Rangers Banter Archive April 25 2017

25 Apr 2017 19:56:05
After the old firm game, pedro should look at giving zak rudden and doodoo the strikers positions as garner and waghorn just ain't cutting it.
And should get the young lad atakayi on the wing and give burt and windass a run of games in midfield with either mackay or beerman as other winger.

25 Apr 2017 21:47:59
I think we should definitely get those boy in this season but maybe not blood them in the Old Firm game. Could knock their confidence to he'll if they play poor on the debut

26 Apr 2017 00:35:02
Get what your sayin Matthew but I think win or lose putting these young guys in would benefit them long term. Also say we look at building a tight team that we definetly think can push for the title nite nxt year but the season after! Then to me players like Beerman Bates Atayaki Burt and Rudden there was another lad that was on bench against the Sheep his first name Aiden.

Anyways these lads do have potential and I'm sure most do then we must give them game time. We are not expected to win the Lge nxt yr BUT we will want not only 2nd but to see an improvement on the pitch. We cannot drop these players just because of a bad performance as some of the current squad have been given chance after chance.

We must show dome belief in these young guys and let them play together over nxt season with obviously a mix of experiance, but we find ourselves in a position Financially that fate has it these lads could be our answer. I KNOW its wishful thinking but give them a chance! These lads along with Rossiter AND Dodoo could become a top team and save us Millions!

So with Bates Beerman Atayaki Burt Rudden Aiden in squad with Fods Wilson Wallace Rossiter Holt Dodoo and poss Windass Crooks add Nico and Miller for only nxt season then Caixinha has to fill the positions with signings of a certain level and not 7-8 £200-300k players and rather 3-4 £1.5-2m ones.

Again I'm lookin at Season 2018-19 and a team they has grown together and knows how each other plays and are determined to knock the tic off top spot. Always bringing in new players sets us back AND at end of the day there's no point bringing in some of these foreign players that are no better than what we have at Auchinhowe!

We are too scared to put some of these lads in due to their age and in my opinion when it comes to age and a physical presence then the back line does require it but to have pace and technical ability down the wings up front and an Att mid it differs hugely!

Look at the size of the lad at Chelsea which won EPL player of the year plus we are in this financial situation so let's believe in these lads and give them a DECENT chance and not buy a dozen players from 2nd Division sides from Europe not saying not buy any but what's the point of Auchinhowe and Development Coaches!

26 Apr 2017 08:06:17
Andy1872. You are so right. I've been banging on for months about giving one or two youngsters a chance and always get shot down. The old adage if you are good enough you are old enough should apply! Warburton's useless signings have had their chance so let's turn to our youngsters for the rest of the season. Believe me, Celtic are not brilliant, they are having a free run right now but that must and will change next season. If Rossiter and Kranjcar are fit they will be like two new signings and don't forget about young Hardie out on loan. He is a goalscorer.

26 Apr 2017 09:13:57
Hardie hasn't really scored that many for Raith Rovers this season. Don't think the young players you mention are ready for a game against Celtic especially after the semi final. It would take a very brave manager to play them

26 Apr 2017 11:54:59
Bengy25. I've watched with despair the efforts of Waghorn and Garner and they are useless, as have been Halliday and Kiernan. Look at how well young Bates and Beerman have done coming into the defence. I couldn't fault Bates on Sunday. Beerman was left exposed but that wasn't his fault. I'm not saying play half a dozen youngsters all at once, just maybe play Burt from the start then bring on one of the forwards later in the game. If Toral plays the holding midfield role then Holt, Hyndman and Burt can make up the midfield quartet. Dodoo also deserves to start as he looks capable and lively.

26 Apr 2017 15:44:24
It's all good in theory bringing all these young players through to the 1st team Andy and I agree with you to a certain extent, but let's face it I don't think we will win the league with a team for of youngsters right away it could take 3 to 5 years minimum in my opinion for them all to gel and be strong enough for the demands of the Scottish and premiership and that's before you take into account the demands of our fans.

I think for now getting young Beerman and Bates used to playing in the 1st team is a lot for us as a club at this moment in time with maybe adding just another 2 at most just to slowly integrate them into the first team for next season, but yes I would love to see all the younger players getting their chance but as I say I just don't think we have the time for a full team of younger players.

26 Apr 2017 15:50:34
Andy1872 aiden wilson think he's a centre half.

26 Apr 2017 16:10:56
Notice u say waghorn is useless but he has more goals in less games than the precious Miller.

26 Apr 2017 16:13:14
we are not certain to finish in a european spot as our results against the top half have been poor to say the least so i wouldn't blood these boys in at this stage of the season.

i always think that the cup games are the best for that (not the scottish cup)
because the league is no.1 priority to us and we need to get back to the top i wouldn't blood these youngsters untill we have cup games to see if they are any good

26 Apr 2017 21:15:03
Cee

Waghorn's goals have come against poor opposition. Miller has scored against Aberdeen and Celtic. Something Waghorn has failed to do and he has missed a good few sitters against both

26 Apr 2017 21:21:41
Cee

Waghorn has scored 5 goals against Hamilton, 7 against lower league opposition and 1 against Motherwell, St Johnstone and Inverness. Hardly the mark of a top striker. He has probably ballooned 5 times the amount he has scored over the bar and most of the time is from 5 or 6 yards out

27 Apr 2017 13:03:28
Still more than Miller what's your point?

25 Apr 2017
New image uploaded to the
Rangers Player Sightings page entitled, Anyone in the celtic end you recognise?

25 Apr 2017 18:46:21
Not him

25 Apr 2017 19:28:57
Who's it meant to be then?

25 Apr 2017 20:01:04
Not a clue? Let us know

25 Apr 2017 19:25:57
Who are we supposed to recognise?

{Ed033's Note - It seems the image uploader would like you to see Billy Gilmour

25 Apr 2017 20:11:15
What? Billy Gilmour age 44 1/4?

{Ed033's Note - If you go to the Celtic Sightings page, then this same image was uploaded with the title of, "Billy Gilmour supporting his team."

25 Apr 2017 23:24:50
It's not him.

25 Apr 2017 15:03:13
Willie Henderson saying that we need at least 50 million spent on players to compete with Celtic and he would only keep four of the current squad. Pretty much what I was saying the other day just a putty it's never going to happen.

25 Apr 2017 15:27:49
I think we need to spend £500m to have a chance of winning the champions league - can't understand why the board don't just get the chequebook out - are they fans or what?

25 Apr 2017 16:04:24
25m and we could get very close.

For Saturday we need to play

GK Foderingham
LB Wallace (if Fit, if not Beerman)
CB Hill
CB Wilson
RB Tavernier
CM Holt
CM Toral
LW Dodoo
AM Hyndman
RW McKay
FW Miller

25 Apr 2017 16:19:04
BR65 why would the biard get the cheque book out and invedt £50mill that they can never get back? Clubs need to live within the funds they generate. Look at the reports coming out of the Craig Whyte trial. I suppose its ok to get the club in the same position again? Do you want admin 2 becsuse if that happens again thete will be no club full stop.

25 Apr 2017 17:14:58
Sensible response Johnnymac. We don't need to start spending money we don't have again, we do need better players and I hope King and Co are able to finance that.

25 Apr 2017 17:26:48
With the level of finance we can afford I don't think it's going to get us close. Celtic are no doubt going to strengthen again to widen the gap

25 Apr 2017 17:34:14
Think you guys need to read BR65 post again.

It has obviously gone over your heads

25 Apr 2017 18:01:09
I assumed that sarcasm was afoot in BR65's post. 👍

25 Apr 2017 20:42:03
You got to laugh sometimes!

25 Apr 2017 08:24:15
How about this team for Saturday (4-4-2):
Foderingham; Hodson, Bates, Wilson, Beerman; Toral, Hyndman, Burt, Miller; Atakayi, Dodoo.

25 Apr 2017 08:42:27
Playing 4-4-2 was the reason they ran over us in midfield. They had 5 in there. We need same.

25 Apr 2017 08:45:56
Throwing Burt and atakayi into an old firm with no first team experience wouldn't be fair in my opinion

25 Apr 2017 08:52:18
Bates did OK and if Beerman had support he did OK too. How could it be any worse?

25 Apr 2017 11:10:08
As daft as it sounds, we need to go man for man with them. i lost count how many times Beerman was doubled up on

25 Apr 2017 11:37:08
Bates needs to be dropped for hill.

25 Apr 2017 13:10:18
Team should be

Fods
Hodson Hill Wilson
Tavernier, Holt, Toral, Beerman
McKay, Miller, Dodoo

25 Apr 2017 13:11:04
Doiger. Thought bates and beer man done well but they did have few first team games under their belts. Taking kids out of under 20,s into an old firm could hurt the rest of their career. 1 young player coming out of the 20s into a well established successful team could work but the way we are the now I don't think its fair. By all means give them the last 20 or 30mins against the rest to get their confidence up though.

25 Apr 2017 14:47:30
4-5-1.fod/ hodson/ bates/ wilson/ beerman. tav/ toral/ holt/ hyndman/ mckay. miller. that's the best i can muster up😂

25 Apr 2017 17:57:09
Swany 9. You make a good point. I suppose I was being slightly tongue-in-cheek when I posted but the point being that Waghorn, Garner, Mackay, O'Halloran, Forrester, et al have had their chance and are useless. Perhaps O'Halloran hasn't really been given a chance. I think Bates and Beerman are good players but wouldn't argue about Hill replacing Bates on Saturday. Oh for full backs like Bobby Shearer and Eric Caldow!

25 Apr 2017 19:07:42
After the old firm game is over doodoo and zak rudden should play up top with atakayi ocuping one of the wing postions with burt and windass also getting a run of games we can not do much worse

25 Apr 2017 19:08:13
superally i like your thinking
although i'd go
fod
three cb's bates hill wilson
two wb's tav beerman/ waldo
cdm holt
rm mckay
lm forrester
up front miller and dodoo

i get he is greedy and a bit inconsistant but forrester is direct and also dangerous plus unlike others he isn't scared of a 50/ 50.
i think given game time he can be a brilliant player for us

25 Apr 2017 19:08:15
Its not about who we play and what tactics we deploy or players positions. let's face it they are ALL average. Its about ATTITUDE. Bit like the so called diddy teams we faced coming up through the leagues and the season before last in championship. They ALL had attitude. Not much skill but no FEAR and on most occasions gave us a fright and on numerous occasions to many yo mention took points from us. We need players to go out there fight line hell for every ball. Run till their lungs burst and then run some more. that's what Rangers v The Darl Side is all about. Tactics? Font make me laugh.

25 Apr 2017 19:49:10
Forrester and McKay are part of the problem, never a solution. They are pretendy players.

26 Apr 2017 09:19:38
Wee-ecky

Would also add Windass to that list of 2. Although would rather see Forrester play ahead of Waghorn or Garner

25 Apr 2017 04:15:41
So no one else noticed that their wing backs had ltd success. For all their possession ltd success thro the middle. The goals were scored from long balls only. Seems obvious. Decent cb decent hustle and decent closing down broon from cf's which was the job PC had given them.

25 Apr 2017 05:47:47
Tbh, they didn't need wing backs! One thing that did worry me was the zonal defence at corners. 6 men along the 6 yard line no one on the posts, and allowing them to have a 10 yard run at any high ball. Was amazed they didn't really threaten. Think Brenda might have noticed that unfortunately.

25 Apr 2017 06:48:55
Ive got to admit that zonal defending gives me the fear

25 Apr 2017 07:25:52
Will never understand why any team does zonal marking. It should be old fashioned Man for man so every player knows who they are marking and if you concede then it's clear who was at fault. Don't know why some coaches try to over complicate something so simple

{Ed001's Note - if you understood zonal marking, then you would also be able to pick out the man at fault. Just because you don't understand something, does not mean it is the problem. If players are switching off, then it does not matter what system you use, you will concede chances. I am pig sick of people moaning about zonal marking when not one of them understands how it works and think that the morons on Sly are correct when they blather on about a player being ignored because he has left the zone and all the other nonsense crap they send out to the people watching. There has never been a team that ever in the history of the game did not use some form of zonal marking as part of their set piece defending. They may have used varying degrees of man to man as well, but they always have some zonal within it.}

25 Apr 2017 11:12:03
I just don't like the fact 6ft 2 guys are getting a free run from the edge of the box like there 2 CBS had on Sunday and should have done better with.

25 Apr 2017 15:39:31
Ed

How can you say there has never been a team in the world that hasn't used zonal marking? Are you up to speed with tactics with teams in Honduras and El Salvador use? How many games have you been to Angola and Zambia to see how teams in these countries set up?

{Ed001's Note - because a man marking system still uses zonal within it. Men on the posts are zonal marking. Usually there is a man stationed ahead of the near post, who is zonal marking. I can say it because I know it is true. No team has ever set up with all of their players man marking an opponent and had no spare man zonal marking.}

25 Apr 2017 16:26:58
I agree to an extent Ed but none of our players were marking, they were all standing in a line along the 6 yarder. Yes, technically every team does do a form of zonal I. E;the posts, the edge of the 6yd at the side which the corner is taking but none of our players actually had a man

25 Apr 2017 19:04:00
Wearerangers, no one else noticed maybe because we never played with wingbacks we played with full backs.
2 Goals long balls?
Why was it not a great long pass it was the first of the game and took your defense out.
Ask any manager and they will tell u that they hate losing a goal like that because its schoolboy defending, 1 pass and we are in, bring it down lay it off, goal not a defender even got near to challenge.
2nd goal was a break away no long ball, 3 passes and we are in, schoolboy defending from Tav if he stays on his feet he can force LG away from goal, but no go to ground and take him out.
None of that is good defending.