protest forward unifying us AS THE ARGUING IS WHAT THEY WANT AND I JUST STARTED TO JOIN IN through emotion for my club. thanks

Thank you Gdog

Just woke and my head is killing me probably from emotional stress as the outcome of yesterday was not one of the versions I had played out in my head driving up.
1/ Snowy the dog turns up and talks to me about how s***e it was nobody believing his posts when he really did know walter's 2nd cousin's best pal's mate, ten he sang the sash and started playing a flute with a wee tiny donald findlay on his back. FFS. then I woke up.
2/ Just as I am starting my speech with the loudhailer I hired from "Riots'R'US", the crowd (hundreds) are singing Penny Arcade and all is GREAT, up pops Craig Whyte and he has the Arsenal shares in his hand and a lighter in the other. he shouts get it right up you ye gullible w*****s and sets them on fire, the crowd and me jump on him and kick F**K out him, we all get arrested and taken down the cells at Govan Station but we all continue singing "Where's Your Craigy Now. Where's Your Craigy Now (where's your mamma gone tune) and it was worth it to be charged with assault. FFS then I wake up. shame I liked that one.
3/ Thousands turn up with T-Shirts saying we are all george and the board resign en mass due to resultant change in the apathy shown by fans to date. FFS I woke up damn DREAMER
4/ The Simpsons appear on a sofa with rangers strips on singing "Always Look on the Bright Side of Life"!. FFS. I wake up laughing.
5/Bill Struth and Jock Wallace are standing in front of me saying "If you build it they will come". FFS, I wake up crying.
6/Baybear is there in a big comfy chair with McDonalds burgers half eaten (he is too heavy to get out his chair) and fries everywhere he is looking at his laptop and laughing, whilst I thank Captain Kirk and Scotty for beaming him down to the protest, FFS. I wake. I like that one too smiling so does baybear ;-)
7/ 10 people turn up I am scared nervous and don't put myself over as real but I have turned up as I said telling the same story meet a few people (forget to highlight kingb. mind mention him on the flyers). surely this can't be real? I wake up PHEW thank F**K that was just a nightmare.

Morning Bears just woke and on the caffeine trying to get some of you on my side that think I am mad SHOUTER with nothing but hate

I love my club that much I did rant I did get upset I did overreact but know what bears having real love makes you do things that you maybe wouldn't rationally

Rangers Fans For Rangers

I will come Tuesday though I am going to try and meet Craig the Burly (sorry mate that's your new RFFR nickname I am george (cant think of a funny one), and some of his pals and maybe see if there is a better person to VOICE my beliefs and I KNOW lot of peoples beliefs BUT if not I will do it and this time I will be myself hopfly less nervous. more posts to come will update you on meets with Craig the Burly and the man that owned a football team with inside info (hope he does not mind me saying that?). yours as ONE OF YOU. RFFR george

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Crocodile London no one thinks your a mad shouter now just downright mental haha. If your fliers worth it pal il print a few hundred and hand them out in Larkhall if I can drum up 20 or 30 people to come
On the 31st then that will be a success but really the fact is there's 1000s of Bears here but you need to start small.

Larky Bear

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Larky, Me thinks you are a mind reader. Good thinking!. If we mobilize a small core to get flyers into the hands of several thousand every match day, it'll soon hit critical mass. We just keep fanning the flame and the BIG push will be right round the corner!

George, the first flyer was a good opener. What do you think of condensing what you've got into several parts. Think tactical, cause THEY have a media machine that have been building us up an then pulling us back down nicely, nicely on the merry go round, and it's timed to perfection. Just a thought.

Fellow bears, do your utmost to get these flyers out, even print from scribd, and George don't do this on yer own. Together We Are Rangers! Get sleep, and take time out, eat, chill & refocus. One last thing, drap the Craig Burley joke! lol.

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@2 is Aye Ready

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24 Aug 2013 23:14:47
Bears, it's all pash! all of it! Green away, Green back, Green away again. Mather says this Mather does that. Jack doesn't speak for this club, Jack does speak for this club etc etc blah blah blah.

Divide, discredit, confuse, good cop, bad cop, greatest fans, worst team in history. Just waffle! just having a laugh at our expense. Nothing that you read in the msm is there by chance. It's information being fed to us, designed to cause maximum chaos and confusion while they get on with the job in hand.
Think USA invading Iraq, think of what the media fed us. Dangerous tyrant with weapons of mass destruction. What did they find? nowt but an old fellie hiding down a hole waiting to be done in. Why? well they'll have you believe it was because he was a dangerous tyrant which he may have been but that's not why they invaded. The invasion was about the control of oil and money! always is! They didnae bother about him being a tyrant when they punted him guns, planes and tanks did they?
Where there's war there's money to be made. Always has been, it's a strategy as old as time.
Right now Rangers are at war and they're all playing a game. Green camp may be Iraq right now and McColl the USA but ultimately we are the people and we are the ones who always suffer in war.
Box clever, stay frosty and as Chuck D said "Don't believe the hype"

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@op good post bb but we all know the yanks need us British to sort the war out lol

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