Rangers Banter Archive December 22 2011
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22 Dec 2011 22:27:46
just walkin snowy doon the beach there and who do i bump into? nope not whittys da this time , the main man himself, boydy the king of kings, he sais he is comin back in january if he can proove his fitness to super ally , i told him to stay aff the buckie and baguettes cos i want him to come back , u herd it hear 1st
wullie o'liddle
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Good to have you and snowy back wullie
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That is good tell snowy a said hello
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22 Dec 2011 20:52:13
Hi fellow Bears
I was just wondering as to why the boy McKay cant get a game, is he injured? If not how he cannot get a game in our midfield is beyond me. Edu and McCulloch are just a waste of space and Davis' form has been crap due to the fact that hes being moved out to the right to compensate for they two donkeys.
Also Ed is there any truth in the Gary Taylor Fletcher rumour? {Ed003's Note - Interesting that one,not heard anything but the boy is out of contract in the summer, also he has been complaining about abuse from Blackpool fans through twitter, and that is not like GTF. That's all I can help you with on that sorry. }
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22 Dec 2011 20:49:20
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Reed someone on the runners up page last week saying its going be 5 or 6 next week, when was the last time we conceded 5? Wouldn't mind some of what he was on last week
Rablam
*the mighty Celts banged in 6......August 2000, I believe! Best Old Firm game I've ever seen!
Miko x
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I remember that, Ricksen got a roasting off Bobby Peta, but we made up for that in the next one, do you want to tell us what the score was in that fixture Miko, or will I ?
Pete
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Hail hail Miko, Rablam how could you forget that scoreline mate?
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Thats what I mean nearly 12 years ago, can't see this Celtic team scoring anymore than 2 never mind 6.
Rablam
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Lol, when was the last time we conceded 6 in the league against the mighty Gers, Pete? Eh? Eh? Eh?.......lol
Anyway, I was just enlighting Rab, the wee lamb! lol.
Miko x
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Thought you might have forgotten here is a wee reminder. Rangers 5 - Celtic 1 - Nov 2000
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None of us said we were taking 6 of u lot, away back to the runners up page miko and mind the gap, I can't wait till next week.
Rablam
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Calm doon Mr Angry, lol
Miko
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Ronald de boer and michael moles were two of the greats !
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That was when we could score corners
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22 Dec 2011 20:04:26
Free advice for king ally get in hitman boyd now
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You couldn't afford him, even if he wants to return! Remember K. Miller? You lot claimed he would "come home" after his spell in Turkey and the trillionaire Criag Whyte didn't offer enough money!
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We dont want him or kenny headless chicken miller
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Kenny headless chicken miller???
these sort of comments make u look daft pal. miller was outstanding for us. fact!!! so you dont want boyd back because he doesn't try hard enough or miller because he tries too hard?? id still have miller back anytime, was gutted we never got him in the summer. his workrate forces defenders into making mistakes and his goal return last season was superb. would always feel more confident with miller in my team. especially with an old firm game just around the corner.
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Sorry didnt mean to say headless chicken meant to say useless headless chicken. what about his first couple of seasons wheen he was utter pish give anybody long enough up front and they will eventuallly score goals. wonder when he came back from bursaspor why all the epl teams werent interested even at 400000 for such a fantastic world class legendary striker.
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22 Dec 2011 18:53:16
What was the atmosphere like at Ibrox with the old standing terraces? Do you reckon the atmosphere would get better with sanding area or not?
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I remember when they started work on the stadium back in 1978- We couldn't get Hampden ( I think it was pretty run down too) so we had to improve it as we went along - a bit at a time. They ripped out the east enclosure (rangers end for us oldies) which became Copland Road - 1979 they ripped out west and it became Broomloan. 1980 the Centenary stand became the Govan Stand. The Mainstand was upgraded and standing enclosure under it remained until the Taylor Report and it too was made seated.
We had a wonderful modern stadium the best in the UK in 1981, but sadly there was only an average of about 20,000 fans trying to fill it, because of the money spent on the stadium, there was not a lot left over for the playing squad. John Greig did his best during those times and Jock Wallace also, but I remember them being pretty dismal and a lot of fans lost faith. Anyone that has said "This team is the worse team in 50 years" etc, has short memories, or they weren't born, or they are just talking gash. The worse squads I remember was from that period, from around 1981 till Souness took over. I miss standing at games - I would love them to open up Copland Road, but I fear that the issue in scotland is not getting people to stand up, its about getting people through the gates in the first place.
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I too remember the good old days, nothing taken for granted, unlike present support. in those days it was your duty to turn up and support the team regardless of the crowd size we helped to lift many a poor Rangers team and could be really called a 12 th man . I regret to say going by present support all terracing would do at ex fortress Ibrox is give opposition a bigger lift. Imagine 20,000 so called supporters howling their derision at a chosen victim aye one of our own, i have watched many players i thought not worthy of the shirt they wore, i preferred to support the team as one and hoped the poor souls being abused by the Rangers support might find a comfort zone which would help them to be of use to the team. Surely even the stupidest supporter must realise how much damage they do to the team by victimising ANY Rangers player, is it not shameful that our team do not enjoy the advantage of a vigorous and passionate home support. If you cannot give the team your full backing dont go you will not be missed. Our great club have many enemies, on a daily basis tims with typewriters tell us the demise of our institution is upon us. We as the Rangers family have it in us to lift our team especially at home and let our enemies know WE WELCOME THE CHASE, do it for the club you love.
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Sorry pete but the copland road end was and still is the copland road and never the east enclosure. the east enclosure was and still is below the main stand
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To answer the original question, yes
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Hi JG,
I am not losing my memory, although I am getting on a bit. The Copland Road Stand was the East Stand and was the Rangers End (or if you are really old "The Derry" )The East and West enclosure was a term used for the standing area's (where the jumbo screens are now but of course that ran right under the main stand) before the Taylor Report. Remember that it used to be all Standing at both the west and east (broomloan and copland) before the renovation began, I am sure there must be a few links out there that will either confirm me as going loopy or that I have a few marbles left ..
Pete
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22 Dec 2011 18:47:29
Reed someone on the runners up page last week saying its going be 5 or 6 next week, when was the last time we conceded 5? Wouldn't mind some of what he was on last week
Rablam
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Did they not mean we would put 5 or 6 past them Rablam ?
Pete
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22 Dec 2011 17:40:20
I remember 2 months back being slated for saying boyds coming back to rangers and theres some folk on here that was trying to slate me arguing way other folk saying he is coming ha ha how times change.
andy
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Im not going to even try n claim i knew for a fact boyd would be be back, but i said as soon as ally took over, he would try n bring him back. ally rates him. would take boyd, templeton, driver, hately, murray davidson and the lad from dundee utd if jela goes.
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22 Dec 2011 16:39:59
Although hooper may be a better goalscorer, jelavic is a far better footballer.
Fraser
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Both are quality strikers, Jelavic is probably tecnically better but hoopers touch to go past weir in the 3-0 game at parkhead last season and his finish in the 4-2 game this season was tecnically brillant. Although Jelavic free kick at Killie and goal at Aberdeen last season were equally brillant as well as his first touch against hearts earlier this season that he took on the volley to score. Hopefully both OF teams can keep these players as both would be a major loss to scottish football.
J1985
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J1985 well payed mate, both of them are good Players the whole posted I started was to point out that jelavic is good but not the best. Wikipedia/the Scottish sun stated that hooper had the 4th best strike rate  in europe last season, can't be lies but tony the ger doesn't want to accept this. Anyway jelavic 1st touch at hearts was a great bit of skill & as above hooper has his moments too.Â
Hopfully both strikers stay at both clubs for at least another year but sadly money talks & they will proberly go sooner than that.Â
Once again j1985 well played I see some other rangers fans don't want to give our strikers the credit for anything.
Lenny
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Both of them are good players, If Hooper was born in a less populated country than England chances are he would be considered for international call ups. Jelavic shades it for me because he can score from free kicks and from distance, I can't recall any of Hoopers goals scored outside of the 18 yard box ( I may be wrong)
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But if Hoopers that good why isn't Capello selecting him?
Croatia arguably have a better choice of strikers than England yet Bilic has said Jelavic will lead the line at Euro 2012...
Crouch
Heskey
Zamora
Agbonlahor
Carrol
All these guys have been selected in recent times and their club records are very, very poor.
Must be a reason for this.
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But ur forgetting bent,rooney,walcott,sturridge,zamora,crouch
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Cheers lenny. Can't argue with any of your points. Both strikers are the real deal and any fan who denies that is either bias or blind.
I can't see either of them going in jan as they are far too important to their teams title challange, i expect Jelavic to go in the summer after the euro's. We'll probably get between 8-10 million depending on his performance in the summer. Hooper will probably have to leave to get an England call up.
To the person who posted about the england strikers...Hooper would be in my team before any of the mentioned strikers apart from Rooney and Walcott. He's far more clinical than Zamora, Bent and Crouch. Only reason he isn't in the frame for a call up is because he plays his football in Scotland...FACT!!
J1985
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The irony is, they would make the perfect strike partnership.
I've always liked Hooper, not too unlike Boyd, Hooper obviously works a bit harder, but very similar Nonetheless.
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22 Dec 2011 16:23:41
Alright ED probably wont much so to you and all the regulars Merry Xmas hopefully we can get 6 points in the next 2 games lads. Have a good one.
Billyboy1 {Ed014's Note - Thank you.Have a nice time and roll on the 28th.
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Merry Christmas Billyboy you have a good one mate cmon the gers for the 28
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22 Dec 2011 16:23:36
Tim Matavž of PSV Eindhoven would be the perfect replacement for Jelavic, just saying...
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Nah watched him a couple of times and although he can score he moves about as much as Kris Boyd!
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Why are you all talking about Jellyfish leaving, if he loves the club he'll sign a new contract, just like Izzaguirre, Kayal and Brown have!
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22 Dec 2011 16:13:40
BBC Reporting Scott Brown, James Forrest and Adam Matthews have been invited to consider playing for Team GB. However a question for you fellow bears, who do you think will be invited from the Champions or who would you like to see being considered?
The BluePrint
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Is there an age restriction? {Ed014's Note - It is an Under 23 tournament but you are allowed 3 over age players.
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Naisy, McGregor.
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I take it team GB are not taking the tournament serious then if they are inviting scott brown
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NTYABOW....... How could you? Team GB would be a far poorer side without the great " Broonaldo " in the team !! Lol 4 in a row
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Ness,Wylde,Wallace.
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Realistically, If the GB squad won't have anyone of note from up here, the Scots will probably be players based down south. (Rhodes, Goodwillie, Snodgrass, Morrison, Dorrans etc)
Giggs will probably be one of the over 23's then Beckham will be involved, and I suppose you could say McGregor should be the keeper, as he is the best of the British Keepers at the moment.
I can't pick a starting 11
But players like Smalling, Phil Jones, Carroll, Gareth Bale, Kyle Walker, rodwell, Wilshire, Ramsey, Wellbeck, Sturridge, are all quality youngsters off the top of my head and will blow any hopes for many scots, or N'irish players getting even a look in.
I think Pearce is the wrong guy for the job too. I would have loved to have seen Alex Ferguson taking a stab at it, he's won everything else. and it would be a good way to bookend a career if he retires in the next couple of years from Man U
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Mcgregor is the best of the british keepers.
are you having a joke. thats why all the big premier teams are looking at him. hes a decent shotstopper but he cant handle crosses and is prone to mistakes . at least 5 better keepers than him in uk
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22 Dec 2011 16:09:22
so if jelavic, davis n shagger had to be sold in jan n we had no money to spend our team would look something like this....
alexander
whittaker goian bocanegra papac
aluko edu mckay/ness(if ever fit) wallace/wylde
healy/fleck lafferty
call me mad but that team could well win a title!!
7/8 of these guys have championship medals already so experience of winning titles is there. boca n goian are experienced internationalists and guys like mcculloch would be there to help out the younger guys like hitton, perry n ness. im pretty certain it will never come to this but if so i dont think it'd be as bad as most imagine. purely hypothetical.
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Ok Your mad
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J1985 do you believe in santa and the tooth fairy.
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Fair enough... Like i said i may be mad with this post but i'm just saying worst case aint as bad as most make out!!
And Santa and the tooth fairy. Of course i believe, don't you? Look at Celtic's starting 11...
They have a leprechaun as a manager, a pixie winger in forrest, a wee goblin for a captain, commons has clearly turned into a big fat ogre over the summer and they have 2 big fairies at centre half!!
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Yeah ..... your mad
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22 Dec 2011 15:20:37
To people that slate Boyd
Killie-Apps: 153 G: 63.
Rangers-143/101
Boro-27/6
Nottingham Forrest 10/6
Ekhirispor 2/0
Scotland 18/7
Overall Boyd has a fantastic scoring record. All time top scorer in SPL. Bad 6 months at Boro. Great record for 6 months after that at Forrest then what was he expected to do in 2 starts in Turkey? Plus a great international scoring record when he's had the chance.
Say what you want about fat, lazy whatever but goals win titles. We're scraping games now that can easily be draws but with Boyd he'd slam in 2 or 3 most times. Plus if it comes yo GD you'd wish you had Boyd.
If people think that scoring loads of goals is a bad thing then they need to revisit the whole point of football!
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I agree that his record is very impressive but kris boyd misses far too many chances for me. We're coming up against teams every week who are becoming more and more stubborn to play against so we need someone who will be taking the first chance of the game rather than needing 2 or 3 attempts before scoring. i think we need players who are going to work there a*** off and kris boyd doesnt do that. Thats why he wasnt getting picked for any of the "big" games his workrate is awful.
If we do sign him again then i hope for his sake that his spells with m'boro and n.forest and the turkish mob have made him realise how good he had it at rangers, he'll needs to prove himself all over again and that includes his work rate!
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You obviously dont know a lot about football why do you think manager after manager does not play him have a wee think about it.
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I dont know a lot about football? I know that being the all time top scorer in the spl isn't a bad thing. A genius like you must disagree tho......
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Being the all time scorer in the spl means nothing to any country other than us
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22 Dec 2011 13:27:43
Lenny has just confirmed interest in Boyd! Let's f***in beat them to it...
weebear.
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Lol a thought this was a joke but it's on stv news app. Boyd is a die hard rangers fan why would he move to Celtic ? Said it yesterday on here Boyd will sign for rangers & jelavic will be off its Basicly the perfect replacement ? But CW will pocket the transfer money ?
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I think signing boyd for free is a no brainer .He is proven at this level and if jelavic is transfered/injured unless we spend a good few million(and hope player hits the ground running)it could be the difference between first and second.If celtic were to sign him with the chances they create he would score for fun it would almost gaurentee them the league.Shaun H
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As much as it pains me to say this, if rangers and celtic go for the same player Celtic will get him cause they can offer more money, all this boyd is a rangers man doesn't matter anymore money talks.
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I hope Celtic get him, Boyd is not a team player sign Boyd and he will score goals but no one else will!
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No f*****g way!!!
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Boyd as a replacement for Jelavic ..... no chance the only way id take boyd is if he is to play WITH jelavic up front .... think ho many jelly would put on a plate for him ..... Boyd to take the place of him tho ... no way he not even close to being as good allround as him ... only way id take boyd is if they already have a player in mind to partner him.
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Celtic should sign him and then send him permanently to fat camp.
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Surely Commons would kick up f**k about another " pie eater " in the squad ? AndyPandy63
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22 Dec 2011 12:12:39
Just saw nicky maynard of bristol city has been transfer listed because he can't agree terms on a new deal what would u think of him as a replacement if jelavic was sold ed ? {Ed001's Note - good player, but he has a lot of interest from the Prem, hence his decision not to sign a new contract. I expect him to move to a club there, Newcastle and Sunderland seem to be the most likely right now.}
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22 Dec 2011 11:55:51
on the jelavic/hooper debate, hooper has scored 3 goals in europe, the same amount jelavic has scored in europe only against celtic
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Does the goal jelavic scored against malmo not count then?
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Read the point, im showing jelavic has scored as many JUST against celtic than hooper has against every team
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Jelavic is overrated
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22 Dec 2011 10:07:59
After watching Alan Hutton's antics last night it really is incredible that we got 9 million for him.
Juande Ramos obviously wasn't thinking clearly when he paid that for Hutton!
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Have said this before. it is unbeleivable that a player with so limited ability went for 9 million and even more amazing that he was signed again for 3 million by mr lucky. the rangers fans didnt like him.
the spurs fans didnt like him
the aston villa fans dont like him.
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It was definitely his form for Scotland that got him his move down south.
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Speak for yourself ... i didnt hate Hutton ..... I will agree that early in his career it looked like Stevie Smith was the better fullback of the two but lets not forget he moved for 9m in a season were he wasa standout for gers in europe (picking up two man of the match awards in the CL groups) and being excellent for scotland in that group of death with Italy, France and Ukraine. In that season he was putting in performances that were equivalent of 10m players thats why he was bought for that plus he was young and had time on his contract, as far as im aware i think gers knocked back about 4 bids to start with and got them up to 9m.
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It was his form for Scotland that got him his move down south?? Get a grip pal, for 6 months Hutton was head and shoulders the best full back in Scotland by a mile, his performance against Stuttgart was up there with one of the best individual displays in Europe i have seen for Rangers, He won a pen for Darcheville and a great bit of work to assist adam. Lyon away he was brillant as well. Thats what won him his move. As for Rangers fans not liking him....I did and would have him before Whittaker any day!!
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People have short memories eh
I agree with both J1985 and the Germinator.
He is the best Full back Scotland has produced in many years, and to say otherwise just shows how limited football knowledge people on here really have.
Alan Hutton, has been hampered with Niggling Injuries since moving down south and had to try an fight his way into a good spurs side, who kept players on the bench who were bought for much more than hutton.
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Alan hutton had a few good games for rangers and scotland and thats why he got the move. but he has been proved to be useless since. as for the above poster who thinks alan hutton is a cross between torrecelli and maldini if you want a true world class rangers right back ask your dad for his videos of gary stevens who was a true overlapping right back but difference was he could also defend.
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I would say more Cafu than Maldini!!
In all seriousness, no one compared Hutton to a player such as Maldini. He was excellent at the time around his move to Spurs, hence why they paid 9 million. Anyone who denies this obviously has a non-football reason.
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What you mean that hes a arrogant wee ned.
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I hope you don't mean me, In no way would i compare Hutton to those, but he was the best prospect we had at the time, and worked wonders to oust Bardsley out the team especially after suffering a double leg break.
Our team is begging for a full back like him, that can go forward and get back without leaving gaps, although he was suspect at the backpost, tell me what Fullback nowadays isnt
Season ticket from 1986/87, so i did see Gary Stevens, especially his strike against st mirren when we won 4-0 to clinch the league at Ibrox. but would say hutton was more like a Right sided David Robertson.
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Hutton and gary stevens and right back shouldnt be mentioned in the same breath. gary stevens was far superior as a player and person.
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Difference is david robertson wouldnt have got into an all time rangers 11 but gary stevens would.
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Is Gary Stevens your Da?
Rikkisixx,
David Robertsons, scored more goals and had more assists and played against more supperior teams up here than Gary Stevens. Alan hutton, whilst not as good in my opinion as either of the players is Still the best full back Scotland has produced in Years (See previous comment)
I am not saying that Gary Stevens wasn't a quality player, but if you look way back at my post, I said, Hutton was the best full back SCOTLAND have produced in Years.....(Gary stevens got all his Int Caps from England, No?) plus am sure when I said years, I think 17/18 years covers it eh?
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And to the guy who called him an arrogant wee ned, you obvioulsy haven't met him, or you're one of them as he is quite a sound guy. Like Naisy, he's not the same person on the pitch as he is off it
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22 Dec 2011 01:17:29
Ed, regarding goodwillie Mainstandbear is correct you can play for a maximum of 3 teams in any one season this link shows that
*ksd*
www.inbrief.co.uk/football-law/footballers-transfer-in-season.htm
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When was my post posted, i did not see it being on the site. MainStandBear!
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I don;t think that atricle is accurate (may be wrong) but wasn't big Daniel Cousin not allowed to transfer to Fulham in his first season with Rangers because that would have been his 3rd club.
I may be wrong though
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By the way to the guy who "disagreed" with me theres an article confirming this online in the guardian...
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22 Dec 2011 01:11:23
Chelsea's Josh McEachran has been tolf he can go out on loan in January and could be worth a punt. It would be a long shot but what do we think bears
Ally Mitchell
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No chance there is 4 epl teams after him
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22 Dec 2011 01:00:13
i think the standin concept is good but in the east or west enclosure you can barley see the pitch when seated the roof comes down so far i would not bother going to another game in those sections, so god knows how anyone would see standing
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I was going to the enclosure since the age of ten m8, I'm 48, no problem with standing in the enclosure whatsoever ! The view is only hampered by the pillars if youre at the back,but other than that it is fine. The atmosphere can get yer pulse going big time and I miss it, so " Bang On " with standing ! AndyPandy63
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You must be young mate
I always enjoyed standing in the eastie
biggest problem seeing the game then was from the thunderbird not the roof
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Can you here the Copeland sing nawwww
nawwwwwwww
lol ah good days
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22 Dec 2011 00:52:02
Just like to say well played to Lenny. Tis good to read debate's between our lot and tic fans without disending into nonsense.
Pappy
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I'll second that pappy he's not like timalloy miko he actualy talks football
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Lol cheers pappy & wullie, I done my rounds on the tax case months ago & even I got sick of talking about it lol. Like my post below about hopper vs jelavic. Was a good post just wanted a bit of a debait over it,like a said below I rate jelavic highly he's a good player but only a handful of gers fans agreed that they would take hooper in there team ? Take the tinted glasses of lads it's not a crime to admit that the rival team had good players,I hate Naismith so much but I do rate him along with a few others at rangers.Â
Anyway Makes it a little more interesting on both Celtic & rangers pages rather than the usual crap of were going to sign bla bla bla lolÂ
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No worries. Yup I'd take a few of your players, (though obviously I'd rather we went out and bought some of our own)
But if I was to create that scenario, I'd pick
GK-McShagger
RB- No one at Gers or Celts, all pish
CB- Goian
CB- Boca
LB- Wallace (I like Papac, but I always look to the future, can't help it)
CM- Naisy
CM- Davis
CM- Ki or Kayal or Ledley
FWD- Forrest
ST- Jelavic
ST- Hooper
Just a thought, for banters sake. Will prob change my mind after the old firm game.
pappy
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No probs lenny my best mate from school is a celtic fan (not sure if he still goes to games or not tho) so am used to the banter
my OF team
GK Mcshagger
RB? CB Goian CB Boca LB Wallace/Papac
CM ledley CM Naisy CM Davis CM Forrest
ST Jela ST Hooper
not a bad looking team IMO lol
all the best for crimbo & new year lads
Wullie
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My OF team
Shagger
Matthews Goian Boca Papac
Kayal
Forrest Davis Naismith
Jelavic Hooper
Subs
Alexander
Wallace
Mulgrew
Ledley
Brown
Lafferty
Stokes
J1985
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U couldn't have them 7 on the bench u need 3 youngsters on the bench spl rules.
Rablam
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My of team if fit!
Mcgregor
matthews goin boca izzaguire
forrest ki kayal naismith
jelavic hooper
subs
davis
broony
commons
papac
ledley
stokes
win the epl!! lol!
chalky bhoy!
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J1985, I would put Ki on the bench rather than brown but other than that i agree with you.
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Chalky bhoy have to agree with your team.. can't believe the other teams haven't got Izzy at left back!?
Craig
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Its all good fun..but if we were going on form sammy and wanyama would have to be in there somewhere!! dont laugh bears and bhoys!
chalkybhoy
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