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24 Mar 2013 22:41:23
the problem is the media do not slate mccoist as they are pro the new club and will say nothing negative like yesterday allow ally to spout rubbish about he said at start of season he still needs players already getting excuses in for next season about we might lose a few games at the start till we get new faces and media focus on the Scotland match
24 Mar 2013 22:36:52
when you going to get it ally has no honour from day one of admin he followed everyone from ng. bill miller blue nights demanded names of panel even though he knew them and has played the fans as mugs to keep his nearly 1m pound wages plus bonus foe winning the turd division
24 Mar 2013 22:29:44
I say it again our youth is well short 20 points behind in all youth leagues over the years as previous posters have stated plg was attempting to change the old habits of players drinking and easy unprofessional attitude to training with players like adam and boyd ferguson hutton etc but was overthrown by wee barry and sdm was desperate to get rid of club and brought back walter in a state of panic and walter warned ally not take the job when he walked away now we pay the price
24 mar 2013 20:14:05
dont you think the way green should go about changing things would be to get of of ally's two sidekicks and get people with experince in to help mc coist,,,,, doing this might just make ally a rangers manager us bears could be proud of
McCoist is the main problem
Said it before and will say it again, get Ray Wilkins in! Done a great job at Chelsea recently, has plenty of knowledge and plenty of contacts in Europe and out with. Would be a great advisor to McCoist. McDowell and Durrant tasked with the running of MP. McDowell worked wonders at the Brendanbeu with their young talent, could possibly be the answer to all the negativity MP currently receives.
Hutton2
Why does mcmoist need another adviser? He has Walter upstairs and that is easy to see that that had immediate affect!
If mcmoist needs somebody to hold his hand, should he really be in such a high profile job? Seriously?
McCoist is about fifty yo ffs. Is it still rookie manager and playing wee boys crap being spouted?
24 Mar 2013 19:17:39
McCoist should resign immediately if he genuinely has Rangers bet interest at heart. It is one thing to fail as a manager at the team that that you love, but to continually under perform as he has smacks of financial gain over love for the club, he has disgraced himself and his reputation will be tarnished forever.
I did not attend yesterdays game and won't return until McCoist has gone
You guys really take the biscuit. Everybody knows that McCoist will never make a manager, but at least give him the dignity of winning the league.
Al
Hopefully Ally will have a look back at the end of the season and make a big decision. Yes as a footballer for the Gers he was fantastic and I loved him, as a football manager I don't think he has what is required. I cannot believe that as a manger of any football team you do not have a dossier of players you would like identified and updated continually, I'm talking about relative to your budget, Ally should have been better prepared for what happened and even if you do not agree with that statement you must accept that he should have been able to produce better results from the material he ended up with. We needed a strong manager that would crack the whip with the staff, instead all I see if a giggling jokey atmosphere in and around murray park and even more worrying at the dugout on match days. Footballers especially young ones need discipline. I don't know how Ally does what he needs to do after the walking away statement, he has made any decision very tricky. The truth is we have lost an opportunity to build a momentum based on good football and hard work, as a club we are no further forward in our climb back to the top than we were this time last year. Sadly the enthusiasm for the fight ahead is being eroded on a weekly basis. Once again as a club we are not making the right decisions for the right reasons, coaching, scouting and football management the three crucial areas and we are way off the mark in each department. Cribari? seriously. RS
Well said RS everything i, d like to say
and Al I think your right now I think its a done deal time to back of and let it run its course, I feel now we will get what we have wanted, starting to feel sorry for him just like I did with Greig. Les
Best post I have read on this forum that sums up the situation as it really is.
@3 Maybe you will start using his name then?
Tam
24 Mar 2013 16:51:16
as a manager should mccoist not be taking the blame for his boys?he trains them day in day out so should see who is upto it. end of the day players will get managers the sack. as a celtic fan i'm looking from the outside but I think mccoist is to blame. I know he's a legend but he isn't bigger than rangers. he knows he ain't got it to be a rangers manager, so whos worse?sandaza for speaking the truth or mcoist for taking a false wage and living off his legend status. he's got the fans divided were they should all be going in the same direction. time to speak up mr charles green. rangers need a leader from the top not a money minded man
His only objective was to win promotion this year and he's done that with a bit to spare which is why these performances are met with indifference from Mr Greene. he knows how inept the manager is which is why he labels the current crop of players the worst ever to wear the strip instead of addressing the root cause. it's what he does next that's crucial because the next objective will be harder than the last and the loyalty shown to McCoist & his backroom staff thus far from the supporters has effectively gone now. a lot will depend on league reconstruction but Mr Greene will do well to listen to the people he knows only too well are the real keepers of Rangers Football Club.
The truth is other managers would deliver four times as much as McCoist with one quarter his budget.
That's Greens dilemma, McCoist wants more. Walter smith is saying give him more money. person. Anybody can take that line. Green has two monsters in these two. Green needs a hungry manager who works it on the cheap.
We will make our minds up about our own m8. Were u as concerned about, macari, barnes, dalglish, brady, mowbrayetc, and do u not think your own manager has perhap the luckiest job on the planet, consider this, apart from being a constant source of anger on the touchline, whenever anyref dared o give a decision he doesn't agree with, he gets as many players as he wants,, his only feasible opponent is taken out of the equation, and he is guarenteed the league title,? Is there another manager in the world with that sort of job?, no m8. You have your manager, and we will decide about ours,,
"Our own" "lenon" - good to see free speech and debate welcome here. This is a site to discuss rangers- nowhere does it say its limited to rangers fans. It being so myopic that got you where you are today HH joe
@5 think Ally must be the luckiest manager in the world m8! Anyone else would have been long gone.
@5 we know you have been watching Celtic games like most but you all fail to see how Lennon has grown (has ally?)and is not this angry guy that you love to think he is anymore. And you talk about how the league is given now, yet the compitition is a lot harder then your league where your league should be given yet you have the hardest time against part timers. Is it one thing for one club and a different thing for yours?
@6 well said Joe! But wasted on persons like the poster @5! For people like him I am glad his old club died and the new one is heading there pretty quick smart lol
24 Mar 2013 16:28:11
Am watching Tranmere v Stevenage, and the football is better than we are watching. These guys are not on big money, why are we not looking at the lower divisions in England, but no thirty year olds, young fit 21 year olds please. {The Ed039's Note - Young fit 21 year olds please ........... sounds like a dodgy David Walliams sketch)
Op here, take your point Ed, sorry ducky {The Ed039's Note - I was joking around mate)
24 Mar 2013 20:32:45
U weren't far wrong ed, but we can't afford young fit 21 yr olds who can operate at that level at the moment, especially if they are genuine talents, tommyblue
Listen pal the standard of football we are watching is at least 4 divisons below the English Football League.
Nah yer wrong there mate. the standard we are watching is well below the English (Schoolboys) Football League
24 Mar 2013 16:25:39
The players are full time, the teams we are playing are not. Is it just me but why don't we look much fitter than these teams. You would think we should be able to run over the top of these teams and that is not happening. There may be excuses for tactics, even ability to spit a player, but there is no excuse for lack of fitness
You use the ball to tire them out. If you have them chasing the legs go eventually. A proper manager would realise this is the way to play part time teams.
@1) It is as simple as your are putting it. Better standard players should be able to keep the ball, tire them out and as full time pro's be fitter so pressing them into making mistakes. Stirling albion were playing the ball out from the back FFS! Anyone who is making excuses for McCoist is either a football illiterate and can't see what's happening on the pitch or love Ally too much to admit he needs to go. I mean this isn't knee jerk reaction, its been going on all season! Its pathetic. Even playing 4-5-1 you would push the 2 wide players on so the they're keeper' has too punt the ball thus giving away possession. Its so simple that i'm embarrassed for Mccoist. I sometimes ask myself is it the players ego's convincing them they shouldn't be running after 3rd division defenders in the quest to get the ball back or induce mistakes. I mean if this was true I would shown them the door.
24 Mar 2013 15:03:02
Alex McLeish will be our New Boss next season.
Why another ex manager? Is this the only way rangers move forward? If your a ex player/manager or needs to be a fan? From novo Boyd miller bucher etc list goes on.?
Lenny
Because you seen him in the stand yesterday?
Seen him on Goals on Sunday last week they asked him if the Aberdeen Job was one that interested him he said no he's much more interested in waiting it out to get another job in England!
Larky Bear
Hes not working for a reason
Alex McLiesh EBT was on one as were his squad. That's what brought rangers down. How can people want any of these guys back? Nobody associated with the old busted regime should be near the club; Walter smith, Jardine, McCoist, John (walk away) Greig, Paul and David Murray, Alastair Johnston, Dave king, Craig Whyte, Gary Withey, Gordon smith,
Somebody ask Ally and Walter if they had an EBT. Nobody asks that.
N5 the media brought rangers down how often do you need to be told the ebt scheme was all above board and legal cheers
@6: that's why some of the EBTs were found not to be above board and legal then?
@7 think you will find it was Mr Whyte
Tam
N7 rangers told the lnquiry about some registrations not being completed properly but all were revealed in all paperwork sent to all concerned nobody ever complained until mr lawell told them to complain even then rangers were told by people that matter that they did not cheat even the taxman get over it
24 Mar 2013 14:36:58
When k kyle was telling how his time was up at rangers, he mentioned that ally had told him, " the club was going in a different direction next season" could this mean a new management team,, maybe we are wrong, maybe ally does realise the games up and he hasn't got it, no shame in that, I said before that I don't believe ally would ignore our fans forever, he loves the club too much for that, surely, I'm thinking maybe adams at county never spoke to aberdeen for a reason, I hope so, altho I've always said davies was wot we needed, just a thot but allys words to kyle were intriging, to me anyway, sometimes there are hints in interviews and I hope that was one,, anyone else think ally knows what's coming? {The Ed039's Note - I think its just a phrase, used by businesses around the world to tell someone they are shite at their jobs but in a polite and formal way)
I don't think so. I agree with Ed039. It's common for management to say similar things to workers who they feel don't fit in any more.
24 Mar 2013 14:24:36
quote from our "manager". "on a positive note we kept a clean sheet".
win the league mr mcoist then move on. at least you will go down as some kind of hero down the road when those with a short memory will forget yesterday and other shambolic games. once the league is won bring in the new guy to get a feel for what's wanted and what's to be done to make us a respectable club again. deecee
24 Mar 2013 10:49:30
Ally has to hunker down. Keep low profile and weather the storm. Fans are fickle.
Get two results win league, big celebrations, job done early, excellent year.
Sack those not performing and change out players so Ally has a better bunch. It's all about Ally the legend not these guys.
Management is easy u just need more money/ better players than the rest. Give Ally that and he'll win.
A good pre season, refreshed new attitude, coaching staff now blooded knows what's required after all the shock.
Ally will be manager next season, fans attitudes don't matter. End of.
Pay up or shut up and p*ss off. {The Ed039's Note - If you cant see Ally has no clue then I am sorry, from a fan who most definately pays up, you do not have a clue about football)
I'll second that Ed. not a clue
So much stupidity in one post.
1;Fans are fickle;after the support Ally has enjoyed this season?
2;Big celebrations? Are you serious, this is the third division.
3;Ally the legend? No doubt, but not as a manager.
4;Management is easy you just need more money/better players than the rest. Has Ally had that?
5;Coaching staff blooded? Are you serious? They have been around for years. A quite unbelievable post. {The Ed039's Note - Agreed)
Ed039 spot on. McCoist has been evidently clueless from day one.
s20c
He's already had more money to spend and better players than everybody else he's turned us into the bottlers now, there's no passion no desire from him on the touchline he's too much of a joker one of the lads we need a leader & Ally is not the right man, Kenny McDowell came with a lot of promise & know how bit now he looks clueless like Ally & totally frustrated while allys standing in silence arms folded we signed the wrong guys I duno if there was ever going to be anyone else but this lot of foreigners are awful & the British lads aren't much better I honestly think any other manager would get something more something different from these players & Probably leave Cribari at home every week not start him Faure Perry or Hegarty would learn so much more playing with the big "striker Lee McCulloch at the back than that Brazillian Imposter!
Larky Bear
24 Mar 2013 13:12:22
"big celebrations, job done early, excellent year"
Are you having a laugh?
Somthing big needs to change or yesterdays 44,000 crowds are going to get worse by the week -- and that's a wee joke at CharlieG's assertion that you get the real crowd figures @ Ibrox, think he's now employing the same folk that count Parkhead crowds. Losing more creidibilty if he personinues down that line
Got a freebie ticket to see Partick Thiste a whlie back and even they are light years in front of us. Ally is a useless manager Sorry but some times the truth hurts.
Think this guy may have been at the wind up, total nonsense, or mischief?
When the league is won young guys like mckay, lewis, etc deserve to be lauded at ibrox for their first success as players of rangers, the others should cknsider it as nothing more than a job done, not very well either, but the kids need to know their, considerable efforts, considering the age, etc is apreciated by the fans, so while I don't think there will or sould be mass hysteria in the stands I do think the kids deserve some kind of praise,
Tommyblue
@OP. WHATa WALLOPER!
There wasnt 44k attendance. that's the official figure. did you not see that report that this year the police have the real figure. about 20K less than official figure. 24K looked about right to me yesterday - half seats empty.
24 Mar 2013 10:23:24
I believe it is possible that announcement on Ally resigning may come tomorrow, if not I am convinced he will when league officialy won, I cannot believe that Ally does not realise that he and his team are just not doing it [understatement ] and therefore will do the honourable thing. {The Ed039's Note - We had posts like this a few weeks ago, I am sorry, but Ally is tied to Rangers until he is pushed by saying "we dont do walking away". I understand what he was saying and what he was trying to do at the time, but this statement means he wont resign because of what will follow. The media will have a field day)
Spot on ed39. not just the media though, some other people would absolutely love him to walk away. so yes. mr. green will have to retract his 25 year contract nonsense. one or the other will have to look foolish. shammy {The Ed039's Note - Shammy, Green was being foolish, Ally was trying to rally the troops in a moment of need, I understand why Ally said what he said when he said it, it would just look foolish now)
Very astutely Ally has worked himself into a unique position. He will not quit. Green would be unsure about sacking him after his ridiculous 25 year contract statement. A very tricky situation.
Disagree Ed. We don't do walking away is attributed to Admin/ liquidation period. The club is well moved on and that is no longer the issue. The issue is the managers performance, not the liquidation threat to the club. On his personal performance and fans wishes he can resign.
Since when can a manager not resign because of five words he uttered a year before? Ridiculous. It's a totally different issue, set of circumstances and this time its about McCoist's performance and credibility as a manager not the club's survival.
If he doesn't resign, a responsible board and CEO would sack him. Thus negating the we don't walk away line. The club is precariously balanced on a knife edge between survival and failure. The business risk of the whole venture and some 300 livelihoods depending on McCoist is too great. {The Ed039's Note - While what you are saying is true in writing down in plain black and white, and every single point you make is valid, I dont think executing it would be so easy without the media circus that would follow it, I would rather have a new manager than stick with the current one just to save face, but this exactly what is being done on both sides, by the manager and the suits)
Sorry Ed, cannot agree ''dont do walking away'' statement is irrelevant if Ally says ''leaving as I believe someone else better to take club forward'' As for media they are having a field day now so would not be any different.
His we don't do walking away statement was fitting at the time but the fans aren't the ones with a ball at there feet or a team in the dressing room and failing miserably week in week out they've turned out in there droves to watch a style of football worse than Juniors ED its time for walking away while Ally's still a Playing Legend the best striker we will ever have but how the f@ck would he feel stuck upfront himself with that team behind him! I do admit that everyone is up for the Rangers games Stirling get rumped every other Saturday but we can't beat them, saying that I'd rather we played a bunch of scottish lads tell them to express themselves & keep it on the deck try and play in behind if we get beat on the counter so be it the leagues all but won & I can't see us working on anything other than seeing it through!
Larky Bear
Ally MUST resign tomorrow to avoid being sacked. And he MUST be sacked if he doesn't resign. Fans have spoken. The club will fall once more unless he goes sharpish.
Of course it was a fitting thing to say at the time but I think it was meant to go deeper in that it also meant we don't turn our back on a challenge, we don't leave something just because of adversity.
Green will have to sack him, I'd be very surprised if he left of his own accord.
Gaz
I think Ally is pretty clueless as a manager but get real, he is not going the week before the title is won.
@ 3+4 listen to 39, we are all waiting for allys don't do walking away speech to come back and bite him in the arse. we will revel in it. 39 is right. shammy ps ed I know why he said it at the time
24 Mar 2013 21:04:13
Firstly, ally wknt walk when the league is about to be won', would any other manager,? Don't be so sllly,, and make his one and only season mean nothing when someone elss name is down as manager when its won, are you mad?, I want ally to step aside too, buut this is becoming a hate fest,, the man is a living rangers legend ffs,, I know he aknt the new messiah, not even a good manager as it goes, but ffs, he, s won the league we are in,, please draw back from the hate, some peole have always hated ally, because he, s a true blue,, let's allow him a celebration with the kids and move on, tommyblue
@10 His one and only season, so you as a Rangers supporter, are saying this is a NEW team, well done
Tam
Ed I think ally will be moved upstairs this would save us from getting it tighter from media he didn't walk away he moved upstair cheers
23 Mar 2013 21:36:29
On the new players coming in. ED, is there a cap on how many players can be registered in the lower leagues? If so this will mean players will have to leave surely {The Ed039's Note - Yes, you must register players over 21 years old and I think the maximum is 22 players?? But it depends if the SFL still exists next year or if reconstruction is pushed through, if reconstruction is pushed through then there will be new league rules)
Haven't rangers played more than 22 different players this season over 21yo? {The Ed039's Note - No chance, I dont think Rangers have 22 different players over 21 years old. There is a cut off date, so it might mean thats 22 years old who were 21 at season start dont need to be registered, but not much older than that)
24 Mar 2013 02:07:11
I think the displays recently have been absolutely awful. In fact I was one of the missing fans today. The thought of watching that dross made me go shopping with the missus. It don't get much worse than that.
I have tried to back Ally and there are valid excuses why we are so rotten. It is easy to forget that during the close season we had eight players. We had very little time to buy anybody, we were in div three, not exactly enticing. If I was truthful I thought that the signings of Black, Sandaza, Cribari were better than I expected to get. However they have simply not performed at all.
However I think that our troubles gave us the perfect opportunity to build something lasting. To build a system that is used from under 15's upwards to the first team. Get a way of playing and stick to it. It is clear that we need new coaches, someone with a philosophy that can instill a way of playing. I am not saying we are or will ever be a Barcelona, but if it is good enough for them it's sure good enough for us. The whole attitude has to change.
We also need better scouts, the whole scouting system sucks and has done for years. There seems to be no scouting of good prospects, they can sign experienced internationals like Boca, but there is never a profit to be made. Let's sign a 21 year old prospect instead of a 32 year old. For years this has been the case. I can't remember the last time we signed a good prospect and made him better. We play in Scotland and horrible to say but true, we have a perfect opportunity to sell players for big bucks to EPL. You only have to look at Celtic who do exactly that.
I hate to say this but Ally has to go at the end of the season, he needs to take Durrant and McDowall with him. All the coaches need to be moved out and we need to find a man who can start again. I am afraid I don't know who that is but he need not be a Rangers man. Too many Rangers men have got us into the state we are in, we need a new broom.
Next season is shaping up to be just as bad, we are in a position where we have three or four days to sign players. That comes after the league has started. These players will be free agents, people that are not picked up by other clubs. They are not going to be able to train with us or get match fit. Being optimistic that will take another four to six weeks to get them embedded. I thought that a recent comment by Ally was telling, he said that he might have to play a team of kids for the first month of the season, that suggests to me that several of the senior players will go, if we get bids which is unlikely, if they can't set the third div on fire why would anyone want them?
I have to say that this season has been unwatchable, it breaks my heart to say this but I don't think I can watch more of this. I have had season tickets for forty years, but I am thinking long and hard if I can justify paying £800 to be thoroughly bored.
I called my son after a certain Mr McCoist, so this is hard to say, time to walk away Ally.
A good honest post. To save Alistairs job he needs to be brave and surround himself with new coaches who posses the tactical attributes that he struggles with and a new scouting team. This would be a last ditch attempt to save his own job. If changes do not start immediately I am afraid that chick will stuggle to sell the season tickets. Personally I am afraid to say if radical changes do not happen soon, I do not think I will put myself and my son through these painful Saturday afternoons in the freezing cold.
How about going 4 4 2 for once ally and trying to entertain the fans. What do we have to lose. We want you to stay but are now struggling to justify it.
OP-Spot on mate. The last 'prospect' we scouted and signed was Rino. Shock was that it was Walter (a Rangers man) that signed him and Advocaat (top Euro coach) that didn't fancy him?!? If Walter is capable of finding that rough diamond would he not be better doing that again instead of whatever it is he's supposed to be doing just now? Our scouting and coaching is woeful and as I said in another post we need to use our current situation as an exciting prospect for the future. We need to change the ethos of our club, look to the future, be modern and progressive and get some use out of that multi million pound complex we have. At the moment Murray Park is like having a Ferrari and giving it to your gran to drive! let's get that place paying for itself instead of it being the white elephant that it currently is in the hands of people with no clue. {The Ed039's Note - Walter didnt find him, Ewan Chester did)
Surely the guys that are free agents can train with the club before they sign? No one will be paying them wages so they can train with anyone. Is it not also the case that under league rules you can play trialists? {The Ed039's Note - You can play 3 trialists for 3 games under SFL rules, but who knows what the rules would be under league reconstruction as the SFL and SPL would no longer exist and would have one combined set of rules. The players are able to train and from what I understand we would be able to pay them, they just would not allowed to be registered as football players until the embargo is lifted)
As a new share holder[one for me one for my boy]plus 2 season books so small sum. to help our club to move it on, yes to move it on. but i'm sorry to say its not. moved on. its under achieved apart from getting money in. Charles Green has done a remarkable job re-financing the club. the fans have done a remarkable job struggling in these times
but there i, m afraid is where it stops
Well paid so called professional people have let down the efforts of hard working fans. 2 minutes in a new league and they have completely under estimated the job they need to do they have thought that all they needed to do was chew gum and hold up the dug out or play with there spirograph on the sidelines there mis-calculation looks to have cost them there job and so it should no doubt
when we needed more they gave us more of the same when we needed more from that man who is our manager he and his backroom staff were not prepared to give any extra
just more of the same
Its time for the old school to leave, walk or push I don't care just go for the sake of Rangers
i don't go to see that mans team I go to see Rangers
the fans have did there part its time for the old school to do there's let go your grip and let's get on with this
your holding back the club. Les
I totally agree with both posts, Ally has came through the SFA mafia school and then been coached by Walter, he plays 4-5-1 at home talks the opposition up on a Friday on the TV. We worry about the opposition more than we should, the kids look as they they aere taught to play negative football it is all sideways or backwards, they don't tackle just close down space. He is too scared to lose games rather than go for it and make the opposition tkae fright. We have now lost the chance to bring in Billy Davies, Pressley, and McInnes managers who play football, the only one left is Owen Coyle. We need a manager who will get the players playing football not lump ball. Can somebody also tell McCulloch he can't always try and score from frre kicks, it is a team game not a presonal contest to see who ends the season with the most goals.
The Sunday papers today:
"The results are not of great concern to me ". Ally McCoist.
He must go.
Fair point Ed, although I did only say that Walter had signed him, not found him
Just playing devils 'advocaat' ;0) {The Ed039's Note - No probs, it just said "if Walter can find that rough diamond". Ewan Chester was and still is a very well respected scout, but again he brought players in when there was money being thrown around, was very heavily involved in the Amoruso, Porrini and Albertz deals)
OP by boycotting Ibrox you helped no one, we're all in this together and even when the football is as bad as it is just now the only real option is to grin and bear it because the alternative is to slide back into insolvency and who knows what after that. There are no fans going to the games just now that can be enjoying it but its part and parcel of being a Bear at this time. Keep The Faith WATP.
@8. Your wrong. Instead of being obsessive about gaining back to back promotions and shelling out money for SPL players, a whole new system should have been put in place. If it was explained to the fans that it might take years to return to the SPL, using young players and a few astute signings, they would have bought it. As things stand there is no on field progression at all. there seems to be very little off field advancement, until the finances are made public anyway, and stagnating is becoming a real possibility. {The Ed039's Note - I agree that a whole new system should have been put in place, nobody with any real football expertise was there early on and when they did appoint someone with a footballing pedigree it was Walter Smith, and why all know how his footballing phylosophy is, successful none the less)
8) op here, I know you are correct but so disillusioned at present that it is a chore to go to the games. It is meant to be entertainment and it is far from that. It has to improve big time and with same management and inability to sign players for money until January there is nothing to suggest that it will improve.
Walter smith is the greatest manager from jock stein if ally can acheive half the trophys of walter he's doing well