Rangers Banter Archive May 23 2013

23 May 2013 12:57:31
The BBC's 'the men who sold the jerseys' is quietly being brushed under the carpet again.
First was the FTTT result which brought the programme's claims into question, now we have the result from the 13 month investigation into Duff and Phelps by the Insolvency Practitioners Association who have cleared Duff and Phelps and stated they were compliant with the IPAs code.
No apology from the BBC, zilch, nada, maybe they think that the IPA are in on it too. The Beeb must now be hoping that the BDO investigation brings something for them to claim that they told us first and the award winning documentary will not go down in history as a programme that got it all wrong.

How naive can you be! Just because Duff and Phelps have a teflon coat doesn't make the tv doc a work of fantasy. Mr Whyte's motley crew know how to make a trail go cold. I suppose they knew nothing of Whyte's special relationship with Green? The future of RFC is in jepoardy if fans continue with the siege

23 May 2013 17:41:29
Has everyone forgotten there are still no signs of audited accounts. what's the delay??

No Europe until 3 x sets of audited accounts

1 season over yet still nowhere near showing of accounts. Worrying I fear. JohnnyG

23 May 2013 19:47:34
Something must be seriously bad with the books that businessmen are giving up the chance to compete in Europe where they could gain £10,000,000+ by getting into the group stages instead of getting them signed off.

Are they even trying to get them audited?

Question guys - say we go up the divisions as planned and then win the SPL in our 1st season back, would the SFA then send Celtic as Scotland's Champions League representatives if we don't have 3 years audited accounts.

@1/ remember the deadline for submitting accounts to the SFA, april1st, has passed. so that's three years from then. a year lost already

@1. Not possible. 3 years audited accounts are also required to play in the SPL/top division. This has been posted numerous times here before.

@3) I wasn't aware of that, that's astonishing if true. Why is it not big news? I mean Rangers are bargaining on being in the SPL in 3 years time. Infact Rangers are bargaining on having just finished there first season back in the SPL 3 years from today so how is that going to work? if according to plan 2 years from today Rangers hypothetically have just won the first division and gained promotion to the SPL, will be just be denied? What a mess there would be on Rangers and the SFA's hands dealing with (turning a blind eye too) that scenario.

Ed could you confirm this? And if you don't mind, give your opinion on what will transpire in said situation. Cheers {Ed001's Note - their accounting date will be taken into account, I would assume. As it is not possible for them to have 3 years accounts, if they have gone straight up, as the company would be only 3 years old and the accounts are never done immediately. I would expect them to be given a grace period to produce them or be penalised. Though there is no saying the SPL will still be there in its current form, so the rules may be altered by then, to go along the FFP lines, with the need to just hand over accounting data each season, rather than a set number of year's accounts being needed.}

@4. Uefa rules state that a club must have 3 years audited accounts before they can compete in a competition that offers the potential of european qualification. These are Uefa rules not SPL rules so the SFA will not be able to bend them. Clubs have previously been denied a place in the top division because of inadequate stadium facilities so there is a precedent of sorts.

Go on the website to the investor section and you will see our financial year ends on 30th june. that's when the year end accounts will be prepared.

@6 It doesn't matter what the club says, it is UEFA's rules for April 31st and also without 3 years audited accounts we won't be allowed in the SPL when we return to that level. All clubs have their own dates for releasing accounts BUT UEFA's cut off is April 31st. If we win the Scottish cup next season we won't be allowed into the Europa League.

@6 blah blah blah blah blah
I know you think your club makes the rules and the sfa bend over backwards to implement them. But these are the big boys rules not yours!

But, saying that I am sure when the time comes your pals in the sfa SFL or SPL will sign them off happily like they did before when you had no audited accounts to play in Europe!

23 May 2013 15:11:38
Baybear has done his bit by starting the ball rolling with the RST who seem to be reacting in the right manner. On this site Baybear and I put up the idea of a mass joining of the RST and buying shares with our season ticket money, then paying at the gate for the rest of the season to watch our team.
Point one is we do not starve our club!
Point two is we start to get an a massed number of shares that could prove to be very powerful!
The RST would then be in the control of the members, You and I, so if we do not like it we change it.
So for my bit, payday tomorrow and membership of the RST will be paid giving me a vote and therefore a say. My Season Ticket money will be turned into shares and my vote given to the RST to use as necessary in the interests of our club.
I hope many Bears will follow this route, a route that will give us a collective and representative voice, with the added advantage of some say in our club.
Baybear I hope I am not being presumptuous with this post. Eastbear.

Eastbear- No mate, you're not being presumptious. I have already stated to the RST that I will be joining up on payday too. I actually made the point that waiting till payday was the reality of things for the ordinary punter. I don't know about you boys but for me a tenner at this point in the month is the difference in me having petrol in the motor or not. This is part of the reason that I get so wound up about these moneymen taking the p155. I'm not a rich man but I like to think I'm an honest and loyal bloke. I put money into following my club when the reality is I probably shouldn't as it's an expense I can ill afford at times. Despite this, I am still prepared to invest in my club but I am not prepared to line the pockets of charlatans anymore.
Therefore Eastbear, I agree with your assessment and my plan is to do exactly the same as you. I hope others follow suit and we can take our club back.

Buying shares of what exactly what's been done with the money raised in the share issue and who owns the assets ibrox murraypark you know what they say about fools and thier money rst don't make me laugh
that mob are a joke all mouth
zero action
thommyj

Guys, if you buy shares the money DOES NOT go to Rangers. It goes to the seller of the share. Either buy seasons or match day tickets to ensure money goes to the club.

@1 Thanks Baybear you and me both when it comes to payday lol.
@2 Have you bothered to read the posts over the past weeks, let alone today?
You can not call them for anything unless you are part of the Democratic process!
You are the one sadly that is all mouth as you are the one that will be left behind as others react to our situation and move on, perhaps that is where you should be. side-lined and left moaning. However I would hope you could read the posts again and understand the posts and the motivation to rally and change things! People power works and you to could be part of this, just give it a wee chance! Eastbear

Although I would like to go along with Babybears idea I must agree with you Thommy. We have to be sure where we and to whom we are giving our money to. As far as the Duff and Phelps issue it means nothing it's what BDO come up that will count especially after the recent Whyte and Green relevations. I am all for doing anything that will take our club forward.
Bobby

Mate I read the posts and as long ad you pump money in they'll kindly except it and the real questions will remain unanswered they only wsy to the truth is to starve the guys running your club they treat the fans like gullible fools and as for being left at the side as you attempt your revalution (finally) I do that gladly if YOU read back the post you'll see two things one i've said for ages the only way forward is for the fans to take control and two i'm a tim
HH
thommyj

@6 Yes I understand you are a Tim, however you spend more time on here than most Bears. so I thought you might like to invest to keep your obsession going! Eastbear

23 May 2013 12:43:27
The firm which acted as administrators for the former Rangers Football Club has been cleared of any conflict of interest over its appointment.

Complaints about the role of Duff and Phelps were made to the Insolvency Practitioners Association (IPA).

These came after a tv film highlighted previous dealings between the firm and Rangers' then owner, Craig Whyte.

After a "thorough investigation" the IPA said it concluded Duff and Phelps "complied with the relevant guidance".

Independent, thorough investigation my ar53!

The tax case, the SPL kangaroo court, the football integrity commission, the green tinted accusations, the hatred and bigoted vitriol we have all suffered as Rangers supporters and now the propaganda surrounding the D & P integrity. Not found guilty on any count so far. As I have stated many times before on this forum, do not listen to the doom merchants on this forum. As I have stated the tide is turning and there is clear blue skies ahead. Keep believing we are on our way back, we should never have been at this point if it was not for the sports leaders blindness and lack of courage to stand up to those who wished harm on our great institution. And we're led blindly into decisions that have set the game in Scotland back generations. This is further vindication why we must stand by Ally and the club in the future. It is easy to cause further destruction through divisory approach like some non supporters and easily influenced individuals on this forum. It is harder to be a leader and not succumb to the propoganda. Stand tall the true supporters and support your team. let's set a new goal for next season and be come the 4 th best supported team in Britain and show others why Rangers will never die and will always be the true champions of Scotland.

Ozzie Al

@2 you really talk as if rangers were innocent in all this, remember all the people unlikely to see any of their money due by rangers, tax case not finished, spl, sfa well within their rights to not allow you to walk straight into spl starting at bottom only right decision that was available, other clubs not even considered for entry to league so, face up to the facts rangers were treated more than fairly

Ozzie Al you are the biggest proponent to the effectiveness of propoganda. Because of people like you and the watp/kick us when we're down brigade Rangers were able to go into administration and subsequent liquidation without any kind of fight. This is also the reason that the club continues to attract spivs and conmen who see the money making formula of Unquestioning loyal fans + populist rhetoric = easy money. After Murray, Whyte, Green, Ahmed, Stockbridge what will make you finally open your eyes and fight for the soul of your club?

Ozzie all, I take it you are going to make sure that all the creditors of the former club rangers will be paid in full, thus allowing rangers to continue as you say. If not i'm sure you can explain why a club with no accounts was given a place in the sfl, a club that you say is the same club that owes millions to many. i'm obviously a celtic fan but I don't think you even need to be a football fan to realise something is and has been fundamently wrong at your club. You call people doom merchants, a simple question is are they being realists.

You say you were vindicated in the big tax case, I thought you lost 30 percent of the cases. Have you been keeping an eye on the google story, ie what google are doing is within the law but moraly incorrect, is that how you want your club run. Spl kangaroo court, the same spl that bent over backwards to keep you alive. You then harp on that rangers are a great institution, you have to use past tense there, they WERE a great institution and in the future I believe will be again but only if the holding company that owns the assets of the club now trading as The Rangers Football Club get some directors who are honest men at the helm.

I've read many posts on this site from good honest rangers supporters and its them I feel sorry for. Its people like you who fuel the fire that causes Hatred and Bigoted Vitriol. Accept something your club was run into the ground by men who were meant to care but didnt, its now owned by men who are meant to care but dont. There is not a single celtic fan alive or dead who played any part in the fall of rangers, we didn't have to you did it to yourselves, now faced with the consequences you rant like a spoilt child whos dropped their sweets.

It wasnt me, I didn't do it it was timmy blh blah blah. Still running at a loss that you couldn't afford in the spl in div 3 with clowns shouting sign more spl players for div 2. Why don't you try and come back from this with some sort of pride, be better than you were or they were, bottom line be the bigger man, admit that mistakes were made and that you are doing your time, stop blaming others and enjoy the journey for one things for sure the next spl title that rangers win will be the sweetest title that could be. awaiting the challenge celtic and johnnybhoy

Of course this verdict was always going to happen, these independent commissions (ha) very rarely find against a fellow professional, dodgy lawyers & accountants are never struck off

24 May 2013 01:26:51
@5,. remember this much you say we did it, we didnt, The manager never did it, the players never did it, and the fans never did it? correct?, as far as i'm cocncerned that is Rangers, and I would also say that is celtic, what if it happened to your club? would you agree that YOU did it?
No you wouldn't would you? you would say, quite rightly that your club had been raped by faceless men who never declared what they were doing, starting with SDM, why do people continue to say you did it? we never knew got that?
Tommyblue

Oh dear, Oh dear, Oh dear I seem to have upset the doomsayers and protagonists of negative, derisory and destabilizing comment who frequent this forum more often than the true supporters of Rangers, to sprout there twisted logic of rangers being the cause of all evil in the world, nothing proven in law mind you?

Does not take much to draw you out crawling from your dark caves. One positive post on Rangers and your spitefulness and hatred of rangers impels you to lodge a barrage of guilty accusations at the club. I have a clear conscience and am innocent of any wrongdoing bar supporting the greatest ever football club in Scottish football. To say that Celtic supporters had nothing to do with our demise is a falsehood, what about the website which stirred up trouble based on misinformation? What of the fans who posed as fans of other clubs to coerce them into voting Rangers out of the SPL? What of the websites started by Celtic supporters encouraging others to do the same and vote Rangers out based on propaganda and hatred of our success?

If it was not for the concerted orchestrations of certain groups of supporters a sympathetic and now proven, misinformed media Rangers may not have had to enter administration and could have paid of these small businesses who suffered losses. So you see posters 3, 4 & 5 you are equally as guilty of causing these effects to those small businessmen and women, if not more so than the supporters of RFC. So do not preach your moralistic crap to me.

Rangers then, rangers now, Rangers forever.

Ozzie Al

Well said Ozzie Al.
A bit more positivity on here is exactly what the doctor ordered.
P. O. B.

@Ozzie Al/ You really are the most deluded poster I have ever seen. Nothing could have stopped Rangers from entering administration, there was no money to pay the outstanding bills. Forget the tax case, which is being appealed by the way, there were a pile of bills unpaid and no money to pay them. that's why admin was inevitable. Nice to see you found the thesaurus facility though.

Ozzie, or as I am sure all sane individuals call you on here, moron.
This type of WATP rhetoric and ignoring the facts, FACTS mind you, is causing as much damage to our club than anything. We can't accuse others of bigotry when we have such a shady past ourselves, non signings of Catholics for bulk of our history, the disgraceful songs and chants that still persists.
Clear for some time that our club has also been up to lots of shady business transactions, EBT for Souness anyone? And we were found guilty in the SPL case relating to hidden contracts and dodged a bullet re titles.
And this pathetic attitude that any posts showing alarm and raising questions must be posted by Celtic fans! And why resort to calling our rivals cave dwellers? Did you want to go further and spout bigoted names but were afraid? Bet that was it. Get your house in order and stay away from Ibrox. We need answers to our questions and a cleansing of the club, especially of people like you.
Thomas M.

@10. Simply not true. The company was solvent and meeting there financial obligations. It was the media circus and potential threat of big tax case that caused Whyte to panick and wind up company. You used two words in yor response, thesaurus and deluded. I suggested you look up deluded in the thesaurus and sit down and have a real hard think to yourself. Try not to overheat your brain cells any more than is necessary.

Ozzie Al

@11
Thomas- It's people like you that the club doesn't need mate.
Are you aware what certain individuals, organisations, and fan groups did to our club?
Are you totally oblivious to the crimes and the lengths that they went to in their attempts? You're answer must surely be no if you believe the rubbish you have just posted.
Nobody is saying that SDM or CW or others within the club did not contribute to our problems. However that argument is for another day. Remember we are led to believe that there are investigations going on at present which will hopefully give us the answers to our questions.
What is wrong with people standing up for our club, our traditions and our upbringing?
What would you say to people like Scott Symon or Jock Wallace if they were still with us? I'll bet your argument wouldn't stand for too much with these guys.
Yes we do need answers, but that does not mean that we have to forget our history, achievements, and what the club stood for.
There are still those that wish us nothing but harm and I for one will not stand idly by and let them destroy our club completely. Because take it from me mate that is exactly what they wish to do. There is nothing worse in my book than so called fans wishing simply to cast everything that was good about our club aside for the sake of a few rogue directors. Our club deserves better than that.
It appears that WS and AM have been working hard with the board to bring in some decent players for our journey back to where we belong. How about some positivity in the knowledge that the so called money grabbers are actually prepared to invest in the club, and are spending money instead of wallowing in the negativity being slung in our direction from others who most certainly do not have our best interests at heart.

P. O. B.

Seems its not me that's regard ed as a moron. And my reference to cave dwellers was aimed at people like you who only come onto this forum to attempt to cause division and distrust among the true supporters. It is people like you who are unwelcome at Ibrox. I also resent your cheap attempt to bring religion into the conversation, but not surprised as you are nothing more than a lowlife who could probably crawl under the belly of a snake while wearing a top hat.

Ozzie Al

23 May 2013 08:28:21
I said Kenny miller will be confirmed today. ? .

Would like to see

Vigurs
Danny Wilson
Murray Davidson
Tom hatelely

For us next season and going forward. Along with daily bell Clark and miller we would be a lot stronger than last season

Scott

How can Miller be confirmed if he's under contract with another club?

Scott, are you on the waccy baccy. you put the same post on yesterday at 08:39 & 11:08. just with more names or change of names added to vigurs, wilson, davidson & hately.
make up your mind and try one last time.
shammy

Which Bishop is doing Kenny Miller's confirmation

24 May 2013 01:28:52
@3 what exactly are you saying pal? is it cryptic? or just simple nonsense?