Rangers Banter Archive August 24 2013

 

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24 Aug 2013 20:26:18
2 all bears in bearland I have just read a piece on another site which says jack irvine remember the guy who RANGERS said doesn't speak for RANGERS last week, well now he does he has been hired by c. mather, so the article says that irvine is prepared 2 go 2 war with mcoll, blin & murray & he will expose their reprehensible behaviour of the last few weeks, so as I have said all along I don't know who 2 believe & will make up my own mind when I have facts, but it would be interesting 2 find out what they have been saying but apparently this is why mather came out with mcoll being misquoted in yesterday's record, I did find it strange the daily rebel never followed up there exclusive because wee keith at the daily rebel loves 2 back up his stories especially 2 do with the RANGERS, anyway off 2 work now c you's bangers soon, ps benedict how did scotland second most successful club get on today
Andho bears

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@op just sound Mather is doing chuckies job by trying to undermine the requisition served on him and the rest but I missed him on bt last night but I thought he was happy for blin to come on the board now he's apparently changed his mind he acting slyer now than chuckie did if that's what he's doing after getting the egm put back is this the final hand and then we are bust

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We can't afford an egm at £80k cost, but can spend £200k to re-hire pr to help board fight someone with 4 shares.

madness.

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Andho this is a Rangers site, if you are looking for a date with Benedict I think you're on the wrong site. Are you sure your a Ger? Who care how the tims got on today, you can obviously work the internet so why don't you look it up instead of stalking and trolling tim intruders on here, if you ignore them they will take the hint. You're embarrassing yourself son, so give it a break and grow up. Will you be there to meet George seeing you have so much to say?

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So with media house being re-hired
where does the money come from to promote the boards side of things?

is it from the share issue? our own money being used to fight one side of this. if so its a scandal

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25 Aug 2013 02:24:33
@3 are you alright? This is a banter site after all. What's with the gay innuendo? Such a bitter attack on a fellow bear. Is it you that is actually hiding something in your closet and you are projecting your emotions onto andhol bear.

Kiss kiss

Benedict.

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25 Aug 2013 07:35:03
No3 I have a better chance of a date with benedict than you no name, scared 2 leave it in case I troll you, now my upset poster the last time I looked it said Rangers banter on the top of the page, so I have no intentions in giving up trolling benedict gaz or any other dodgers of the soap bar on this page, you see man of wisdom I enjoy the banter I do not get into a wee hissy fit because the big bad tims are on our page, let them bring it on
Andhol bears

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Hearing that £200k paid up front for this irvine pr campaign, and it to focus on votes of the fan shareholders as their 7% stake could swing it

if mccoll wins contract cancelled, but cancellation clause paids in full!

so spivs follow george long firm. ship out vast cash ammounts and head for admin and the door.

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24 Aug 2013 18:02:44
THE CURRENT BOARD MEMBERS!

Who is currently on the board?

What is there specific skills? What do they bring to the board?

We know some of them and as any real rangers fans will know they are completely incompetent and has sat in silence during this "great stadium robbery"

It would be good to try and find out more about there specific roles and what they actually do for the club,

Stockbridge is running the show at rangers right now anybody who is in any doubt wait till the accounts come out, only problem with the accounts ( and I am not 100% sure what dates they cover) it will probably not show what has been happening at the club in the last 2-3 months? Pretty sure one of the bears will enlighten me?

Mathers is just greens puppet and him and Stockbridge are knee deep in it!

Ian Harte not sure what his role is but he and Stockbridge are VERY friendly is there any reason to doubt his motives?

After that I will admit I don't really know any of the other non-runners in this quango.

I will mention some names that should be a concern to all rangers fans.

Iain Morgan or sometimes know as Iain Arthur Morgan this guy has been involved with Stockbridge and Mather since January/February and has been providing consultants to rangers for months and is still doing it RIGHT now this is an absolute scandal and the costs must be astronomical!

Stockbridge has personally allowed this to happen and this guy reports direct to him and Mather! No middleman here, also no public tendering? Jobs for the boys, bill me whatever you want after all I am the boss? That's what they do and we sit back and let them.

George Angus another who should be named and shamed! This guy is supposed to be a facilities expert? Christ he worked for Mercedes Benz! Another of Morgan's consultants been there since February costing an absolute fortune! Another position that was created by Stockbridge and Mather
Oh and he also gets a percentage of any money he saves! I think his costs have far exceeded any money he saved. Apart from that he has the additional role of being e rangers hatchet man! Not sure what he gets for that but he certainly doesn't have any credibility

I would like to hear of any info on the other board members and hilight there roles/duties

RR

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Seems jack irvine back onboard at huge. one- year cost to fight vicious campaign to undermine board. but what campaign. a few mccoll quotes in papers is hardly a campaign against board with in-built majority

but if new investment in needed, then 25+% of investors signing proposals is bad news, with share price. down 50% no wonder.

mccoll won't put un money until board is trustworthy, and alex ferguson said his board at Manchester United was trustworthy.

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Could it be that the reason for the incoming 8 players is

Admin 2 just around the corner - first problem is the points deduction - either 15 or 25 points depending on the ruling about original club / new club

This is potential disaster, delaying the promotion through to top tier

Solution - Load team with quality (and expensive) players who can almost guarantee to win the league even with a huge points deduction

Second benefit is they are under contract and might be worth transfer fees if the decide to TUPE over - perhaps its part of their contract?


Its only a theory but I don't see any other reason for Ally to be over spending like this - remember he is still on lookout for three other signings - goalie, striker and defender

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You are correct see in my SCRIBD post. george

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24 Aug 2013 17:21:23
Completely off topic, nonetheless, the only interesting thing in scottish football this season - another win for hearts! I wonder if they can pull of the great escape!

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Yes I think they will seem to have the bit between the teeth and are getting results even with 10 men. St Mirren must be a worried team as they see their 15 point lead being eroded away already. Hearts will finish at least 11th this season if not higher

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7 Jambos in the starting line up today so it won't be through lack of effort if the Hearts kids don't do it. Running out of gas over the season is the big danger for them.

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Hearts went the kids and no money route. an honourable way back


we went for liquidation and spending £30m we don't have.

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@ 3 wit you talkin about hearts could still get liquidated so there's nothing honourable about not paying people so every other teams fans have been telling us for 2 years and also about the 30- 35mil that's why fans are wanting the board to gtf and another thing we never chose to be liquidated

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5. ] The club are a credit to Scottish football but the club has a mountain to climb, financially, as they will have difficulty severing the Lithuanian debts without selling Tynecastle.
billyb

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Hearts fans are fortunate in the fact they don't have an owner who intends to milk them dry, get in his own administrators, they assist him, then sell assets to his mates.

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Hearts have started well. In the old scottish tradition of responding to an apparently lost cause. They've still got it all to do and st. mirren will probably respond in a similar way. Strange that this sort of handicapping creates interest. I think a way to save scottish football is to rip up the 150 year old league system and create something that keeps fans interested. It's entertainment after all not punishment. Or is it? Time to move on. The NFL franchise system is far superior to our outdated system, dreamed up in mainly amateur days when working men had fa else to do.

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24 Aug 2013 14:30:45
Dear benedict I have just read your cringe worthy reply, I am taking it by your reply you believe the mighty glasgow celtic are scotlands most successful team we all have dreams, but anyway if you's were, hold on 2 a change ma troosers just pished them, why would you savour the day beating a new club which I am presuming you think we are, I thought you's didn't care what happened 2 our cub & wouldn't miss us, but you have us dead & want 2 savour the day you's beat a bunch of zombies suppose it might be easier 2 beat zombies than beating mankini wearing men, so make up your mind poster with the holy name what's it 2 be, are we the same club or not can't have it both ways maybe sleep on it then tell us what your dreams say think that's the best way for you 2 make up your mind holy 1
Andhol bears

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Theres only 1 most successful club in scotland and its 55 and counting

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24 Aug 2013 15:17:38
Firstly what's so holy about my name? Seems to be an issue for you, what's in a name?
Secondly no I don't think you are a new club. But you certainly are not Scotland most successful. See the only Scottish Team and first British Team to win Europes premier competition. The mighty Glasgow Celtic. that's the gauge of real success son. Something your team tried and failed to emulate with terrible consequences.
Thirdly I savour the chance for Celtic to meet rangers because we Will pump you and put manners back on the deluded masses who think that because they got a few results in league 1 that they are any match for us.

Bless you my son.

Benedict

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The point is wether he thinks ure the same club or not is'nt important which ever verdion of rangers playing at Ibrox is followed by the same set of supporters and that's the rivalry that stilk remains hence all the digs at your recent woes this is why he and many others will enjoy beating what ever side is supported by people such as you're self as your pain in defeat make the victory sweeter that's the one part of rangers that can't be killed off
Thpmmyj

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@1 I think you will find that with 156 trophies won in our 125 years of unbroken history Glasgow Celtic (1888) are by far Scotland's most successful ever, and current football club. Included in that is THE main prize in club football, the European Cup, also there are cups in the Celtic trophy room that will never be played for again, mostly one off historical tournaments against the best in Britain and in Europe. Maybe you should look up the official lists of trophies for both clubs before spouting a Scottish media spun lie.

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Pump us Aye like you pumped Shakter & at the moment Inverness half time there taking an awful roasting eh up 2 -1 taking it right in the wrong un Terry Butcher must be Patting his Shants. Still living in the 60s aswell. Europeas elite living in fear of Celtic at the moment think not.

Larky Bear

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Benedict, if harping back to an event which happened almost half a century ago keeps you happy, keep doing it. I know a country which is just as bad as your lot for 'memories', do you remember 66 too?

I was born the same year my club won a European trophy, although 7 months after the event, and I don t think I have ever said to anyone ' aww but we won. etc etc. These 'banter' pages are just an excuse for immature adults to act like immature children in point scoring exercises. Who really cares what either side won, one thing for sure, it will never improve your health. Slainte mhath.

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@4 timmy I think you'll find rangers have the world record for most recognised trophies win by any team in the world so keep your trophies that mean nothing to anybody but your fans out of the argument so nae luck haha and also rangers have an unbroken history it was the company that ran the club that went bust not rangers
THE MOST SUCCESSFUL CLUB IN THE WORLD

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Glasgow Rangers are officially Scotland's most successful club.

End of the matter. Go back to your own score draw problems with ICT and stop obsessing with Glasgow Rangers. My son

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Bennyfit Collector

Why do you actually give a F**K?

I am on here fighting for MY teams life with most of my fellow supporters and nOT ONCE HAVE I REFERRED TO YOUR TEAM

NOT ONCE DID I MENTION MY BROTHER CLEANED UP AT 4-1 FOR BORAT'S BEARS TO WIN AT HOME

Technically this now counts as once.

Do you know why because I do not care as I would have thought you would feel?

Playing Celtic in the future is something I am longing for as having supported Barca against Madrid for years ( I am a member since 2003), seen Juve v Torino, Inter v Milan, Man U v Liverpool and Arsenal Totenham. NONE COMPARE TO Rangers/Celtic (I type that as the sad persons from your side clain no Old Firm anymore FFS childish persons),, Only one I have still to go to Boca V River Plate that looks the TOP DERBY TO ME.

When board sorted one thing I do know WE RANGERS FANS ARE LOVING EVERY MINUTE OF THE PUNISHMENT TAKING IT AS WE DESERVE NOT WANTING A REPRIEVE AND FIGHT OUR WAY BACK

THE SUPPORT LEVEL AT 49000 plus HOME GAMES IN 4th TIER AND NOW 3rd TIER IS ASTOUNDING AND I LOVE EVERY FAN THAT IS DOING THIS AS IT SHOWS HOW MUCH WE CARE.

hoping this gets transferred to the off field revolution I am trying my best to start.

So Benny you know from experience not to mess with the Top Cats we do not care and facts are in writing WE ARE THE MOST SUCCESSFUL TEAM EVER IN SCOTAD AND WILL TAKE THE MANTLE UP TO CONTINUE IN THE NEXT 3/5 YEARS

RFFR RTID. george

(nice to be dealing with one of their people for a change)

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You couldn't pump a team of juniors last tuesday and inverness makes you a laughing stock spl chumps

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The way your playing you couldn't win a tea cup

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The gers have won more league flags than any team in the world 55 and counting

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Who really cares who is more successful as u can twist statistics to suit yourself which both sets of fans are very good at. All this shows is that some people on both sides of the divide will argue about anything just for the sake of arguing. Do you people never ever get tired of the futile and boring arguments which are totally irrelevant. There isn't likely to be an old firm game this season so why can't both sets of fans just concentrate on their own teams

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@12 ya roaster! It's flags we play for now, is it? What a comedown it must be for you. one minute it's cups. the next it's flags! Ha ha

Briggs

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@12 are you seriously counting last seasons league win as 55? Your only kidding yourself.

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Stop counting the SFL3 title as 55, it's embarrassing ourselves. We've been Scottish Champions 54 times, not 55. We should be proud of that. It belittles the other 54 by counting last season as number 55. Be serious.

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@13 you may be able to twist statistics what either way but you can twist world records

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Who would swap a european championship for any number of scottish titles? Football changed in 1955 when euro football began. Rangers record of 54 league wins is only a scottish record as its impossible to measure it against anything else. They can claim to be the most successful within scottish football but were liquidated. The new clubs record is still behind alloa. Celtic can claim to be Scotland's most successful club in european competition. I've read many posts on here slagging off scottish football, but none slagging off the euro competitions. Its pretty obvious from that, that the vast majority of football fans would rate euro success above scottish success. the argument is the same in england, Liverpool are the most successful in Europe biut mufc hold the English record. These days the cl has sort of answered the argument, with cl qualification rated above all else. In Scotland the league is now a passport to the big time. Euro comes first.

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Most of rangers (IL) titles were won before tv, that's harping back to the past. I think winning the world's premier club competition with all local players, shown live all around the world is well worth harping back to. Especially as celtic were the first non-Latin winners and in such style. i'd take the runners celtic got above anything rangers ever did. In those 9 years celtic won it, were runners up and reached the semis twice. That'll do for me. What night's we have had at celtic park. I remember it all very well, anybody remember watching bill struths teams?

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24 Aug 2013 14:10:12
Great result last night, you can actually see the improvement from last season, I know wouldn't be hard
Daly and Laws r a stand out, the 2 young boys Crawford and McLeod too
all round The team r starting to play together, on-wards and upwards, Follow, Follow.

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Watch out mate, positivity is not normally accepted on this forum- from some fans. You are right though, playing a lot better, still a hell of a long way to go yet. let's keep feet on the ground, and hopefully keep improving on the field.

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Anything that keeps Ally in his role has got to be good thing.

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24 Aug 2013 12:54:50
Fans are not interested in protesting at all. There's a daft belief in here from the tiny numbers of users of this site that there's a huge appetite for protest. There isn't.
This boards model for success is working. 6-0 against Airdrie, good cup runs ahead. The board gave Ally everything he wanted and are still backing him.
The only problem for two faced WS not backing and turning turncoat to external guys that shamefully let the old club down and also didn't invest.
Are the shamed old directors promising more than 6-0?
The last thing this club needs is a board change. It needs stability through this season.

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Yeah at least see what happens at egm and see the accounts

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24 Aug 2013 14:13:24
And which member of the board are you. bri blue

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Is this Mathers? your happy getting 6. 0s every week? no matter what the cost is for our club?
You live in a bubble, there will be no stability as long as directors/managers are taking wages far beyond the means of our club at the present time.
Board change being the start, then a complete clean out of all the parisites at Ibrox and a fan led club at the end of it all.
They let the club down,, but so did we in the end,, because we did nothing! let's hope this time we grow a pair and not let 6. 0 results against lower clubs make us think everyhting in rosey in our garden.

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I don't want protest

the truth shall set us free

if

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Anybody that slates walter is either a tim or just stupid if it hadnt been for walter and ally we wouldn't have a club

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24 Aug 2013 16:18:01
5. Do you really believe that? And if so what do you make of Ally's attempts to hide his true salary from fans?

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@5 while I don't disagree with your comment about people slating Walter I think your next comment about not having a team without Walter and Ally is just nonsense. Can you please explain that statement?

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5)

Please look at the roles of Walter and Ally.

Jumping from one side to the other for their own benefit.

They know what Bomber knows and have made a decision not to tell the truth - and the truth is the only route to a sustainable future for a Blue team playing at Ibrox

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@2 I think its IMRAN, or could be Chico then again could be Stockbridge or even Mather all could quite easily have quoted that post!

I smell the fear already from them!

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24 Aug 2013 12:54:39
When I come in here I give you facts, or correct false claims, I provide quotes, dates, whatever is salient to my point. The only time I went beyond that ever, was in saying that the overspending can only make sense if it is part of a longer game plan. I stressed again and again it wasn't fact, just supposition.

I have at times questioned folks "neurological functioning" but have never ever called any of you f****** c**** or w******.

I'm merely looking for clarification as to why since Monday night I haven't had one post up? If I'm banned, fine. But on what grounds given what others can write?

For the record of the five posts I made that weren't put up four pertained to threads I was already in. Two were answering JG (on proxies) and Ayrbear (on Ian Black). The last of the five not put up was around lunchtime Tuesday where I said "Charles Green out, well done, fan power can work evidently" or words to that affect.

If this doesn't get put up and clarified by the Ed's then I won't be back, this is not a hissy fit, some folk seem far better than me at that, merely, why waste my time writing anything if it is/isn't deemed allowed on the whim of inconsistent editing? Up to you Ed's, for me I thought you were here to edit, not agenda drive. If nothing else I keep the pages ticking over and get replies, (lots of them) isn't that the point?
I
Gaz {Ed001's Note - this is the worst kind of pathetic whining post. Nothing has been received from you so man up, it is not up to you to tell us what should be posted anyway. I hate these kind of spoilt brat whinges from people who think they are somehow too important to have their posts deleted.}

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Ed I have praised you guys (and yourself in particular) numerous times, I appreciate it is a thankless task and if you aren't paid for it then you most certainly should be. You all spend numerous hours doing it and it is valued and appreciated. But I don't see the need for terms like spoilt brat when there are three parts of the process that could be improved and are pointed out to you, man up, to use your own terminology.

Gaz {Ed001's Note - you spend your entire time on here trying to tell Rangers fans how to support their club and now you want to tell me how to run this website too? If you know so much, why don't you start your own football club, so you can show all its fans how to support it correctly and how to run one too? While you are about it, you can start a website for it and show us all how to run one of those too. Otherwise just learn to accept that it will never be what you want and it is free, so stop expecting the world.}

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Calm doon Gaz man it happens it's happened to me sometimes your msgs just don't send I've had bother on Wifi getting posts on before. Ed sorry mate but I went Benteke 1st goal scorer today still fancy 1-2 Liverpool though.

Larky Bear {Ed001's Note - it is normally the issue, the connection drops and nothing gets sent. It happens to me editing too. I hope you are right on the result! }

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Well spoken ed

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24 Aug 2013 19:28:52
Ed, that was so long overdue mate, fantastic, the guy had got to the stage I firmly believe he thought this was his forum and actualy everyone else was simply replying/posting to him, sticking in the occasional "great job eds" to curry favour, was so effin obvious, I must admit the guys posts were getting to me too, not so much the total anti rangers part, but the apparent belief that he was here to tell us how to support or criticise our club, also one or two fellow gers fell for the occasional "I don't want your club to die " bit, I didn't,
Well done ed, and thanks for that, it was long overdue mate,
Maybe he, l take the huff for a wee while, or maybe he, l actually watch his own team
Tommyblue

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24 Aug 2013 12:41:18
George on a lighter note
i know this is the wild west of Scotland
but snake skin cowboy boots come on

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Lol les I noticed them too I was scared they might bite!

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Guys are you serious? How can George be taken seriously now?- if he ever was.

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@2 as les said lighten up as after all this is a banter page and for your info I am taking george very seriously, so thanks for your input it is duly noted and I will try not to pass judgement on peoples appearance, by the way do you think NL the wee ginger guy brushes his teeth once a day or once a month or if at all? lol

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Aye the boots have a direect affect on my opinions, the boots mean everything I have pointed out is a lie as the are snakeskin? I will make sure I wear wellies next time so I walk through the s***e and p**h the persons that don't turn up are talking. george

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King b what make you slag nl appearance off I take it you look like brad pitt then? grow up man mm

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No you wear steelies george kick sum ass

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24 Aug 2013 10:52:25
Getting away from our boardroom struggle for a minute I would just like to ask all my fellow gers fans out there have they heard any info on nacho novo, ie. who he's going to sign for?

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This post is literally unbelievable.

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The board room struggle worries me more than who NN is going to sign for, are you for real, move on he's left!

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24 Aug 2013 16:24:48
Honestly I really thaink that OP is Nacho still trying to generate interest in himself before the transfer window ends.

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24 Aug 2013 10:35:41
Look, my understanding is that it cost's £75. 00 to go on-line to Companies house and get a copy of the Deeds to Ibrox. You guy's have spent the best part of a year worrying about it, one of you just one go get them and post them today! is that too much to ask? or would you rather sit here being keyboard warriors?

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Aye nae bother gboy its that simple is it? You not think if it was that easy the press would have been all over it. or why dnt you do it and tell everybody urself

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Op - just out of interest why would Companies House be able to issue title information which is registered with and held by the Registers of Scotland?

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Gbhoy, there have been a lot of financial experts from an east end persuasion, why have none of them come forward. Perhaps things are not as black and white as you make out. Seems a little too easy though.

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The press have hardly been blowing the story wide open have they? or have I missed something? also i'm sure following the revelations of payments to certain members of the press that the msm could hardly be considered reliable. maybe that's just me?

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24 Aug 2013 10:06:05
Ok looks like when were finally getting it right on the pitch and September 1st edges ever closer the fams divide only widens. BayBear I think you've jumped the gun on George too early but I can see your point fully mate when I browsed through the posts last night it did look like a wind up. George this site is not the best place to get your word across to big numbers of supporters. 10 people on the Friday at 12 is good going I'm just after a weeks Holiday or I would atleast try to show up before the 31st but it's just not possible.

For this too work Flyers are an absolute must mate I know you feel like it's a waste of time now but I can guarantee less than 1% of Rangers fans even know what your trying to do here mate. If you stand handing out flyers 1 hour before a home match then people will show an interest. Plus you will be safe amongst a large number of your own. I hate the name calling sarcasm & slagging on here at times I really do we are all the same & we need to stick together this is what Green wants Divides arguing bickering so we can't see the big picture & face this problem head on. I've still not seen your findings on Scribd unless it is the the old firm long firm document? If so then I've always thought that this was the plan aswell & if so then they are executing it to perfection very deviously. For once can we stop fighting amongst ourselves get behind Ally & the team Ian Black included I know I hammered him the other day but I was angry and had only just heard it on the Radio well done to him getting his head down and playing a decent game last night.

So stop fighting support the team & see what George has to say on Tuesday & Saturday then take it from there on what actions we feel will get the board to listen to us or atleast hear our frustrations. I still believe one big movement from united bears will be a game changer. Hats off to BT Sport also for putting some great Questipns to Craig Mather love on TV that the papers just won't ask. Again Craig composed himself well & answered well but it still doesn't put our minds at rest these same questions should be asked daily along with show us the deeds it's not bloody hard if your so honest & transparent. Then maybe then you will get our full backing & your job will be much easier Mr Mather.

This way of life that is being a Rangers fan is a hard one but I would not trade it for the world the club is so much more than these men more than Ally, Green, Stockbridge all lf them we are all a part of it & we all have a say may be small but if we don't shout & ball then were just rolling over & giving in to them. Not on my watch if George has some real dirt on them then if anyone wants to join me I will continue his work not on my own but I will do what can be done between work & home life to the best of my ability. Most probably wouldn't listen to me as i'm just a young lad though but it would be an honour to stand shoulder to shoulder with my fellow bears to fight for what's right for our Club. Anyway this has gone on long enough just trying to keep the peace a bit have a good weekend bears.

Larky Bear

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Larky- Age means nothing mate. You may be young but you have a mature head on your shoulders.

Larky is the voice of reason once again.

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@george mate il be there on Tuesday and quite willing to hand out the flyers for you and i'm sure fans to come and listen to what you've got to say because the quicker the fans get to know then the faster we all get the result we want these shysters to f**k away from our club

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Another great post Larky!

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There no point printing flyers what are you going to write on them please don't say georges long firm conspiracy u will just get laughed at we should just get behind the team n see what happens at egm and see what the accounts say when they are published there's no need 4 protests yet nobody know the truth we don't know want to force good people out based on rumour i'm sure I will get the usual I don't care about the club for not joining the lynch mob but don't believe you guys have any info worthy of protest

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Cheers Bay Bear & @3, @4 I did say if there was some real dirt the mans not going to travel from London without a good idea on what's going on. It's easy to just say concentrate on the team & the football. It's very hard to take when you look into who is running your club & no idea of there overall agenda. The footballs got much better. Ally's still running his mouth at every opportunity. Matters still giving it the Good guy which I hope he is I have no idea I'm not trying to state facts. Nothing's changed but change is needed I don't know why you can't see it you probably think Charles Green saved us too?

Larky Bear

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@ 4 all that's happened the last two year there's more of a chance we won't see the accounts also can you tell me who the good people (directors)are at rangers the only thing a can think of that their good at and that's giving themselves a hefty wage and bonus also there's no lynch mob

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24 Aug 2013 09:45:30
I would like to apologise to George for possibly jumping the gun and assuming he was a crank. I would also like to apologise for some of my more sarcastic comments during this time. There was no need for that and I am sorry. This apology also goes for anyone else I have wound up with my scepticism.
If you read my posts/comments in order from yesterday you will see that my stance began to soften a bit and I feel I then went on to offer George some ideas/advice. I genuinely hope he takes some of this advice on board but ultimately it's his call. I would urge all bears to excercise caution and don't put yourself in any sort of danger. If you want to make a difference then you have to be calm, measured and box clever. Whilst I admire his desire to expose and save our club the John Brown approach wasn't exactly a goer was it?
Finally, I would like to say again that I am genuinely sorry for upsetting a brave man in George and I applaud his stance. You'll be glad to hear I intend on having no more to say on the matter unless asked.

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Well said baybear
lets just wait and see
is it any worse than the Dallas cowboys, wealth of the radar, Rangers playing like Ajax and all the garbage our own club fed us
what I will say if George can't deliver on tuesday i, ll turn away and laugh just like the Dallas cowboys story
its all you can do with this brian Rix farce
what you said there says to me things will be ok on here. thank you baybear

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Fair play to you mate. Takes a bigger man to apologies

Craig number 2 protester (BFH)

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Well said Baybear. I don't think this kind of thing is a one man job either. We need keep a cool head and gather all the facts available to direct our indignation at the real culprits. This hoodwink is going to get torn off!

Let's pull together like those four Lads.

Aye Ready

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24 Aug 2013 19:54:08
hi bb, just a point mate, John Brown is and always will be a true Rangers hero, end ofm this man stayed on the pitch with his leg hanging off to ensure Rangers won the league, and kept 9 in a row was possible, please never underestimate what bomber did for our club, we are too quick to do such things, would we have said the same things if griegy or sandy had got emotional when our club was on its knees? A true blue, don't let others taint the memories lads,
Tommyblue

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@4 I agree Tommy, that wasn't the point I was trying to make mate. I totally respect Bombers motives, I don't doubt his love for Rangers. The point I was making was that his methods did not work. When people let their emotions get the better of them in an obvious way it simply plays into the hands of the people with an agenda who want to discredit them. Bombers approach made him easy to ridicule and ultimately he then had no more ammo. These people are clever and calculated; poker players if you will. All I'm saying is Bomber had no poker face because he let his anger get the better of him. He showed his cards too early and where is he now in terms of this card game for the Rangers prize? It's not fair mate but life is full of people that are good at playing games to get what they want. Bomber was too honest and reactive to be effective. Doesn't make him a bad person and actually enhances my opinion of him as a person. It's unfortunate but in situations like this you have to play these snakes at their own game.

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24 Aug 2013 09:24:29
@george in one of your earlier posts you state that only craig n realranger were the only two who realised who you were but I think after 45sec of speaking most of the 9 others knew who you were. if you read back and I refered to you as george`s rep then in another post I highlighted your name so me and my missus knew exactly who you were. point two is you said they were the only 2 who seemed to understand what you were trying to do, well ifor one understand perfectly what your trying to do. I am now going to turn up on tuesday about 6pm and listen to what else you and whoever else is there as I am not going to nail my flag to your post just yet as I am only looking for 1 answer at the moment, and the question to that answer is who owns ibrox and what are they going to do with it?. I have very pesonal feelings to that Q&A. now onto another point on this site you are going to run into a brick wall with some posters as all the enjoyment they get is to sit and nit-pick over people who get thems seplling wrong and they`re use of grammar. now don`t get me wrong here I have seen a lot of sensible posts here but not one has ever backed it up with a meet n a time and place so I for one am going to man up and be there for a second time, oh and by the way fellow posters if you want to shoot-me-down feel free but come on tuesday and do it to my face and don`t be faceless all your sad little life.

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Cut sad little life and were away there kingb i, m with you keep it civil and it falls into place

i, m with you with the rest. cheers

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So Kingb

Who IS George then? And should we all get behind him on Tuesday?

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I don`t know george personally but I do know a couple of names he mentioned on friday personally as I grew up alongside them in toryglen, and as for getting behind him that`s not for me to say, you will have to turn up on tuesday or one of the other dates mentioned and come to your own conclusion on that one. I mentioned toryglen because if george is reading this then he will know what names he said. ty n I hope I answered your queries to the best of my knowledge.

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Kingb. Thanks for your reply. Really appreciated.

If George has Long Firm info that is damming, I hope he makes it public.

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24 Aug 2013 09:01:11
For hours people on here are squabbling about who's George who's his rep what's his motive who does he represent he must be a hoax as he had no flyers etc etc etc

Missing the point. He drive over night to tell people his fears for the club in the hope it would generate a bit of passion in the bones and start off a fan revolt of some sort

He said all along he wasn't the one to organise everything as he nor anyone else has ever led a large successful demo of rangers fans

As usual the apathy from our fans will lead the majority to do absolutely zero

Folk seem more interested in giving him a hard time than doing anything about the facts delivered

There's some good guys in these posts but I'm afraid the majority just want facts and names put on a plate for then so they can then still sit on their arses and tell everyone they know that they know everything that's gone on at Ibrox and make theirselves feel very important

You've been given an insight yesterday and it's now up to you what you do with that information. Make a decision. Do nothing but moan or get up off your backside and do something but for gods sake don't shoot the messenger who hopefully opened your eyes yesterday

Craig protester number 2 (BFH)

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@op so will George's be there on tues at the time he said in previous posts also all other fans try and get to ibrox as early as possible to show support to George it's not just his fight its all the gers fans fight it's time to stand and show them W. A. T. P

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I spoke to him a couple of times last night on the phone and to be honest he was negged out with the turnout and abuse he was getting on here and mentioned he might just go home and not go in Tuesday. However I believe he's a bigger man than that and his heart is true blue and with the changing attitude on here i'm sure he will be there

This guy has worked non stop since coming up and has been meeting and talking to influential and knowledgeable people constantly. He has a very informed opinion on what has and is going on and digging deeper each day. I believe he wants to get this information to the fan base then they can take action from there

Listen to him, read what he hands out and make a decision but more importantly do something.


Craig number 2 protester (BFH)

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24 Aug 2013 07:07:04
GEORGE COME ON TUESDAY NIGHT AND DO THE TALKING THEN don't DO IT ON THE FRONT DOOR DO IT ACROSS THE ROAD AT THE FOOTBALL PITCH FACING IBROX BUDDY THEN YOU WILL GET PPL TO LISTEN AND AS THE BOMBER SAID STARVE THEM OUT ITS THE ONLY WAY THE CROOKS WILL LEAVE FELLOW BEARS THERE ALL LAUGHING AT US PUMPING OUR HARD EARNED CASH IN THERE POCKETS APART FROM THE PLAYERS AND ALLY GEORGE don't GIVE UP MATE

SOUTHSIDE BEAR ED PLEASE POST

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24 Aug 2013 05:22:46
5am and still trying to get my head round the No Show Armchair Brigade having a go at me today

As the EDs KINDLY confirmed I have been posting constantly on here for a year WITH MY EMAIL

I had tried to warn of this Long Firm scam for 9 months but again as EDs will confirm blocked constantly

My shock when I finally got the SCRIBD flyer content posted was total

Since that day been planning come up and try start something

I had hoped my efforts would inspire but instead people picking away at stupid things

1/ I said rep as scaered and didn't know anyone plus 10 turning up why the F**K take a risk if only backed up by TEN PEOPLE OUT OF 50000 support?
2/ Flyers my mistake I saw content on line so tried save mysel a few quid (I am out £1000 to do this trip through unpaid work days and travel printing meetings etc) I agreed on advice to do the flyers for Tueday
3/ No scandal of naming names. for 10 PEOPLE? I am going to risk my neck even further in hope I start proest but only 10 turn up. seriously? Would you have the balls FFS most of you didn't show up!
AND for information I named the principal instigator who has flown below the radar in this robbery Andrew Ellis brought the whole CW and Ticketus deal to Rangers THEN shows up before admin for payday.

I will do as I said on Tuesday as unlike 99% on here I have shown action behind my words and in a WHOLE YEAR not changed my story IF YOU CAN MAIL EDs and THEY REMEMBER ALL BLOCKED POSTS THERE WERE LOADS OF THEM SAYING THIS FOR 9 MONTHS. EDs can you confirm?
3/ I am not genuine? At the wind up? WHAT PLANET ARE YOU ON?
How is posting consistenty for a year, finally get facts out on SCRIBD, POSTING ON HERE COMING UP, then actually SHOWING UP UNLIKE the Armchair Massive!, giving email and mobile plus agreeing my mistake flyers and agree to bring on Tuesday Craig Burly (LMFAO) will confirm we echanged mobiles and he advised good idea to give out paper version to be passed on through fan base as not all people use web sites internet etc.

Only thing been so tired not got time t email from the one on scribd

5. 20am KNACKERED AND STILL HURTING/ANGRY

Will do email today and going to see someone in hope clarifying latest boardroom goings on in hope the current board ousted.
He said today that Laxey and others on the goodguys side now DUE TO FANS PLUS they have intimated funding increases are not a problem AS LONG AS CURRENT UNSTABLE RECKLESS SET UP CHANGED AND STABILITY with Real businessmen on board

I GO TO SLEEP IN THE HOPE THAT IS REAL AND HAPPENS THEN I DO NOT CARE IF NONE OF YOU SHOW AS OUSTING BOARD MY TARGET

george RFFR

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Hi George,

I just want to say I admire the courage of your conviction. What you are planning and hoping to do will have it's challenges. When you put your head above the parapet then you are liable to have to dodge some oncoming fire, it comes with the territory as they say no?

This is not intended as an excuse but a reminder to you that this is not going to be easy and romantic. I have difficulties committing to many things as I run my own business and work 6 days a week. In fact I had to give up my season ticket due to work and family commitments this season, no doubt the knuckle shufflers and diehards ( God bless them ) out there will find fault with that too.

What your attempting to do is commendable, however please be careful, you have an opportunity to start something here, but start it in the right way. We do not need aggression or marches as such, but we do need a presence a group dedicated to the cause.

What time is the next meeting on Tuesday 27th? I will do my very best to be there.

RTID
GDog

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ED please post this as a main post if you can as I think it will put some smiles on our faces and take this protest forward unifying us AS THE ARGUING IS WHAT THEY WANT AND I JUST STARTED TO JOIN IN through emotion for my club. thanks

Thank you Gdog

Just woke and my head is killing me probably from emotional stress as the outcome of yesterday was not one of the versions I had played out in my head driving up.
1/ Snowy the dog turns up and talks to me about how s***e it was nobody believing his posts when he really did know walter's 2nd cousin's best pal's mate, ten he sang the sash and started playing a flute with a wee tiny donald findlay on his back. FFS. then I woke up.
2/ Just as I am starting my speech with the loudhailer I hired from "Riots'R'US", the crowd (hundreds) are singing Penny Arcade and all is GREAT, up pops Craig Whyte and he has the Arsenal shares in his hand and a lighter in the other. he shouts get it right up you ye gullible w*****s and sets them on fire, the crowd and me jump on him and kick F**K out him, we all get arrested and taken down the cells at Govan Station but we all continue singing "Where's Your Craigy Now. Where's Your Craigy Now (where's your mamma gone tune) and it was worth it to be charged with assault. FFS then I wake up. shame I liked that one.
3/ Thousands turn up with T-Shirts saying we are all george and the board resign en mass due to resultant change in the apathy shown by fans to date. FFS I woke up damn DREAMER
4/ The Simpsons appear on a sofa with rangers strips on singing "Always Look on the Bright Side of Life"!. FFS. I wake up laughing.
5/Bill Struth and Jock Wallace are standing in front of me saying "If you build it they will come". FFS, I wake up crying.
6/Baybear is there in a big comfy chair with McDonalds burgers half eaten (he is too heavy to get out his chair) and fries everywhere he is looking at his laptop and laughing, whilst I thank Captain Kirk and Scotty for beaming him down to the protest,, FFS. I wake. I like that one too smiling so does baybear ;-)
7/ 10 people turn up I am scared nervous and don't put myself over as real but I have turned up as I said telling the same story meet a few people (forget to highlight kingb. mind mention him on the flyers). surely this can't be real? I wake up PHEW thank F**K that was just a nightmare.

Morning Bears just woke and on the caffeine trying to get some of you on my side that think I am mad SHOUTER with nothing but hate

I love my club that much I did rant I did get upset I did overreact but know what bears having real love makes you do things that you maybe wouldn't rationally

Rangers Fans For Rangers

I will come Tuesday though I am going to try and meet Craig the Burly (sorry mate that's your new RFFR nickname I am george (cant think of a funny one), and some of his pals and maybe see if there is a better person to VOICE my beliefs and I KNOW lot of peoples beliefs BUT if not I will do it and this time I will be myself hopfly less nervous. more posts to come will update you on meets with Craig the Burly and the man that owned a football team with inside info (hope he does not mind me saying that?). yours as ONE OF YOU. RFFR george

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:0) Ha ha

Not far off but Burger King for me George! They taste of beef and look like they do in the picture.
You know me, not one to take being duped by a fake burger lightly ;0)

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I'm assuming the protest didn't go well. What happened?
Also if your looking for support, I hope you didn't just look to the folk on this website for support!
You would need some of the supporters groups on board.
Also if your whole protest is all about the long firm theory, I have to disagree.
You can twist things to fit in, but I think your looking for something that's not there. Hope your ok.

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24 Aug 2013 02:41:02
has andrew ellis got any past dealings with queens park rangers?

if so what are they and to what ends?

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Ellis and father very strong connections to QPR

A Ellis proposed a deal to buy out Murray BEFORE Whyte deal and it failed then cme back with Ticketsus and Whyte PACKAGE

He turned up in RFC Directors box with a know Glasgow Gangster then NEVER SEEN AGAIN until the usual suspects speach " It is an honour to serve on the board of Rangers Football Club". followed by Admin and taking his share of the 'pie'.

Was really pissed off at attitude on posts today?

I am not a knight in shining armour on a white horse here to front up a massive coup of these crooks.

I came up drove 400 miles got printing done then decided as it was ALL OVER THE RANGERS SITES NO POINT IN BRINGING FLYERS JUST DOWNLOAD MY POST

THEN I TURN UP AT DEAD ON 12PM AND AS I WAS VERY WORRIED I MAY HAVE CAUSED A LARGE DEMO AT RANGERS AND WAS POSSIBLY GOING TO BE IN PAPERS I DECIDED TO TELL PEOPLE I WAS FRIEND OF GEORGE AND HERE TO BACK UP THE CLAIMS

I MADE IT CLEAR WHEN ONLY 9 YES NINE PEOPLE TURNED UP THAT I HAD POSTED ALL NIGHT EFORE AND AT 7AM SO I WAS OBVIOUSLY ADMITING WHO I WAS AND AS WE PARTED I SAID TO BOYS "MIND I AM NOT GEORGE!"

OBVIOUSLY MOSTGOT IT I WAS JUST WARY AND TO BE HONEST SCARED AS I DOID NOT KNOW WHO I MAY HAVE PISSED OFF INSIDE IBROX BY REVEALING THE WAY THIS WAS CARRIED OUT.

I ANSWERED THE BOYS TRUTHFULLY AND HONESTLY BACKING UP THE POST ON SCRIBE IN PERSON AND NOT F*****G SITING AT HOME RATTLING AWAY ON YOUR LAPTOPS WHINING ABOUT WHY NOBODY IS FIGHTING BACK AND STANDING UP TO BE COUNTED

I TOLD THEM I WAS HAVING TO BE CAREFUL NOT JUST START MOUTHING OFF LIKE JOHN BROWN NAMING THE NAMES WE SUSPECT THAT PLANNED < CARRIED OUT AND ARE STILL SCREWING RANGERS.

I SAID THESE REVELATIONS WOULD BE POSTED FROM THE SAFETY OF POSTING ON SCRIBE

HOW MANY OF YOU NO SHOWS GOT THE BALLS TO TURN UP AT IBROX AFTER REVEALING A MAJOR ROBBERY/CON BEING CARRIED OUT AT RFC AND EXACTLY HOW IT IS BEING DONE?

THE BOY CRAIG RED TOP AND WHO SOME WRONGLT THOUGHT WAS MY MINDER LMAO.

HE QUIETLTY HAD A WORD IN MY EAR TO SAY HE UNDERSTOOD WHAT AN LF (LONG FIRM) WAS AND AFTER THE MASS CROWDS OF 8 HAD CLEARED HE WANTED TO PUT ME IN TOUCH WITH LARGE GROUP SUPPORT TO MEET AND EXPOSE THIS SCAM TO THEM>>> I AGREED AND WILLWHEN HE SETS UP HE HAS MY NUMBER.

I AM NOW SO F****D OFF T SOME NO SHOWS AND DOUBTERS SAYING I didn't COME OUT WITH A SENSATIONAL REVELATION. FFS WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED ME TO DO SPELL IT OUT IN A CONCISE POST AND COME UP SCARED BUT FACED UP TO NINE PATHETIC LEVEL OF SUPPORT! THEN I EXPLAIN WE WILL BE SETTING UP WEB PAGE AND POSTING FURTHER DETAILS OF PEOPLE CONCERNED ON SCIBD PLUS CRAIG MENTIONED FOR BENEFIT OF THOUSANDS NOT SEEING THE POSTS OF FLYERS ON THE NET I AGREED TO COLLECT THE FLYERS AND HAND OUT 100 AT A TIME TO GROUPS OF FANS THROUGH HIM AND AT IBROX SO PEOPLE CAN MAKE MORE COPIES AND HELP ME IN SPREAD THE WORD AND HELP WITH COST. I ACCEPTED HIS GOOD ADVICE AS TRUE LOTS PEOPLE DO NOT DO INTERNET AND SITES

I FEEL THE DOUBTERS AND RUDE POSTERS THAT WERE NOT EVEN THERE HAVE MADE ME FEEL WHAT IS THE POINT IN ME GOING TO IBROX ON TUESDAY IF PEOPLE NOT BELIEVING THE REVELATIONS IN MY FLYER POST ON SCRIBD AND THEN ON HERE!

I AM STARTING TO SEE WHY WE NEVER STAND UP AND FIGHT I TRY AS HARD AS F**K AND AM MET WITH SARCY RUDE AND FRANKLY PATHETIC POSTS FROM PEOPLE NOT PREPARED TRAVEL 20 MILES WHEN I CAME 400.

I WILL GET THE FLYERS TO CRAIG AND HIS PEOPLE THEN DECIDE WHETHER I WANT TO RISK SAME S***E IF I TRY AGAIN AT IBROX TUEDAY AND 100 TURN UP AND WE ALL GO IN LIKE SHEEP

I WILL TALK TO CRAIG AND OTHERS I MET FROM MY KINNING PARK LOYAL DAYS TO SEEIF IT WORTH ME BOTHERING TRYINGTO LIFT THE APATHY

RFFR RTID. tired. george

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Stay cool george let's see where this goes
we may need help from others
please anyone who has any info on andrew ellis, s past please put this up so we can get the measure of this man
i got a good measure of what's going on from realranger in my small talk with him
i feel your frustration
show us the deeds
show us the books

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George

This isn't about you. Dry your eyes.

This is corporate. If only 9 showed up, take a hint.

Your dossier to the DR obviously had no effect, (if it ever existed) neither your machiavellian "I'm not George" protest.

And don't berate rangers men for going to their work on a work day. "coz every other Saturday is ma half day off, and its off to the game I go. ". you have very little support George, because you have NO effect whatsoever.

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Alas George, 12noon on a week day is not suitable for most of the working population of scotland.

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You do realise that you are now coming across as some kind of petulant attention seeker. I am not in any way criticizing your passion or your commitment, but you might need to dial it down a touch. There are some questions you might answer though.
After going to all the trouble of driving 400 miles and printing flyers why decide not to bring them? You claimed you would name names on these you could not publicly. This is what attracted most fans, the chance to actually hear from someone informed and who knew people who had dissected the issues. These would be your friends who deal in such matters.
After turning up at 'dead on twelve' you were worried you might have caused a 'large demo' or would have ended up in 'the papers'. What did you think might have happened? You claimed to have explosive proof of a long firm con, very serious that, did you really think there might not be a possibility of this being news?
In my opinion you have a lot to do to gain any credibility you might have had. I notice you are asking for help with costs. A few rants ago you said it was no problem financially for you to pay for flyers. Just one example of the niggly doubts your posts bring up.

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24 Aug 2013 11:18:21
George listen I do not have the time 2 go 2 meetings as I have other things 2 do, RANGERS are not my life they are a very large part of my life, I have family & I work nightshift, I have worked nightshift for 15 years because I work weekends & couldn't get 2 the games otherwise, now while I think what you are doing is commendable, I am baffled at why you are worried at the papers turning up if you have courage in your convictions you should be going 2 the papers with what info you have, not coming on here not slaughter your own fans because a few fans have questioned you, now let's face facts have RANGERS fans not been led up the garden path by various parties in the recent past, so it is very difficult 2 know who 2 believe & who not, so if you if have any energy left as I know you are tired go for it & expose the s****hawks but leave me out I also take pills for high blood pressure so I have keep calm & I think you may need some pills off me soon, so I am sorry I can't join your crusade all I can do is keep supporting my team that is not a crime & that I am proud off
Andhol bears

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4 when i'm driving about in my works van I see plenty of peepul slinking about with rangers tops they don't seem that busy to me mm

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24 Aug 2013 02:09:53
OK brothers

here it is no f@ckin about
show us the deeds
show us the books
simple as that

ok we, ll not count back
to the crapy we folder in the papers don't count
we, ll not count back to any showing of books, there ain't any

this is day one for this brave new world of this Rangers
future open and incluesive

so we are on day one boys let's see where this goes
anyone care to see where my share money and season book money will be accounted for
its August the 23rd 2013 when will the deeds and books be in public domain. mr traynor?. mr stockbridge?. mr Ellis?. walter?. Ally? any f@ckin one tell the fans of Rangers where our hard earned has went and how we stand?

baybear come on here and tell us saying your so smart and know everything
tell me where its all went
when i, m told to my satisfaction i, ll shut tae f@ck up till then I WANT TO KNOW

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Les ffs, what's this 'so you're so smart and know everything' p15h?
I'm just a guy with opinions on a forum mate, that is all! My posts and opinions are from reading stuff and thinking nothing more no less. I do not and have never claimed to KNOW everything or anything for that matter. I have never made claims of having connections or knowing a guy on the inside or any of the other claims made on here. Think some folk live in a fantasy world. Let me repeat this for the hard of thinking. I know nothing I am my own man with my own ideas based on what I read, that is all. If you, or George or anyone else for that matter have some hard evidence of criminal activity and you're scared of the outcome then please listen to advice. Approach the police and tell them you want to report a crime. Then approach a reputable paper, (not one of the red top rags) and let them get it out there. That is the safe thing to do if anyone is genuinely fearful. No point in risking your safety when there's other ways to get stuff out there. Remember Les, I am not the person who has made claims of knowing stuff or doing stuff. Bear that in mind next time you have a pop please. As King B said to me yesterday, I'm not sure I'm in the position you think I am.

Signing off,

Normal bloke, on a forum, with his own mind, no connections, no inside knowledge, just opinions,

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24 Aug 2013 12:23:01
Best people to approach with evidence of criminal activity would be police and channel 4. Please name a "reputable newspaper" in scotland that would have the b*lls to run with that story first. They're all running scared of losing their rangers fans customer base, and they know fine well that gers fans would rather rally against a paper as "anti rangers" than believe a story they don't like. Remember everyone going along with CWs "ban" on the bbc because they supposedly had an "anti rangers" agenda to blacken his name! Anyway, there is no criminal activity, just amoral business going down. Rangers is a carcass and there's a lot of hungry hyenas out there. Simples.

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Baybear i, m sorry for my outburst
you are correct
drink and sarcasm don't mix
and like yourself i, m just an ordinary joe
please take my apologies and hope to say so in person on tuesday. sorry

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@3 No bother at all Les. It's just opinions on a forum.
@2 I agree, maybe a paper not in Scotland? I also agree with your assessment that it's not criminal activity just amoral business. I only commented about criminal activity as this seems to be the general jist of what's worrying George. He's mentioned being careful, having backup, being scared etc. I just thought rather than give the guy anymore pelters I should try and offer a bit of advice and support.

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24 Aug 2013 20:20:05
Ffs les that was a bit much mate, as far as I've seen BB has never been anything other than concerned and decent gers man, a few swallys may have been taken before the post I think, let's get back to being fans together buddie, tommyblue

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