Rangers Banter Archive November 24 2012

24 Nov 2012 19:59:58
just want to say well done john hartson really good post in the sun he spoke the truth. also a massive well done to caley that must make them the best club in the world now ha ha
trueblue

The bet the worst team in the world fake rangers.Henke7

I like big hartson . he should have played with Rangers but we messed that sighning up big time , but i think john has a dislike for us because we didnt sign him because his colum said never was a fan of RANGERS never will be .

24 Nov 2012 17:00:17
another good result for celtic today ,at last they have found out how good they are , barcelona beware all these spl other teams are after your crown lol doug t.s.o

Aye lennon is only in his job because the gers arent there

Its obvious you miss us and the spl ... oh well if yous work your way up and you might get to play in the spl yourselves one of these days ...

Cmoan peeps . Is this the same Lemmon that is the hotest property in World football after beating the second best team ever in the world. Took the huff big time after the soap dodgers gave him abuse. Sir Alex will step aside I am sure as a ready made replacement.

Spartak to win next wed because as super calley proved today, Celtic are attrocious. A couple of fluke results against barca n they think they a last 8 team. What a laugh! N before you say it wasn't a fluke, does that mean it was skill n flair when Clyde beat you on Roy Keane debut?
That is all.
The tiger

24 Nov 2012 19:07:48
Well done to Inverness today. If you look at the SPL table it is the most competetive in years, one of the reasons is the other clubs see a chance to gain entry into europe and perhaps draw a big team and make some big cash.
Also teams are cashing in on some of the Celtic players complacency after CL games, some Celtic players need to look at their attitude. Timalloy
PS a wee bit of news from TSFM their sources say HMRC are DEFINEATELY going to Appeal.

It,s all part of the big plan to make orther team,s feel better about themselve,s garlar07

Timalloy were hmrc definitely not going win FTTT?

@6 Your source at HMRC lovin it man . I think after the drip feed of info and alleged moles etc all at HMRC will be keeping a low profile for the time being.

@ 4 was that the same inverness that thrashed your wee 3rd division club ?? i get your point thou they must look like barca compared to the rubbish you watch every week

You cant just appeal a decision because you are unhappy with it after losing in a court battle, you have got to submit nre evidence and explain how it now changes the situation

24 Nov 2012 09:30:35
Great we have won the BTC appeal and I hope that's the way it stays. We the fans have had enough. But should we be calling for HMRC, the SFA etc to apologise after all it is their duty to investigate if they suspect wrongdoing. If the result had come through sooner it might have saved our old club from all this misery, but surely the old board and SDM were as much as fault for this by withholding when asked for information about these matters and the details were only uncovered after the police raided the Ibrox offices whilst looking into another incident. The two Murrays are calling for action against the aforementioned should look at themselves they were more guilty than those, and are only covering their own misdeeds. Let us not be mislead by this, they were more responsible for the loss our club suffered and may have a price to pay for yet. Whytes part in all this is well known
He'll get what's coming to him. All I'm asking lets not go and blame all an sundry till all the facts have panned out, as it surely will, mistakes have been made by lots of poeple it won't bring our old club back but might give our new club a healthy start. A question, why do players who earn £20.000 to £30.000 a week need a loan? not forgetting that SDM and Barry Fergusson made the most out of EBT's lots of questions still to be answered and BDO will leave no stone unturned.
Bobby

I have over the years been self employed. If you can avoid paying high taxes through legal maters then thats what you do. My accountant did what was best for me, as did the guys who jad Legal EBTs. There is more money lost to HMRC through sales pf illegal tobacco , clothing etc. We are all vuilty of this.

Poster 1 i was advised in 1986 to put money into a self employed pension over 3 years in lump sums which i did to cut down my tax bill of 40% ,that is what accountants are there for , not our fault if hmrc leave loopholes open for us to use doug t.s.o

24 Nov 2012 14:56:11
Bobby your spot on in your opinion ,Rangers have won their appeal .as a supporter of celtic i have been very interested in the whole story as has the rest of scottish football , i have came on here and dished out the banter, blame game so to speak , well if the shoe was on the other foot i'm sure it would be the same blame game /banter . I have learned a lesson here . I still think this has a long way to go if hmrc appeal and if there is a full a public inquiry which should be welcomed by all supporters . patience is a virtue .
good luck geo

Straw poll: Most to blame for Rangers in liquidation?

Directors Agree 22 - Disagree 5?
David Murray Agree 21 - Disagree 8 ?
Craig Whyte Agree 12 - Disagree 17?
SFA/SPL Agree 7 - Disagree 22?
HRMC Agree 8 - Disagree 20?

So even with the mighty media behind him D.Murray unable to shift blame to others shoulders, its his and directors (who he picked) to blame.

It's not the same as getting a tax bill and not paying it.
This is what Rangers did which led to their downfall, their extinction.

@2. My brother in law did own a few local companies (recession killed all but one of them off) and his accountant advised a similar proposal to your's doug. It was all about protecting his profit from the majority being lost to the tax man. It's a fact of life that business's will avoid paying the full amount of tax if they can help it, provided it is legal of course. You would think that Rangers had been the first to use such a scheme especially after the hounding recently by certain individuals - mainly pertaining to a particular football team. Will those people now be so vociferous in their judgement on the likes of Starbucks, Amazon and Google, after all they have avoided more tax than Rangers ever could. The Government allow the tax loopholes, maybe individuals should spend their time hounding their MPs instead if they aren't happy about it.

RE:PO6-Totally agree with regards to tax avoidance by Starbucks,Amazon and Google
will HMRC chase these companies with the same gusto as applied to Rangers and will it be played out via all media outlets for public
consumption,I doubt it very much.Most companies and the majority of the public have at some time cheated the tax man be it cheap fags,tobacco,drink or clothing
carried out on a massive scale and resulting in a huge loss to HMRC,also heard that alleged side contracts were for
testamonials and may not affect any SPL
scrutiny..
AJM

Poster 6 when you sit and look back at the past and think of the government taking 40% of your profit its scandlous ,its no encouragement for anybody to work hard ,i started work in june 1963 never been unemployed and still working hard today but the way hmrc treated me i hope the get the egg flung back into their faces ,they give better treatment to people coming into this country than their own citizens doug t.s.o

HRMC have backlog of 41,000 cases and £10 billion to chase.

So they need a case - where the action sof the company are so outragious HRMC can win the appeal of the FTT - as the appeal is legally binding , while the FTT is not.

DR spin has all been on the FTT win, not that winning an appeal is the real win.

@8. Couldn't agree more, why work hard for no benefit. That's what wrong with this country, work hard and put the hours in, then the authorities screw you with a large tax bill.

Aye ok ... binmen should work for nothing water board should supply you with free water teachers should educate your children for free doctors and nurses should supply medical help without getting paid ?? shut up ya bunch of spongers

It is not just the HMRC to blame. Governments of both colours, have said they would chase the tax dodgers, but they do not have the staff or give the dept the resources to do so. The present govrt is currently proposing job losses to the same HMRC while over £100billion goes away in tax evasion every year. They talk the game and that is all.

24 Nov 2012 07:50:27
Dear Celtic,

Any chance of a loan of all those empty seats you have?

Yours

Elgin city

Parkhead is empty because they are spending their money on tickets for rangers game! Its posted below...

"2.) Another Celtic 'project' where the expression "a means to an end" is appropriate. Expect plenty more of the same my zombie friends. Plans are there on how to keep up the mission to destroy your new club, we won with the original club so a brand new will be even easier to get rid of. We pity you so much that even we are follow following and buying tickets for away grounds. How many Hoops fans bought a ticket for tomorrow at Elgin? How long before ESPN get fed up is another question?"

Dear poster

Celtic have the 10th highest matchday revenue in Europe. There's just some things you can't borrow

Regards

Pure class :)

And before you all start about empty seats.
there is a boycott at parkhead today. .H.

Brilliant mate. love the banter

Hey timmy on your way to watch the 2nd best supported team in Scotland , watch you dont trip over your pettit lip.

@6 - you're factually incorrect. Only Manchester United have had more through their turnstiles than Celtic this season.

@6. Forgot to mention - these figures are for up to 24 Nov 2012.

Boycott at parkhead what for ? is it a boycott till some football is played lol what a miss by caley at the end put peter van vossen to shame doug t.s.o

@7. I beg to differ. Average home attendance league stats are as follows:

1. Man Utd - 75,457
2. Arsenal - 60.097
3. New Utd - 50,461
4. Rangers - 47,617
5. Man City - 46,743
6. Liverpool - 44, 751
7. Sunderland - 41,020

Celtic are way down the list:

Celtic - 33,724

Search the internet, the figures are not difficult to find.

Compare the ibrox crowd this year to the crowd at the same ground last year when the club really neaded the fans help ... why is it bigger ?? cheaper prices

@10 thats just bums on seats, if tickets are half-price or free - all teams would have full stadiums.

You need to multiply attendance by average ticket price to get the real figure, and in that celtic will appear in 10 ten, and rangers wont.

stats, stats, stats, prove anything with stats, and prove nothing.

Income far more important and the only table that counts.

@10 - Celtic are also competing in the Champions League?

Please take into account the number of supporters that have physically passed through turnstiles this season.

Celtic are second behind Man U!

@11 think before you bump yer gums, our average honme league attendance was over 46,000 last year, get it in yer heid we are still here

JG

@ 14 ibrox is still their ill give you that some of the old supporters are still their but your old club is not your just a tribute act

@13. Its about SPL and Barclays average league stats. The CL additions were not added since the majority of the teams (I've only shown a few) are not in the CL, and this would not be a balance to the overall results.

So Celtic have had more bums on seats than arsenal so far? Really?

24 Nov 2012 02:03:49
This week has seen a significant shift in how those who followed the club which operated out of Ibrox for 140 years deal with their grief. The grief process has 5 major stages:-

Denial; Anger; Bargaining; Depression & finally Acceptance.

This week through the ruling, we've seen the now SevBears shifting into the "bargaining" stage, "this wouldn't have happened if . . . "

Grief is a long term thing . . .

Yeh. For those that have experienced loss of a real loved one, know only too well. Not an issue to make light of. I'm sure you'll no doubt experience this yourself. That's life. Hope you manage grief well my friend
George

It seems lennon only ever stays in the denial then anger stages... Maybe you should post this on the celtic forum for him to read!

And to you,you are the long term bigot like others who won't and can't accept that Rangers were wronged because of the Btc.We accept Craig White did wrong by not paying taxes and not paying creditors,but remember he also stole from Rangers i.e Arsenal shares among other things.So you see Rangers did no wrong.Craig White did and before you say he did it on behalf of Rangers he did not,he did it for his own selfishness and greed.All true Rangers fans are disgusted with his behaviour.We also know if it was not for the Btc someone would have come in and bought the company and Craig White would not have been heard of and all this **** would never have happened.

24 Nov 2012 10:33:39
You missed one ....... Injustice! ....... I won't suggest conspiracy, perish the thought we start sounding like you lot! LB

Whats a Sevbear.?

Seems like we have eastend grief counsellors on here now.

@6. To go with east end accountants, lawyers, media consultants, fantasists etc etc.

@3 Was Whyte not the owner of old Rangers at the time Arsenal share's ( and the bike ) were sold, so was he not entitled to sell them ?
Tam