Rangers Banter Archive January 23 2016

23 Jan 2016 20:16:05
Im getting really fed up with all the talk of transfers and signings who are allegedly 'almost there' and coming in the next day or two then it all goes quiet.

I trust the management team but I think that Mr King is taking a huge gamble with the support if the wheel comes off and through injury or suspensions we miss out on automatic promotion. I appreciate that replacing a scouting system and getting the stadium up to a decent standard doesn't come cheap but what price another season in the Championship.

23 Jan 2016 23:34:44
And Wats your point ar9?

23 Jan 2016 17:13:17
loans are ok now and again, but they rarely work hugely well. u also want value for money. BUT its time to stop penny pinching and mr king etc put his money where his mouth is. bearing in mind we were outbidded by a leeds who are in a terrible state at the moment for a player. pay the extra few hundred thou for o halloran and stop all this petty wrangling for players we ultimately lose out on.

23 Jan 2016 18:30:00
Any English championship team could outbid any Scottish team including celtic so deal with it. Sign of the times I'm afraid. So you would of been happy to spend over a million pounds on a player who was out of contract in summer because I wouldn't of been. As for ohalleron I don't think he's worth 500.000. We got waghorn and tavernier for that.

23 Jan 2016 23:20:26
I would be happy to see a young Loanee coming in from any of the top EPL Teams but with a preference for Arsenal youngsters. Wenger has as similar style of play to Warburton so it fits well for loanees to come in from Arsenal and if we could secure one of the fringe players from the first team squad then that would be perfect.

23 Jan 2016 15:51:52
I think Adnan Januzaj would make a great loan signing and I believe he's just returned to Man Utd after failing to get enough games during last loan spell. Thoughts?

23 Jan 2016 16:55:37
I think you are mento if you think that would happen!

23 Jan 2016 17:11:03
No chance that happening. You really need to visit planet earth once in a while before making statements like that.

23 Jan 2016 18:50:10
I would imagine any loan players we get will be young players in the mould of the loans we've got just now, although I may be wrong guys.

23 Jan 2016 12:17:29
It boggles my mind how people question the current regime so much especially in light of our current transfer policy. They quickly forget they rescued the club from a situation which would have been much dire. Could you imagine if King and co didn't come in and take control? where would we be now? Third in the championship most likely. We have been milked dry for years and finally there has been a bit of positivity I don't understand why people are complaining.

Dave King has a history of investing in our club, in 2000 people may forget he invested 20 million and took a seat on the board. 20 million pounds of his own wealth into this club. If you look historically over the past few years king and his partners have been trying to take control of the club with no success and due to the current fraud trials it might become clear why in the future. The 5 million pound loan has been repaid. (by loans to be converted to shares which can't be purchased till we are on a stock market)

Rangers are running currently at an operating loss. Meaning the shortfall must be provided from somewhere. Taking into account the clubs background staff is growing I find it hard to believe there isn't any money. I just look at the production value of the Youtube channel and the activity on social media just highlighting other areas outside of football we are expanding. Not to mention the refurbishment of Ibrox which repairs have been ongoing. There are many signs to suggest that we are on the right tracks, investment in the youth system and employing a talented and experienced management team has let us raise our standards from last season.

Ask yourself do we need to sign players to win the league and I stress need. I don't think so. Last January we brought in five loan players of which four were consistently injured. Now we are bidding sensibly for our position and fans want us to pay over the top for players. Why put ourself in the market as over spenders when we can't afford it. Our management team have done well in the transfer market so far so I trust there judgement as I feel more should.

The money and intentions are there. We are not in a position to spend right now and as the manager has said if he wants a player he will get the player. So far we have only missed out on Scott Allen (Went to Celtic to warm a set on the bench) and the DM who went to Leeds (a championship side with more financial muscle than us) . Mo'h may still be signed time will tell. In the board and management I trust.

23 Jan 2016 13:18:21
Which club does Mo'h currently play for?

23 Jan 2016 13:20:14
Great post bro, totally agree, some folks on here have got very short memories or ar just plain dafties.

23 Jan 2016 13:39:24
The only member of the current Board that I suspect raises questions with some of the support is King and with good reason.

He is the one member of the Board that mouthed off about how much money he would invest to get us back where we belong, he was the one member of the Board saying that if he had to invest some of the reputed £30m that he would put into the club, to bring in quality players up front, that he would do it, and he is the one person that we see little mention of when new loans are made.

We have been crying out for a defensive midfield player since the beginning of Warburton's time at Rangers and we still are.

You will forgive me if I remain cynical of King who just appears to be another David Murray who at the outset of his tenure as custodian promised that he would invest his own money in the Club only to use the Club to top up his own businesses.

The only difference is that King is a rangers supporter and that perhaps is what gives the ordinary supporter hope, but so far we are seeing little of the promised investment!

23 Jan 2016 14:37:52
We are questioning the board cause there doing to much talking that there going to do this and that. so intil they show us we will question them.

23 Jan 2016 15:27:53
After everything the club has gone through it still appears tht some fans believe that we have this Devine right to expect someone with the means to come in and just pay for our football. I accept that they have made statements stating that they would invest whatever it took or £30m to get us Promotion this year. This far they have been successful but they can only truly be judged at the end of August 2016.

In addition why would any one invest £30m in a Scottish Football Club when there is no market conditions to expect revenue to sustain the club in the longer term. This is especially important given the risk which still surrounds the club in terms of court cases which ultimately could result in the long term ownership and shareholding being undone. This would be the definition of stupidity and I support Kings cautious but supportive approach to the club at this stage

Surely it is beyond doubt that the club is in a much better place with less than 1 year of the new boards tenure.

23 Jan 2016 15:37:27
I'm with you RossW on this one mate. Some fans can't see the wood for the trees. Everything from the top to bottom is better at our club than last year.
People are still dreaming of some Billionaire coming in and buying every player with a heartbeat for over the odds like we used to. The new way under MW and the King regime excites me more. Young hungry, technically gifted players with the same philosophy from the under 10's through to the first team. If they want to move on we set the price or they go nowhere.
The summer is when we'll see a better quality of player coming in to get us ready for an assault on the SPFL. If everyone just has patience and backs the team till then it will be onwards and upwards. This is the best football we've played since the Advocaat era and we know how much that squad cost to assemble, we're still paying for it now. And yet people are still moaning.

23 Jan 2016 15:49:20
Again we ain't looking for the board to spend millions or even 10s of millions. we just want them to put there hands in there pocket like they said they would.

23 Jan 2016 15:50:50
We are ment to be a bigger culb than hibs and look at the signing they have just done.

23 Jan 2016 16:26:15
What money did hibs spend hallet they have a free transfer and a loan signing.

23 Jan 2016 16:37:29
Perhaps it would have been better if King had just kept his mouth shut. He has made statements regarding investment that in turn has risen the expectations of the support.

Unfortunately this in turn will raise questions if Warburton is unable to follow through with quality purchases in the areas where we need additional quality on the park.

Right now he is being seen as being full of hot air like many before him while it is folks like the Park family and the two guys in the Far East that are putting their hands in their pockets.

23 Jan 2016 18:56:27
Hooly78 a loan signing is still better than none and a good signing in my books.

23 Jan 2016 19:03:00
The time King and co should be judged properly is next year when hopefully all the court cases the club is involved in are over then and only then should they be judged not now when the clubs fighting a battle with Ashley and the White and green case is over.

23 Jan 2016 21:21:32
Ross, Mols and reckon, very sensible words, some have very short memories, things are finally looking good but the glass half empty squad still need something to greet about.

23 Jan 2016 11:20:50
Is it just me or is there anyone else who thinks there won't be a signing b4 monday night?

23 Jan 2016 12:11:56
Still nine days to go before window closes but doubt if a signing will even be made by then.

23 Jan 2016 12:18:31
I don't care if we don't sign anyone in this window January window is known for over priced panic buying let's just do business in the summer we already have they young guys on pre contracts the boy from Brentford didn't look good plus young crooks and murdoch both play that position but with youth on there side. O'halleran can come but I for one won't be fussed if he doesn't we will be a much more attractive option in the summer as a top tier side, although I don't think there is anything between the two leagues signings will feel playing in the highest league in the country is better plus the chance of European football always was a main selling point before. Do we want to sign players now only to find them surplus to requirements in 6 months but on contracts for a few years and we can't get rid of them we all know how that worked for us in the past let's look to the future with the lessons of the past learned not repeated.

23 Jan 2016 14:34:14
Pulsar mw said he would have someone in b4 mondays game. I could be wrong tho but if not that's 2 days.

23 Jan 2016 21:25:34
I agree with gary 75 here, we don't "need" a signing to win this league, we will win it with some to spare.

24 Jan 2016 16:07:15
Hi Bears. Am I the only one that thinks these two "targets" have been a smokescreen from the off? I can't help thinking that they've been a necessary distraction so the gaffer can pursue who he's REALLY after in the background. I may be WAY off base here, but I think Mark's one smart cookie and shouldn't underestimated in any fashion. As for Mr. King - let's say he forks out a million or two at this stage and we fall short. again! We would be slavering at the mouth screaming that he should have saved the money for an assault in the Premier. the man can't win!

23 Jan 2016 11:04:44
Was the Scott Allen scenario a failure?

Celtic don't rate him enough to play him -they bought him to stop us doing so.
He obviously lacks ambition as he seems content to warm the bench.

Why is there such a stampede to buy players at any cost? I don t really want to make other Scottish clubs rich unless talent is exceptional. I haven't seen any exceptional talent that will move us up the SPL so better to hold the cash until someone comes along, probably in Engkland.

23 Jan 2016 11:22:32
Deeb
. think you might find that Allan does actually play a fair bit but if you are winning consistantly with the team on the park why change to accomodate . we did not get Allan as we were not prepared to pay the price and continued to pursue even after hibs said they would not sell to their rivals . get over it. we a have mussed out on a few because we won't pay. " held to ransom" well wait and see what price we rate any of our players IF any other club wants them. we need to clear a few out to raise funds but to my knowledge nobody is asking for any of our superstars that play in Scotlands 2nd tier. and i don't go along with next year when in the prem we will spend big and players will be deaperate to sign for us. european carrot is a few years away for us i fear.

23 Jan 2016 11:30:42
If Allen gets his chance he will do very well for them.

23 Jan 2016 12:16:05
Bottom line he would have done us a turn and been a good signing however he is not here and we have enough to talk about with our team than to talk about someone we missed out on.

23 Jan 2016 12:37:04
How many times! We offered more money than Celtic actually paid!

23 Jan 2016 13:20:48
He is on £7k a week basic, he might as well set himself up. Good luck to the guy.

23 Jan 2016 14:25:43
We were never going to get Allan from Hibs however there is no reason why we cannot get O'Halloran and we should be pulling out all the stops to bring in a defensive midfield player.

If we suffer injuries during the run in our squad is very light and frighteningly short of quality.

23 Jan 2016 09:51:05
Morning bears, as far as I'm concerned, warburton didn't want the big guy from Brentford that much, or we would've got him! He's always stated also, if his evaluation on a player, doesn't match what the club want for the player, it's a NO go, everybody relax, the guys 29 this year, he's also said, time and time again, he wants players for sell on value, he went in with the last and final bid of £500'000, Brentford wanted more, we left it at that, Leeds came in with £700'000 plus add ons, he went, it's as simple as that, the deal suited Rangers and the player but not the club, Leeds deal suited all party's, done n dusted! The O'halloran deal as well, st Johnston playing silly buggers, which their right to do so, but rangers aren't budging, not to fussed about him really, decent player, very fast, and would be a great addition to the squad, but business is business, just hoping he's got a couple of players under wraps, the slimy press don't know about, but I think our starting 11, and full squad have enough to go on and win the league, regardless of who's bringing in who, Stubbs is trying to buy the league, nothing wrong with that, but he comes away with all this guff, about Rangers with so much money, the biggest squad, oh it's just not fair dung, every interview, while him and celtic will, and are trying there best to derail us, sorry bhoys, uz need more than that to put the O'mighty Rangers off there game!

23 Jan 2016 10:32:05
Colin well said mate and it is clear to see that Celtic are on a mission to help hibs as much as they can, they really hate us them both do and I can't wait to rub it right intae them and celtic will be cringing knowing they have to play us at least 4 times next season.

A hope Falkirk go up wi us!

23 Jan 2016 10:47:54
COLIN and WAGGY

Both have it absolutely spot on.

23 Jan 2016 10:50:21
4 times possibly more with the cups. potential to play every team 7 times with cup replays. what a bore. bigger league needed. home and away in league that it.16 teams.30 games a season. in both cups. all lowland and highland league teams involved all pro teams involved from round 1 with no seedings. only way our teams gona survive. imagine. brora rangers getting rangers in 1 cup an celtic in the other. that would generate enough money to see them through season no problem then everything else gravy. maybe let our smaller teams grow an 1 day just 1 day we might have exciting spfl across all leagues.

23 Jan 2016 11:40:59
Again colin mcdonald and waggy, very well written posts and I'm in total agreement with both of you!

23 Jan 2016 02:48:26
Love the gers we all mi heart but our club is shambles losin top target to leeds united now wots next o'halloran to go some were every time we want player money seems 2 be problem yet again so much for dave king aka dave the wave makin sure we got our targets totally scrappin the barrel.

23 Jan 2016 03:31:42
Not good to lose out on our top target to a team like Leeds. Kind of puts question marks on King and his £millions to invest in Rangers. So far it looks like he is the guy with the big mouth while the other Directors are the ones providing the cash.

He needs to bring in a quality defensive midfield player in January that is better than the guy that we have just missed out on and O'Halloran or perhaps someone that is similarly better.

No doubt the King camp will stand up for him but so far he is all talk for me!

23 Jan 2016 05:47:25
Never ever trusted king all talk the signings so far some have been good ie waghorn haliday but little or no money has been spent if we're in such a state why doesn't king and co leave and let someone else come in with a bit of guts to spend some money that's badly needed.

23 Jan 2016 08:48:16
What a load of nonsense. The guy apparently went to leeds for 1.5million we where never going to pay that sort of money and rightly so. Some fans don't seemed to have learned anything from the last 4 years. We should not be spending more than we bring in at the minute while in the championship. We're never going to be able to compete with English championship teams financially.

23 Jan 2016 09:24:49
Tom42.1.5 mill for tounami. he ain't worth that,700k tops. ohalloran 500k tops. we aren't being thrifty with money. we are being sensible. i want to see new signings as much as the next bear, i would like to see ohalloran or mabye vaulks as another poster mentioned.

23 Jan 2016 09:33:35
Hooly78

While I totally agree with what your saying the other posters do have a point about King. It was him who came out with the statements about over investing in the team. No one pressured him into saying that and all the fans want him to be is true to his word. He has previous for lying and it's looking like he is lying again. After what the fans have been through I think they have every right to be sceptical about him.

23 Jan 2016 09:42:27
Hooly well said, way too much negative chat on here just because we lose a player to Leeds! Cmoan with moan noo lads we can't be shipping oot 1.5 million, and I can tell u now he's not worth that, not for us anyway, he might slot into the set up for Leeds at that price due to having so much experience in that league.

I agree we need a DF mid to help AH, but if we don't get it we have the cover with Dom Ball, so all is not lost, I keep saying it the key is not to let the likes of deano and Law go and if we get OH the spending might stop there till summer.

23 Jan 2016 09:58:19
Hooly78.then why put in weak derisory bids if manager rates him then ask what the club wants for a player and if it can be done then you negotiate to an amicable fee. not offer a third and then claim will not be held to ransom. it is getting beyond embarrassment.

23 Jan 2016 09:15:00
The anti-king people are ignoring the fact that the man came in and steadied the boat, encourages investment from real Rangers fans and also helped get our management team!
Not buying a 28 year old lad who can jog around in the Dm position doesn't make us a joke! MW said himself that he has targets but a good team so won't panic buy. Some people on here need to get a thicker skin and realise that we can't go around wrapping up million pound deals anymore.
I would rather see contracts extended and Ibrox worked on.

23 Jan 2016 10:54:43
If you don't like what King is doing the answer is simple.
Use your vast range of business contacts and know how and buy his shares.

I would rather trust a SUCCESSFUL business man and potentially very successful football manager to run our club. Why do some people on here expect it perfect in 7 months? We are top of the league, have assembled a good squad and I am as sure as those who are slagging of our club management, that we will not spend unnecessarily to win a lower league when money will be needed to do well in top league.
We know how bad things were on the field last year, we do not know how bad they were off the field, god know how much money is needed for other things.

23 Jan 2016 12:03:44
Mkb1872 ., who's in such a state?
We are five points clear in the league!
As for signings name me a bad signing that MW has made?
As for Dave King he and the fellow directors had one helluva job to do when they came in all at a cost, let's just be patient we ARE on our way back to were we belong but things take time . WATP.