Rangers Banter Archive May 22 2013

22 May 2013 16:46:30
The only thing signing people is going to do is make our financial state worse if we let our high earners go like Ian black Alexander cause they are all crap

Niel Alexandftrer stood by us in our hour of need. We have been spoid for years with goalies From Woods onwards. The defence last year was very suspect if NA had also deparred we would have been in a worse state.

Get of Blacks back, he puts in so much hard work, breaking up other teams play in midfield, tracking back etc, now he's had a season at Ibrox he will get even better,

He just could not get any worse. terrible football player
hope there's some painting and decorating for him if things don't improve
i, ll come on here and apologize if i'm wrong. Les

22 May 2013 15:14:15
The RST seem to be reacting to the share holder and proxy vote idea with the publication today of the rules and a form to be filled in to allow them to use shares in a block vote. Baybear from small acorns grows the mighty Oak! So well done perhaps we have started something that will be hard to stop! Eastbear.

Still the problem of Green, Ahmad and Blue Pitch lingers though. Things need to be handled very delicately are the RST the men for the job

Eastbear- indeed mate, you can only do what you can. I've had correspondence from them and they seem to want what we want. Just waiting on permission to post their responses to my emails. Asked out of courtesy.
@1 agree, it is delicate and only time will tell if they are the men for the job. Happy that they seem to be responding to the supporters concerns though. I repeat again though, the only real way to ensure your voice is heard is to become part of the RST. They are only as effective as their members and we can make them what we want them to be if we're willing to join the movement.

In my opinion Green, Ahmad and Blue Pitch all want to sell.
The trick is for them to sell a sizeable minority to a fans proxy.
We also need to keep Smith, McCoist and Murray on board.
No Easdales either.

@3/ And there's the problem. Green backs the easedales apparently.

@4/
Your right.
And to counter this they can be vetted.
A bit of investigative journalism perhaps.

@5/ They can be vetted all day but if Green wants to sell to them there's nothing anyone can do. As for the fit and proper nonsense, one would pass it for sure.

@6/
I follow what you are saying.
However I don't think Green will be bothered too much if the Easdale's don't get his shares. He just wants to take his profit and high-tail it out.

The mood amongst Rangers fans is that we only want people on the board who we know about and who we believe will act straightforwardly.

Too much publicity may put the Easdale's off and Green could perhaps be persuaded to sell to someone else to take a bit of any heat, that may be coming his way, off.

@7/ Your forgetting one thing, Green has a stake in EVERY other income stream into Ibrox. He will not let this go cheaply, he will be around for a long time yet.

@7/
Green wants to go and we want him gone.

22 May 2013 12:15:19
Personally I don't think any of the names being touted will sign with the exception of Nicky Clark, who let's face it is on peanuts at QOS

Rangers simply can't afford to pay Premier Wages, lost millions this season and now people think the club is going to increase the wage bill by signing 5 or 6 players from SPL! I don't think so!

Remember Goian and Bocanegra are about to return from loan!, if they can't be moved on again right away that is a huge drain on the club!

Dont hold your breath for these signings!

I think QOS are due a development fee for Clark as well. Not a lot of money but is it classed as buying him?

Remember we lost about 20 first team players before the season started, so I don't think our wage bill is that big. If we punt Goian and Bocanegra, we'll still be well within our budget. Pete

Sorry no (2)"our wage bill is not that big"?
Its massive for the division we just stuttered through?
Did you miss the headlines, statments, saying we running on a monthly budget that is in the negative?
We need to cut wages, not add to them? are we so blinded that the fact no accounts have yet been produced means nothing?
Oh my god! its another year without European Football, where we have the chance to add money for better players etc instead we go further into debt signing more players on £5000 a week god. there definitely no accountants on our board or they'd be crapping themselves at this farce.

I hope he doesn't sign any of these 30 year olds and journeymen, its ridiculous to even think about signing players like these, what is the long term goal? another year of watching overpaid dross play dire football badly? how can this be seen as taking us forward? is any of it true or more hype and lies to sell season tickets? either way McCoist has proved yet again that Rangers are not his primary interest, he has got to go.

22 May 2013 21:37:56
ok don't see how u can have a go at the (2) poster as we have had our budget cut by a lot with all the lads leaving the club and there was only 7 players at training before ally put this team together and they were not all top earners at the club rangers also get season ticket / tv money and sponser witch will probably cover the budget of wages yes we need to cut down still because the league we are in that doesn't mean we are paying boys above our budget
you will probably find when we say we can't pay spl wages it means the likes of 8k-12k p/w for players maybe more like what we done before they boys that come in will be on about 4k-6k pw witch will be within our budget

#3 our financial year only ends on 30th June its only after that will you see year end accounts
We had the interim accounts and that's why we know we were losing 1m per month

22 May 2013 11:49:38
How can scottish football compete when the likes of west brom are getting nearly 50milliom for 10 televised games. Sky are killing off smaller countriws by giving so much to the epl.

Totally agree. could this not
be taken to court as a form
of discrimanation?. just a
thought
billy h

How the hell is it discrimination?

Unfortunately Sky are simply responding to demand. The product in Scotland is poor and nobody outside Scotland is interested in it. Chr15t! we're barely interested in it ourselves!

1) won't they just say it reflects the viewing figures?

Blueice

How can a country of 5 million compete with a country of 55 million? It can't, and by trying to, Rangers nearly went out of business. The financial fair-play rules will kick in soon enough and a lot of the clubs in England will need to cut their cloth accordingly. We should stop trying to match them and focus on our own business instead. Pete

Number 5) - Croatia ranked no 4 on FIFA's list. Three places above England, population 4.5 million. Just thought I would say.

@2 oxford dictionary discrimination
Treating something, someone
different. so if t. v company's
regard Scottish football as
different from english football
is this not discrimination?
billy h

@5 English clubs have already found a way round it so don't hold your breath.

If a scottish club won the champions league. Would they even receive 50million from uefa / tv deals. Excluding gate recepits.

Yes Croatia are rated there but there league is not that good its the players who leave who make it big, Celtic and Rangers (at the time) done far better than Croatia Zagreb in Europe.

22 May 2013 17:14:04
@7: you're being disingenuous with what you claim is the definition. Discrimination is the unjust or prejudicial treatment of someone or something. The tv companies aren't treating Scottish football in an unjust way - they have justification for spending much more on a better product. There is no prejudice involved - the potential audience, advertising revenue and exposure, because it's a superior product, is why they pay more for English football. It's not discrimination.

@ 11 and the reason its a
better product to them.
is because they discriminate
against Scottish football and
plough billions into english
football enabling them to
attract a better player
therefore making it a better
product
billy h

@12: it's not discrimination, though. They pay for a better product. Why can't you see that there's no prejudice or unjust treatment?! Do you really think that they should pay those figures for Scottish football, a vastly inferior product? Are you in the habit of paying way over the odds for inferior products? If so, you must have several screws loose.

Now you'll be accusing me of discrimination.

1903

@12: go and look up what discrimination means - properly this time - and check out typical examples of it like racism, sexism etc. Is the situation with the TV deals for Scottish football the same?

The answer to the Sky money don't buy it if u live in Scotland it is a fact that they make more money from some Scottish games than some of the so called EPL big teams who get the 60mil
Cheers
Not in my name

@13 if you were being paid
less than a workmate for
doing same job would you
not feel you were being
discriminated against.
Also when having a debate
on here why do people
resort to saying things like
"a screw loose"

But Croatia have some good players that all play in the best leagues? Pete

It is discrimination and here is why. We the Scottish nation produce more viewers than Denmark, Sweden and Norway, we produce a far higher revenue for Sky than those countries yet we get paid a pittance in comparison to them? why you may ask? the answer is simple Sky takes our money and uses it to prop up the English leagues, so in my eyes that is discrimination.

I have railed for a long time against this injustice which starves every Scottish Club of much needed revenue, when I tried to discuss on Clyde the dafties dismissed it due to the thorough investigation that was done! Sure and that investigation was more than 10 years old which in technology circles is prehistoric, people are streaming the games from their phones nowadays there is no need for the huge infrastructure that used to be required. Scottish Sky revenue should be spent on the Scottish game for the betterment of all our teams, the EPL and it's lower leagues are rich enough. Gbhoy.

@18 well said mate
billy h

@16: if your workmate was obviously doing a far better job than you and offering a much better service/product would you expect to be paid the same? Would you still claim it was discrimination? If so, you do indeed have a screw loose.

Furthermore, if there was a case for discriminiation, don't you think it would have been explored by the SFA/SPL etc.?

1903

What our S. F. A & S. P. L
who couldn't agree on
the colour of sh**e
billy h

22 May 2013 11:21:35
great to see story in express today-
Nicky Clark is coming to the rangers, even after getting better offers from other clubs.

lets also get experienced Scottish defender also.
mtan
the worst is over

The worst is over? Are you serious mate.

Said it before and i'll say it again. the light at the end of the tunnel, is a train heading for cloud cuckoo land. shammy

22 May 2013 10:14:09
Andy Mitchell pens new one year deal with Rangers.

Why a one year deal for such a promising young player

@1 have to disagree very average player who would get found out as we progress up the leagues.

Maybe that's all he was prepared to sign?

22 May 2013 09:33:28
The Boardroom War - which is being played out so publicly to huge embarrassment for the Club as well as individuals - can only be resolved by one man. Dave King.

I don't care about all the posters on here who will start criticising King's tax affairs in South Africa, the justification is in the old saying "Better the Devil You Know"! Would you prefer the Easdales who unlike King have served time for their tax indiscretions?

During SDM's reign, King put in £20M+ of his OWN money. No one else did that including the great SDM himself. During his time as a Director! his actios never once brought the club in to disrepute with the authorities or anyone else. King is a genuine supporter. King has no ambitions for control fuelled by ego - it is only to preserve and protect a footballing institution which he grew up supporting over 50 years ago in the tough streets of Castlemilk.

I only hope King is monitoring this soap-opera and can time his move to stop the Green/Ahmad shares transfer to Eadales going trough. If he does not come though, I for one believe our club is heading for very, very dark places and the road to recovery will suddenly become far longer than we ever expected.

King is the only one with his own financial resource to rescue the club. McColl will never write a cheque. And Paul Murray can't write a cheque. Who else is there that we can actually say we know and trust?

King needs OUR support however to force the share price down. That is the only "ace" we control. So please, please, please DO NOT RENEW / BUY SEASON TICKETS. If we do, then only one side loses - US!

SPM

What if King does come in then is found guilty in his tax cases in south Africa?

22 May 2013 10:33:57
Oh dear 'the great SDM'? The man who was duped by Craig Whyte. LOL

Didn't read past that. As for Dave King putting in his own money do a few checks on how much he took out. Millions. And check up on his out of court settlement in SA.

I agree we should not renew ST as a protest but as we all know. We will hold out till a fornight before the season starts, there will be a glimmer of hope and we will all reluctantly renew
I do think the supporters groups need to set an example and make a call for supprters not to renew until these Directors running our club into the ground are ousted. It disgusts me to see the way Rangers are being dragged through the gutter. : (
Coisty09

An idea could be having king/ mccoll / murray going in with an equal share, good men who would have rangers best interests at heart, not their own, which seems to be happenibg just now!

One problem is Green and Ahmad. They can sell their shares to who ever they like. They also seem to have the mysterious Blue Pitch holdings on their side

To SA Post 2 - my reference to "the great SDM" was written with tongue stuck firmly in cheek! Try reading things more clearly!

SPM

Dave King may or may not be the man to finally save us, but very few if any people at boardroom level currently at Rangers are intereted in us other than for their own profit, we must show these people that we will not tolerate this. We must not renew our STs until this is cleared up, who is to say that Rangers will still be running at Christmas even? we're alreadt losig £1m a month, buying a ST doesn't secure Rangers it merely lines the pockets of the very people that are destroying our great club. The time has come to back Rangers Football Club not Sevco or whatever else they call their company, without us they have no company. If a public statement was released saying that collectively we will not renew STs and will boycott all Rangers merchandise, as soon as they see a drop in profits these money men will get out. Then we have to hope for the best. again, but at least the new owners will know that we won't stand for any nonense.

King didn't put 20M of his own money - he put 20M of the South Africans Tax Mans money into rangers.

22 May 2013 08:35:49
Just wanted to get this off my chest! Why do people on this site continue to rant about who owns Ibrox and Murray Park? What's happening with my season ticket money? Who's running this and that?

I'll give you a scenario. The Cineworld Cinema in Glasgow allows you to pay a monthly subscription which allows you to get unlimited movies for your monthly fee ok? This is a SERVICE provided by that company. OK? With me so far?. Good!

Rangers, whether we like it or not, are a company. A company who provide a SERVICE. That SERVICE being the football match that we pay our money for. Still with me?

What do you think the chances of people who pay a monthly subscription mentioned above are, of people walking into Cineworld or joining a forum online and demanding to know who owns the building, what's happening with the money they pay or who is running the company?. Absolutely none!

You pay for a service and that is exactly what you pay for! Nothing else. Your season ticket money allows you entry to 18 games a season. As long as those games are provided then you have absolutely nothing to complain about other than the quality on the field and if you don't like what you're watching, don't buy a ticket. It's really quite simple.

So what your doing is making excuses for the way the club is being run and accepting it as ok? And your saying supporters don't have a right to ask the questions about ownership etc after what they have been through.

What an personic post.

Wow mate what a ridiculous post for a fan of any club to make never mind the rollercoaster we've been on! you just get your cineworld season ticket and stay away its people like you that make me want to vomit. #boltyarocket!

You talk some amount of rubbish. Cineworld isn't an institution like Rangers who have played @ Ibrox for over 100 years.
I think you should use your Cineworld ticket on matchdays rather than go to Ibrox

Some have shares and own the club mate.

@1) At no point did I say it was OK. I am merely stating that with no other company would people demand to see where there money is going but because it's a football club then they think they have a right.

@2) How exactly is it rediculous? You're exactly the type of imbecile that make supporters of every othe club hate us! Anybody disagrees with anything and you among others resort to insults.

@3) Is there still football being played at ibrox? You wouldn't know from all the pissing and moaning on here. Season ticket gets you into games that's all. Nothing more or less. Rangers are still playing football and I will support them wherever they may play. If at any point I am not happy with the style of football or the SERVICE being provided then I won't go. Simple.

@4) I understand people have shares but anybody who buys shares in a football club should not expect to make any money back on them. I'm not buying into this "we own the club" nonsense. Maybe in the conventional business sense we would but it is a football club. Do you really think these business men who have injected millions really care what investing fans think? The minute the money dries up from season tickets or we keep talking about marching here and there to make ourselves heard, what's to stop the owners from deciding they've had enough, closing the club and selling the assets?

Then we will need to watch from the pavements

@bigbear1873 it's muppets like you that these conmen love you should change your name to gullible ger 1873 because aslong as there's fans like yourself then we'll never get rid of them

Theber82 How does not caring where my money goes when I buy a product or service make me gullible? As long as I receive that product or service then I am happy.

@8 awrite mate gullible is a bit strong stupid if more fitting cause when I get sold a sh*t product it's straight back to the shop for a refund a don't go buying more sh*te fae the same place