Rangers Banter Archive August 23 2013

 

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23 Aug 2013 23:28:45
Therealranger can u please tell me why mather is a fake because I am not up to speed on all that goes on because to be frank I don't have the time to research all this. The other day I posted about how I didn't think we would go into admin 2, I said about matchday sales we still had for this season 18 games 2 go about 5 mill still 2 come into club, the 3 deals we have with new sponsors on top of the 10 mill we have in bank according 2 stockbridge, we don't have any debts outstanding from old company & the guy k. prior has met mather & stockbridge & seen the business plan & said he was happy we wouldn't go into admin 2. Now the fact that no 1 replied 2 my post, not even 1 of the lawyers from the eastend, I was thinking that no 1 liked what I posted because it didn't suit there own agenda or maybe you's did reply but ed001 never posted what you's had 2 say, because I know sometimes he doesn't post some of my rants (sometimes I am hard work edoo1 I know) but anyway mather said that j. mcoll was misquoted in the papers today & he could work with him, if he wasn't misquoted I am sure we will find out soon enough, so as I asked why is mather a fake because as far as I can see he has backed superally with the players he has brought in & he has also brought in other commercial deals outwith the ones I mentioned above, so I think superally is showing mather a bit of solidarity back. Anyway I thought lee wallace was outstanding tonight a Rangers captain in the making cheers
Andhol bears

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Dont you get it? Until AUDITED ACCOUNTS are available a cloud of doubt will hang over everyone at Rangers. Do you know how much the new sponsorship deals are worth? No. Has it been proved there actually is £10m in the bank. No. Your attitude of questioning nothing is what caused this mess in the first place. As for Ally and his solidarity. Would that be the same as he showed to Murray and Whyte and Green?

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Couple points in your scenario, that appear to be slightly wrong.
The 10 mill in bank is all that's left of everything. that's season ticket money etc etc.
Mathers didn't sack Green as stated he would. why not. ?he is Greens man. Mather is allowing our manager and others to spend money we can not at present time afford.
Mather came with Green so should go same way. out the club and with as little as possible.
Mather also backed ALLY in his bid to hide his huge wage plus bonus.
Prior agreed that buisness plan was good but didn't see how much money there was in bank to follow it through, anyone can make a great buisness plan look viable but you then need to back it up with the investment to carry it out.
Unfortunatly the 10mill won't last long enough to get the plan working.
Thats if there is £10m there in first place,, because Mather etc don't think we need to see accounts.
or title deeds etc, what an honest chap he is.

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Theres no actual eviddence mather done anything wrong but he seem to be the devil and mccoll the messiah personally ill wait 4 the accounts

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24 Aug 2013 13:54:53
No. 2 you seem 2 miss a couple of points also we still have 5 to 6 mill coming in let me make this clear for all (we have 18 guaranteed games left at IBROX) so I have took as a conservative figure we make 300k on each matchday because just in case you can't work it out we have sold 34,000 season tickets, so the last game at IBROX there was 44,000 at game so that's 10,000 tickets sales, matchday hospitality, we now own albion car park, so you also seem 2 believe that k. prior never seen that 10 mill was in the bank, well me thinks you are wrong, why because as a major shareholder he was privy 2 business plan but do you think as a major shareholder he would say mr stockbridge where is the 10 mill, mr stockbridge don't know mr prior, that's ok don't worry about it because I don't give s*** about that money I have just invested in this club, then again he might have got a nice lunch for free, now as I said the other day mr prior said people who want the club for as cheap as possible will say what they need 2 drive the share price down, I have also read mather is in with green well green brought him 2 the table so their will be links I have no doubts, but the feeling is that the big bonuses are what we are going 2 beat them over the head with, newsflash they have said they are going 2 review this, now when walter smith left he stuck up for mather didn't need 2 but he did, so again I am going 2 ask apart from the bonuses which they are going 2 review, what is it that mather is doing because no 1 is giving me concrete evidence 2 say he is the next lucifer in the making 2 back up their claims, I have my own opinions as you can see, so unless any1 can convince me otherwise I will continue 2 believe want I want, but I bet not all but most on this site just let it slip their mind that apart from the 10 mill we still had other revenue 2 come in, why did they do this because they don't like 2 think they are wrong well **** me a might be wrong so some1 convince me & al admit it won't be the first or last am wrong but I like 2 think I think logically give me facts not ma auntie's granny told me, until then I will listen 2 each faction & make up my own mind cheers big ears
Andhol bears

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23 Aug 2013 22:22:57
The first thing I must state is a great result tonight and the team played very well, the only bit I didn't agree with was at the end ally gets all involved with the latest boardroom crisis and he looks like he has firmly pinned his hopes on Mather? I really find this very strange as the main topics of the EGM/AGM will be to try and remove Mather and his cronies who will turn to then?

As I have stated for the record previously ally is a genuine guy and a real gentleman, as a player there is no doubt he was a rangers legend, as a manager the jury is still out, but as a political pawn he is lacking real credibility and the way he has jumped into bed with Mather really has me puzzled?

This guy will be history and the truth will come out about what has really been happening at our club, will ally plead the fifth and use the didn't know tactic?

Ally really needs to take several steps back from this lot or he will be tarred with the same brush as the rest of the board

Leaving aside his obvious problems with management and lack of some skills I truly believe he is entitled to this season to overturn the groundswell of opinion against him.

I just hope he gets himself as far away from the "great stadium robbery" before he gets nicked like the rest of them.

Mather, Stockbridge and the rest of the gang know there time is up and they will try every trick in the book to stay in power and delay presenting the books and all the other relevant details the fans, shareholders and investors demand!

Mistrust, misinformation and general skulduggery will ensue from the rangers politburo to try and cover there tracks as time is running out and the fans are onto them!

Keep up the pressure

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Why did Ally jump into bed with Green and agree they would hide their real earnings? Does the fact he is now in the Mather camp mean he has something he does not want made public?

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23 Aug 2013 23:52:06
Nameless poster. Seriously the jury is out on Ally as a manager. Have you not been on this planet the last couple of years. Listen its great that rangers are posting a few good wins playing decent football but please remember this, you are playing posties and plumbers. Your squad is the second most expensive in Scottish footbal. Which by the way you can't afford. I am sure the tea Lady in ibrox could don the tie and blazer and direct your squad to a win. Ally Mccoist is at best a terrible manager. If you take his salary into account the the guy is an embarrassment. Please when Will rangers fans realize the Mr Mccoist has taken you all for a ride along with the rest of the spivs.

Benedict

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If McCoist isn't involved in it he is the most gullible person on the planet, Walter Smith has left twice! He jumped into bed with all of them Whyte, Green, Mather, he then publicly slated Green but when asked what's going on he says "I don't get involved in boardroom matters only football matters" he lost all credibility a long time ago.

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I met "George" at ibrox on Friday! What he had 2 say was f*****g chilling! I love rangers like nothing else! I am very fearful of what's going to happen unless we act as one! We played very well 2night. I was in the north stand. We looked very good! I would be confident playing any top flight team with all players available. Even celtic but only at ibrox! We need to get behind "George"! Tuesday night 7pm at the main door. Listen to what the man has to say! Don't let someone go and hear it for you! Turn up and be counted! No excuses! Get their on time! Come on bears! RTID!
Bladesy

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24 Aug 2013 11:52:27
Bladsey. You might be confident of playing Celtic but you would still lose. Don't go getting carried away. Remember its not Barcelona your team just beat.

Benedict

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Is it not 5 on tuesday?

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@ andhols bears the word antichrist might not have been the correct word and if it has offended anybody I apologise, however this does not detract from what mr Mathers role is in this whole scam and most certainly from February onwards, I can categorically state Mather and Stockbridge are knee deep in this current scandal and I can tell you for a fact both have colluded to keep vital information secret, both belong to green and Ahmed and both are merely keeping an eye on the assets and cash flow for Chico and co.
What we have is a very clever PR stunt to try and justify his position because once he and Stockbridge go the rest will fall on there swords, so the shiny hair and the fancy words in interviews most certainly does not fool me.

The FANS must ensure and demand
That the current board is removed!

Only then can the club move on after all they HAVE blown £22M of the clubs money and Mather has overseen the majority of the events with the very close help of Stockbridge, now if you can say he's a good guy and is doing a great job explain the above in a logical manner

RR

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23 Aug 2013 22:06:14
I'm all 4 ally but if the new keeper keeps posting clean sheets then why play Cammy Bell? He's already quoted as saying that he's going straight into the team. Bol£&cks. Give the lad a chance.

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23 Aug 2013 21:52:07
After tonight's performance how many of the new signings will get straight into the team? Do u change a team that's just scored 6 without reply? Super swallae

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The only one of the new signings i'd play at the moment is Mohsni, as the defense still looked shaky at times. Wouldn't be fair to drop any of the rest of the team at the moment as they have been playing well. Scott Gallacher should be allowed to continue in goals with Cammy Bell having to fight it out with him and not just going straight in as the no. 1

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I know what your saying mate but I do think Bell, Moshni & Foster will go straight in the team. Which is a real shame for Gallacher & Mcausland. I thought Wallace would move into left mid but McLeod seems to be doing really well there & I just wouldn't move Wallace from his natural position now means Templeton will probably replacece Crawford on the wing. So Smith will be a backup player, Peralta will Rotate with Black I reckon with the uncertainty surrounding him. Young Clark, Aird, McKay, Crawford Gasparotto & Mitchell could find it very hard to get a game with McCoist mostly going for experienced players especially in the cups. Real shame actually.

Larky Bear

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Bell mohsni forster in peralta n clark can wait

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23 Aug 2013 22:08:36
Yes okay it was only Airdrie and yes we are in the second bottom division but I still enjoyed the football. Can't say I said that very often at all last year but tonight some of the football was classy. Almost every player looked the part. Daly is very tidy and a clever player Law, Wallace and McLeod looked great. Templeton scored a seventh which should have stood all in all a great display and that's really all we should be talking about. It's been a long time coming but well done Gers

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23 Aug 2013 21:27:33
can anybody tell me what Mather said before the game tonight

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Thebear82 not sure what was said at the start but the propaganda has started from Mather and the rangers politburo. I did hear ally try and justify Mathers position which really saddened me as Mather is nothing short of a fake, and his time is coming, for the record this rhetoric is coming straight from traynor who is masterminding all the misinformation and propaganda to try and drum up support for his superiors they truly have no class and when the time comes and they get exposed ( and they will believe me) I for one will be delighted.

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He stated he had spoke to Mccoll toady and had a positive discussion and not as quoted in the media, there's over 10 million in the bank and when he started the job his role was to put a better team on the park which he has done and cut wages which he says he has done by 1 million.
He says he's committed to the job and the fans are the best bar none.
There you go. PB

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I like mather and I think he has good intentions he gets nothing but critcized but he has done a good job despite the trouble he can't be blamed 4 fighting mccolls proposal wouldn't you if you invested and there trying to remove you he has more right than anyone to be a director

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23 Aug 2013 20:14:51
OK George, here's the deal.
If you are just an ordinary bear trying to make a difference then there's a few of things you might want to note.
A) This is a huge undertaking so you're going to have to get a thicker skin. Cannae go tonto when folk question your validity. As a fanbase we're all too aware that we're not popular, are continually lied to and are ripe for a wind up.
B) Maybe think about adjusting how you talk to people on here. All that 'I WRITE IN CAPITALS TO GET MY POINT ACROSS' just makes you come across a bit mental and doesn't do anything to make folk comfortable with meeting you.
C) If someone disagrees don't immediately resort to referring to them as WAN*ERS and C*NTS. Again, it's not a great tactic to make friends and influence people.
D) Make your intentions clearer- If you say you're going to be somewhere or do something then follow through. Don't be late, don't send somebody else and if you're worried about getting a doing or something then let the police know where you intend to be and what it is that worries you.
E) Calm down and concentrate on what you're saying and how it comes across. You seem to be aggrieved at the mention of 'no flyers' but I'll tell you why I and others have questioned this. On reading back your posts I see that you said "FLYERS NOT NEEDED IT IS VIRAL ON SCRIBD". I think you might find that amongst your numerous ANGRY SHOUTY POSTS your intentions may have been lost on some. As far as I remember your very early posts mentioned the flyers as having specific names, facts. However, the info on Scribd has no names and tells us nothing more than we know already. You had specifically said that you could not post this type of info on here and this was the reason you had to produce flyers. Naturally, people may have assumed that the info on Scribd was a mere taster and that when they met you the flyer would reveal more. This is what I thought which is why I have no need to 'print off a flyer' If what you wrote on Scribd is your flyer then you're right, printing hundreds of them would be a complete waste of money.

Just a bit of friendly advice that you can either digest or dismiss, it's up to you.
There are too many chancers in this world and if you are the real deal I appreciate you will be very nervous. Again, I applaud the stance of the honest, brave man. I will however choose to go with my gut until Tuesday when hopefully I feel ashamed of myself for doubting a fellow bear. Until then, stay vigilant bears. Just because you read it on the internet it doesn't make it true.

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Any 1 fill me in who the f. k is this George character am lost

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OP was mine, must have logged out as I took too long to type it.

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OP, I must say that is the most common sense thread I have read all day! It's a pity you didn't leave a name or register this would have confirmed your points and validated your opinion. Otherwise I fully agree with what you see, I was at the stadium today and from what I have read today "the people" are disappointed in the outcome. I think ŵe need a radical rethink on our points and mission which I think most true rangers fans want and that is remove this gang of "great stadium robbers" before they cause any further damage and spend any more cash! So to you sir I say nice post and well thought out and to George chillax I feel your pain my friend but try and remain focused on the issues at hand and get your points across in a civil way, the OP is correct about the slight ranting and also what is on SCRIBD I feel we the fans need more definitive info what you have said I don't disbelieve for a second and most fans will agree up to a point but let's refocus our targets and get organised.

The real ranger

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Well done baybear! I did say you had some good post and points of view. You covered everything to a tee.

Well done big man

Just though it was too good to be true with anon poster!

Case closed.

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I say therealranger should lead an attack against these vile people who continue to rob our great club! It is indeed a great stadium robbery as you so often put it, and I firmly believe that it takes not only be man, but many to make a loud noise. George is doing a noble and decent job, but he's not speaking loud enough. Get onto follow follow, rangs media, the forums, the podcasts, get the word out to the media, the papers, the phone ins, get our voices heard on the news and in the papers. let's start mobilising and moving fast, action is required NOW, not wait until a board meeting that's already been effed up and moved and sidetracked. let's make a stance now, get the voices heard and let us, the people really get our club back! We don't need to spend another dime in that place and in the pockets of those men and companies who want nothing but to do us wrong and to kill our club. If we don't make a stance, that's exactly what will happen!, another admin in sight, and another winter of drama for us fans! I'm a loyal st holder and I would gladly give up my time to watch the games to go and protest against these people. It's our club so let's get it back!

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@3 so after we protest on Tuesday everybody there is going to straight into the game which undermines the protest but again I will be ther on Tuesday but won't be entering the ground

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Baybear, I still think the bones of some of george's posts need investigated, but by whom is the question. Was it a ploy by one or several to point us in a certain direction or is it someone with genuine info that has had cold feet. We may never know, but what is certain is murray and the board at the time of sale to whyte have a hell of a lot of questions to answer.
Beyond this, the viability of the trading position must be clarified for day to day business and the accounts will take care of themselves.
The basic arithmetic did not stack up from 2007/2008, when we were the only arm of murray's portfolio making cash and, in my opinion, this should be the basis of any investigation into our demise.
billyb.

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Thank you Therealranger

Quite prepared to accept there is a chance George is genuine but I'll reserve judgement for now. Haven't been going out of my way to be a C*NT or a W*NKER and I take exception to being referred to in this manner simply because I don't automatically swallow everything that's said on here as fact.

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Baybear and others I maybe insulted I just lost it after coming up like I said to back up ALL MY POSTS NOT SIT IN MY HOME ALL COMFY RESERVING MY JUDGEMENT? As Rangers slide into admin Baybear you do realise as Craig Whyte shafted us into an Admin then Liquidation there were THOUSANDS OF BEARS SITTING AT HOME RESERVING JUDGEMENT WHILE PEOPLE LIKE ME AND CRAIG WERE GOING MENTAL TRYING TO POST WARNINGS AND ORGANISE SIT IN PROTESTS

I posted lots times to do a mass sit in after a home game till Board told truth about deeds and accounts BLOCKED and Craig ran into a brick wall too.

Sorry my caps lock is SCHIZOPHRENIC ;-0 I USE SHOUTY CAPS TO SHOW HOW F****D OFF I AM NOT DIRECTED AT THE READER MORE THE FRUSTRATION OF ALL THIS

MIND I HAD BY LAST WEEK BEEN POSTING ALL THIS FOR NINE MONTHS AND CONSTANTLY BLOCKED BY EDs

I POSTED THAT CW WAS GOING TO PULL PLUG BEFORE IT HAPPENED BUT IT GOT BLOCKED so annoying.

I apologise BAYBEAR see it happens just typing your name, IT IS soul destroying to drive 400 miles 1 hour sleep and prepare in my head then 9 people turn up out of all bears in glasgow?

MY SWEARING WAS PURE EXHAUSTION AND RAGE AT YOUR "AYE TOLD YOU HE WAS A WIND UP ARTIST" OR WORDS TO THAT EFFECT

Which part of wind up is it my flyer post on SCRIBD and on here that I see from comments concisely summed up everyones thoughts clearly but also showing how the Long Firm Model fitted like a glove! Was it my turning up at Ibrox scared and wary so at first saying to the mass crowds that turned up I was 'george's' pal/representative until I made sure no agro was on the agenda (please google Dundee FC Marrs Brothers £20m Admin and the Italian player seriously assaulted in Dundee Car park at stadium FOR OPENING HIS MOUTH ABOUT GOINGS ON AT DUNDEE. and mind that is Dundee not Rangers we have connections in Glasgow Belfast and a lot of people could easily be upset at me racking the boat. fair comment?)

Also some anonymous poster saying I never showed up

Anyway I've had 3 hours sleep in 2 days and need to think seriously next stage

Likely meet up with Craig's pals and take his advice MASS PRINTING OF MY SCRIBT 'Flyer' post

To any bears offended sorry I just felt broken seeing 9 when in my heart I was hoping for hundreds or thousands

Maybe I will feel more confident on Tuesday I am who turned up I am george RFFR RTID

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Right George, fair enough. I jumped the gun and from what I read I thought you were a crank, my apologies mate. You have to remember though, this is a forum. The very nature of an online forum is that people sit at home all comfy giving their opinions. It's not really the place to assume everyone is saying or doing what they say they will. Listen mate, if you are 5h!ting yourself with the info you have then I understand you're reluctance to expose yourself to harm. I for one would not do it as quite frankly my family and my health are more important to me than being a truth vigilante. I also note that you said you had tried organising protests on forums before admin but it didn't work. Again, admirable but what made you think it would work this time? Change your strategy maybe? Listen, if what you have is evidence of criminal activities then you are duty bound to go to the police with it and report a crime. If you were scared yesterday with 9 people telling you who they were can you imagine how scary it'll be with thousands before a game? Once again, I sincerely apologise for any offence caused I just don't trust folk very easy, especially when it comes to Rangers and forums. You more than most should understand this. Good luck and stay safe.

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George are you really that naive to think 100s or 1000s of people would take time off work and flock to Ibrox to rally round someone from the internet that may or my not exist offering info that we already know. Murray, green, white ect are all bad yins, then suggesting we are all sheep for actually going IN to support our team. Did you manage to get a ticket last night (did you try?) if you did you would have had a great experience, great result great atmosphere, great football, that's what keeps me going back. i'm no c@nt or w@anker I really am Rangers till I die. JYF

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23 Aug 2013 19:42:11
If Craig Mather is a rogue then he is a blooming good actor. Just listened to him on BT Sport 1 claiming he has taken £1million off the playing wage bill. Stating Mr McColl has been misquoted and generally giving the impression that things ain't as black as we all suspect.
If he is misleading us then he has some bottle going on television as this take things on a whole different level from being economic with the truth with 200 fans in a largely un reported private meeting.
Time will tell but anyone uncertain about whether we have a future or not would have gained some solace from what he said. He also suggested that he and Mr McColl are in more dialogue than is being reported.

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Listen OP mr Mather is the antichrist and he is running scared because he knows when this meeting takes place he only trying a PR exercise and hoping the gullible fans who don't really care what happens to the club but only that the team wins, Mathers time is coming to an end and he knows it.

If Jim mcoll's statement today is true then there is no place for these torags and they will almost certainly be booted of the board! So yes Mather will use every Trick in the book to muster support with false promises and failed business plan to keep his job ( which was never advertised for and handed on a plate by you guessed it Chico)

You can expect plenty more propaganda and misinformation from the rangers politburo to try and keep there jobs and vast wages and bonuses and shares the list goes on and Mather knows when his time is up he will be out on his a**e and his shareholding will be worth even less than it is now!

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@op are you for real whyte and green have done it really stupid post

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If he [mather] has taken this and that of players wage bill
then where else has the money been going. consultants fees?

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OP here @2 I was merely stating what Mather said on television last night in front of tens of thousands of viewers- explain your critique please of "really stupid post" - Pot kettle black FFS

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Not that hard to tell the truth. and looks great actor to boot.
Not hard to state got £1m of wages out go Sandanza, Alexander, Bocanegra, Gioan with 2 them alone probably getting near the figure alone.
So what did he do to save us wages,, o yes paid them off. to close their contracts. How much did that cost Mr Mathers. didn't want to tell us that part did he? He is a stooge for the board, speaks all the same nonsense Green used to and we all feel for that. What should have been asked was how did he not "sack" Green? as promised and other such questions? ie Allys wages scam. this is just same old stuff week in week out. Roll on the day of meeting where the whole lot will crome tumbling down.

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23 Aug 2013 19:39:23
I was rather surprised and cringed when I heard Ally McCoist defending players who have an ' honest bet' on football matches, when it is a clear breach of the rules - even if they prepay the tax.

Are those who hold this or similar positions re betting (against their own teams - and supporters - in some cases) guilty of the same breach of rule and are desperately trying to cover their backs?

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A valuable insight as to what passes for honesty in Super Allys eyes.

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23 Aug 2013 19:37:46
Hi guys, Toon fan in peace here. I've been hearing a lot of rumours that Mike Ashley's desperate to sell Newcastle and he'll use the money to buy Rangers. One part of me says "YES FINALLY, let's GET IN SOMEONE WHO'S RICH AND WILL CARE ABOUT US!" But another part says "Poor rangers fans, do they really deserve someone like Ashley after what they've been through?" I hope he sells NUFC, but I don't want him to buy Rangers for your sakes. We've become a joke of a club with Ashley and Kinnear in charge.

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JToon if he is planning to buy Rangers it is not clear to me how he could accomplish this when his ally Mr Green is out or on his way out and the non Green alliance would not want another Oligarchy at Ibrox after the recent disasters. Also why bail out of the EPL for the lowly backwaters of our second bottom division? Hopefully things will get better for both clubs

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23 Aug 2013 18:48:23
George if your worried about what could happen to you then pass me the info and il go public with it because mate as a fan i'm getting sick of nothing happening and quiet honestly couldn't care less about what happens to me because the quicker it's out there the better please post ed

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That's an offer and a half George. You might get the result you want and not need to put yourself in the firing line. Win win

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We are free to post unedited on SCRIBD so will reveal all we know on there and hopfly some better news

Had a meeting with a good friend that owned a Club in Scotland and has always had ties to Rangers from my initial meeting he has told me it is very likely the Green Team in board will be out in the near future as Corporate Investors such as Laxey are sick of this and are going with the fans I AM TOLD THAT EASDALES WILL BACK THE PROPOSALS!

Now I have never sat comfortably with the things I hear about them BUT 14 years ago and 'done the time. " is a belief I have they may be a strong pair to have if they siding with a new Financially structured board and Rangers as from what I hear they will not be messed about by anyone. that is a good thing IF THEY ARE ON YOUR SIDE

I reserve my judgement on that. However if they help oust Mather, Stockbridge and the persons destroying us from within I am all for them at this stage,

Hope if I come WITH more people SUPPORTING MY OPINION ON THE SCAM, that I will get to talk to hundreds ot thousand at Berwick game. not building my hopes up after the Takeover Ten show today. george

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@ George

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23 aug 2013 17:51:55
if this continues bickering on here and arguing over petty s**** we are going into admin. astounded i am being slagged off by cnuts that not show up after coming 400 miles to try and strt a protest but 10 people show. george

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George, you are not being slagged off (apart from a few sarky comments from me)
You are being questioned about your validity because of inconsistencies in what you said and the reality of today. There's a huge difference between the two.
Look, If it makes any difference I apologise for my sarcasm. However, the ball's in your court mate. You picked up this particular gauntlet and it's only going to get harder from here on in. If you're raging already after a poor turn out on a Friday afternoon and a few non believers then I doubt you'll get much further with this. Tuesday was always going to be the acid test of if this will work. The facts are people work and not everyone is in a position to just bump their job in the hope that something is going to happen. You've got to be realistic.

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24 Aug 2013 00:06:16
@ Baybear. So then he should just stay at his computer and type a good game like you then. That seems to be your stance.
Oh sorry, you have already declared you are not interested in fronting any protests so instead you would rather just pick at the credability of someone who is actually trying to do something
other than type to save your club. Ok George had a few teething problem so that must instantly make him a wind up artist. Are you sure you aren't from the east end because seems to me that you are trying to do a hatchet job on the only person on this site who actually got off their arse and tried. I thoughts you might have sympathy for someone who's campaign hasn't gone quite as planned "mr boycott the season tickets"

Benedict

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LMAO thanks Benny. george

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24 Aug 2013 02:38:27
Dear benedict I could not give a s*** what any1 thinks about me on this site & I don't think baybear does either, now george the way he was going on was going 2 reveal the end game the way his posts were going but I am lead 2 believe there was no new startling evidence uncovered, now I go 2 home games with my son & watch every away game on tv & that's it for me, I also have a daughter so my time is took up with my work & my family so I would never start up any campaign 2 do this or that, 2 tell u the truth I am sick of all the supporters groups because 2 me it looks like they just want their andy warhol moment & there is about 90 zillion different groups, they should be under the same banner & that's it, I hope they go ahead with the fan membership plan. So it is easy for supporters from other clubs 2 sit on there ars & tell fans of other clubs what 2 do, now I remember the day the rebels won there was not 60,000 soap dodgers outside the stadium there was a large gathering al give you's that but not the numbers you's like 2 think, seville calculator out again, now if baybear wanted a boycott of season tickets for whatever reason he felt justified this, fare play 2 him but I am like thousands of others who just want 2 see their team play & could never do it could you imagine saying 2 my son who is 12 & rangers daft were not going because of these bad men in the boardroom he'd tell me 2 shut the **** up, so you my friend should worry about getting beat from mankini wearing men & that big lady boy centre half your manager paid 2 million quid for, bet the big man swaps his shirt for a mankini next week cheers
Andhol bears

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@2 my only issue in all this is opening my mouth to early Bendict. I initially had my doubts then when reading the first posts about 'no George' and hardly any folk I just jumped the gun and assumed he was on the wind up, sorry. It's a forum for opinions Bendict, not a political campaign. I've since posted apologies to George and hope he manages to be successful with his stance. Thing is though, there was far more than just me that never turned up if as George says there were only 9. The only reason you're having a pop at me is because I have been honest enough to say what I will and will not do. I never intended on being there Friday and I made that clear. I can see why George is bothered by some of my sarky opinions but who rattled your cage? Why are you so interested?
Oh and yes boycotting ST's would have been effective I think but we missed that boat. Good luck George and stay safe.

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24 Aug 2013 12:22:49
@Baybear What rattled my cage simple as this I don't like to see anyone who is actually making an effort to do the right thing be picked on and bullied. Regardless of their football persuasion. Lot of people on here attacking that man when he did more yesterday than any of the rest of you for The last 18 months. And that should be respected. No sh*t on.

@ andhol bear. If you don't care what I think then just ignore my posts you don't have to read them or spend time to reply.
That said your reply highlights exactly the reason rangers are were they are. " I just want to Watch my Team " well pal here's the news in case it hasn't sunk in yet you Will not have a team to take your son to fairly soon unless the fans that fill out ibrox every fortnight do something to stop The cash being sucked out of rangers.
And yes Celtic were beaten by a bunch of kazaks. They would have destroyed rangers also. don't get carried away because you have beaten a few plumbers and chippies. I guess the real test for you Will be when you meet Scotlands most successful club. And I'll savour that day

Benedict

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23 Aug 2013 17:41:57
King B- As 'George' has mysteriously went missing and there were no leaflets here's an idea. Why don't you tell us what groundbreaking info 'Georges' burly minder friend had to say? Don't worry, just use initials and be safe in the knowledge that ed won't post anything libelous anyway.

Deary me! and to think we tell our children to be careful who they speak to online!

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@ baybear I went to ibrox expecting fans outside the front doors there was 9 people standing on the other side of the road it was an absolute joke in all honesty I think it's somebody at the wind up and all this p*sh about if you want to find out who the puppetmaster behind this puppet show go on Tuesday

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Baybear if amounts to nothing then what's the loss, tell me yir ego yir pride what if it amounts to nothing then so what
nothing ventured
nothing gained
but if its true i, ll let you know pal
we, ll keep yi in the lupe
i believe therealranger has grounds for concern
do you?

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@1. Honestly mate, good on you for having enough faith to turn up. I genuinely wish I wasn't such a mistrusting person. I still hope George turns out to be genuine and today was just a catalogue of errors. As is, I wasn't there today so I can only try top get a measure of the situation by what others post on here. So far I've heard or read nothing that has me convinced this is nothing more than a wind up. That said, it makes no difference what I think. If people are going to the game on Tuesday anyway then that is the perfect opportunity for George to pull it out the bag.

On another note LARKY, I've never met you but as a long time poster who appears to speak honestly I have a question- Did you have email contact with George and if so did he meet you in Larkhall as he said he would?

Forever the sceptic

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@baybear i`m not sure I am in the posistion you seem to think I am in I was only stating that if you want to know something that you simply get up off your candycrushing erchie and stop hiding behind your keyboard and go out into the real world and look people in the eye and make up your own mind on what they say and what they don`t say, and what that person told me today I think that there might be some truth to it, as I say get out n find out not sit n surmise ty n goodnight i`ve got a game to watch.

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By the looks of things I've missed an exciting day on here then. 1st of allthe Football 2-0 half time playing ok McLeod & Little with 2 pretty good goals. Hats off to BT Sport for putting a few good questions to Craig Mather earlier who has just stated again there's only £10million in the Bank. Still said he's the man for the job & said he's been nothing but dignified, Truthfull & Transparent he has Rangers best interests at heart. We will see Craig. Let me get things straight I've not seen the George's flier what's the link for it on that Scribd site I searched It but come
up with nothing? I don't know why your so upset at 10
People on a Friday at 12 George it could have been none but it's unimportant we are no further forward with that Tuesday & the 31st will attract more attention but Fliers are a must because very few have obviously seen that Scribd link no? BayBear I'm unsure of what your talking about mate I put my email on yesterday but received nothing back. This is the 1st I've heard of any meeting in Larkhall? I was really intruiged with this & il say it again il be there next Saturday If anyone's got something to say infront of the fans that day then I want to hear it I really hope this is not a load of Rubbish.

Larky Bear

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@4 mate you said you spoke to George's spokesman and then George posts saying it was him there but didn't have flyers something's not right also what's the worst that can happen get the jail or is it gansters or the mafia that he's scared I also notice in a post sayin George said about andy Ellis is that no the same guy that was trying to tap money to try n buy rangers

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@5 Awrite Larky, aye you've missed some amount of 'is he isn't he' espionage on here today :0)

I was referring to this (below) that was posted by George yesterday:

TO LARKY and @4

Larky I used to live in Maple Drive years ago so I am Happy to head straight to Larkhall after I meet whoever comes on Friday (I hope someone comes ;-)). So just tell me where in Larkhall I will bring a few hundred flyers

Driving up tonight, printers at 10am then off to Ibrox :-)

@4 I will be supplying an email AND web site and a mobile for people to contact me regarding flyers AND the stuff I cannot risk put on flyers

I do not know how to uplaod on here can you? And exchanging emails seems a problem too?

. george

So I take it from your post Larky the meet with George didn't happen as he said in his post?

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23 Aug 2013 17:39:28
AFTER DAYS OF POSTING FACTS AND WHAT IS ACTUALLY GOING ON AT RANGERS HOW DO YOU THINK IT FELT DRIVING 9 HOURS AND TEN PEOPLE TURNED UP?

A JOKE

I WAS HONEST AND OPEN WITH THE PEOPLE AND ANSWERED ALL QUESTIONS PUT TO ME

I WAS WORRIED I MIGHT GET IN TE s*** DOING THIS AS SURPRISE SURPRISE NEVER ORGANISED A MASS DEMO BEFORE FOR RANGERS

ANYONE THAT didn't REALISE IN 2 MINUTES WHO I WAS WHEN I DETAILED EVERYTHING AND TOLD PEOPLE THERE I WAS JUST OFF COMPUTER POSTING REPLIES FFS

AS I SAID WHAT DO PEOPLE EXPECT ME TO STAND ON A SOAP BOX AND RANT LIKE JOHN BROWN OR SHOUT FROM THE DOORSTEPS OF IBROX TO THE MASS HORDES GATHERED? 10 PEOPLE FFS IT WAS BASICALLY A SAD DAY FOR ME AND PUTING UP MY FACE AND NAME TRYING TO DO THIS FOR 10 PEOPLE IS TO SAY THE LEAST SOUL DESTROYING

I WAS STILL HONEST AND POLITE AND I HOPE VERY CLEAR IN MY ANSWERS TO ALL QUESTIONS

THE REAL RANGER AND CRAIG SEEMED ONLY PEOPLE WHO UNDERSTOOD EXACTLY WHAT I HAVE POSTED IS GOING ON AT IBROX ET I AM HAVING TO FACE CRITISISM WHEN ALL I AM TRYING TO DO IS UNITE AND RALLY ALL FANS TO PROTEST AS ONE AGAINST THIS ROBBERY

I WILL NOT GIVE UP YET BUT SERIOUSLY 10 PEOPLE WE NEED THOUSANDS TO DO THIS

george protester number 11 {Ed001's Note - look at it this way George, if those ten people bring one more person each and another ten new people turn up on their own, then you are up to 30. They are there and like what you have to say and text all the Rangers fans in their mobile, that may bring another group to have a look. They only have to bring one more person each and it is up to large numbers by your 3rd meeting mate.}

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@ George mate I turned up expecting you with something flyers and that and all I saw was 8 people not looking that interested I sent an email to the address on scribd but still nothing to show the rest of the evidence

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@ George was that you with the gers jacket on if so then you've lied to people that you spoke to sayin you wer George's spokesman or something like that

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George
as someone who has suspected this for a wee while i, m saddend
where do we go from here?

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Ed, well said. Most successful demos start this way. George I took the train and subway to get there today, I was 30 min late and you were gone! The guys that were still there went out of there way as well, and it was short notice for a big demo. People need to build trust, so keep the faith and get to the next game and get them flyers out, that's your next move. Let us see what you've got!

Aye Ready

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Thebear82
i was there I don't think george was the guy with the Rangers jacket on
i kindly got a lift home from that gentleman and now know where he sits at Ibrox so will speak to him again

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George

To be fair to you the info you have is awkward to tell complete strangers who you don't know or know if you can trust but fair play to you for doing what your doing.

How dare anyone batter you down for trying to educate and pass on your fears

See you again before returning south

Craig protestor #2 (BFH)

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George all I can suggest is you keep at it mate. The easiest thing in the world is to criticise and be a lazy smart a#rse there are plenty people on this banter site giving their invaluable opinion but doing SFA. We have more of a chance of saving the club with people like you actually doing something. Please don't be put off with the armchair warriors who are at great pains to tell us how they wrestle with their conscience but do naff all else. I have read your post on the Rumours site and although a lot of us have been up to a point conscious of what you state we have sat back and let it happen. I am a full time carer for my wife but buy season tickets because the GERS are and always will be my time. As the ED states keep up the good work and the bears will gradually rally round and support your efforts. I for one salute and appreciate your efforts- ignore the cynics and best of luck

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@ les but George says he was there anybody who spoke to him would have knew it was him and he was the one doing the talkin when a seen them

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George. Tim in peace. Have been watching your posts and I'm disjointed to at your lack of support, but in defence of your fellow bears they need you to stick at it, they don't know who to trust. Keep at it and team up with 2 or 3 other guys who can all bring different skillets to the table but all have rangers at heart. Ffs don't give up at the first hurdle, get your club sorted out while you still have a chance. HH. Joe

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@5 LES is correct the guy with the rangers jacket was with LES and "George" was doing the talking at the fence also AYE READY was there but just missed the "show" just a pity "George" didn't declare who he was before he left with his mate? Instead of the charade.

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Last poster I'm the guy with red top that left with George. I'm not his mate. Never met in my life before but seemed to get what he was talking about quicker than most

I said to him during the talk that I had contact with people who may be able to help him but would only divulge who in private that is why he asked me to leave with him and discuss in private.

Craig number 2 protester. (BFH)

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@10 I know that lol

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Ok as we all stood along the fence at Ibrox I introduced myself to everyone there I introduced myself to the guy with the grey coat and dark hair I said rangers romours i, m les are you george
he said no i, m his rep. he was the guy with the grey coat

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23 Aug 2013 16:40:13
Just reading the article in the newspaper about Andy goram placing single bets on ally mccoist to score 1st every week, Andy you have been caught out because when you played for rangers you couldn't have a single bet on a football match, the rules have only been changed long after he left rangers, what a load of bull Andy. Ha.

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24 Aug 2013 00:10:04
b******* & the ex bookie can back me up but he has went quite over the last few days wonder why so not counting on him (oh where are thou gaz) anyway me & my m8 put rangers on 2 win every week 2-0 when andy goram was playing & we won s***loads you couldn't bet on a single game, you could bet on correct score or first goalscorer so you have been found out ha ha
Andhol bears

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23 Aug 2013 16:38:58
It's funny to see Charlie Green's men on the offensive today. They've got people covering all forums, now known as "The Ahmad tactic". Attempting to discredit mccoll at every opportunity. Why would he pay money to these shysters, get them out and start the wheels in motion for fan ownership backed by shrewd business men. I expect Charlies men to come out with a major fan ownership or fan appeasing statement soon to try and turn the fans opinion. Get them out. They've taken enough from our team, remove the Green consortium cash drain now before administration 2.

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Really do not know, and neither do you, if what you are sayimg is fact but bottom line is McColl seems to be like many previous, ie. mouth and no money up front but seem to believe because they have a few bob and are gers supporters they have some kind of right. God I hope he is playing a game and building up shares, but right now have doubts.

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23 Aug 2013 16:15:32
do u think the meeting on Tuesday is a plan by cg to get a big crowd in at £16 a go on Tuesday cash at the gate just saying like

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There are some weird things going on, but this is taking it too far.

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23 Aug 2013 16:05:46
Methinks someone has been leading us a merry dance, again!

Glad I let my suspicious mind think for me again. Fairly well constructed wind up by 'George' though.

This is why I asked for an email of the 'flyer'. Cannae trust anyone, when will we learn.

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F*R F***KS SAKE

IT IS ON SCRIBD AND ON THE RUMOURS PAGE AND BEING POSTED ON LOTS SITES

YOU TALK A GOOD GAME BAYBEAR BUTI TURNED UP AND MADE SURE FLYER WAS ONLINE

YOU WANT IT IN PAPER FORM TOO?

I CANNOT BELIEVE I AM BEING SHOT DOWN FOR POSTING CLEAR FACTS ABOUT MISSING MILLIONS HOW IT WAS CARRIED OUT AND POINTING OUT THE ACCOUNTS STILL HIDDEN AND DEEDS NEVER SHOWN

I DRIVE UP THEN SHOW UP AND 10 PEOPLE THERE AND YOUR SITTING IN YOUR ARMCHAIR TYPING AWAY WHILST NOT TURNING UP AND SLAGGING ME AS A WIND UP ARTIST

I STARTING TO UNDERSTAND WHT WE HAVE LAID DOWN AND TOOK THIS

NO SHOW POSTERS SLAGGING OFF A REAL TRUE BEAR DROVE 400 MILES TURNED UP AND GOT MONUMENTALLY LET DOW TEN PEIPLE

TIMS IN THIS S***E THEY BE OUT IN THOUSANDS AND I WOULD BE SPREADING THE WORD NOT HOME LET DOWN AND DEFENDING MYSELF TO NO SHOW ALL TALK POSTER

F*****G CNUTS GET YOUR PRIORITIES SORTED OUT I AM NOT THE PROBLEM HERE APATHY AND LACK OF FIGHT IS

PISSED OFF. george

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Baybear I have read a few of your posts (well quite a lot) and I would probably agree with most of them and you would be generally correct in your assumptions, now what you say is probably correct and I have no reason to doubt your insight, I have read the transcripts on SCRIBD and the story is posted here and once you digest the material (unless there is a great deal more to come) we are not really any further forward! I did attend the meet at the stadium and was hoping for a lot more but sadly not forthcoming, could it we have been holding out for a hero! And now we feel let down, we really have nobody to blame but ourselves

I will say you are 100% right we need to more savvy and better organised

LES was really up for distributing the leaflets and his friend at the upcoming games but you are right NO leaflets?

Is it a wind up? I honestly don't really know but I would give "George" at least Another chance to expand!

Meanwhile I agree with you to a point and we should be very wary of any possible "wind up"

Keep up the good work baybear!

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Baybear, keep them Blue suede shoe on hold, you could be right in the end though. Personally I thought Georges post was a good platform to get folks ready for something bigger, I hope! It was a bit disappointing today albeit I didn't get there till 12. 30 and missed his "Rep" Don't get me wrong I fully get your caution, but he might just be a Bear desperate for change, or cautious himself. It was good to meet Les n The real Ranger in the flesh, true Blue's!

Aye Ready

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George- You do too much shouting mate, I know you're angry but just reading all those capitals gives me a headache.
Now that I've got that out the way can I point out that I told you I would not be there today but said I would Tuesday. A few reasons for this, I am not about to skip work to turn up at a random event organised by who knows. Also, it provides me the opportunity to see if you are genuine or not as my other requests for clarification were not forthcoming. As it panned out I came on here to see numerous posts saying "where are you George" and Ffs only about 8 folkand no George. Along with 'no flyers' and Georges representative? Given the fact that Scribd gave us nothing more than we already knew, and all of the above it should be pretty clear why I'm sceptical. You say I talk a good game but it was you who talked of '3000 flyers' and made claims of providing names and new info. Claims I (and others it seems) have had no evidence of. As for honesty there are a few who have encouraged me on here to lead a protest. I've been honest enough to say that I have no desire or intention of doing this. So if you are who you say you are, props to you. I couldn't do what your doing. Although it seems you're not doing it either? Is there anyone who was there today who can challenge this opinion with facts to back Georges claims? If so I will gladly eat humble pie and see you on Tuesday as I had already said.

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@ George what's on scribd is common knowledge mate I've sent an email to that address on scribd for more info but yet not a reply

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You are all missing the point I gave up one name that has flown below the radar today and at meet explained what he did Andrew Ellis

You expect me to stand and risk my health by giving out names of some serious characters when the support I have is 10 people??

You all remind me of the Judean Peoples Front in Life of Brian and looking for Messiah to lead you all out of this whilst siting on your arses complaining about me only turning up from london and only posting in my name serious accusations and turning up to back it up

What the F**K have any of you done in the last year and you are all on here whining away whilst YOU LIVE NEAR IBROX compared to me

I am on unpaid leave 5 days and option to extend to 9 IF I FELT IT WAS WORKING

I am not the Messiah or a leader I am just one of you. a Rangers fan that loves his club. but I decided to try and kickstart a proper demo/protest and the thanks I am getting is where's the 'flyers' tell us the secrets of who all the bad men behind this are. BRIAN LEAD US FOR IT IS A SIGN WE WORSHIP YOU AND THE SCRIBTURES OH MESSIAH I KNOW YOU ARE THE MESSIAH I SHOULD KNOW I've SEEN A FEW. but friends 'george/brian' DENIED HE WAS THE MESSIAH!

JEHOVAH AND BLESSINGS THEN IT IS TRUE ONLY THE TRUE MESSIAH WOULD DENY IT!



If I didn't laugh I would be crying today

Tommorrow is another day I am learning I have litened to you at Ibrox and on here

I made a mistake not running off copies of Scribt/Flyer to handout so some started doubt my genuineness?

I think if all you got me on is the flyers I am due respect on all other things I have done

RFFR (Rangers Fans For Rangers). george

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23 Aug 2013 15:19:06
do you think that if we win the pawnbroker cup cg will pawn it

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No if Rangers win the Ramsdens cup
they will get it sometime in the future
dont know where don't know when
as the song goes

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Hilarious. Must have really stretched the mind to come up with that one.

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23 Aug 2013 15:10:44
Getting a bit fed up with Jim McColl, ii am beginning to think he is a bit like many previous, inasmuch we hear plenty but no cash forthcoming.

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He has already said he is not interested in investing directly in the club. He has only been a spokesperson for the IIs out there. He does have a lot of clout, let this one play out.

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23 Aug 2013 15:45:16
BE PATIENT battle for control just has to be won before he gives his money to the club.

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Why do you wish him to bring out his cash?green and co would only take it aswell?.

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When will you learn? We need a powerful figure (mccoll) with powerful individuals (Smith, p Murray, blin ) to fight the cancer within our club.
without these guys we are done in my honest opinion.

Some people need to wake up and realise what's happening

Btw I used to call myself Gblue. Lost password etc

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I agree he should cough up or shut up he can't have it both ways. W. a. T. P

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Mcoll will be investing nowt!!He will overlook the mass cuts & pay offs when the new board is elected. Huge changes will be brought in & the tsunami of debts brought into the public eye. BDO'S work will take years, but when published it will be the old HUSTLER movie re invented with all them characters changed too present day charlatans ie. Murray, whyte, Greene, Mcoist, ahmed, watty bain Johnston etc, the lists endless including all the EBT LOANS, iF THEY WHERE PAID BACK, IT WOULD HAVE STOPPED ADMIN AND LIQUIDATION. steff

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@6 what the point of your post admin and liquidation has happened so there no point with ifs and buts

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23 Aug 2013 15:03:07
All the people who have defended Mr Rangers McCoist should have a look at the latest CF release. Agreeing to hide hia actual salary along with Green. Very dignified.

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23 Aug 2013 14:01:08
To George.
I posted earlier on your last post today, it's the long reply about fighting for our club and getting it back and having a major boycott.
I agree with you 100% all the way, but there should be a national aggressive assault on the fans urging action and a major boycott of all matches, and commercial purchases of all things rangers until this is over! All rangers fans, from the loyal st holder of 45 years to the young impressionable fan. We should all stick in this together and get the feet on the ground and the voices heard loud and proud. It's is our Glasgow rangers, this is our club and we want it back! Get all the legends you want to back it up, get in touch with the blue order and union bears etc. Get everybody on board to weed these out! I can guarantee if there was 51000 outside the front door every match day before during and after the match, these persons running our club would listen! Don't spend any money at the club, they already have season ticket money. Don't spend another penny. All they want is money, they don't care if a stadium protest happens, they already have the money in the pocket! A boycott of ALL matches is what's required and a boycott of all purchases is what's needed. Give them no more money and give them no opportunity to take more out the club! We need them out NOW! There is a genuine threat of admin for the second time, let's not just sit back and allow it to happen again! It's our club and its our voice that news to be heard. let's make it happen!!

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Well intentioned but misguided mate. There is a threat if admin that's for sure but they need the cash to stave it off. Clever eh? People on here called for a boycott of season tickets that would have worked. Pay at the gate was the way to go.

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@ OP won't starving the club of any more income speed up Admin? Reading between the lines we all expect this event to happen if the current board and puppet masters are not moved on and like all bears I do not want the current board and rogue shareholders like Mr Green and Mr Ahmed and their likes to get another penny just nervous that the changes which will occur at the AGM/EGM in October will be negated if Admin Two occurs before the potential changes. I agree with the sentiment just concerned because be under no illusions a second trumatic financial event will be severly punished by the powers that be and the bottom division again with other penalties await us. Will we recover again? Possibly but it is not a given

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The sfa would love us to go into another admin you know how corrupt they are

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23 Aug 2013 19:21:58
@3 ffs open your eyes. Sfa have got nothing to do with this, we are being destroyed from inside.

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23 Aug 2013 13:44:07
No show from George, what a surprise that is he says with a huge dollop of sarcasm. Strait jacket for George. What a bam, obviously not right in the head. We are led to believe he has inside info on the goings on at Ibrox when he cannae even spell ffs. Gies peace George and do us a favour eds and ban this plonker from posting.

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George said yesterday due to other peoples work commitments he would be at ibrox for 5pm tonight.

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I WAS THERE AT 12 I SPOKE TO THE 10 YES BEARS 10 FANS THAT TURNED UP

WHO THE F**K ARE YOU AND WHERE WERE YOU?

I ADVISED ALL THAT TURNED UP THAT SCRIBD DOES NOT BLOCK ANY CONTENT SO NOW WE HAVE A SITE O POST FACTS ON

ANDREW ELLIS I MENTIONED TODAY FOR THOSE THAT TURNED UP

TO BE FAIR THE BEARS THERE LES CRAIG THEREALRANGER AND OTHERS SUGGESTEDBEFORE RANGERS HOME GAME AT 7PM. I WILL BE THERE AT 5PM ONWARDS. REPRESENTED OR IN PERSON I AM FEELING MY WAY ROUND THIS AS IT IS DANGEROUS POSSIBLY BEING THE PERSON THAT IS INSTIGATING THE TRUTH COMING OUT

THEY DO NOT WANT THAT AS IT MAY F**K UP THEIR PLANS TO 2ND ADMIN US.

I LEARNED A FEW MORE FACTS TODAY AS AFTER I LEFT TE 10 MASSIVE I WENT TO SEE A MAJOR PLAYER IN RANGERS PAST WHO IS NOW ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN THE ONGOING ATTEMPT TO DUMP THIS BOARD

I WILL POST ON SCRIBD AFER I SEE HIM AGAIN THIS WEEKEND AND ON MONDAY HE IS GETTING INFO EVERY DAY ON THE PROGRESS AND LIKELYHOOD OF VOTE TO OUST THE CURRENT PERSONS

LET DOWN THAT ONLY TEN BUT I WILL NOT GIVE UP TUESDAY IS FOUR MORE DAYS OF POSTING AND SPREADING THE TRUTH SO MAYBE MORE WIL COME

SEE YOU THERE OR ARE YOU ANONYMOUS IN PERSON TOO?. RFFR RTID. george

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@"george" me n my missus were one of the first two people who spoke to you today n it was understandable that you were a bit wary of the people n the surroundings, we never got speaking too much but I would like to know more of what you had to say. you also mentioned a couple of names today of people I know personally when growing up and you said you will be speaking to them also. so I will come on tuesday and you can let me know the feedback from them.

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@ George can you send me a flyer I emailed the address on scribd a reply would be appreciated

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Kingb I saw you mate I apologise for not taking more time to talk to you direct but as you saw I was actually in semi shock that 10 people there

Been trying to recoup my confidence today as you must realise mate. say this does take off and let's say we do like Celtic did and board ousted.

I know from friends in Greenock the Easdales are serious people and I am sure others that would also be losing their personal cashcow they are milking would potentially be pissed off to say the least

So let's say today I went gungho and did a JohnBrown ranting about what I believe is happening

Then it gets bigger at Tuesday game with me the 'front' spokesman.

After board overthrown

Who do you think they would be looking to as the guy that stole their money?

Me if I as on camera and visible leader NOT the thousands that led to overthrow but me as without the catalyst it won't happen!

So there you can see why I was treading very warily

IF Craig in red top is real deal he will likely have a load of people round me at next game and THEN I would possibly be okay leading from the front

My number is on Scribd

Chat anytime

RFFR george

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23 Aug 2013 13:56:39
just back from ibrox where I spoke to george`s rep and he told me some insightful stuff about who is really behind the scene and what is going to happen to our club if nothing is done soon. so if you want to hear more go and speak to the guy on tuesday outside ibrox doors at 7pm. that`s all I have to say at the moment.

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Georges' rep? who's he then? wasn't a taxi driver with a Celtic top on was he?
Did you get a flyer King B or was he all out of them?

and this right here is why we need a recognised supporters body to be organising things. You might not like them but at least you know they'll turn up if they organise something. As I said before, anyone can come on here and make up any auld p!5h

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Just back from Ibrox
around a dozen fans there
the guy speaking for George spoke to us
i, m afraid no extra information that I did, nt know or suspect other than who the main man is and if you want to know his name you will need to ask him yourself on Tuesday
i, m sorry pal but why no flyers?
this has made me very suspect of people who can't deliver
the flyers will need to be there for Tuesday and more info and names before I can move on that's the way it is for me George
good to see a face with a name ie realranger

the balls in your court George

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@ kingb mate I turned up there was 8 people there av sent an email to the address on scribd to try and find out more info also mate on Tuesday will be good but most fans will protest and then turn and go in and watch the game which kind of undermines the protest but ill be ther on Tuesday

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Completely off topics on this board. Great to see the progress on the park this year. Great start to the season, new players integrating well. Law and Daly outstanding. Bill looking like a well settled back. Peralta who I personal think is the buy of the season waiting in the wings. And potentially the next captain of Ireland on trial. I just love football.

Ozzie Al

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Sorry george but I hope your not another. some other time man
just like the present Rangers board
you, ll see this and be told that. some other time
so get the flyers ready get the names named or i, m out. no some other time for me

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I`m replying to you baybear I didn`t turn up at ibrox today to recieve a flyer. I turned up to see what the guy had to say for himself or whoever was speaking for him, and until that day when one of the so called recognised rangers supporters group stands up and organises a meeting to find out the real truth then I am entitled to listen to whom I like wether they talk p15h or not, then that is up to me to make my own mind up ty.

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Kingb
do you suspect if mccoll buys them out
that this will just be swept under the carpet?

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Just a wee bit disappointed today? I left a job to attend as promised and apart from the dozen or so diehards this really was a no show. On a lighter note it proves that most rangers supporters actually work! Nice to meet some of the guys and in particular LES a decent true supporter and his mate well done for travelling in!

The real sad part was I was expecting some good leads on this lot and was anticipating a flyer with all the gory details, George's rep was understandably nervous and I felt quite sorry for him trying to get the story over in front of complete strangers so fair play for turning up and trying.

The one thing this does prove is we need to be better organised and we need to spread the news much more efficiently. As I say get the facts and keep the pressure up we need to stand together and as one collective voice.

Oh by the way George I gave your rep my card if you want to give me a call we should have a chat

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I saw George at ASDA.

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@ les what was Georges excuse for not being there it was a complete waste of my time today

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No worries Kingb. I apologise for being a bit brutal. However I'm p'd off about today.
Dissapointing turnout and no show by George.

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@les if and it`s a big IF, mccoll does buy them out then i`m afraid more than this will be swept under the carpet, the same as mccoist and his cohorts are trying to sweep their wage-slips under there, it`s going to be a very big carpet lol.

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To all who are on here complaining

are you aware of the danger of exposing these crooks I turned up and decided to hedge my bets as only ten f*****g people turned up and I am new to this FFS what if one of you was involved with board and had a go? there were so few there it could have been a problem

I CAME FROM F****G LONDON THE ONLY SAVVY PERSON THAT COPPED ONTO WHO I WAS WENT A WALK WITH ME AND I TOLD HIM SOME OF THE NAMES INVOLVED PLUS MY NAME

TRUE CRAIG?

ANYWAY I AM AT LEAST STICKING TO MY GUNS I AM POSTING THE TRUTH AND IF F**K ALL HAPPENS THEN WE GO INTO ADMIN I CAN HOLD MY HEAD UP AND SAY I DID MY BEST

THE F*****G FLIERS WERE NOT AN ISSUE AS BY TIME I WAS LEAVING TO GO TO PRINTERS THE POST ON SCRIBD WAS ON EVERY RANGERS SITE

IF YOU WANT A FLYER PRINT IT OFF THE NET

I CANNOT SPELL? FFS IS THAT YOUR BEST SHOT?

I TYPE QUICKLY AND DO NOT GO THROUGH MY POSTS WITH A FINE COMB TO CORRECT TYPOS FFS GREAT WE GOING TO GO BUST BECAUSE I can't SPELL ASSET STRIPING BARSTEWARDS

I HOPE THE BOYS THERE TOOK NOTE OF NAME I TOLD THEM THAT WAS BEHIND THIS

FROM NOW ON I WILL POST EVERY FACT I HEAR ON SCRIBD

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SAY WHY ARE YOU SHOOTING THE PIANO PLAYER I AM JUST PLAYING THE TUNE THESE ANIMALS HAVE CLEARLY DONE TO RANGERS

CLEAR AS DAY NO BILLS PAID £35/45 MILLION UNACCOUNTED FOR NO ACCOUNTS STILL! AND NO DEEDS PROOF. DID I MISS SOMETHING?

IF THESE FACTS ALONE don't TROUBLE YOU THEN I can't HELP THEY ARE FACTS CLEAR AS DAY

TIRED MAYBE SPELLING MISTAKE WAS BECOS (SORRY 'BECAUSE) HAVE DRIVEN 400 MILES AND HARLY BEEN OFF THIS SITE TRYING TO KEEP YOU POSTED AND REPLY TO PEOPLE ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT MY POSTS

I SERIOUSLY CANNOT BELIEVE A DICK JUST PULLED ME FOR SPELLING AND NO SHOW BUT IGNORES US F****D FOR £35/45 MILLION 2ND ADMIN LOOMING NO ACCOUTS AND DEEDS MIGHT NOT BE RANGERS NOW. YEH OUT OF ALL THAT SPELLING IS THE ONE THE F*****G CAUGHT MY EYE

YUO KUCFING KANWER

. GEORGE GOING FOR SOME SLEEP EXAUSTED AND DEPRESSED AT TODAYS TURNOUT

ASK ME IF YOU NEED THE PAPER FLYERS RATHER THAN SEE ON NET I WILL BRING ON TUESDAY INCASE ANYONE doesn't HAVE A COMPUTER OR INTERNET?

RFFR RTID

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Granted King B, wasn't having a pop at you dude. Just pointing out that we need to excersize caution. You're entitled to do what you want mate but as I said, any bampot can say anything on here. I was up for Georges proposal but facts are facts mate. He came across all 'I've got names/friends in high places/lawyers etc' which sounded great. However, when I first 'politely' suggested an exchange of emails through ed (A) to check validity of info (B) to check credibility of poster, he couldn't come up with the goods. He's not even a registered poster ffs?! Then, instead of providing something of substance he goes and provides a link to something which is no more info than we all post on here.
I'm afraid for me that's where the credibility died for me and like you King B I'm entitled to do what I want too. So there you have it 'George' if you were ever genuine (which we both know your not) then your opportunity to have credibility has been blown by today's no show and no 3000 flyers. However, I'm sure you're too busy having a nice wee chuckle with your pals at the expense of some desperate, trusting bears to care.

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To be honest I did, nt ask but as therealranger said the guy was nervous I could see that right away
if this IS a multi million pounds scam
he has every right to be
Tuesday night and what he/they can put up on the site will decide it i, ll give these guys a chance
remember they have to come and speak to bears in front of the main doors on Tuesday night I for one will not be pleased to be hit with a load of keech
and if its keech well it will go with all the other keech we have had to read and listen to

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McCoists wages MAY have TUPED over no?

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Les, I forgot to ask you, the Laxey conversation, was that the general theme of where George (or his rep) was coming from?

Aye Ready

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Give the guy a break

I was the guy with red top that went a walk with George after we all met. Couple of points

1) he said he was a rep of George at start but if anyone was in doubt after he slipped up about posting and his drive up then you weren't listening enough. I understand why he started by saying he was a rep as he didn't know any of us when he first met us.

2) some of the stuff George told me during our walk really got my blood boiling and if any true blue wants to have a pop at a guy who loves the club and wants to do something about it then put your head back in the sand and let others do something for you.

Les thanks for introducing yourself and see you Tuesday

Craig protester number 2 (BFH)

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23 Aug 2013 20:12:26
@ Baybear. why must this be a wind up. Its obvious to me that Georges rep is actually George. Maybe he isn't confident about speaking in public to a bunch of strangers. Maybe he thought if he spun a story about evidence and flyers enough bears would turn up and there we be a platform to launch from there. Maybe he didn't have the cash to get 3000 flyers printed. Its all very well cropping on someone else's efforts when you don't do anything yourself but you turns on bycotting st sales! I have been reading posts from a George on this site for a year whether its the same guy I don't know. However I think this guy is a rangers fan and was trying to kick start something. Albeit he might be ill equipped to do so.
Above all I think what this illustrates is rangers fans complete lack of interest in doing anything to save their club. Not unless you are trying to tell me that you were all Cynical of Georges motives because let's be honest current history wouldn't support that argument. Your club is doomed if you don't stop arguing and actually get off your computer and do something. by the way if you are waiting on one of the supporters groups to act then good luck. They are in it up to Their necks also.

Benedict {Ed001's Note - just to point out, to be fair, the guy's been posting with his email address, the same one, for a significant period of time. I would say that would mean it was likely the same person.}

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@19- When I posted the evidence suggested it was a wind up, I wasn't the only person to say this. As for doing something. I think you'll find now that the general consensus is that the STs were our chance to take control. I believe I banged on about this for weeks but it became futile after 30k+ were sold. I think you'll also find that I have tried to push for a registered supporters group to do something along with a personal stance of cancelling my ST out of principle. I have written numerous emails and made calls to both the club and the RST calling for clarity. Just because I have no desire to be some sort of front man or mount a soap box on the Ibrox steps doesn't mean I'm doing nothing.
ED- Thanks for that. That small piece of info does add some credibility for me.

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Here here @19 well said.

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@18 I get wot your saying mate I did come down and seen 8 people a seen a was shocked only that many turned up but come on mate a couple of flyers would have been good surely the more people that know the truth the quicker we can try and sort it

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Craig see you on tuesday big man

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Aye ready
i, m sorry the return of Murray is an obsession of mine
no georges rep did not mention murray
in fact said he was not involved
but I did ask
it was my first question to him
is Murray involved
he said no

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23 Aug 2013 12:28:00
Just passed ibrox there seen about 20 people hopefully this is the start of something big I urge all fellow bears to get here now ed please post

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It's alright to urge us all to get there but to get away from work on a Friday afternoon is pretty difficult, especially the week the schools go back. A meeting in the evening would have been much more realistic for people to travel and be there to support this guy George. As posted now, Tuesday @ 7pm is a more realistic arrangement. Coisty09

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23 Aug 2013 12:01:01
Just passed ibrox at 12 there and where are u George can't see anyone there mate a think the rangers fans only listen too the rst and the ub and the bo ed please post

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Absolute joke man went to ibrox and thers 10 fans

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Was George a wind-up?

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What the **** happened? We got there about 12:10 and their wasn't a soul to be seen. Where are you George?

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23 Aug 2013 11:51:13
George

It's 11. 52 and not a soul outside from door to main stand.

BFH

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That`s funny that as I was standing there with my missus and a few others. so why didn`t you stop and be the first one there or where you just driving by and hoping someone else would turn up and do your supporting for you as it seems a lot of people did and they all so called rangers fans stuck their heads in the sand once again.

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@kingb
Your bang out of order mate and I don't know what your game is either to be brutally honest.
Did you see the blue mini bus going back and forward from about 12:15 onwards? That was me and five mates. You say you spoke to george's spokesman! Was that the big burly guy? We were looking for a bloke with a hat or teashirt with protestor number 1 as advised. We seen next to nobody (four people) Fair play to you if that was you, but where was george?
I supported this and six of us travelled up from Ayrshire for a non show by the man who started this. What was the enlightening stuff the "rep" told you? I supported this 100% and told everybody I knew, six of us made it today and plenty more were all going on Tuesday, bad PR today though.

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I`m sorry if I offended you and I am certainly not playing a game I merely turned up to listen to what george had to say and was a bit dissappointed in the turn out, albeit george wasn`t there but his "friend" turned up and spoke to ten of us that did turn up. now I know people had work commitments and other things to do, and it was a bit short notice but I only went to hear another slant in this sorry tale that is spinning out of ibrox on a daily basis now so my apologies m8 n good luck.

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@ 2 no it wasn't him he had left by then

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23 aug 2013 11:29:16
andy goram states sfa employees put bets on for scotland players while on international duty!

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23 Aug 2013 13:00:50
If you want to make accusations either grow a pair and name names or all you're doing is brnging the game into disreupute.


Wonder if Andy ever put a bet on a football game?

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The sfa are a shambles they should be chased

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Wonder if Andy's looking to sell a story?

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Think this is a valid post in relation to these allegations against SFA. Will the media follow up. I doubt it but it may well be a bigger storey they are going to miss?

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23 Aug 2013 11:12:35
meeting put back to end of October this allows more time for the spivs to take as much as they can from the pot then a month later sell shares and move on having made a fortune

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23 Aug 2013 10:19:14
Just a thought do you think Chuckles and friends are trying to bug out before it all goes pear shaped with who owns what, and his doing wee Whyte over on the SEVCO transfer.

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I do. g .

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23 Aug 2013 09:15:50
If Black is named tonight in team or subs, then Rangers are in serious trouble. And Ally does not know what he has got mixed up in, a very silly man.

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Yet again its what's best for Ally McCoist NOT Rangers. McCoist should be sacked immediately he is a complete disgrace, I can't believe this is the same man we all used to idolise!

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@o/p please explain how Rangers are in trouble?

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At 2. Fielding an exposed player? perhaps? Fielding a player who gambles against himself? It is not prooved yet, but take the risk? No.

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@2 Can't you read! See posts below

PS Rangers are fine

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Hes got to play if he's allowed he will get his punishment from sfa

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Is ally blacks agent? Were was allys support for sandaza who done very little, the clubs an embarrassment.

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Heard ally got black on as first goalscorer

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Black is not everyones favorite player at Ibrox but if he's picked I can see no reason for him not to play. Has it been proved that he bet against Rangers? @2 you kind of contradict yourself there don't you.

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23 Aug 2013 08:20:14
How much worse can it get. Ally, waving pieces of paper around, accusing people. How about he wave the deeds around for all to see. That would shut us up. But we know why he will not do that, don't we?

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Alternatively, instead of getting his players to name other players or referrees who supposedly like a gamble work on improving fitness or something useful.

And I am alone in wondering if the naming of 100 fellow professionals actually really took place? And if it did, did any of the Rangers players name any of their team mates?

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@op aye because he's no got them

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McCoist has gone to far in this he is not a position to accuse any one of anything. If he names ANYONE then his can be sued unless he has cast iron proof. If the SFA had any guts he'd be on the rack now.

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He has accused officials and defo brought the game into disrepute. Compliance officer?

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Cleaning up the rotten disregard for gambling rules takes a first example. Same as everything else in life. This guy is the example. Getting after everyone at the same time isn't how its done. MCoist is wrong on clarifying what's allowed, the rules are crystal clear.

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@4 No he has not although this was the ploy just like his players to smart for most

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If Ally sat his squad down and asked if any player put a fixed odds on they (the ones that had a bet) would probably admit that they do or have done, no one would have to grass any one. I still find it hard to believe any Rangers player would bet against Rangers. Who is making the allegations and what proof do they have, and does anybody think there is only one player in Scotland that does a coupon, yet there is only one being named.

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23 Aug 2013 08:10:24
Will anyone on here be passing ibrox today after 12o clock, read on another rangers site that a bear from London is going to be outside the front door with 3000 leaflets about his take on what's going on behind the scenes. Might be a interesting read

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@ op I will be there George puts posts on here aswell

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FLYERS NOT NEEDED IT IS VIRAL ON SCRIBD ND LOTS OTHERS WILL NOW JUST SEND AS EMAIL ATTACHMENT TO ANYONE SEES EMAIL ON SCRIBD. STILL PREPARED HAND OUT AT BERWICK GAME ON TUESDAY BUT SEEMS DAFT TO WASTE £300 ON PRINTING I AM NOT A RANGERS DIRECTOR I DON'T BELIEVE IN WASTING MONEY. RFFR RTID . george

Get Larky to mail or text so I know where to go in Larkhall after Ibrox

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George

Is 12. 00 Ibrox today on or off

BFH

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23 Aug 2013 07:12:20
Here's a wee idea, why doesn't Tom hunter and jim mccoll not come in together to buy rangers? Both have tried in the past and failed so maybe they could try one last time?

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Tried and failed? Both are on record as saying they have no interest in buying the club.

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@1) surely McColl should shut up about how other people's investments are being managed then. I'll wager he only has 25% of the vote and how will fans feel if all his propositions fail at AGM? It's inevitable. It's honest democracy and everyone will have to live with that.

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23 Aug 2013 05:33:17
TO ALL READ SCRIBD AND COMMENT THAT NOT REVEALING ENOUGH I HAVE BEEN TYPING HERE LAST YEAR TRYING TO POST MORE REVEALING STUFF TOOK ME 9 MONTHS WATERING DOWN EVERY MONTH TO GET POST ON. sorry not my fault. coming up my last crack at whip CANNOT WATCH MY TEAM GO DOWN PAN AGAIN WITHOUT TRYING. JUST HOPE IT STARTS A WAVE BUILDING UP TO A SUNAMI ON THESE PERSONS. I HATE EVERY ONE OF THEM. YOU KNOW BEARS HOW IT FELLS IN YOUR GUT WHEN YOU SEE CW PHOTOS ANY TIME?

THATS WHAT HAS RIVEN ME ON HE STARTED THIS NOT PAYING TAXES SIMPLE ALL DOWHILL FROM THEN

IF HE HAD JUST F****D OFF TO HIS HOLE IN MONACO AND SHUT THE F**K UP I HAD LOST HEART>>>> BUT NO EVERY F*****G CHANCE HE COMES ON LIKE SOME MENTAL WALTER MITTY WISH SOME NEW P**H.

I HOPE HE IS READING THIS AS THE TRUTH HURTS THESE GUYS THEY DO NOT EXPECT THE COMMON MAN TO JOIN THE DOTS AS THEY SCRAMBLE THEM UP WITH PAPERWORK AND TALL TALES>

TOO LATE CW WE ARE ON TO YOU NOW SON. george

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23 Aug 2013 05:26:23
AGAIN EDs LAST ATTEMPT PLEASE POST AND LET PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT INFO ON SCRBD SITE. up in Scotland now 5am KNACKERED. RFFR . RTID. george

AS I SAID CAN YOU REPOST PLEASE ED?
ED. I am hoping to repost this every day till I leave to come up early Friday. Hope you can see into reposting Wednesday and Thursday and Friday I need as many Rangers Fans as possible to see it. Thanks-

This is for baybear larky etc Rangers Fans that have common sense regarding what is ACTUALLY going on a Rangers Football Club

Sick fed up trying to get posts past the ED's on here in which I detailed what has ACTUALLY been going on from the beginning SDM to CG the use of Duff and Pals to Blue Knights not being preferred bidder and CG and pals winning the end game.

I have posted ACURATE facts on all these goings on based on my PERSONAL involvement in the legal, admin and general tidying up stages of Company Sequestrations.

That and the fact I have friends I went to school with in 2 important areas regarding the Rangers 'heist'.

PF and Police, I AM NOT DOING THE 'MY BAST PALS AUNTIE KNOWS SNOWY THE DOG ROUTINE', THESE ARE PALS FROM SCHOOL AND UNI THAT HAVE JOBS IN THESE 2 IMPORTANT AREAS TO KNOW WHAT HAS BEEN GOING ON.

I won't even attempt again trying to put facts and names even using ***** FED up as not being posted.

I AM F*****G SICK FED UP WITH THE WHOLE ROTTEN LOT OF THEM SO I HAVE PASSED THE FULL FILE OF FACTS OVER TO ONE OF THE PEOPLE CONCERNED AND THIS IS NOW BEING HANDED TO THE DR IN THE HOPE THE TRUTH COMES OUT AND AUTHORITIES CAN DO SOMETHING BEFORE THE END GAME AND 2ND ADMIN. WHICH IS 100% ALREADY IN MOTION.

THINK SDM- ANDREW ELLIS- CW- D&P -CG- RIGHT THROUGH TO THE CURRENT BOARD, ALL TRYING TO AVOID CLARITY AND OPEN HONESTY ON ALL THE FACTS WE NEED - ACCOUNTS - OWNERSHIP OF ASSETS - WHERE HAS £30m PLUS GONE?. THE 3 QUESTIONS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ASKED AT THAT JOKE MEETING WITH THE 'FANS' GROUPS.

I REALLY HOPE THIS IS POSTED ED? REMOVE ANYTHING YOU FEEL WILL ALLOW THE MOST OF IT IF I HAVE SAID ANYTHING 'UNPOSTABLE?

BEEN TYPING THIS FOR A YEAR NOW GIVING UP. HOPING THE POWER OF THE PRESS WILL SAVE OUR CLUB BEFORE 2nd ADMIN AND POSSIBLE ASSET SALE DISASTER.

Yours as always in RANGERS. george

I have not told one lie or made anything up in this post for some personal reason on here I am just sick tired and totally ill with reading the numerous varying opinions on here some trust ally some trust CG others trust McColl others the Blue Knights. I AM FED UP FELLOW BEARS, THE PEOPLE DOING THIS ARE PRO's AND THE DIVISION OF OPINION IS FOR SURE 100% EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT AND NEED TO CARRY THIS OUT

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23 Aug 2013 05:24:16
ED LAST POST CAN YOU DO AGAIN MATE? Thanks. george

AND THIS ONE TOO ED CHEERS MATE
I TRIED TO POST THIS AS A MAIN POST NOT JUST AN ANSWER TO YOUR COMMENT ED. PLEASE POST THIS FOR ME IN WEDNESDAY BANTER I AM PUTING A LOT OF EFFORT INTO COMING UP FROM LONDON FOR A WEEK AND PRINTING FLIERS ETC ETC

I SHALL BE AT THE MAIN DOOR AS IN THE MAIN DOOR THE 'BOARD' AND PLAYERS WALK THROUGH IN RANGERS FOOTBALL CLUB TRADITIONAL MAIN STAND 12pm FRIDAY 23rd.

I WILL WEAR A HAT OR SHIRT MAKING CLEAR WHO I AM "PROTESTER NUMBER ONE. GEORGE" JUST TO START THE BALL ROLLING. IF IT TURNS OUT I MAKE A CNUT OF MYSELF AND IF I AM WRONG AND THERE ISN'T A LARGE SUPPORT FOR THIS REAL RANGERS FANS DEMO THEN I WILL BE SAD BUT I WILL BE HAPPY AT LEAST I DID SOMETHING BEFORE THE END GAME OF 2ND ADMIN AND THE POSSIBLE SALE OF IBROX AND OTHER RANGERS FC ASSETS. Okay Ed I will retype it later tonight if it does not appear.

The basis was I AM TOTALLY FED UP WITH NOBODY TAKING THE LEAD ON A REAL ACTUAL PROPER LARGE SCALE FANS DEMO.

I AM CANCELLING WORK AND FAMILY TIES HERE IN LONDON TO COME UP ON FRIDAY MAINSTAND AT MAIN DOOR OF IBROX 12pm AND HOPE OTHERS SHOW UP I WILL BRING 3000 HAND OUTS LISTING THE ACTUAL FACTS AND THE CHARACTERS INVOLVED FROM THE ONES WE HAVE SEEN IN OUR BOARD ROOM TO THE OTHERS BEHIND ALL THIS.

IF ENOUGH PEOPLE TURN UP FRIDAY I AM INTENDING PRINTING OFF 30000 OF THE SAME FACT SHEETS AND A FEW LEGAL SUGGESTIONS YOU couldn't PUT ON HERE AS TO HOW TO KEEP UP THE PROTEST AND DRAW ATTENTION TO WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW TO OUR CLUB FOR THE F*****G SECOND TIME!

I WILL BE AT MAIN DOOR MAIN STAND AGAIN IF I don't GET ARRESTED (BELIEVE IT OR NOT I HAVE CONSULTED A LAWYER ON THIS AND I DO HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH ACCUSATIONS AND NAMING NAMES ETC ETC) TUES 5pm B4 BERWICK GAME.

I DO NOT CARE IT IS WORTH IT HOPING TO START THE PROTEST THE THE MOB FROM THE EAST WOULD HAVE DONE BY NOW

IF THIS TAKES OFF I WILL ARRANGE THROUGH ONE OF THE TOP LAWYERS IN GLASGOW THAT HAS FULL KNOWLEDGE OF THIS TO SET UP A FANS COMPANY AND DEPENDING ON HOW THINGS GO NOMINATING SOMEONE WE ALL AS GERS FANS CAN TRUST TO BE THE FIGUREHEAD OR LEADER OF THIS PROTEST (my only choice John Grieg?) AND POTENTIALLY BE ACCOUNT SIGNEE HOLDING FUNDS THAT CAN ONLY BE RELEASED ON FULL BACKING OF THE FAN BASED PROTEST GROUP WE NEED TO THINK HEARTS AND HOW SOME EURO TEAMS WORK WITH FANS BEING MEMBERS AND FULL CONTROL OF OUR OWN CLUB. NEXT GAME 31ST SAME 3 HOURS B4 KICKOFF IBROX DOOR AND FLIERS/BANNERS. george

TO ALL REAL RANGERS FANS PLEASE CONTACT EVERYONE YOU KNOW AND THEIR FRIENDS EVEN FROM OTHER CLUBS. WE NEED SUPPORT TO SAVE OUR. O-U-R! CLUB FROM THESE PERSONS. {Ed001's Note - good luck mate - it is what is needed, someone to stand up and say enough is enough. }

1. ) George i`m letting some rangers sites know what`s happening 2morrow to try n drum up as much support as I can good luck mate.

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23 Aug 2013 01:03:55
Waving blank bits of paper around at your work to make it look like you're doing something! Classic wee skiver tactics.
Despite my opinions on his coaching I've defended Ally as a person on here. I Cannae be ar53d defending him any more. Ally, please button it, stop passing the buck, stop the diversional p15h and maybe use that blank paper to jot down some tactics/formations etc

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Well said baybear! As per usual I guess! Now he is threatening other players with this latest gesture of defiance! The guy is an absolute joke and for those who defend this man is stooping as low as he does!

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I wish Ally would take to betting on our games. please Ally?. george

Arrived Scotland 3am

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Come on Baybear. Got to say I find some of your posts on here both valuable and insightful, although somewhat contradictory. I will admit Ally has a bit of learning still to do, but to castigate him for his leadership in supporting one of his men (as yet innocent until proven) in the face of what may yet prove to be another SFA witch hunt takes reasoning, guts and shows loyalty to his men (All leadership qualities ), by showing the papers he was merely making a point, which, is perfectly valid, in an non confrontational way as to why a Rangers player has been singled out when the practice is widespread throughout the game. If he had come straight out and accused the SFA of bias he would be up on a charge of bringing the game into disrepute, which I believe was one of the SFA's goals to start with in this affair. On the subject of tactics/formations etc, how many formations can you have with only 11 to 12 fit players as was the case last season, when Ally has been able to field his team on the rare occasions this pre - season, I do not think many supporters would agree to your assessment of tactics/formations. As I said at the start of my post I usually find your posts in the main intelligent well thought out and informative, but have to say with your last post you have let your standards slip. Then again what would I know just my opinion.

Ozzie Al

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As George posted the other day Walter and Ally will not walk free when the truth eventually comes out.

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Another muppet speaking from his anus instead of thinking through what Ally is saying.

Ally has highlighted the fact that it is well known that football betting is endemic throughout Scottish Football.

He is asking the question why a Rangers player is being singled out; he is asking the question why bring it up now if it has been going on for the past seven years; he is asking the question who and why leaked this information to the SFA; he is asking the question why has Ladbrokes only mentioned one player.

Do you think this player would be so stupid to open a betting account in his own name and bet against his club. If he wished to bet against his club whilst playing with the view to alter the result, do you not think it would have been done surreptitiously.

Or is it the case that only this player is gambling and is perfectly happy that it is known that he is gambling, whilst the other players are gambling but hide the fact.

Also, we do not know that when or if he put on a bet that he was playing when the games occurred.

Innocent until proven guilty!

If there are hundreds of players or indeed thousands that gamble but only this player has been targeted, then you have to question the reason behind this - witchhunt? possibly.

Always keep an open mind until ALL the facts have been presented.

Matt Crozier

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@ 1 don't think he was threatening
anyone mate as if u listened he said
he would never reveal the names he had
billy h

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23 Aug 2013 13:13:56
Matt, do we think black is that stupid? Yes. You're speculating wildly that there are may be "thousands" of players doing the same. In scotland? didn't realise there are that many players in scotland! Must be a witch hunt. Yeah yeah. Yawn. The guy will be innocent until and unless proven guilty. doesn't stop him being charged though, that's all that's been reported on. Ally shouldn't be foaming at the mouth, if he believes black is innocent he should say he will support him whilst also supporting any investigation into such a serious matter. Or is this another case where rangers should hire their own "external" investigation team?

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23 Aug 2013 00:20:10
Dear George all you need to ask is one simple question

1/ Who name is on the deeds I believe Bomber knows and if still unsure go to www.landresgistryservice.co.uk/scotland they will give you the info for £75 I am quite sure you can raise this amount if you really want the truth but BEAR in mind the truth does hurt

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Dear anon

I have done WAY more than that if you care to turn up rather than attempt snide pseudointellectual P**H

If you want to know truth about you

george

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George you are cutting and pasting the celtic bampots jibber! Not very original at all mate! To be honest I think you are full of it! Time will tell though won't it!

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@2 u got that correct mate. The invisible man.

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23 Aug 2013 00:01:02
wonder if any others were betting against the club last season when you think of the lost games and draws throughout the season easy money to be made

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And there you have the answer as to why players are banned from betting. Speculation.

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22 Aug 2013 23:51:30
Keith Jackson said Craig Whyte was a billionaire.

Keith Jackson is saying Jim McColl is a billionaire.

Just saying.

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Op that should tell you something then, Keith Jackson talks sh!&e

JG

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Isn't Jim mccoll on a Sunday times rich list or something?

Just saying

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When Jackson was kissing Whyte's backside there were plenty who were saying it was nonsense. But they were ignored.

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McColl has definitely appeared on a number of rich lists unlike Whyte, Jackson of course cut and pasted information given to him by CW's PR team and obviously didn't bother to check it for accuracy.

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