Rangers Banter Archive September 23 2013

 

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23 Sep 2013 22:15:37
How embarrassing must it be for a manager to phone a player (zaliukas)without a club and beg him to play for you?. And then that player to turn you down! ROTFLFLMAO!

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Thank goodness he isnea comin.

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23 Sep 2013 23:47:06
@op and 1) who said Zaliukas isn't coming? Am I missing something? Is he defo not coming? I was laughed at when I said why does Zaliukas have to go back to lithuania to think things over after his trial had finished weeks ago? All I got was I don't think they mean he has went home to Lithuania lol he has just went home to his house in Edinburgh to think things over, to many people on here want to jump on the bandwagon and want to ridicule people on here well to all that people just look at today's dail record back page Monday the 23rd and see for yourself's and this same people will maybe wait and find out the facts first before they get keyboard happy and want to try and be smart next time, I could name names but what is the point that would make me just as bad as them, but you's know who you's are!

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24 Sep 2013 00:00:31
@op aye mate and how embarrassing is it for you that you to feel the need to keep coming on to a Rangers site when you don't even support Rangers, pot calling the kettle black sound familiar? And how do you know what he said to ally on the phone? Are you so obsessed by wanting to know what's going on at Rangers you bugged his phone lol, stick to supporting your own club and putting up crap on that site!

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My intention was not to ridicule you
Alex 1972 and I'm sorry if you feel
this way it was just my opinion that
if he had a home in Edinburgh why
go back to his own country strange
again accept my apologies
billy h

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Alex, there's no point. Too many people are on the anti-mccoist bangwagon just now. I don't believe he should remain manager for much longer. But I won't be joining in with no name posts (probably obsessed celtic fan) in slating mccoist for indicating that he will speak to a player himself. Often speaking to a manager, rather than a CEO, can convince a player to move.

Gaz.

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Don't know if he is coming however isn't it strange someone who is unemployed is taking so much time to think things through? I might be wrong but it does suggest he isn't that keen to come. Maybe he is hoping for a better offer from Rangers however surely he could tell that to the club rather than drag it out

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Let me firstly say I am not a fan of Ally as a manager, but let's be fair it was said he rang him for an answer, the word beg is yours.

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@2 Are you seriuos men. You are asking me and fellow Bears to read and believe what is in the Record. FFS mate I sopped reading that paper years ago. To many innacurate stories.

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Zaliukas has done a sneaky on McSneaky, Priceless!

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24 Sep 2013 14:24:42
@4 billy h no worries pal your name wasn't even one I had thought about it was just I knew there was something up weeks ago why go all the way back to lithuania after a trial to make up your mind? The alarm bells where ringing then weeks ago! He might still sign but it looks like he may be holding out for more money from us, it may of been a low offer or he's thinking about the situation at hearts (the not getting paid etc) and maybe has an idea of how big a mess we are in financially and dosent want to take the chance that it may happen at Rangers, I have also heard a rumour FC Kansus (spelling) club b4 hearts have been talking to his agent, but I think ill just put that one down as a porky (but you never now) M8

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24 Sep 2013 14:29:29
@5 Gaz yep mate totally agree with you 100%

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Op yeah a manager calling a player to get him to sign for you no decent manager or player would ever do that

Or would they

It was a call from Mourinho that prevented Eto'o joining Manchester City in 2009, when then manager Mark Hughes moved to partner the Cameroonian with Carlos Tevez. "Before I signed for Inter, I was really close to joining City, " he says.
"But once again I got this fabulous call from Jose Mourinho and the magic just happened.

Person

JG

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23 Sep 2013 16:41:33
Interesting statement on the clubs
official web page concerning our
annual returns, companies house, and
the bbc
billy h

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Bbc are haters of the most successful club scotland has ever seen

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@1 YAWN!

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Interesting comments from the club billy h. not as interesting as reading the audited accounts will be tho. Especialy now the the club have claimed as having been accepted; so anybody got a link so we can all read them for ourselves?

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Surely that club statement is hugely over sensitive/ protective/ defensive compared to most clubs who receive inaccurate reporting?
Is it a calculated deflection or what?
Bears have huge lists of questions and the rangers media machine is more interested in this stuff rather than issuing answers.

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@ OP do you remember the good old days when the club said something you knew it to be the truth? On the other hand in answer to the fans of other teams who come on here and accuse us of paranoia about the BBC's agenda against us I would use the old quote "just because we are paranoid doesn't mean the b#ggers are not out to get us"

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BBC doing their job. surely a good thing they are asking questions, same questions we all have! Do we really want them to ignore us and just hope everything turns out ok?!

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Leaked info companies house deny the rangers board quick to play the old/new club so the fans the think the bbc are at it again

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As a non rangers fan, may I applaude Baybears reply to this post, your consistant mate well done sir, Algarvebhoy

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The accounts are for rangers football club limited not RIFC and available for a fiver on companiesintheuk website for a fiver. I look forward to the accountants on here scrutinising them and telling us how much has been taken out of that subsidiary company which belongs to RIFC though

JG

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@6 how are they doing their job when they are publishing lies? I agree they should report what's going on at the club but only if it's factual. Is that not proper journalism?

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Seems to me the timing of the BBC thing helped the Mcoll camp. George guy also similar, helping the McColl camp.

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@8 Shhhhh my reputation as a Rangers man will be called into question again LOL :0)
I'm just bored with all the excuses mate. Bottom line is that it's not a vendetta against Rangers. It's just what happens when there is no consistency in reporting then someone has the balls to tell it how it is. There is an element in our support that have to take responsibility for this inconsistency because people are scared to tell the truth for fear of reprisals. This is the very same reason for the division in our support. There are those who accept the truth and want to move forward with dignity and there are those who continue to defend the undefendable with bullying and threats. These are the people who stop the truth being out there but still feel entitled to moan about the lack of clarity? and I include our own manager in that statement.

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The question is who is feeding them these snippets of information, someone in the big hoose, is there some hidden agenda, there is no smoke without fire.

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To Baybear, You don't need to worry about your street cred as a bluenose mate. I don't always agree with you but your comments are open and progressive.
What our fellow fans must remember is that murray was happy to open Ibrox to the media when he wanted to bum about what he had done for us. Look how much he was lying and he has the audacity to say whyte duped him.
The current board and their recent members have plenty of questions to answer, but take note of JG's[ @9] and try to support the team.
billyb

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24 Sep 2013 11:24:07
Well said Baybear, hate bears going down the paranoia route and personally I think the ones who use the word 'hater' are bigots themselves half the time - and they sound like teenage lassies.

PS. I enjoyed for instance Paul Murray being interviewed on Radio Scotland and certainly haven't noticed any anti BBC agenda against the McColl/Paul Murray faction which I support myself. In fact there's been lots of positive things said about them on air.

Time for an end to the BBC ban. It's achieved nothing. Likewise banning bloggers from Ibrox even if I think one of them is a complete person isn't going to achieve anything. This board seem to think the North Korean model is a good idea. Wish we could BAN THEM.

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At a time were there seem to be a fight back with board being economical with the truth we need as many friends as we can as a headline in a paper is worth any amount words on here or any amount of leaflets
. Les

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@14 cheers billy, open and progressive will do for me. Also got plenty of time for JGs points.
I can never be anything other than a Rangers supporter. I'd just like to feel that the club and myself represent the same set of moral values. Recently that has been a difficult feeling to come by.

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@15 I agree with the majority of your post except "certainly haven't noticed any anti BBC agenda against " Paul Murray and Jim McColl- you obviously missed the dreadful Jim Spence continually questioning whether Murray passed the Fit Person standard as he was part of the old board which failed.
Note not the BBC just Spence but why can't someone from Sportsound have a word in his shell-like?

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23 Sep 2013 16:37:48
Very poor game, but a win, no excuses just not an acceptable performance, just the kick up the backside the team needed, now is the time to get their heads down, work harder than the other teams, and earn the praise, we have a long way to go, ignore the press, they hate us, but love us, we fill their boring rags, Still the only club in Scotland, Rangers, always, Billy.

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How many kick up the backsides does the team need? This was over used last season every time we got a bad result but it was still poor stuff. The team had already lost at Forfar this season so why would they need a kick up the backside to perform again

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@OP: yup, the press hates Rangers - that's why there's been very little proper coverage of what's really going on at the club.

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24 Sep 2013 01:14:35
very little coverage? are you mad sir? or maybe just blind and deaf, maybe all 3, TB

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24 Sep 2013 07:05:01
@4: proper coverage. The media isn't telling the fans what's really happening. So-called journalists here don't want to rock the boat too much so fans hate been in the dark, wondering what to believe on blogs etc.

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#3 by very little coverage the celtic fans mean they want more explosive headlines like the lies alex thompson spewed about the big tax case etc before we were correctly found not guilty

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@5: only 'not-guilty' in some of the cases. Guilty in the rest and remember the appeal.

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@6 poster 5 does have a valid point about Thompson he did go on and on and on about Rangers being guilty of tax evasion and cheating there way to titles. He made out that it was a done deal and the club were guilty. The big tax case was never going to be as clear cut as these things never are. Even if HMRC win the appeal it's still a very grey area and you can't say 100% that Rangers were in the wrong. The tax laws need to be tighter but that's a discussion for another type of forum

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23 Sep 2013 15:50:15
This site recently has turned into an anti-mccoist hate mafia. He doesn't give youth a chance? The majority of youth at ibrox are not good enough to deserve a chance. Hutton? Perry? Laughable. Top of the league, unbeaten and one poor performance against forfar the knives are out again. Did rangers never scrape a 1-0 win during the romp to 9 in a row? Ok these teams now are part time and we should be wiping the floor but everyone has a bad day at the office. Its still 3 points. We are not going to win the league unbeaten so get behind the gaffer and support your team!

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Not sure if the 9 in a row teams played against teams of Forfar's calibre. How many bad days at the office has the team had since McCoist took over? R u happy with the embarrassing cup exits and the defeats last season to Stilring Albion, Peterhead & Annan? Do you really believe the team is going in the right direction with him in charge? Can you honestly say that he is the right man for the job?

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You can support the team but still not rate the manager. He isn't the answer and unless he is replaced then you can forget about winning the top league with him in charge.

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Sensible post at last. Well put, were always going to have some disappointing performances, but atleast we got the result (unlike last season) and keep r selves firmly at the top of th league.

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Well said. let's not forget it was some of the young players who stepped up last season namely aird, Macleod, Hutton, Mackay, Little, Crawforand Hegarty.
Get behind the Manager and players.

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Sorry fella but it ain't one bad day at the office, it is constant c. p.

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Are you not a bit worried that certain players in the team can't even do the basics right? Some couldn't control the ball or pass it 10 yards. Foster looked like someone who hadn't played the game before and Smith was totally lost in midfield. Fans are entitled to be entertained and it's not good enough just to scare by producing shocking football

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Ally doesn't help himself. He drops young McAusland in favour of a journeyman player in Foster who can't do the basics. Barry McKay a promising young winger with a goal threat can't get into the team due to McCoist playing an over the hill left back in Smith who can't play in that position and has no goal threat. Before the game started we all knew what you would get with Andrews & Dodds 2 honest hard working defenders who excel in the air but are found wanting on the ground. So what does Ally do plays an immobile centre forward who would never beat those 2 in the air and is just as poor in the ground in place of a young striker who scored 41 goals in the league last season and has the pace to trouble the Forfar defence. He even said after the game that he wasn't surprised that Andrews had such a good game as those types of games suited him. So it begs the question when you have players with pace on the bench why pick a player who plays to the opposition strengths? that's not the actions of a good manager

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@ OP regarding "the majority of youth at Ibrox are not good enough" could that be because in spite of having the best facility in Scotland for developing young home bred talent the managers have felt it is easier to try and buy success. Or when it is there it doesn't get the chance e.g Barry Ferguson under Walter Smith. Possibly Andrew Shinnie voted one of the best 4 players in the SPL last year? Surely a good coach will recognise young talent and blend it in with more experience. I can only see Lewis McLeod getting a regular game this year- but if you have no money- youth is the only way to go. McAusland imo should start ahead of Foster and definitely MacKay ahead of Smith.

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McCoist and his buddies are responsible for what we have coming through at Murray park. McCoist is responsible for identifying signings. McCoist and his buddies are responsible for coaching and developing the players, young and old. McCoist is responsible for selecting the starting 11. Mcoist is responsible for tactics and formations. McCoist is responsible for upholding the traditions of dignity and respect once held above all else at Ibrox.
Since the first of June 2011 I have yet to see any evidence at all that he has either managed to achieve any of these things or that he is ever going to be capable.
In many ways he has actually taken us backwards. We seem to be the only fans in the world who are prepared to accept this c**p.
For all the issues we have at board level (and granted there are a great deal) Ally has been backed in terms of signings that he wanted. He displayed a lack of ability to manage the oldco players, a lack of ability to manage the young players and it now seems he is struggling to properly manage this current line up. When convenient he likes to remind us that his job is simply to manage the team and to put players on the park. However, when he fails at this he is all too quick to blame everyone and everything for his own failings as a manager. Maybe he should stick to his own mantra and just stick to managing instead of his demands for names, paper waving, finger pointing and defending the undefendable!
His stance on Iain Black has been nothing short of an embarrassment to our club. I also believe that it is not only some fans who feel this. It stands to reason that a fair few of his players will feel betrayed by their manager backing a player who bet against his own team mates.
I may be alone in my next statement but Ally McCoist bright star has all but faded in my eyes. His conduct over the last couple of years has left a bad taste and the fact that he is being rewarded so handsomely for his poor work is simply disgusting. He's had his chances, more than enough of them and I can't see at all why anyone would continue to back him as our manager.

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@9 ROUND OF APPLAUSE YOUR WAY BAYBEAR. mc coist rounded on CG last season for calling them the worst rangers team ever and yet today mc coist has a go at the exact same team, the man is showing double standards at every turn.

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@10 Just sick of the excuses, double standards and the ever constant calls to "give him a chance". He's had more chances than a celebrity junkie! what ever happened to 'we deserve better'?

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Yes baybear I am amazed at the blindfaith McCoist receives. in EVERY area you highlight he has failed. I have to be honest and state that it is not just his lack of skills management wise for me, it is the man himself, he has been cringeworthy at times with his constantly shifting views. The treatment of the 3 judges still rankles with me that was so low and a disgraceful way for Rangers Manager to behave. it is neverending he carries himself so badly. it is sad a complete destruction for me of a one time hero. was he always a knob but just success and cheeky chappie routine covered it up? sad days I wish he would do the right thing and quit before he takes us further away from playing quality well coached football. george

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@9 great post spot on! My heart sinks every time the supporters sing super Ally at the games. It's embarrassing how poor he is yet some fans still can't see by him. No wonder some people call us the gullible loyal!

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To be a good liar you have to have a good memory, think Ally's memory is maybe starting to fail him!

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Baybear leaving ally aside for now if this had been any other manager the entire rangers support would have been screaming for his head, and better managers with better records have went. So sooner the rangers support stop letting there loyalty for allys past exploits rule there feelings the better for rangers. Gger

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@15 another manager would have been sacked long ago

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Le Guen was not afforded the same time or loyalty. In fact, he was hounded out without being given time to make his mark as he wasn't a 'Rangers man'
Maybe someone could tell the press Ally has p1553d off the players by banning monster munch!

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23 Sep 2013 15:25:22
since I bought 2 season books last year and this and 2 sets of shares when they came out
i, d like to thank Ally for sticking to his word. yes we now play like Ajax
and of course i, d like to thank the board for wisely investing the fans hard earned cash for the future of our club

if carlsberg done sarcasm

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@les it`s more like the board filling their pockets with the money rather than putting it into the club.

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Thank god its sarcasm les and
we don't play like ajax as they
got gubbed 4-0 yesterday :o
billy h

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@2) Laughing to myself here at the thought of what PSV would do to today's Rangers after what they done to ajax yesterday. Double figures at half time lol

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Ac milan and ajax beaten that tells you how much celtic standards have fell

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@4 Why do you need to brig Celtic into it? This is a Rangers site, the thread is about Rangers but you need to drag their name into it. away and grow up ya tube!

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@4. What are you on about?

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23 Sep 2013 15:13:00
LOL it makes you think what is going on in ally`s head. I've just read he blamed weather conditions on the result of the game, lol, that`s coming from a guy standing at the sidelines wearing a suit, no hat, no scarf, no overcoat just a suit, c`mon ally enough is enough your excuses are becoming a little bit tedious we all know it was windy so the simple thing is adapt and play the ball on the ground ffs. some posters on here mention terriers at the players feet, simple answer="PASS THE BALL" tire the terriers, i`ve got a terrier dog and to tire her I get her to chase the ball, so come on ally it`s not rocket science, your players are getting paid to play football, they know how to play football so allow them to play football.

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Oops: my bad it was somewhere else I read about the other teams playing like terriers around rangers players feet, so apologies folks for my wee rant, but I think you know what I mean;.

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Have you not fiqured it out yet ally is rubbish and is only in it for the money and the friendly msm back him at all times he ain't going anywhere heard he even had a pop at he fans after the game on sunday for booing the team as they left for the team bus

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#2 I figured out a long time ago why he is there i`m just baffled why he is still there. and its not thru blind loyalty if it was loyalty why did he not sign for rangers all those years ago, instead he signed for sunderland as they offered more money.

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Ally has gone from the media freindly cheeky chappy to the embattled and adrift personality we see today

He has attempted to rally the support with several high profile set pieces - We don't do walking away was a great success.
As an Ibrox icon, his decision to back Charles Green and encourage season book sales was a pivotal moment in the whole saga.

His motives for doing so are now questioned - Green has become the devil incarnate - but Allys judgement in backing him to the hilt has not been analysed.

Serious errors followed
He knew everything that Bomber knew - Bomber is on record saying that he told Walter and Ally.
What did Ally do?

The demand to let the names of the panel be made public was a stupid.
He already knew the names - and the fact that potential harm to the members was a real possibility, given the high tensions of the time.

It seems he will back anyone - Murray (major and mini) Whyte, Green, Mather, Easdales - anyone offering security of tenure

His main interest has been self preservation.

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23 Sep 2013 09:03:43
This is my honest opinion, which I have developed over the past 100+ games of Ally's reign.

He has not got it and never will have it. Simple as that.

I don't think any Rangers fan didn't want Ally to succeed. He is a legend as a player, his strength of character has been admirable over the past 18 months and he has often been the glue holding us together during difficult times. But the facts are there for all to see, he just isn't management material. His style of play is negative and boring, he stands arms folded on the touchline looking about for inspiration when the going gets tough, he doesn't have the ability to change a game with an inspired substitution or tactical tweak. Nothing.

I had this debate in the pub a few weeks back and was told I was out of order, not a real fan and also that I was wrong because Ally was winning games. I'm sorry, but winning games at this level is the least we expect. As for not being a real fan, I just laughed at that part. I've been a match going fan for the past 15 years, my opinion is totally justified.

We had a chance to start afresh at the bottom level in Scottish football, after what we went through and the rules we broke, that was a chance we were presented with, a luxury that other club's probably wouldn't have been afforded. Doesn't matter how you look at it, it's true. Therefore we had an opportunity to build a whole new legacy, with a fresh and exciting style and philosophy that runs through the whole club and would stand us in good stead for the future. A chance to give our young lads the opportunity to play games and develop at a level where expectation is still there, where they will be forced to man up but where they, along with some experienced heads, would still be favourites and looking to win.

That is a chance I feel we have wasted. Ally has overpaid for average players who I feel are here for the money and nothing else. Maybe the prospect of being part of the team that gets Rangers back to the top is a part of it for some, but not all of them.

The Sandaza contract dispute and the Ian Black fiasco have both been embarrassing. I agreed Sandaza should have been sacked, but how Ian Black is still a Rangers player is beyond me. The guy bet AGAINST us, while playing FOR us. That is unacceptable and unforgivable. I don't care if he scored in the game, he is being paid handsomely by Rangers and by US, the fans, yet he uses that money to bet against us? Disgusting. Black will never have my support again.

Ally's reign in general has been disastrous on the pitch, his saving grace has been that off the pitch things have been even worse. I fear for Rangers when we get back to the top if Ally McCoist is still in charge.

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Well said OP and to support your case Mr McCoist said yesterday about the Forfar game "I think the fans got their money's worth"? Eh! on what planet?

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Rarely is there a post that I can agree with from beginning to end but in this case there is.

Steven- absolutely summed up my feelings about the whole fiasco.

Agree 100%

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23 Sep 2013 10:17:05
All depends - if we don't win league in first 2/3 years we're back then everybody will say Ally blew a once in a lifetime chance to devleop youth because he really hasn't given many of the lads a proper chance. If he wins league then Ally ill be seen as a legend.

Would prefer big Terry Butcher myself, pound for pound eaily the best manager in Scotland Look how he's pushing Celtic now on tiny resources & tactically different class from Ally. and I think he would come back if asked.

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@steven agree with you on most of your points, although we had the chance to start afresh that chance was taken away by D&P when they gave preferred bidder status to charles green& his non football mob. and with ally coming out with his "we don't do walking away" p%5h we were stuck with him too, didn`t want to play young ones even though that's all we had, played them all out of the posistion they grew up learning, punted high ball after high ball, had no tactical sense, well we had no chance of developing these players, and then yesterday he blames the wind, now I don't know about you but when I was growing up playing football every manager I ever had said "when its windy play the ball on the deck" afterall that`s why its called FOOTball and not PUNTball, now we will get on the "he needs a chance brigade" but that was a plastic pitch yesterday, those sort of pitches were designed to encourage playing the ball on the deck. imho he`s had plenty of chances and should do the honourable thing and step aside and let a football manager take over before it gets too late, as I feel if he doesn`t then a lot of venom will start to rear its ugly head.

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Until the fans express thier views at games the situation will never change. McCoist will be allowed to manage until we either do not get promoted or get beaten in the Ramsden's cup. We will never win the Scottish Cup, first decent team we play, we will be embarrassed. The money we are paying is a joke. Even saying that we need to pay more to encourage players to come to a lower league to justify is a joke. We should be investing in youth because even the young players at Rangers are not good enough. McCoist will never play youth, he has to go to allow Rangers to move forward and progress with young players. No one expects miracles in winning Scottish cups etc because we cannot get into Europe anyway so for a few years get the best young talent in and let them gel together and be ready to challenge in a few years. As long as we have Ally and his pals in charge, the "talent" we have at Murray Park will be wasted or will end up at another club. Time to go Ally!

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Totally agree, never has been and probably never will be Rangers manager standard. Should take over rom J traynor in the ibrox PR dept, save on the mammoth pay-off that would come his way if we ever woke up to his ineptitude. Team is polluted with very average ex scot prem mid table class players earning 2nd best wages in country who lack even the commitment of the opposition yesterday. If we come up against even an Aberdeen or Inv Caley in the Scot Cup brace yourself

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OP >. Great post, don't think anyone can really argue with what you have written. I believe Ally may not be afforded the time to pursue his dream and for that reason (even although it will probably be for the good of the club) it will be a sad day for many. I just hope that when the time comes he stands down from the position (possibly a move upstairs) and is not sacked.

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@7 you have hit the nail on the head about ally moving to another role inside ibrox, but I fear with this present board they may be hanging him out to dry, imo, if it all goes t&ts up at ibrox which I fear it will then ally is going to be thrown to the dogs by the board by blaming him for overspending (which is rubbish as its all free transfers) but that won't stop them lying, I fear ally is going to be a patsy in all this and that is why he has not been sacked, any other manager anywhere would have been packing his bags a long time ago, jeez just look at sunderland sittu; so ally good luck in your future pundit jobs on tv. IT`S BEEN EMOTIONAL.

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No way fans would pay money and wait for youth to develop you need a mixture in manutd had beckham scholes etc they still had hard core people like steve bruce cantona etc to bring them on that was ay mixture of youth and experience

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OneOten > I agree with your point about the board using Ally as some kind of deflector but I think their main reason in keeping him was/is the feared backlash from supporters to a sacking. I think if Green thought that he could have, he would have, however with fans now starting to question Ally's ability as manager I believe it is now only a matter of time before the board believes it to be a decision they can now afford. The bigger problem in my eyes is who would/could the board get to replace him and whether the support would endorse that decision.

CAJLTA.

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@3 " pushing Celtic" after 1/2 a dozen games, have a word every team still jockeying for position in league.

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Above posts it is fact that peoples posture is saying how that person feels and anybody standing with arms folded is being defensive

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100% agree I want Rangers to do well as a fan, to my shame because McCoist is SO RANK as a manager I find myself hoping we win but play s**** in hope people can work out that is is the worst Manager in our history by a mile. george

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Ed can I ask you were a month away from agm do you think wel survive the season {The Ed039's Note - I have my doubts, we will need to wait and see)

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23 Sep 2013 00:58:00
Sums the support up really. You can't expect to win ever game by 4 goals. Sometimes you will come up against a team of 'snappers' and if your team is not on form then it's trench warfare. 3points was the ultimate target from this game and they are in the bag. Do I think Ally is the right man, absolutely not but he is in the post and the points are being captured. I think that Terry B will eventually take over but until then. 3 points every game will do for now.

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Wee Man

I agree that Ally is not the answer - but you are wrong about Butcher

He will never come back to Ibrox.

Read his book - same reason as Sir Alex

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OP - WeeMan >. A very good summary of the game, I agree with most of what you have written. I still haven't made my own mind up about whether Ally is the right man but I totally agree with you that while he is in charge, the supporters must get behind him. The ultimate objective for Rangers is to get through these divisions as quickly as possible and if we win anything else on the way it's a bonus, 100% league record, the only club in Scotland to have that. Yeah I know it's a lower division, but that's the one we are playing in at the moment.

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Fans have a right to expect good football but some of the players can't even do the basics. Also your taking a very short term view on things Ally isn't building a team ready to challenge for the top league he is just ensuring we go up the leagues. Don't expect Rangers under him to compete with Celtic once we get there and there is a real possibility they will beat 9 in a row

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Sir Alex has been back at Iborx plenty times to watch games. He is still a supporter.

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He has also been to Celtic pk many times and is a very close friend of nl, butcher would not touch rangers with a barge pole he will move to England close season might even be Sunderland no doubt lennons name will be put around as well, and another thing rangers will be lucky to see another manger ther time is up bad times are on its way to the club once again and me for one does not Jinky it will come back this time

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I am not talking about being a supporter - as I said read the books of both of these guys - and wonder what might have been

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24 Sep 2013 01:22:55
Firstly Sir alex and his mostly his wife didmnt wabnt to join because of the religious aspect, that was long ago and was relevent at both old firm clubs have no doubt about that, and T Butcher s wife also didn't want her man involved in the glasgow hatefest either as he was becoming to close to it, I suspect you are trying to make out a major problem exists at Ibrox, not so, proven by the many different religions who, ve played for the club TB

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Tommyblue

Ferguson was approached years after Jock Stein was in charge (mid seventies from memory)
Celtic had a totally inclusive policy in place for decades before

Ferguson and Butcher have stated in their books what the atmosphere was like at Ibrox - I don't want to fall foul of the eds by explaining what is in print. Read it yourself - but it does concern the faith / background of their wives.

I never "made out a major problem" as you accused me of - Just pointed out that the two best candidates for Rangers in their hours of desparate need chose to stay away due to the "culture"

Instead of indulging in knee jerk whitaboutery - have a wee thought as to what still goes on at The Club.

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