Rangers Banter Archive November 22 2014

 

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22 Nov 2014 23:00:52
I am sick to my stomach with this thing that used to be the mighty Glasgow rangers please get Steve Clarke and Ian Ferguson in as quick as possible to sort the rabble of bodies out before we are really embarrassed by them across town in January like seriously does McCoist not realise that the wee 9 year old guy who applied for the bolton wanderers job would do better at least he shows passion for his club.

Please this can't go on anymore.
Very very disillusioned bear.

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22 Nov 2014 22:59:00
At what point do we start protesting against Mccoist? Seriously how bad does it need to get? 12 points 15 points? let's act now before it's too late.

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22 Nov 2014 21:06:17
How embarrassing for our once great club? Hearts are no great shakes but they have a couple of things we don't have, one is team spirit and the other a decent young manager.
When will we realise this current situation is untenable we have no desire no passion no ambition and currently not one member of our so called management team can hold there heads up and honestly say they are doing a good job.

My thoughts on Ally have been well documented and I have always said give him a chance HE is a legend HE is NOT a football manager I now feel he and the rest of the Dream team must move on for the sake of the club and support. You can't take away Ally's history with the club and his records he holds but the last 2 years have been a disaster, it is NOW time to move on and find someone who can sort this shambles of a team out and either shape up or ship out, we all want the best for our great club so somebody needs to make the call!
RR

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22 Nov 2014 20:09:26
I read with interest all the posts after today's result and the only surprise was that we expect[hope] for anything else, as we have the most dis-jointed organisation in history.
I have watched Ranger's teams that included sub standard players [ e. g. Jim Denny, Ally Scott, Billy Urquart and Gregor Stevens, to name a few. ] However, we are now at our lowest level of all time.
Our complete structure is wrong and need a total overhaul and being totally honest promotion this season will only cause further heartache.
I have argued against a second administration but maybe that is our only realistic option.
Whether it be murray, whyte, green, king or the easdales, please tell me who is not in for numero uno?
Ashley wants to line his own pockets, but if he could re-structure us into an efficient, what the hell.
My opinion of the man that picks the team has been stated so many times it's boring now.
A radical overhaul is needed immediately to save our club, but I do not see any way that a certain cup-tie in 2015 will be our ultimate humiliation.

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Sorry Ed, I made a couple of omissions in my post. 1. My comment on Ashley should have read efficient unit and 2. Re the 2015 cup-tie, it should read will not be our ultimate humiliation.

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Its the bit in your post about Ashley I concerned about.
"but if he could re-structure us into an efficient, what the hell",.
That stinks of the exact same crap we have done over the years,
Whyte, Green, Ashley to name but a few.
Just small point that i'm still trying to get my head around.
why is Ashley calling the shots at moment. he loaned money?? doesn't own club? doesn't have power to dictate what happens? so why is he suddenly kingpin??

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22 Nov 2014 19:14:38
We should remember that Rangers let slip a 15 point lead pre-admin and lost the league to Celtic. I agree McCoist is clueless but I do think the problems 'upstairs' must be sorted out urgently as it can only have a positive effect on the pitch. I also still think that Hearts will hit their own bad patch sooner or later. Still, dire stuff again today.

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Aye we did let 15 points slip UNDER MCCOIST! Should have been sacked back then

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Almost 3 years and on and many posts later mccoist is still clueless and out his depth in management at this level. The majority I'm sure want him out but the continuing shambles at board level covers up his incompetence. He needs to be sacked asap otherwise we have no chance of making up 9 points with him in charge

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22 Nov 2014 19:06:44
Total nonsense that you can't afford to pay ally off. Solution is to promote him and make him a director, they get paid every time.

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Nonsense? Really? They can hardly afford to turn the heating on FFS!

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Boiled my blood when some fans started singing super ally, Nothing about Him is super.

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@2, was it the Hearts fans!

I'm sure fans of every other club in the country are delighted with the job he is doing.

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22 Nov 2014 18:29:08
I was one of the thousand or so rangers fans who was at tynecastle this afternoon and although I agree our manager ally mccoist's tactics, starting line up & substitutions were yet again baffling to say the least there was no need for some so called rangersfans name calling of the rangers manager which I and many other rangers fans thought was absolutely disgusting & way over the top, it actually caused arguments amongst us, now I'm not on to defend our manager in the football management sense by any stretch of the imagination but he's a rangers legend and there's no way he deserves that sort of abuse, the greatest ranger of all time couldn't make it as a rangers manager, that happens to be life and this is happening to ally

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Legend? Get a grip. Top scorer but he is judged on the hard earned fan's money he takes each month without blinking an eye. The guy is feckin hopeless. FFS get him to F now. The excuses are dry.
Feckin laughing stock. Three weeks in a row utter pish.

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Ally ally ally. out out out

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John Grieg was voted greatest Ranger of all time not McCoist. Ally is fast losing respect from a lot of fans and the sooner he goes the better. It's shocking how poor we are under him and his long ball tactics are driving people away

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How you can defend Mccoist is beyond me. get McCall in NOW before it's too late to win this league

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Mccoist will never make a manager in a million years, if he happened to find himself out of a job tomorrow how many clubs in Britain would be offering him a job (none I bet) and he knows that. and as for McDowell and durrant they must be laughing themselves to sleep every night, knowing that they are getting the easiest wage they've probably earned in their lives. On tv today they had in my opinion two men who would make a great management duo in Davie weir and Stuart McCall, they would soon sort out the men from the boys and restore a bit more pride into what was once this PROUD club.

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22 Nov 2014 20:04:24
@3 The OP said the greatest Ranger never made it as manager(meaning Greig)and the same is happening to McCoist,that's how I read it.

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Royalblue:Davie Weir is no2 to the guy I'd love to be our new manager Mark Warburton at Brentford. Young team fast, attractive football, think they are 4th in Championship.

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Good shout gkk, I live down in England and I know that mark Warburton is getting great reviews, so his stock is rising by the day, and I heard him on the radio the other day praising Davie weir to the hilt for the work he's doing with Brentford. I would love Rangers to have a manager who could spot a player and develope him, I know its easier to do that down here but for some reason more difficult in Scotland. but yes an up and coming manager like Mark Warburton would be great, but will it ever happen.

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Royalblue:No chance mate, if he gets Brentford to the playoffs he's for the bigtime. Just wishful thinking on my part.

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McCoist deserves a lot worse than a bit of abuse, as l have said repeatedly none of the other crooks in the boardroom could have got away with what they have but for McCoist, he alone is responsible for dividing the supporters, he has lied from day one about everything, as far as l'm concerned he is no legend to the once great Rangers but an invaluable part of sevco or whatever they are called, and like sevco he is an embarrassment to Rangers in particular and to football in general. The sooner he is gone the sooner Rangers can truly rebuild, the crooks won't last long without the vile McCoist spewing out his WATP rhetoric to drive sales up so they (and he) can be paid exorbitant wages for dragging Rangers through every gutter and all at the expense of the club and the supporters he says he loves!

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22 Nov 2014 17:49:57
Once again deadhead Mcoist comes up with a team selection you could only dream up he has no tactical ability and no game plan and just does not have the brains to be a manager and has got us into a position that if we don't watch out we won't even make second because that team has no game plan no confidence all because he is clueless if any body thinks we are going to win all our games under him please think again ALLY YOU ARE A CLOWN WHO WILL CLING ON AS LONG AS YOUR EGO AND YOUR PAY PACKET IS THERE EVERY WEEK FOR GODS SAKE BE A MAN AND RESIGN YOU ARE AN EMBARRASMENT TO OUR CLUB AND TO YOURSELVE YOU ARE NOT A MANAGER AND NEVER WILL BE PLEASE GO. GO. GO

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Don't know what's worse the turmoil in the boardroom or the rubbish on the park. The tactics, formation and play is shocking and I'm amazed that someone who played at the highest level can be so clueless. Ally relied on good service when he played you would think the least he could do is try and give the current strikers some sort of service other than a punt up the park

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22 Nov 2014 17:19:24
think we can forget it now might as well go in to admin and take the point deduction and start again- A poll ed???

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{Ed001's Note - I will do that for you mate.}

Is your opinion due to today's result or the long running backroom problems? If it is because of the football result, you do realise that there will be a play off at the end of the season. If you think the league has gone, surely it makes sense to keep pushing to ensure runners up spot at least. There have been league titles won with far more than 9 points deficit too. Surely people are not giving up on promotion in November.

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Cullin72 I think (maybe wrong) mullad is meaning may be the fact that everyone is now starting to open their eyes and see what is really going on at our club.
No more blind loyalty. follow follow,, its time to, act. Not keep on going down the same old road. leading nowhere.

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22 Nov 2014 17:28:47
when will these so called owners of rangers start earning there wage and make sum decisions about our club they are all to afraid to sack ally and his coaches if u can call them that time to go the lot them and take the players they signed with them ally bothered that smith got sent off he should be no were near the team in first place so blame yourself ally was totally baffled with taking off miller and putting Forster on we needed a goal Boyd comes on far to late was fuming when lewis went off for Boyd mccoist was playing for the draw all day long one positive thing not down to the manager 3 4 times in first half law got down right side of midfield and put good crosses in just no one there to finish them maybe he should be played out wide in future seemed to be able to get past his man

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22 Nov 2014 16:36:36
I have bitten my tongue for far too long in regards to poor performances and tactics. Foster is mince, he only ever played well for us in a few champions league games in his first spell and has given us nothing since but I am getting side tracked back to today.

McGregor is never a right back. McCoist is not being fair to him by playing him out of position. I was raging at the start of the year when he started him a right back. A new player who has never been close to a club the size of Rangers you want to make his transition as easy as possible but no we play him at out of position at right back so any nerves he already has are multiplied by 10. It could have ruined the guy's Rangers career before it even started but in his defence he battled back and has been our best centre half. So what do we do for our biggest game of season. Move our best centre half to a position he is not comfortable in. Total madness.
We have a number of midfielders who could have played today but no we pick a left back to play midfield. Again crazy! (even if you absolutely had to play smith and Wallace, surely it would make more sense to play the more attack minded Wallace in the midfield and smith at the back). Whether Smith deserved a red or not is debatable but the fact is he was giving us nothing before the send off. In fact before the red he had given the ball away several times already or had hardly found one of our own with a pass.
Then, as wee bill in a post below had said, we bring on foster for miller. WTF! I could understand the thinking behind possibly deciding to try tightening things up and maybe holding for a draw but Foster is not a good enough defender to justify that thought, wasted substitution, again madness.
We need a goal so we bring on Boyd (too late on may I add) you would think for Daly, straight swap but no we take McLeod off for Boyd leaving us with 2 static centre forwards. Hello, earth to Rangers coaching staff!!
I try every week to understand some of the thinking behind our tactical decisions and I honestly try and see things through the eyes of those in the dug out and just can't for the live of me work it out.
Another thing can anyone please, please, tell me why we put every one in our box when defending corners? It absolutely does my nut in. Miller does nothing when defending corners anyway so surely it makes more sense leaving him on half way. He can hold the ball up and would at least give us an out when we cleared the lines rather than the ball being cleared straight back to the opposition unopposed. This way of defending corners does not work for us and just adds more pressure so surely we could try changing it.
Sorry for the rant lads but it has been building up since we played a holding midfielder to protect the back 4 when playing away to Forfar in a Monday night game last year.

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22 Nov 2014 17:33:01
We have imposters at boardroom level who don't know what the feck they are doing and the same at team coaching level.
McCoist is clinging on as he will not get another job in football which pays him a tenth of what he takes from our once great club. Sad but real fans could not give two fecks anymore.
Crowds will be below 20,000 soon.
Good.
We are NOT the people.

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Bobsta 73 you have nailed it with that post. take a bow. I'm honestly up for getting protests sorted to get Mccoist out before it's too late

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22 Nov 2014 23:35:59
Well said Bobsta!

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22 Nov 2014 16:07:38
Walter Smith didn't do McCoist any favours the other night at this charity dinner or whatever it was, ok the auld pals act dictates that he's got to stand up for him in public, and you would expect no less from Mr Smith, but in private I'm hoping he told him to walk away and do the sensible thing, for himself and for Rangers.

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Ally doesn't do Ally any favours through his inept management. Unless he does the decent thing and walks then we can forget ever challenging Celtic.

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22 Nov 2014 14:44:14
At least we Seen fiht from the players today. why do spl refs keep refereeing championship games?

9 points isn't too much

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22 Nov 2014 16:12:55
Is there any manoeuvre Ally can use to put off the semi, like bombscare Mohsni being away at the Africa cup??

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What we saw was a lump up the park to Daly in the hope of getting a knock on. Predictable tactics from a woeful mamager

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22 Nov 2014 15:05:55
That game was more brutal than a clockwork orange.

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22 Nov 2014 15:50:04
No way our inept coaching staff will go. can't afford to sack them, too stubborn and selfish to chuck it.
Thought at one point they were contemplating phoning Walter.
A disgrace on and off the park over the last three years.
League cup semi against that mob from across the city. Feckin dreading it.

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22 Nov 2014 14:49:50
if I was to ask any two players to pull me out of a deep hole, the last two players would be S. smith and I. black. those two alone smith especialy have in my opinion contributed nothing to rangers since being signed. Black nips in with the occasional good goal when the gmes won, smith on the other hand is rank rotten. realy can't believe he thought Smith would save his ass.
McCoist as a player legend. can't continue as manager, even though the sending off did change the game but too many exp players let the team down today.

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Its all been said to death man, but enough Ally come on? In his defence though we had five non - triers on the park, MacLeod was chalk white when he came onto the pitch. Not his type of game with the tackles, but he was hiding. I still think we'll win it but Ally has to go, I think he'll chuck it.

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22 Nov 2014 15:21:13
It's just been unreal these past couple of years, it seems no matter who we sign they r as bad or worse than the one before, today was a joke against an average team, I have been looking at the cups the past couple of years hoping we would avoid Celtic and would rather take a fighting defeat against STJohnstone than having to face them, Who wants to get thumped 5 or 6-0 by them in the semis? Thanks so much to the people who put us in this position as Rangers should never want to avoid anyone but there you are. Looking ahead who do we fancy for the play offs? Motherwell? Probably, Ross County? St Mirren? Difficult to know if we should be confident.

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In order to get any of these teams we would first probably need to beat Hibs and judging by the score line earlier this season and Ally's record in the big games I wouldn't even be confident of facing an SPL side

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22 Nov 2014 14:44:17
McGregor right back, Mohsni in the middle, Smith left wing, McLeod right wing, then Foster replaces Miller and Boyd replaces McLeod. And of course dumb and dumber in the midfield.
TAKE a bow Ally THE MASTER TACTICIAN ( my ar*e ) like the Andrea Bocelli song
"time tosay goodbye "

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Weebill. you summed it up perfectly mate. mc coist stood on the touchline for the whole game with arms folded. he canny change a game, he canny motivate the players. he's tactically naive. he talks p, h. he's got to go and go now. i'm nearly 60 years old and i never thought i'd be rambling like this against the manager of the team i love. but enough is enough

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It seems Ally will never learn. Smith has done next to nothing since signing and isn't a left midfielder. That team was picked to get a draw, the substitution of Foster for Miller was so negative. Ally is more negative than Walter. We are a punt up the park team with no creativity. More sad and painful times ahead if this guy is left in charge

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22 Nov 2014 14:17:17
Looks like we are going 9pts behind a very mediocre hearts team. how much longer are we going to have to suffer this complete person of a mangers inept team selections and tactics. ok it's no his fault smith got sent off but he shouldn't even be a Rangers player never mind in the team. canny believe we will have to go through the embarrassment of the play offs. get him sacked now and get in alex Neil to save our season

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Bigcol1872: Not so sure I would call the play offs an embarrassment, yes we could probably ideally never envisaged that but with Hearts in the league it was always going to be difficult, Hearts are not great but we just don't seem to have the fluidity that they have, Hibs although they can produce the odd result like at Ibrox have shown to be worse than most teams in the league.
The main thing is to get up and we'll take that through the play offs if that is what must be looking at how poor we have been for most of the season.

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22 Nov 2014 17:32:22
Got a funny feeling griffiths or stokes will be back to hibs on loan before the end of the season.

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22 Nov 2014 12:39:26
My prediction for today. win, lose or draw McCoist will be slagged to death on here later.

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22 Nov 2014 14:33:10
your statement s correct and rightly so. His team selection, tactics and substitutions were appalling. He has to go!

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Rightly so another embarrassing show of inept management

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He deserves it, never a manager sack the clueless guy NOW.

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I've tried my best to back McCoist but to play two left backs against Hearts today and leave out Templeton in a match that he was destined to shine in is criminal.

We're seeing the worst of Rangers and sad to say, we've got to make changes at management and coaching level. Rangers fans can only take so much and we've now crossed the line. A dark day for our club and history will recall it.

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Tactical mastermind McCoist does it again.

The sad thing is the result is not in the least bit surprising. Was anybody really surprised?

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Yes Naz, I was. We saw what playing two left backs against Hibs did to us. Why repeat it? If I was manager, which I'm not, I would have held onto Barry McKay. We should have attacked Hearts from the first minute of play and not set out a defensive formation.

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Kfraser

I think you should issue a public apology to the people on here who you had a go at for wanting Ally sacked. You defended the indefensible for months and it's now time for you to apologise

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@ Stewie, I don't think an apology is required on my side as much a statement of amazement. I've said before that I was against the culture of the lack of youth policy.

I've both backed McCoist and not on his strategy in the past and admit I hoped he'd come good as a manager. I just can't see it anymore and if the anti Ally brigade were right before, I do acknowledge that point. A great pity as he's a hell of a likeable guy and Rangers to the core.

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Kfraser: There isn't another man on the planet any true Rangers man would love to see be a great Rangers manager than Ally McCoist. I wouldn't say you owe anybody an apology for wanting him to succeed, however I think he's had he's chance, and he's taken us as far as he can.

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Fair enough but I am not even sure he is a nice guy. This man has taken a fortune out of the club and comes out with stupid statements about not reading his contract and not knowing how much he earned. He has treated the supporters with contempt. Not the actions of a nice guy

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22 Nov 2014 12:09:06
That's my bet ruined then. Moshni's playing today. I wish I'd known that before I put my money on Rangers winning. At least Daly is in for Boyd but Smith playing too and no room for Templeton and Aird other than on the bench.

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Mohsni, most important game of the season God give us strength.

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22 Nov 2014 12:55:04
C, Mon the Gers, tora tora tora!

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Smith sent off, just waiting for black to join and get pumped.

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22 Nov 2014 13:25:15
Anyone else wonder if Ashley even knows Rangers are playing just now?, smith off, but here have dominated, stupid tackle but Patterson rolled around as if he been shot, didn't get touched, wxxxxr

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Tommy come on it was a red card lucky it wasn't down to 7 miller Boyd and black should have had reds be honest

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@5 correct mate, Miller defo should have walked. Like the name BTW

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Very ironic post with the Tora Tora Tora comment as Smith committed footballing suicide in the 20th minute

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22 Nov 2014 10:14:36
I'm not one for ifs and buts myself, but honestly we should have been four up at the break in the first game at Ibrox.
Ok it was a while now and we might be rotten, but they're not much better, for me Boyd has not recovered from missing those sitters in that game. I think his season would have been different if he got off to a flyer that day.
But as they say IF yir granny had b**s she'd be yir granda.
I still think we'll do them 2-0.

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22 Nov 2014 08:26:03
I beleave Craig Whyte is the innocent victim in this whole charade. Here is a man who was honest enough to admit it was the misfortunes of rangers football club he was trying to turn round.Not like chuckles green who started all the kumpony/cloob nonsense.I think it's this fella who should be starting legal proceedings as he was the one who was truly duped,only then will he have any chance of retriving the pound he was conned out of.

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22 Nov 2014 09:45:18
So Mr Windbag Lawell says he wouldn't give Rangers a hand up to the Premier League, a) I wouldn't want this as it wouldn't be right b) Defo wouldn't dirty my hands accepting it from him. Why do reporters ask certain people nonsensical questions, what else would he say? Having said that, knowing him he probably brought the subject up himself, wouldn't surprise me.

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Haha very good thommy. you should have your own show👏👏

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You beat me to it Bigcol, his talent is wasted on here.

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Gkk, haha he's nearly as funny as smith and moshni playing in the most important game of season today.

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21 Nov 2014 22:20:34
A few year back following Rangers would've been called glory hunting by others nowadays following Rangers is known as loyalty that every bear possesess.
C'mon the Rangers!
r. f

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22 Nov 2014 08:17:59
If a team is overspending, bringing in higher quality players than it can afford with a wage bill about 10x what other clubs have just to win lower division football trophys. You could still call that glory hunting.(it's hardly a level playing field now is it?)

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@1 A season ticket at say alloa will be about two and sixpence my season ticket cost £400 so I want to watch a better class of player than they have at alloa, simple.

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22 Nov 2014 10:22:13
If the board want to pay average players those sort of wages that's up to them I'm sure us fans wouldn't pay some the average wage winning lower divisions glory hunting get a grip! these players couldn't lace the 9 in a row players boots.
c'mon the Rangers! its called loyalty
r. f

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@1 Fair point mate, but overspending has been the Rangers way for a long time, hence the state we are in. Right now there is no glory to hunt, except from winning this league and beating Selic in the cup. A wee bit a glory there maybe.

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22 Nov 2014 12:58:34
Not questioning your loyalty JF or anyone else on this site. All I'm saying is that it's easy to support a team when it's winning. A true gauge for fans loyalty is when results are not going your way constantly. For example, if rangers make it through to the end of the season there is going to be a massive player cutback in the squad regardless of which division we're in. If the results start going against us regularly then we will see the hardcore loyal section of fans.

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