Rangers Banter Archive May 24 2012

24 May 2012 22:33:36
Saw this posted on THE CHAMPIONS page earlier......Dear oh dear Tam..
And it's a Liverpool fan that dug it out, the whole of football are laughing at you lot!

Celtic to offer half price tickets and free nausea tablets to all who attend the remaining games for those who are sick fed up of watching the games free online cos they dont wanna watch that s*** team lol...4 in a row mofos you lot are rank rotten and I hope lemmon keeps bringing the thunder cos its really working wonders for you lot lol...and remember as one leg-end once proclaimed "This Is Only the beginning" lol I hope it is lololol muppets what do you think Ed.....
Tam-Sir 1873 In Jubilant Mood"

Been a long time since he posted anything.I wonder why? Oh,thats it he is a BERK! Jubilant mood.Brilliant

Not that long if you bothered digging more recently you clown, sure your team turned it around and deserved to win the league so well done.

Tam-Sir 1873 Takes it on the chin

24 May 2012 21:19:36
I am disgusted the way our club has been run mr Murray should have his knighthood taken from him so he is just like whight never put cash in just got a loan everytime he needed money the banks should be ashamed as well

24 May 2012 19:54:54
This may just be a coincidence but we've seen a lot of those of late. Guess who headed up cashflow financing at hbos around the time when the ebts started? None other than david grier. And hbos used to provide employment renumeration advice around this time to corporate customers through one of their subs. Hbos sold the subsidiary around 2001/02. We all know why they wanted out so quickly and were desperate to get their 18m. This story is just about to begin.

24 May 2012 19:46:30
It is well past the point where the club can survive the current turmoil. Whether we like it or not, there is only one group of people who can save the club and its reputation and that is the fans. It is time for all of the Supporters bodies to get together under one figure head and raise the cash required to pay the lawful debt.

The bottom line is we either pay for other peoples mistakes or there is no Rangers. As a season ticket holder for over 15 years I would be prepared to pay 3 times the current season ticket money and go to the 3rd Division (if they accept us) provided we pay our debts. If we don't act then we lose the right to continue this pointless complaining about everyone being against us. It is time to put up or shut up.

Mr green and his partners are in it for the short term turn around and profit over say 3-5 years. We as fans have to be in a position to recover the club at some point.

500k raised so far and you're asking for millions more? No chance. The fans would have put more in than they have if they wanted to or could.

Sorry I must have missed the share issue.
At present people are shying away from give money to Duff & Duffer. The money is stilling flowing in through the fighting fund Although most fans want to help their club we know at present that only game in town is charles green(odd name for a rangers chairman I know) and if he acheives a CVA he will get our backing when they launch a share offering

24 May 2012 18:02:12
The Scottish Premier League has set a deadline for Rangers to hand over key documents relating to an investigation into possible dual contracts.
A request was made by the SPL in March and BBC Scotland has learned they are still awaiting information from the club's administrator Duff & Phelps.
If the club fail to comply, it is understood the league will look to impose some form of sanction.
The investigation concerns Rangers' use of employee benefits trusts.
The EBTs are the subject of a long-running HM Revenue and Customs tax tribunal, which could result in a £75m bill for Rangers.

The terms of these contracts are a matter of life and death for this club. If one single player per game was incorrectly registered than the match result becomes a loss of 3 goals to 0 against Rangers. That could be every single game for a decade. How can the production of these be delayed for so long. They are vital to prove if RFC is in any way or form a going concern. How can it take fourteen weeks' to find them? Something stinks!

24 May 2012 16:09:55
I find the BBC's claims about D&P hard to believe. If they are just doing their job, they MUST sue BBC to remain credible in their jobs - otherwise they will be proven to be cheats and must be replaced immediately - bold claims indeed. Either way, these fairly wooley BBC accusations do nothing except slow down the process of selling the club. You have to wonder if the BBC are intentionally stirring up suspicion on D&P to slow down the sale? The BBC are very keen on 'conflicts of interest' recently - how about the fact that if Rangers get liquidised, the BBC are in pole position to get a very good deal on the SPL highlights next year - there are still a lot of Celtic fans at home (and in the BBC) who would watch. Also its worth noting that the lawyers representing the SFA against Rangers, are the same lawyers that represent Celtic football club. To be honest, i hope Scottish football does die and Rangers can move to another (better) league without the corruption or 'small man' mentality of all these diddy teams desperate for an old firm pay-day.

Paranoia yet again.The Status Quo is being challenged and the 'We are the people' slogan no longer makes sence.What league would take this club and their sectarian history?

So its the BBC and Celtic who are doing it again ? Did it ever occur to you that the BBC are reporting the truth ? More sanctions on the way for playing ineligible players e.g. Barry Ferguson. Whose fault will that be ? The snp ?

So its the fault of the BBC now and lawyers. The only people that Rangers fans dont blame for any of this seem to be the club itself and a man who lives in Wick.
All of the rest of us are guilty it seems. Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.

Op , i have lots of sympathy for rangers fans in general , but you need to wake up and look around , at the evidence , do you really think the bbc would have put the claims on tv if the didnt have the evidence , your club is in deep s**t , wake up rickster

The old mantra continues.......it's not our fault!
A big boy did it and ran away.
Wake up Bears.... lol lol

Hail Hail
ChrisBhoy

Did you read this post before sending it?You sound like leggat,mumbling paranoid nonsense.rangers move to a better league? And just who would want a corrupt,debt ridden,investigation magnet like rangers?

@op your a complete joke, so because your club has been caught(still to be proven and more to come out) cheating and doing side deals for DMs time in charge you say let the spl die....it is clear you are one of the fans that most ppl hate about your club and why your club will be the only thing dieing! your focus on your own club and not admitting to what they have done which im sure you still think yous done nothing wrong and the fact that this is the BIGGEST SCANNDLE in football history means nothing to you.
do you really think any league would welcome yous not just because of the sectarian part but just how yous cheated alot of clubs in eurpoe. for you to think that this has something to do with Celtic(and by the way lawyers must act ethicaly, which you and your club do not know what that means, to each client) shows that you seem to have more hate for Celtic then anything else and you think everyone is going after your club for no reason. i and many other football supporters will be glad and take pride in knowing the fact that once your club is done that it would hurt you more then anything else, the bad thing about it is the TRUE and DECENT fans will suffer losing thier club and that sucks for them. so please take your club and yourself to any other league and try thier but im sure you will find yourself all alone because noone will have you.

Who lives in Wick? I'm from Wick and i dont like your tone sonny boy!
Nevis

2). What have Status Quo got to do with anything? Is it because we are in Dire Straights?

Man from Wick - its OK.....youre the innocent party.

Rangers have been considered 'The Establishment' with many friends in high places.Times they are a changing--- and about time too.Lets get all the clubs at least feeling equal and fairness in our great game.Rangers and cronies ruled the game for years and I don't mean on the park.

Ed come on and own up! When things go slow you do the old lads mags thing of readers' letters about being accosted by sex mad conductresses on the last bus to Lenzie routine. You made this up as a plant. No one can be this daft! {Ed014's Note - It has nothing to do with any of us.

24 May 2012 14:38:50
D&P given two week deadline by SPL to supply all dual contract documentation that was requested back in March. Failure to comply will result in sanctions against the club.

Source: BBC

So if that prog had not been shown this deadline would not have come up ?
campbell was doing a great job too.

SPL afraid of Rangers.Forced into action.The whole world is watching now.They must do the right thing,surely

24 May 2012 14:30:15
Saw the BBC prog - absolutely astonishing.
WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE GIVE ME A LOAN THAT I DO NOT HAVE TO PAY BACK. ( OR PAY TAX ON ). Let me see. motgage, car loan credit cards ... 100 K will do it. Listen chaps and chapesses - this is tax fraud . pure and simple

You have no idea what you are talking about, away and read up on ebt's before you spout your crap, its a loop hole not fraud, these type of schemes have went on for years and still go one today in some form or another.
Gary

Gary do you get one at your work? Or are you happy to pay a percentage of your wage while others who earn vast amounts pay nothing!

1# It is staggering the amount of fans like yourself who just dont get it.EBT's are legal,using them to pay salary is not!

@1 is right. EBTs are legal, have been used by many companies and still exist in some form today. Rangers use of them MAY have been illegal that is for the tribunal to decide.

GovanFR

Bbc never proved it was paying there wages no letters no emails toddle off timmy

@4: Rangers have accepted liability for £24m so they have admitted to wrong-doing - the tribunal is an appeal against extra fines, charges etc. The bill will be £24m minimum.

Amazing what can be said on the internet without the requirement of corroboration. It means you can say things like Allan McGregor will sign for celtic in June you dont need to back it up

24 May 2012 12:29:04
Remember a few important things people

the Scottish Government have done hee haw

Alex Salmond hates the old firm. His football bigotry law shenanigans would be a lot easier to enforce if the Auld Firm was to disapear

I wouldn't say he hated the old firm, I would say the man is trying to do something to stop all the sectarian bull that goes on, I think he is right trying to do something. Whether it works we will need to wait and see, at least he had the balls to try. Too many on both sides of the old firm pay lip service to tackling sectarianism but don't mean it or try and keep their views barely concealed the tit for tat stuff is ridiculous, and it's always the other mobs fault, pathetic, I think you will find Alex salmond is trying to unite Scotland and until all the mock outrage from both sides stops and a warped view of sectarianism in the west of Scotland ceases to be, then Scotland will struggle to move forward and create something better for future generations. I mean how does everyone think sectarianism by people who misinterpret hating Celtic or Rangers the teams , to hating the roman catholic or Protestant catholic religion. Which lets face it not many supporters of either side strictly adhere to. It's time too move on and hate the other side for just being that, another football club. Alex McI.

24 May 2012 11:48:49
So I have read many posts on here and found some ridiculous and others idiotic...

It seems that the main battle cry is that THIS IS NOT RANGERS FAULT! It is Murray and Whyte who have done this and that it is them who should be punished.

The players who took the cash should not have done this and again it is them who should do the time for this crime.

Mangers and staff all had Rangers at heart, so we can't make them accountable for anything.

Don't get me wrong, there are some great posts on here as well but for me the major of posts look like the above...

Therefore my question to everyone is this - If it is Murray and Whyte and the Players, mamangement and staff that we should hold accountable for this, then WHO OR WHAT are RFC? Simply a fanbase supporting nothing?

I look forward to hearing from the RFC fans on this?

When Irish Eyes Are...

Yes you are spot on , there is a football team ie the ones with the strips on that is who i support, on the admin side various people over the decades get the honour of being responsible for the fiscal well being of the club it would appear that the last two owners have let the football team and the supporters down , understandably all good supporters are dismayed by this let down but we will continue to support whoever wears the team colours and hope that the next owner does a better job .

RS

You have missed the point mate!

What I am stating is that everyone says this is not Rangers fault. In my opinion David Murray is, was and will always be Rangers...

Not one fan spoke out about Murray when he begin to dominate (cheat) scottish football! You all turned up week in and week out! But it is not Rangers fault!

I am an outsider in this full thing, yet I knew about the tax case 2005/06, ever Rangers fan buried their head under the sand... yet it is not Rangers fault!

Murray clearing the debt from 75m to 25m, which turns out this was lent monies. Not one fan asked Murray not to do this, in fact the ones I spoke to said that Mr Murray will always look after Rangers. Yet it is not Rangers fault!

The players were all happy to avoid tax with not a care about Rangers FC in future years... Yet it is not Rangers fault!

You support whoever walks on to the park then mate! But remember whoever walks on to the park is there because of the guy in charge... Be it Murray, Whyte or Green! THE POINT IS, THESE GUYS ARE RANGERS HENCE IT IS RANGERS FAULT FOR ALL THIS MESS!

Utter embarrassment to Scottish football and business.

Listen mate, lets get one thing straight. You are sitting on your high perch feeling good about yourself.

Well congratulations......I truly wish this does not happen to your club. You see I have no hatred. All I care about is that my club is being destroyed and has been mismanaged to a huge scale, and still possibly faces extinction!

My brothers and I have not done this. We have cheated no-one and certainly have not been privy to any of the misgivings. So if you think at any point that what is happening is fair or just then you are a fool and a bigot interested in nothing more than stirring up a hornets nest of bile.

My father, his father and his before that have all supported this club and help create what she once was. We would not have done so if we were aware of all the potential crap that has come around.

Murray claims he was duped! HE IS A LIAR!

The only people who have been duped are the Glasgow Rangers fans. Honest hard working people who followed with pride and spent a fortune.

So to be honest stick your sanctimoniousness up your backside!

GDog
WATP

I think you will find that it wasn't just the rangers fans that were duped, fans of other clubs were paying good money to watch their own team playing in a league that they were never going to win due to rangers fielding players that they couldn't afford, at least rangers fans had some thing to shout about at the time, this is why other teams fans are upset.

This is what's upsetting the whole football scene in Scotland,not to mention the wider scene.It is all so underhand and unfair --wee clubs have a hard time anyway and this carry on makes it impossible.Too many looked the other way.Happy when the trophies were coming and never asking any questions as to the club's debt.Look where we are now,a laughing stock and all because of money(or the lack of it)

24 May 2012 10:58:33
IF duff & phelps step down where does this leave our club & would they be intitled to all of their £2m?

Dunno either, but here're my thoughts.

Where does this leave the club? One step back, really. A new administrator will need to look at the Green deal and decide if that's the best way forward. Not sure the implications of cancelling the contract with Green (to sell to his newco if CVA fails) but every contract has a price. A new admin will hopefully look les favourably on any deals involving Whyte - like what does he get if the CVA fails and the shares become his again.

If D&P step down (or are forced to by e.g. HMRC) then you can be sure they will chase the £2m or whatever they believe they are entitled to. Which is the contract creditors agreed to in the first place.

24 May 2012 10:34:33
Are any bears now surprised that the legend Souness never wanted sight of Ibrox again. ho ho. curly haired crook.

Thought he actually got a bargain with Tugay , excellent player and one of Big Dicks biggest mistakes lettin him go , if he also got £30000 then Murray should be done

24 May 2012 10:01:46
No SPL Chairman can now vote to allow a New Company Rangers into SPL after last night's revelations.
It's unsound. The Scottish public don't want it.
Our Politicians need to now jump in, Scottish Parliament money funds Hampden and the SFA. Where is the minister for sport? No more SFA/ SPL Rangers cronyism.

A re-constituted Rangers will be treated fairly. A Rangers under admin will be treated with suspicion. After all would you want to start the season in a league with a club in Rangers' current state?

24 May 2012 09:28:26
Good Day Fellow Bears….

Well that documentary last night was a bit of a damp squib was it not, all it did was show that SDM used a system (loop hole) available to him, for the right reason, but in the wrong manner…

What you have all got to remember is that this documentary is based and built around journalism, so until such time as the fat lady sings…

I am actually surprised the mob from the dark side haven’t been giving it large this morning, I would have thought that we would be taking pelters from them! I was I must say extremely surprised to see who had actually benefited from the trust, what id dose do however is explain why Souness didn’t want any part of the Green regime…

Lets get it right lads, stop panicking, we will come out the other end, trust me so many had so much to say regarding our great and illustrious club, however as you can see the tide is turning, they need us, and always remember, let he who is without sin cast the first stone…

Roll on the good times, looking forward to the Peterhead sash bash, great night out.
Its great being a bear…..

Really?you chunter on about a "sash bash"! Dont you understand if D&P are replaced you will be bust.The admin procedure will start from the beginning,Green will walk and your blue knights will pick up the pieces of a broken club.But never mind enjoy your "bash".

Can't help thinking reply #1 is going to be right here. If all admin processes fail and Kennedy is still the bidder of last resort then he (with or without Paul Murray) will run the next incarnation of Rangers. Green's backers (whoever these all are) might want out before long.

You just dont get it do you, there more chance of rangers not being in any league next year, than being in div 3. That programme last night has evidence of breaking the rules which means expulsion from league

24 May 2012 09:20:12
Most amazing thing I took from the documentary was that SIR David never spent a penny of his own money, everything borrowed from no doubt his 'friends' at HBOS. Disgusting!! VEGIEBHOY

First rule of business "Don't risk your own money" Absolutely no surprise that he put no money in. Guess there are many gullible Rangers supporters that's what Charles Green is banking on.

24 May 2012 08:58:51
Why did we have to stick that self-egrandising muppet souness a bung to sign a quality player like tugay for a song btw?!?

Considering all the dump we signed over the years and couldnae get shot of. Why didn't we pass corrupt managers cash to get rid of that?!?

24 May 2012 07:41:56
Morning ed watched program about the ebt read today's papers murry is the biggest crook of them all as for the players we play for the jersey my arse they played to rip the fans off our club will never be the same murry Whyte greedy players have killed rangers murry should be striped of his knighthood it was all a big lie ... Kenny bluenose

24 May 2012 03:35:11
We get punished for whyte nd Murray. We r suffering because of whyte nd Murray. Murray nd whyte should be made to pay the bills the transfer embargo should be softer nd allow us to sign free players. They should apologise to every GERS fans nd jailed for min of 10yrs each nd a ban for life of visiting ibrox

24 May 2012 02:57:52
Fellow Bears, Greetings from a very hot and humid Singapore. What was the name of the documentary that was shown on TV last night? I am hoping to be able to view it through U Tube if someone can provide the name.

Thanks

Ian

The men that sold the jersey m8

The Men Who Sold the Jerseys

Www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01j0k6k/BBC_Scotland_Investigates_2012_Rangers_The_Men_Who_Sold_the_Jerseys/

24 May 2012 02:39:00
ed I tried to post this before, asking
how much of david murrys OWN cash
and not DEBT, was put in to Rangers.
Sadly I think we finally have a clear
answer!
The only true investors in
the club are the supporters, and it
seems lately the bank. But we must remember that
that Glasgow Rangers are far bigger
than the likes of murray,whyte & co
they are blips in time.

24 May 2012 00:03:02
Remember this is only a tv programme based on sensationalist journalism. Don't make up your mind until all the real facts come out. If these stories are true then so be it, plan B beckons and a newco with no overdraft. Guess who won serie A this year? Juventus.. Where the f were they some years ago serie C ? Loyalty is what we need now don't blame the players or manager. Support your team. I followed the gers right thru the late 60's 70's when tic dominated

Juve got demoted to serie B not C for match fixing

Dear oh dear now you are holding up the Italians as the way to do it,there is one of the most corrupt leagues going

The Beeb watered it down,there is still more to come,but what was show they can prove,not sensationalism ala the daily person with the wealth off the radar quotes