Rangers Banter Archive April 24 2013

 

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24 Apr 2013 21:44:29
On a positive note, Traynor has some fabulous new material for Charles' book; resignation, Whyte claiming assets, serious fraud squad, LSE enquiry,

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On a serious note Traynor must walk or be removed. Picking up a huge wage and perks for doing what exactly? Writing Charlies book?

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24 Apr 2013 20:37:35
remember cw was lways a prefered creditor with rangers , so in reality could he not have really owned the assets

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Whyte had a standing charge over the assets from his Miami umbrella corp.
D&P never legally negated that charge.
In addition, Whyte "bought" the assets from D&P using sevco 5088 and CG as a front. But did £5.5m ever get handed over or was it a cosy arrangement between D&P and Whyte?

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The final disbursements of the oldco's money by D&P at the end of the period of administration will need to have been squeaky clean as this whole episode is going to be forensically examined and the truth will come out.
If there was fraud then creditors who were not made whole at the time will want their money.

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24 Apr 2013 20:25:48
I could honestly greet. This world is full of liars, charlatans and decievers that couldn't give an actual f**k about any of us.
You know what, this is nothing to do with Rangers/Celtic, Protestant/Catholic, Scottish/English etc. This is all to do with the rich and greedy using the passions of the ordinary football fan against them while they blatantly laugh at how stupid our passion makes us. I'm truly sickend by football as a whole! It's just a disgusting display of utter contempt for the ordinary fan. From prima donna players with no idea how lucky they are to ruthless, shamless chairmen/agents etc. I sit here totally f**king sick of it all. There's truly no loyalty in football anymore apart from us the supporters!. and as for you RST f**kers! why are you standing by saying and doing f**k all? Make yourself useful and do something to represent us all for a change! Organise a proper demo, try to galvanize us all and stop the in fighting. We may disagree on one or two points but there's not a Rangers fan out there who isn't sick of all this! It's not as though you're doing f**k all else to help us is it?!

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Totally agree with your post mate, and i'm gutted at what these people are doing and have done to our club.

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John brown was a game changer tonight. To claim Ally and Walter knew what he knew totally implicates them in a deception of the fans. I honestly think the two of them should leave, there is no excuse that they can make. Ally, for all his camera hogging has played the legend card for long enough. He also backed whyte!

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Great post, sums up how most Gers fans are feeling at the moment, pig sick

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Me too sick of it all, never thought i'd ever say this but I don't think i, l be back at ibrox till i'm 100 % sure that the [people that are running the club are 100% honest rangers men, oh for the days of the lawrence family, david holmes, scott symon, bill struth when we had honesty and a respectible club that was respected throughout the world doug t. s. o

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24 Apr 2013 22:02:24
Falkirk fan here. Why should I not laugh at yous?
In the 90s we nearly died but still our High station
was full of (football)? fans flocking to ibrox/parkhead
Rangers think all scottish footballs ills are because you
are in 3rd division, well there not. Its you that died
not us (Falkirk) or the fact Hearts+Dunfermilne seem
punped. Their problems go way back to when you had
a big say in how Scotthsh football was run. 11/1 vote
Anyone? Now really, hands up, who gives a **** about
Falkirk at ibrox? No one exactly. But do you know what
? if rangers ceased to exist so what. Scottish football
would still go on, yeah not as rich, but que sera.


Bairn and proud.

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Doug, you should be sure you were defending green a few weeks ago mate. They are all in it up to their necks.

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Cheers Falkirk, you're all heart.
What exactly is your need to be on a forum about Rangers rumours/banter if you've no interest in Rangers. I don't recall ever feeling the need to scour the internet for a Falkirk forum so I can tell you I don't care about Falkirk?! The fact you're on here suggests you do have an interest. Just another example of unneccasary hatred towards us simply because we support Rangers. Quite honestly I can't be a*5ed posting more justification for the club I follow. What I will say is this, if you've ever read my posts before you'll know that I have no hatred towards other Scottish clubs or their supporters. I simply love mine. My posts are on a forum about Rangers and are directed at my fellow Rangers supporters. Responses like yours are neither helpful or neccessary and simply make you appear like a contradictory f00l. Enjoy your bitterness X

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@5 great post mate! All this "wow is me" prattling is truly a joke! Now they are blaming all the charlatans at their club! let's face it, before liquidation they had the chance to take control in a positive way but they sat on their hands and believed a new "Rangers man" millionaire would ride in to save them, delusional just doesn't come close to describing these people! These charlatans tell them what they want to hear and then it is blindly follow at all costs! They reap what they sow!

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To point (4), couldn't agree more with up you mate other than the neccessity for honest Rangers men at the helm. In my opinion integrity and business accriment are principal requirements and if they happen to be Rangers minded, all the better!

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N5 yes you the falkirk fan we will laugh at you're lot when we go past youse in the league I won't attend you're ground when we meet cause I don't know where falkirk is smallperson

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I turned my back on fitba during the advocatt years for that very reason. Then there was the Glaziers at Man U, and problems for Liverpool, Portsmouth etc, players no longer playing for the jersey and the fans being milked. Champions league monopolized, Fifa worth billions, Its rotten to the core.

The only way to get the game back on its feet is to turn off the telly!

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@10 I don't think your club will be passing falkirk for quite a few years lol
Don't think that the The Rangers will even survive that long! Enjoy ;-)

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Poster 5 yes and do you remember brockville being filled with old firm fans over the years, so don't gloat we kept your team afloat for many a year, maybe you don't remember but you were on the end of a 7-1 defeat from gers at brockville, davy wilson scoring 6 of them, that's how far back I go visiting brockville doug t. s. o

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Yes I honestly thought green was making progress, ok with car sales talk till you sign on dotted line but what was his long term plans for gers? if you think about it we would have been dead and buried without him a year ago, about 3 years ago john brown was in my house and even then he knew things were bad as he said then we will need to put up with big lafferty next year that's all we can afford, I think john would have the present squad slackers on their toes in next to no time he's in the jock wallace mould, a man not to be messed with doug t. s. o

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24 Apr 2013 18:42:53
WOW! John Brown has just blown the whole thing open guys. He has just said live on radio that he told people in Ibrox what he knew about Green. He said he tried to warn Walter and Ally but they wanted hard evidence. Fair enough, but why would they not trust a team mate and true Rangers fan? He then said that Green told him he had the power to close the doors and would do it! He also told Traynor, who he considered as a friend, what he knew. As John put it, "a few months later he walks into a job at rangers, and a nice pension top up" Did Traynor use the info to leverage a job out of Green? This really stinks. There is a corrupt streak running through the club and everyone there is smeared, I include Ally and Walter. These are wealthy men because of Rangers, but greed seems to have made them forget the club is the fans! Get the lot of them out as soon as possible. John also claimed that people should keep watching, what next!

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Fascinating listening to Bomber totally slaughtering Jabba and making his disappointment with Ally & Walter clear, they were told Green would have no qualms about shutting Ibrox down and that he was still involved with Craig Whyte but both still opted for the Green shilling.

I'll have zero sympathy when Ally gets the bullet for being our worst ever manager.

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Walter and Ally have never put a penny into Ibrox but taken millions upon millions out over the years.

Traynor had published three times it was a new club. He kept doing that as leveridge for a job. Obviously now he had the Bomber material also. Traynor has to go.

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I had a feeling that Mccoist knew all along about this set up, now he is having a touch of amnesia claiming he wants clarity, playing to the fans and looking out for himself. He has been a yes man throughout CG and CW era, - time to stop going to Ibrox to line these peoples pockets. The only true supporters are the fans.

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Smith got the nod from SDM (so he has known all along but said nothing) that's why he quit as manager, he warned McCoist what he was taking on (so he has also known all along but said nothing) but he still took it on and is being very well paid for being absolutely terrible at his job and now Smith is back at the club too! Its bad enough being lied to and mislead by Whyte, Green etc but Smith and McCoist! I never would have believed it.

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It's a shame that it took you this long to really open your eyes, I'm not having a go, but you guys needed to clear house and start fresh this season. Not everything is about Celtic making things up when they come on here to help and give you a heads up.

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Let's not forget Bomber got a nice cushy job for keeping quiet too. No-one comes out of this with any credit.

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Bomber has probably figured out a scam was on and the shape of it - re- the deed.

But Whyte&Green are experts with scams, and proof will be very hard to find, they construct mazes of companies and deals, and links.

Publish one error - and they SUE - big style.

Green could have stopped whyte at any time by publishing details of the deeds and the purchase document from D&P - but this is deliberately shrouded in mystery

more than likely ticketus, whyte, Zeus, green, d&p are all in this together and screwing each other over at the same time.

Each conning each other out of a prize pot that's only big enough for 3 of them.

none can publish full facts without incriminating each other, so leaks and out-of-court settlements are the way it will pan out.

who blinks first.

Green with deal to seel his shares, whyte claims they worthless, green says whyte lieing and false claims, whyte says firm legal case and SFO coming in, and so it escalates - until one blinks and settles.

all the while rangers bleeds to death.

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Alex Thomson put a post up months ago showing an email between Traynor and Whyte, Traynor gave Whyte final approval on anything he wrote regards him and surprise, surprise, at one point makes reference to maybe get a job. Sleazy, self-serving rat Traynor.

Everyone wonders what he does, at least it's now apparent WHY he does.

Gaz

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@7/ Afew weeks ago I might have agreed with you. Now I think they see the pot is big enough for them all. I honestly can see the club being closed down and having to start again like Wimbledon, entering the junior leagues and renting a small ground. It really is that serious. Green and the rest of these guys just want profit, how they get it does not matter.

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Look to Lloyds, SDM and D&P. That's how it all started. That's how after three years Lloyds arranged their walkaway payday.

SDM still in bed with Lloyds owing £450m and losing £100m a year. But troublesome RFC well history.

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Im a rangers fan of 52 years and i'm totally disgusted with what's happening at the club, not just today
its been that way since all this started. And although i'm loathe to say
it, timmy who we all thought were just making it all up, myself included,
were spot on, perhaps if we had at least, made inquiries as to what they were saying, we may have been able
to do something just as they did when their team was in the depths of despair, but no, in hindsight we let
our dislike of them, well I did, prevent us from doing anything other than being taken in by liars and conmen. apologies for the rant but iv, e had enough. jimbo.

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(11) Well said. And no hard feelings. Believe me when I say that seeing the genuine suffering of real fans. well. it puts you right off your jelly and ice cream! Time to build bridges!

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Jimbo. It's not too late mate. Don't let the bast@rds beat you out of your club. I wish Celtic and rangers fans could stand together (as we have in times of tragedy ) and help you clean out Ibrox and the whole bunch if accomplices at the sfa, sfl spl. Hang in there bears! Get organised and take back your club. Good luck. HH. Joe

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Im a celtic fan but I have to say I feel so bad for the rangers fans you suport rangers throw good and bad times but now it seems like the whoul of ibrox needs cleaned out brown told them about green and what did they all do stood by another man out to take from rangers how much more do you take
i whant a strong rangers back but I whant an honest rangers david murry onwards rangers have been lost if I was the rangers fans i'd protest get the lot out get brown in as manager and let the fans find away of takeing over good luck in the future I honestly hope rangers get throw this sooner than later but I honestly think they need what mcoist said clenseing starting with macoist after all he sold graig white and green on you ranger fans how do you trust him now great player in his time but he's made a lot of money out of the hearteck of the rangers fans you have a wonderful suport you deserved beter fingers crossed for you all god bless

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&11. )
not having a dig - but what exactly did the celtic fans do? I seem to remember they were 45 minutes or so away from folding? before the bunnet turned up

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@ 15 I remember the celtic fans with their banners SACK THE BOARD on a regular basis along with protests out side their ground for change which drew attention to the money men what state their club was in. We rangers fans done nothing other than what I said in my original post. jimbo

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@Bil 72, Not The View put that board under the microscope for years prior to McCann buying the club, they criticised and questioned everything that the board were trying to pass under our noses with diligence and facts. Two things in short supply currently within a sizeable chunk of the Rangers support.

Gaz

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@15) That post is just arrogant, factless and shows you to be an example of the types who are more interested in what Celtic think than actually doing something to save your club. I imagine if this is all going the same way come the cup final, If hibs beat Celtic everything will be ok in the world again. If you too lazy to do the homework on what Celtic fans done to oust the Kelly's from Parkhead then why bother posting and getting involved in the debate in the first place?

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24 Apr 2013 15:53:05
AIM exchange regulations. Green cannot sell shares until early January 2014. No shortcuts or spiv tricks possible.

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Unless it is written in to his club contract. Which it seemingly is.

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He can sell them to an individual but not on thr open Exchange

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Club contract does not negate aim/ LSE regulations. His contract is inferior to legal regs.

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But whyte challenging that shares have no value in IPO, just ibrox and assets.

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24 Apr 2013 14:13:05
One answer = Jim McColl (The Only Man to Take Rangers forward. Properly!)

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Is he not on record as saying he has no interest in buying into a football club? That could change obviously but it seems he is semi retired and spending his money enjoying himself!

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He wouldn't touch it with a long barge pole. There's huge legal issues over assets and companies and D&P and premises raids.

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The question is does he want to waste millions of his money? As soon as you take over a club like rangers in the state its in you stand to lose plenty, I really don't think he will touch rangers.

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Aye and we have been waiting on that rumour coming to fruition for about 5 years. Where was he when Murray was selling the old club for a pound? were was he when the oldco rode the white horse into oblivion taking our history and trophies? where was he when Bill Ng, Bill Miller, Charles Green and the Blue Knights were bungling about trying to get an acceptable offer for the assets and rights to the newco? He has apparently been making these noises forever but still hasn't got his foot in the door. If he has been trying, then consider the clowns who have beat him to it?

I swear if I had a pound for every time I have heard the Jim McColl rumour I could buy a controlling stake in the club myself, that's not even an exaggeration. With the mess this club has been in and the fact our great club has been passed around like a piece pipe, how on earth would a man with his money have any trouble getting the keys? The rational answer would be that the man doesn't want Rangers. And if he wanted to invest, he could have done it long before now.

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The reason he is not involved is
probably down to the fact he is too honest. jamie.

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Anybody with a brain in their head would surely stay clear until current mess is cleared up then show interest is surely the easiest way cg and cw could both face court charges for fraud then anybody interested could buy rangers for buttons

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24 Apr 2013 12:44:10
Dave king has said he wants Greens shares, king is the man I have wanted at rangers since day one. already invested 20million lost it but still wants involved. he new Charles green was at it and said so at the time he took over. ( Green insists he paid £2 but King, who invested £20m in Rangers 12 years ago, said: "In my view, based on previous discussions with Mr Whyte, it is unlikely in the extreme that he would sell 'his' shares to Mr Green for a nominal sum (even if he hadn't committed them to me) unless he was obtaining some benefit or retaining some control. ) WE need Dave king!!

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Just read the piece and on balance I too hope Dave King is genuinely interested. CheltBlue

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If its proven both cg and cw commited fraud in obtaining ibrox the sale would be nul and void letting next owner buy it for a song

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24 Apr 2013 12:33:11
Malcolm Murray has stated that Rangers are in a "healthy financial position". Remember these words. I think this might come back to bite him on the bum.

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24 Apr 2013 13:09:25
Craig Mathers appointed interim chief executive.

Mathers bought 10% of the club in July 2012.

Now correct me if i'm wrong but i'm quite positive I have read numerous times that Charles Green was Rangers biggest share holder with 8%.

Am I wrong or is this just another example of the kind of lies we get fed day after day?

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Sadly you are right mate. Mather was brought in as chucks man with development his main job. How many times has he been at Murray park? Was he involved in bringing players last season? Seems like he is here to make sure chuck knows what is going on in the boardroom and to keep him strong.

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Maithers share was 10% of the original buy in share. When the iPo was finalised his share was diluted to 3% hope this helps you.

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TV evening news showed mathers sitting on Greens right hand side every game.
They muted his voice but it sounded like an Englishman putting on a fake Scottish accent.

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24 Apr 2013 10:11:32
You get the feeling a lot of these "rumours" are more like "wishes" from some fans.

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Oh my God! don't you wish you had listened to the rumours when whyte arrived? Or Green? Or the financial problems rumours? Get a grip man before it gets worse.

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24 Apr 2013 11:30:31
Quite right O-P. I think some people hate the idea of 2 very successful local business tycoons who are also 110% Rangers men puttng their money into the club in order to restore it the glory days of old.

Lets not listen to the smears sent out of our haters let's welcome our new investors who at least we know who they are not like some of the faceless crew from the far east.

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I'ts not as if there are any investigations ( internal or other ) ongoing into Rangers affairs presently. only a figment of the dark sides wicked imagination. can we all come out from under the duvet now?

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@2/ Loyalty is to be admired, blind loyalty is to be mocked mate. You really think these guys are going to pump cash into a loss making business? Total revamp is needed, that will be their first job if they are competent businessmen.

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OP I agree, we know we have had and still do have problems. However if you were to allow some of the posts to dictate what happens next to our club, my god we would be in more trouble than we are in already. It seems yet again the guilty verdict has been passed on all issues before the trial. Now I am not saying there is no guilt or no wrong doing, but I am NOT in the know nor do I have access to all the paperwork to make proper and sound judgements on regarding any one individuals actions within Ibrox! It seems to me that many on here have as they are banding figures about, and further they clearly have physic powers. And not only that they have appointed themselves as the executioner, with the hangman's rope ready for everyone currently involved and anyone that dares to show an interest. Best Interests of our Club at Heart. I don't think so.

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@2 pmsl bet you put the exact sane post up when Whyte arrived and the tithe exact same post when green arrived! For people like you I am glad your club is heading down the tubes again! What a tube you are mate!

Glad to see the decent people who support your club starting to ask some questions and disgusted with what is going on at the club! For these people I truly feel sorry! But then an person likes you comesalong and starts posting your tripe! People like you won't be missed when the club gets shafted by low lifes again!

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We've got f all choice here. If it's investment from someone with form, or locked gates at Ibrox, I would rather the show went on myself at any cost.

White was squeaky clean, Green was squeaky clean. At least we know this one is going to be slippery, so we keep a close eye on him. Who knows, maybe somebody with a bit of gumption can do what the others couldn't.

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@5/ Read the Rangers statement to the AIM. Look at the contracts exposed in the paper, this was not lies it was in black and white. Look at the list of companies, under the Rangers banner, Green controls. Ashley has 49% of the merchandising. These are not rumours mate.

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@7/ Are you mad? Whyte and Green were squeaky clean! There were warnings all over the internet but your fans choose to ignore it. Not just from celtic fans but Sheffield Utd as well. My god open your eyes as to what has happened.

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24 Apr 2013 10:09:11
Surely if rangers want a fresh start they can't be letting people who have be to jail for vat fraud buy into the club. surely the sfa have powers to over see for the good of all football who is running our clubs who buys into them. my god these are the people that said Craig whyte Murray, Charles green were all respectable people to run the club, I find it hard to understand why you rangers fans have been so pathetic in letting all this happen, only handful of people now and again, this would never happen over at celtic. gujo

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Sadly Murray would pass any test as he was a respected businessman till the sale to whyte. To allow Easedale to buy a chunk of shares would be dangerous and project the wrong image.

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I have to agree. I think it would be a big mistake with the Grimsdales buying more shares.
I feel it will be a massive step backwards having them involved at a boardroom level.

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With 14% they'd be into everything, running the buses, selling the strips, turning Murray park into office blocks, selling the steelwork as scrap (big prices for steel at moment).

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He was jailed (the Brother) 14 years ago. i'm sure he's allowed to pay his dues to society and then try to make a life for himself. They've done well for themselves and who should say what they can and can't do with their money. The more real money is invested the better, Mather invested a million and i'm sure he's not rich enough to not care where it goes. CheltBlue

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24 Apr 2013 19:21:46
@3 everything that makes any profit is already syphoned off, just like Murray did, and you have all sat back and done feck all but blame Peter lawwell. mike Ashley gets 49%of all merchandising, st midden chief gets contract to produce strip, do some digging ffs and find out wether its worth putting your money in or find somebody with rangers best interests at heart and back them, just not ex board members, they all covered up stuff that let you get into this mess.

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24 Apr 2013 08:27:50
Craig Mather appointed as interim chief executive - thoughts?

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Seems to be Green's man. Green holds all the aces, with whyte lurking in the background. If the rumours are true Walter and Murray are very unhappy at this sale. This boardroom in fighting is very negative business wise.

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Friend of Green nuff said.

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24 Apr 2013 04:49:40
James Traynor has been abducted by aliens, what other reason could there be for his deafening silence over the last number of weeks. Surely Head of PR should be at the forefront and not McCoist/Smith?

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Last heard his granddaughter ill and he in Oz with her. ?

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Green puts in £25k loan - gets it back in 2 days.

Fans put in £5million is hard cash

Green now walks away with £3million of the fans hard cash. this is the saviour?

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I would have imagined having a Rangers man on the inside at the DR would have been much more useful. I can only think that he asked for a position, and was given it as reward for years of loyal service, but only an honorary position, he's not allowed to be a club spokesman. Or else he's coordinating PR things, not fronting it.

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Jim WHOOO? Another vulture taking a massive salary out of your club courtesy of "The Chuckmeister". your'e being picked clean by every vulture in the vicinity and The Chuckmeister is off loading shares to the next one!

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@3) I would ask you as a football fan what interest do you or any other fan have in having an influence at the Daily R*cord? What has that got to do with football? Just nonsense mate.

Or do you lot have an obsession with holding an influence over the media in this country? I mean the phone-ins reek of it, the SFA was found out years ago to be reeking of it, the head of referee's (Dallas) true colours become common knowledge a few years back and lost his job over it (Another reeking fiasco).

Just concentrate on the football son.

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