Rangers Banter Archive May 24 2013

24 May 2013 19:25:40
no excuses this year ally has his pick of players decent signings as like last year be interesting to see how it turns out if we flop it has to be down to manager hearing that the wages are not as high as quoted but decent signing on fee has balanced this out well within budget for next year get the season book forms out

24 May 2013 18:54:03
I've got a horrible, horrible feeling of deja vu. when whyte came in, he handed out big contracts to the top players, which, along with other moves, forced us into where we are now. now, we are signing up more players, three so far, more promised in the future, increasing our wage bill, but no cost cutting involved. where is the extra money coming from? it looks like we're heading straight back into administration. I wouldn't put a penny into ibrox until these parastes are out of our club. dave & hugh

No extra money required mate. Do the Maths. Sandaza, Kyle, Alexander, all gone. Goin, Boca and Cribari will go as well as a few others. I reckon this years wage bill will be less than last season.

It's rumoured the £22m got blown to get club through first year. Greens January figures said £2.5m operating costs a month, losing a million a month.
This strategy of higher operating costs with frozen ST pricing and less TV income etc for SFL as top teams leave to spl2 is very concerning to most.

Seems like a desperate effort to sell STs. Don't think we'll ever see these signings actually playing for rangers.

@3) my thoughts exactly. In here it was said no ST money until asset ownership shown, accounts published and good signings. First two not delivered. After season tickets bought (to watch these guys) if even one of them doesn't sign up on first sept there has to be refunds for whoever asks for one. It would be a false ticket sale, a spiv con.

I still say pay game by game, and not cash but by credit card day before. Auditable by hmrc and bank. Keep the power with the fans.

@3 It is a desperate effort to sell STs and McCoist is spearheading it with all his drum beating and rhetoric about moving forward, he is also taking the heat off the board yet again, if he wants us to buy STs he should be honest with us. His record of signings is worse than his cup record although both have probably cost us millions, the only reaon he is still at Rangers is because of his playing record, he's had two years to prove his worth and despite being very well paid he has failled miserably, as a club we cannot move forward with McCoist as manager he is a millstone around our necks, we should get rid of him and get a real manager who would be accountable for his performance, unlike the free hand McCoist has somehow been given to single handedly map our future despite booing crowds at Ibrox, huge numbers of fans refusing to renew STs and every single pundit saying its awful. To say that Ally wouldn't do these things to Rangers is to ignore the facts, our overall loyalties should be to the club not the manager.

@2, 3, 4&5 what a merry bunch of posters you are. Glad I do not know you personally. I am depressed enough just reading your posts

Ozzie Al

@4 they contracts are signed so they will all be there on the first of sep so roll on then but we still need to no what money's in the bank and the deeds

@6 Maybe there are fans out there that aren't convinced by what's happening Al. There are still far too many questions, none of the players are actually signed yet, that is a fact, who conducted the negotiations with the players and their agents and has the authority to agree these deals, Green could easily withdraw the offers, just think about that. There are no season ticket renewals, that is a fact. Our board investigated themselves, did you expect any other outcome than the one we had? Sadly our club will NOT move forward until Ally is gone, we need a young manager and a young team that can grow together and give us fans some pride back, if you say our club makes you burst with pride like it used to then you sir, are a liar. We have been kicked around for 2 years and no matter how much finger pointing clowns like you do the only people who are to blame are the people who ran, and the people who are currently running OUR club. Every post you make shows no common sense or even any semblance of reality, you try to force your opinion that everything is wonderful onto others and belittle those who don't agree with you and tow the party line. We need action to get Rangers back to where they belong and if that means putting a few 'Rangers men's' noses out of joint then so be it, it is 'Rangers men' that got us into this mess but it needs us fans to get us out of it. Your posts don't depress people, they just make them pity you. Open your eyes man and take a hard look at both our club, and yourself. I bought shares and have watched their price plummet, and before all the 'fans didn't buy them to make money' s**te starts, I know they didn't, I know I didn't BUT the investors did, that is why it is important. All we have so far is a string of broken promises and a share issue, there is a LONG, LONG way to go and we are struggling to take the club forward both on and off the park. No doubt you will tell me I am wrong and everything is going swimmingly but where is the proof?

Merlin

27 May 2013 01:11:52
Merlin, while you may have one or two points, your reply to another rangers fan was filthy, arrogant and disgraceful, is it only your opinion that counts, you SIR, are a very arrogant and not very nice man, TB

24 May 2013 16:42:15
Have absolutely no doubt, Daly, Law and Bell are excellent signings, let's remember the days of top money signings are over for now, these guys will do a job for us and the bonus with Daly is his ability to play centre back also, where let's be honest has been a nightmare this season.

24 May 2013 14:04:45
Good signing going forward looked good at Motherwell, hopefully get Humphrey hateley Wilson signed up ASAP!

Bell, daly, miller, law, parelta all done and dusted.

Scott

24 May 2013 15:50:17
How can Miller be signed when he's under contract?

Charles green is to be cleared of links with whyte the tv will be sad

24 May 2013 12:41:47
Seen a few complaints like oh we need a couple of centre backs, we need tp sprt out our defence first etc. Ally will know this aswell and I think he will sort it out. I think its good that were signing pleanty of attackin options as it will make players that played like fa**ys last season have to play a bit of football for a place, finally a bit of grit and effort will be installed in the team. Also think nicky law is a great wee signing. James

Are you james, or any other bears on here, not worried at all, that you can't afford what you are doing.
from your own accounts, you are running at £1m a month loss.
if you all get your wish list signed, you will have between 5 & 10 new players to kick off the season.
nobody in their right mind would buy the guys you have on expensive contracts at the moment.
so in all probability, your £1m a month loss will rise to £1.5m

are you all so desperate for success that you are willing to risk administration & liquidation again.
your fiscal policy is nothing short of financial suicide.

you all come on here blaming murray whyte green or whoever for the mess you are in, but at the same time asking for more of the same, spending money you don't have.

seriously, can any of you explain this to me. shammy

Any business will suffer initial outlays across the board resulting in losses

this loss of £1m a month is not a constant, I understand you're only working from the figures available at the moment but common sense would say that once those initial outlays are taken care of then everything else would be heading in the right direction

We lost 20 odd players, all of whom were on significant wages/bonuses etc, we brought in a handful on far lower money and also trimmed the money spent on those who stayed

I've always been a supporter of how things have went in the 3rd division, job was done and it was done with ease, but regardless of that there are still plenty who are panning the team because we didn't scud everybody 8-0

that's the nature of the beast I suppose, expectations should be relative but I understand how that could be difficult

on the point I can't see how, say half, the players on a few grand a week will do damage when the support has been phenomenal

I look on it as another form of initial outlay, on the long term, over the course of getting us back to the top

@1 you are correct Shammy. This has nothing to do with competent or prudent management but all to do with season ticket sales. Change the menu get some new names in and the gullible bears will part with their money again. Unless the two centre backs who were out on loan last year plus Cribari, Faure the Greek lad, Black and Dean Shields are moved on the costs are going to spiral even more out of control. We needed a manager/ scouting team to get young inexpensive promising talent in as the transfer ban never applied to the age of players we should be bringing in- the worrying times continue

Shammy, many of us here only care about the football. If all the predicted disasters happen, we'll deal with it then. Until then, we get on with the business of looking out for talented players that can help us on our journey back.

Bear in mind that this time last year everyone was telling us that Rangers was over, we'd never play again, even if we did, we'd not be able to get into the SFL, or the tax case would shut us, blah blah, yet here we are a season later.

if bad stuff is in the pipeline, we'll face it then. Until then, let's get the players in.

Shammy. - It's really not that difficult to explain mate.
It's called a business plan.
See the thing is with investment, it's usually based longer term rather than short term, especially where that investment is procured by way of shareholding.
Our board and manager are simply doing now, what they never had the opportunity to do last year. Invest in better quality younger players who will either serve us well for the journey back or have a sell on value in the future.
P. O. B.

24 May 2013 11:06:34
Where are we going to be if there is an SPL 2? The talk at the moment is that the current 1st division are going to " cast adrift " the 2 bottom leagues and join the SPL. What are the implications if this happens which looks as if it will ( the SPL have welcomed the overtures from the 1st division clubs ).
I am a wee bit concerned about this development for example, will the winners on division 2 ( us I hope ) get automatic promotion to SPL 2?

24 May 2013 01:53:05
Jarko Hurme is another defender out of contract at his Finish club he is 26 and has three caps for Finland. He might be worth a look at, some Finns have done well in Scotland in the past like Niemi and Eremenko. We need to get that defence sorted for next season. At least the weather would not get to him.

23 May 2013 18:11:55
Players I would like at ibrox

Ian vigurs ( nice balance to lm/cm)
Danny Wilson (staying in Scotland)
Murray Davidson (always linked)
Tom hateley ( need good rb)
Another cb needed also or keep goian ( doubt it though)


Add them to daly, bell, Clark, miller.
With McCullough black temps shiels Wallace
Hutton and youngsters like Mckay McLeod aird hegarty,

Not a bad wee squad?
What you reckon ed?

Scott

Scott, I rekon your deluded that on our budget we, d be able to afford this team. And if kenny miller or nacho novo sign I'm giving up my season ticket. We have a chance to build a young team who will get experience and learn from the older guys that are there. I really don't get why we're linked with a load I'd ex players. Only one I'd have back is Wilson. He, s young, has his career to rebuild and could go on to be captain and a 500 game for the club player.