Rangers Banter Archive December 22 2013

22 Dec 2013 19:46:02
Thought this piece in the record sums it up well that we are unloved as fans by money men so they need to realise soon that they will have NOTHING to invest it and cream off if the fans walk away:

REMEMBER when the people who ran football did it because they actually cared about it?

When it was about what they could put into it, not what they could take out of it?

Now? Has there ever been a week when emotional attachment to a club has seemed more futile?

Tens of thousands of Rangers fans express their dissatisfaction with a director whose financial stewardship has been shambolic.

Tens of thousands more Cardiff City fans protest the impending sacking of their messianic manager Malky Mackay.

Yet their cries are like whispers in a hurricane.

Drowned out by faceless hedge funds, institutions and egomaniacal billionaires from the other side of the planet. It all feels so pointless.

Why bother pouring your heart into something you’ve been brought up to love when the guy who’ll make the decisions doesn’t give a toss whether it’s football or futons, as long as he makes a few quid?

That’s all you need to know from the AGM at Ibrox. That 100 per cent of the people whose loyalty kept the club alive only have 12 per cent of a say.

And a man reviled by almost an entire support can still garner 65 per cent approval for re-election.

The game at its corporate worst.

Same in Cardiff, where the whims of Vincent Tan have removed sanity from the club’s operations.

A man who bought a club in the Championship because it was a cheaper way to get to the Premier League’s money than actually buying straight in.

And now that he’s there? King of the world, he is.

b******* to the guy who got him there. The ultimatum put to Mackay of ‘quit or be fired’ was yet another example of the lunacy engulfing the game at a level where money has turned brains to yoghurt.

Building? Continuity? Forget it. If you don’t achieve a miracle, and do it yesterday, you’re a goner.

RTID Merry Xmas missing the Old Firm New Year Derby. george

George can you tell me why the rebels didn't put there money in when they had the chance I think if you look at how many shares mcoll and murray have no wonder they didn't get the support

Couldn't have put it better myself George. The sooner our own wake up to the situation we find ourselves in the better.

Cant arue on shares bought or not bought issue mate

I am focusing now on how we can unite to STRIKE with a HOLD on our season ticket purchase

This way we are saying we WILL invest when we are listened to an organised strike agreeing to full purchase of seasons AFTER a meeting with fans reps and board with conditions adhered to

!. Stockbridge out.

2. Stadium guarantee of no sale leaseback

3. 1p shares for the fans first

That would be a start with maybe a fans rep on the board

george

Very well put George, you pays your money, what do you get. a sham, such is life

Why is it that nobody is pickng up on the fact that the "rebels" didn't do anything to increase their shareholding prior to the AGM. The Easdales were out buying up all the shares they could get their hands on and yet the "billionaire" and his puppet team did nothing. Please don't be confused into thinking these guys are in it for Rangers, they are in it for themselves and the profile they can get from it. Murray has been trying since he was kicked out to get back in again, and still there are fans out there who actually listen to the tripe he talks and they believe him, my god, think for yourselves for once. This is a culmination of many many things and until the fans unite and stand up then nothing will happen. Forget the trust, the assembly, why not just Rangers Fans United, but that will never happen as you have too many people who have delusions of grandeur!

Wer this Kieron prior guy these days he's went very quiet after saying he's willing to buy more shares

N1 mccoll and murray did get the support it was just that bigger shareholders than the rangers support didn't want them on the board these guys were willing to work for free I wonder why the board didn't take up the offer

George, it will be a long and costly venture to get the club back into the hands of supporters, even the millionaire ones. The rebels weren't allowed to play on a level playing field against opponents who paid 1p for shares. It may be worthwhile reading this
http://www.thefootballlife.co.uk/post/70620598603/the-rangers-agm
You might not agree with all of it but it makes good points

22 Dec 2013 18:24:54
George here

Have been thinking and reading opinions plus watching the board and requisitioners reactions in statements since the meeting.

So

Regardless of trusting current or any future board one thing strikes me as undeniable, the board in its current shape do not care about he fans and it would also appear to me the future safety of Rangers financially.

Two simple reasons

Backing Stockbridge is 100% wrong no arguements every Rangers fan and any competent minded businessman should want him out

Refusing an olive branch from Mr King and the unoubted financial security he guarantees Rangers FC is frankly insane, why would any board ever refuse a guy offering serious financial help and a wealth of business experience. He is also a perfect way to
show us fans they do actually mean to save Rangers financially plus build for the future

These 2 simple FACTS are my reasons for suggesting the we as a whole united support have to refuse any season ticket money until listened to.

Understand this just because we refuse to pay will NOT put us in Administration it is simply the equivalent to a strike that any UNION would do now against their "employer/opposition". Starving them financially will instantly lead to investors putting pressure on them to listen, the investors will see their money going down the drain. We can as one pay the seasons at a later date say a month into the season AFTER fans demands are listened to.

This is the ONLY way we have left to save our club from the proposed share dillution and 1p gifts offered in Resolutions 9/10

I first noticed these resolutions when the financial expert Keiron Prior stated they were wrong and completely against good business practice regards Rangers FC.

I have looked into this in detai and it is exactly as Prior says, totally about free hand outs to people that the board will most likely be involved with 3500% instant win financially.

This would mean even more millions poring out of Rangers NOT money being put into Rangers. Same as the IPO.

I really hope that between now and the issue of season ticket demands we can unite via people like Craig ans SoS plus ALL the fans groups to agree no breaking ranks in the season purchases it is this unity that can make us strong and make us listened to.

I was trying to move forward and give Wallace a chance but the ignoring of fans wishes and Somers inane comments about fans support when it is clear as day they do not have fans support means my opinion is yet again we are going to be ignored yet feted as saviours at season ticket $$$$$ time and likely thrown some carrot or other to convince us we should invest and trust them.

For once I think they will not have the support of Ally as there is no way he will accept players being sold and no money to improve side he depends on that to get us to SPFL as I think he realises he was found wanting last season and that could well happen again next year he will no want to risk that and he out a job anyway. Ally is a crafty person we have discovered that, he knows that if he was to pull his support seasons will not sell. He actually could be the person after all the bickering and slagging to unite the fans about not paying seasons. Don't see it happening BUT I didn't see his proxy vote thing happening either.

Opinions?

RTIS and Merry Xmas. george

For what it's worth George my opinion is that they know exactly what they're doing. Every move, every statement is planned. We should've acted earlier but we didn't. We are now in a position where we as fans are being forced into conflict with each other. There are those of us (the majority) who will never boycott no matter what. There are others who have already started their boycott by seeing the regime for what it was and not renewing. We are labeled the doom mongers and timmy in disguise. As long as there is a majority who wait for others to do something and deny the truth that is before their very eyes we will continue to be mugged off. Time for all Rangers fans to man up and grow a pair. Open your eyes and see that as it stands this is the shell of our club being used to fleece us. This will only be our club again when we take it back. You can continue to live in fear of 'what if' or you can send a message to those that are laughing at us by refusing to buy into their pseudo Rangers. Then and only then will our voices be heard. Don't listen to the lies coming out of Ibrox, whomevers mouth they're coming out of

Regardless of you being right or wrong George can you see any justification on why any of the gang of four should step on to the board?

George

I could not agree more with most of what you have said.

It is clear that there is no future opportunity for these crooks to syphon of probably legal but completely immoral payments to themselves without the fans continued support and payment of season tickets. Further more there is no club or creation of wealth without the fans.

I have stated here a few times that we as a group should turn up on the day of each home game and not enter the stadium until action is taken. The board action as a minimum should be to remove Stockbridge. For the moment this would be enough for me but I am also starting to think that Sommers is also part of the deceipt some how.

As you note George the shareholders will react and do the right thing by the end of January and if they do not is the is really our club and can we support it.

We have to stand up for what is right and for me this starts on boxing day when I will not enter the stadium for this or any other home match until Stockbridge is removed.

As for McCoist, I am a supporter as I beleive he has been in a difficult position. Having said this, his long acceptance of the inflated salary does him no credit and shows him to be a bit of a hypochrite. When we were crying out for leadership he was avoiding the issue unlike Smith who acted. McCoist is not our problem

George, after a short period of common sense you are back to your mercurial best.
Until we get stability, we cannot move forward and all the protests are futile.
Stockbridge crimes are what? He was appointed by Green---yes. He probably signed some cheques. [ authorised by others]----yes. He is overpaid. [authorised by others]---yes.
But at the end of the day he has been used, in the same way that McCoist has been used.
Let the board do their job or their will be no team to follow.

Billyb

I was at least hoping Stockbridge would be out

This shows complete disregard for the fans and the Somers spiel to date is so way out of touch to be believed.

If you read my post I WANT to move on but there is no compromise with this board

Not even considering Mr King as investor when we are desperate for money? Tells me one thing and one only with King financing us they would have no excuse to use the Resolutions 9 and 10 which they are going to borrow a small amount of funds but give out huge profits, effectively the same as happened with the IPO £6.5 million for setting this up

I do not like this no compromise and obstinate stance at all.

george

George- raised concerns about resolution 9/10 before AGM.

NOT 100% certain but sure it can't be passed unless the board received a 80% majority.

Re you lot missing the point. The club is losing money hand over fist, the wages are too high, there are too many players, things need to change and change now. Dave King has not promised financial security for Rangers, NOBODY has because the people with money know that pouring money into Ranbgers is a sure fire way to never see it again and Dave King has already done that once. He has said he is willing to help find new investment, there is a huge difference. The sacking of Stockbridge will not make everything all rosy again, so maybe instead of listening to the people on the outside who made NO investment and keep rocking the boat, maybe the people who are in there should be given the chance to stabilise a boat that is listing quite badly.

N7 you say let people on inside run the club I ask where did these people appear from who chose these unknown people to run a club as big as rangers I could maybe make exception to mr wallace but the others have never been heard of until chas gave them jobs and proxy for hiis shares I've been saying since august bobcotts are the only way forward

22 Dec 2013 01:33:01
This is it either show us the books and the mystery men making blu pitch and cocktail or we don't buy/renew season tickets, it's as simple as that. We need to get together and think of a plan to buy out these conmen, or their will be no rangers in 2years time, believe me

I feel at last there may be a wind of change with the supporters. enough as they say is enough? the power is in our hands unfortunatly we haven't noticed that until now, but better late than never. They ie Easdales etc will not won't their share issues to end up being worth nothing becuase that's what will happen and they know it. Two options open to them 1. listen and give the fans a say. or 2. Administartion and they lose the lot and this time we take over ie fan ran club.

There may be a wind of change but we as a collective fans group continue to be essentially ineffective. I am just a normal fan who is as fed up and angry as the next Rangers fan.

I applaud guys like George and Craig from the SoS who have at least tried to make some kind of change occur. As noted elsewhere on these pages, Stockbridge would be removed with in days if we as a collective group did not enter Ibrox for 2 or 3 home games. Is this really such a big sacrifice for us to make. McCoist and the players are not stupid and would understand the short term lack of visible support.

We are talking about the future existence of the club here. This is much more important than the fans witnessing a few 3 or 4 nil wins.