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22 Apr 2013 20:31:18
Neither Green nor Whyte will comply with this club internal investigation.
Whyte will not wish to telegraph what evidences he has before the legal case, allowing the club the chance to build contrary evidences.
Green will simply not wish to implicate himself further.
22 Apr 2013 20:07:18
Bears. Just go here to see the truth. Gubbed. Take note of the dates, really look at the dates of the appointments.
http://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/directors/sevco-5088
Not being business minded, Ed can you explain this, Whyte appointed a director to Sevco 5088 on 12/4/13 and terminated as a director on the 18/4//13
What implications does this have if any PB {Ed001's Note - the implication is that he was involved in it with Green, despite denials.}
Investigation done.
Implication? Fact more like {Ed001's Note - not really, it is more circumstantial evidence, but it wouldn't be enough to prove anything on its own. It is possible to be a company director and never meet your fellows. Highly unlikely, but possible, so it is just another step nearer proving they are in cahoots.}
Green caught in a trap, claims he removed whyte/adey but that had majority control, green claims he resigned from Sevco 5088? when.
green has set up a smoke screen.
meanwhile he converts his shares into £2million, not bad for investment of just £25k.
Ps: Green worth over £30m - yet luvs gers so much only put in £25k?
22 Apr 2013 20:06:45
bhoy in peace my best mate is a ger, you lot need to grow some balls fast, demand to see title deeds, don't buy 1 season ticket till the place is fumigated of all the germs that's there, Celtic fans would turn up in there thousands demanding that scabbie lot out, Whyte and Green are going to get all the flak for this fiasco, when its Murray who is the real snake here, I hope for the sake of my mate, you get the place sorted, but your club has been poison ever since Murray took over, it was much more stable and respected when john Lawrence owned you. you have no dignity left. you must protest in numbers every chance you get, also those people who front the supporters associations, also need to get shown the door and get strong leadership in there. I heard a rumor.
King is buying the club from BDO as soon the outcome is public knowledge
King is banned for five years and is not a fit and proper person to be involved in Scottish football. He was one of Whytes directors for a few months.
''i hope for my mate'' what a load of complete bs, ''your club has been poison since murray took over'' shows exactly what your feelings are. Reality is you should be hoping for the sake of your own lot and the rest of scottish football that it gets sorted soon.
@2 why can't a rival fan come on here a post comments without people like you making out thev got an agenda with us the fact is the celtic fans went thru this years ago getting robbed af the board but they stood up for there club and they are a lot better for it wer as us the we are the people gang we'll come on here asking questions when we should be f*kin camped outside ibrox asking them and demanding these questions get answered not blaming everybody else this is our problem no body else's
@2 don't talk pish mate celtic have had one of ther most successful season's in recent history we dnt need your lot nevee have never will gazdcfc
22 Apr 2013 19:55:07
Whats a football club worth with no fans? CheltBlue
Good post about Murray but let's not forget Walter and Ally who have over the last few years caused most problems. Ally with his lack of skill, getting knocked out of all cups at the early stage thus cutting of extra income and also getting a massive wage and bonus for his troubles he won't walk away. Then we have walter the man who must of known of the trouble Murray was in with the banks but still went out and spen t money loads of it when the belts should of been tightened. He also said that when he left the club had no debt! but Craig Whyte was in charge and he wanted to wash his hands of it left poor ally with the problem. He then stands against Greens takeover but then joins the board and still not spoken out unlike John Brown has has received threats for trying to warn everyone what was going on please don't tell me he didn't know what Brown knew Clear the lot of them out now {The Ed039's Note - What are you talking about, Rangers couldnt make a signing for 2 years under Smith and had to sell, so I dont know how that becomes Smiths problem?)
Maybe more than with. Ibrox. Auchenhowie. no wages to give out not bad if you don't give a f@ck about the club, whyte, green, ticketus, octopus. don't give a monkeys about the club, just money. that's why this is serious. Les
@1 ridiculous post. can't be bothered with defending smith and ally because they don't need it. Your either deluded or an oppo fan still jealous of smiths success. And as for ally, if the club was built in such a way that it required champs league money to stay afloat then it was a pretty p**s poor business model to begin with and was doomed. Every manager gets turned over in Europe some time. Walter did it several tines. O Neil was humiliated by basle and Lennon by braga/ Utrecht if I recall. Every so often it happens.
@3, away and check your facts. Whyte's reaction to being knocked out of Europe has been widely reported. The business model WAS dependent on Champions League money during whyte's reign and probably prior to that as well due to the debt that Lloyds TSB were chasing.
Al
@1 how the hell would smith have known that Murray was tappin the bank the money to bankroll rangers
@4. Read 3 properly. No denial that was whytes business plan. It IS widely reported yes. But tell me what kind of pressure is that to put on ANY manager? Win or the whole club goes bust? Utter rubbish. As stated even so called 'great' managers have fallen at first hurdle. If that was what whytes model was why give out bumper big wage contracts to several players prior to euro qualification? Surely it'd been better waiting to see where we got then having a fire sale to balance books. His plan was to not pay tax. How is this allys fault? Ally is a football manager, manager of first team. Not good record I know. But he's not a bean counter. Ridiculous post ill say again.
@6, I have to disagree. The use of the word "if" in the post I commented on suggests uncertainty that Champions League money was a vital part of the business plan. Secondly, I don't think Ally would have been privvy to the details of the business plan and doubt he would have been aware that he was required to make the groups stages for the business plan to work, so no additional pressure on him on that count.
Al
@ 7 then well agree to disagree. I don't for a minute think ally knew the outcomes of the euro exits. What I'm saying is even if we beat malmo and whoever got to last 16 even lol, do you really think cw would have paid the income tax and ni and other debtors? Come on. He would have robbed even more. Say what you like about Murray and he isn't clean I'm sure but he did pay his taxes albeit in a moral shy way. Legal though. Ultimately it was this which bought us down. To blame a guy on the demise of a great club because of a sticky start to a season is a nonsense. He is showing to be a less than impressive manager I agree to an extent but they are football managers in the modern era. Nowt to do with balance sheets. Cw had one motive. Rob.
22 Apr 2013 19:25:07
What a load of crap I read on here always thinking worst. Stop panicking and trust be when I say there is to much big backers involved now to let the let's of green / whyte cause problems and tonight's statement regarding a big investigation is all true. Mark my word the only way is up WATP. Raab
Aye ok then chief, I feel much better now you have said your piece.
Earth calling raab, we are need to get our heads out the clouds, rangers are in a terrible state, its attitudes like this that will 1 day ruin our club.
You do realise people like you are why the clubs in this state mate? Your "big backers" are all Greens men! These guys are in this to make cash. Did you really think ticketus would walk away from £18m? Did you think whyte had not covered his ass? Do you know who the "big backers"are, no, no one does! But never mind eh, WATP and shut your eyes and ears.
Are you the former Iraqi information minister?
FFS where have you been pal, big backers or not are no protection for fraud, and what's with the WATP is that to make you look more loyal or something
For god sake wake up and smell the coffee Raab we need to get up of our arses and demand proof of the owners of ibrox and murray and see the bank balance to see where the money we put in on the share issue is park check out dunfermline they will not own there ground when they exit administration could this be us next having to rent ibrox back we can't just keep giving money for season tickets and believing everything will be ok
We can't leave anything to trust. We must act believe nothing and with hold ST money. Only then will we get near the truth.
Raab stop panicing? are you on the ganja man, FFs wake up.
Tam
22 Apr 2013 18:20:14
Charles Green is introduced 10 months ago by Whyte, picks up the liquidated distressed assets for no money of his own. States his backers are famous well known multi millionaires who like discretion, household names (Craig Whyte). Says he won't hang about, says he'll make his money from share issue. Rushed through a share issue after six months then resigned and walked away three months later as shares dropped by a third. Now retired once more to France leaving legal chaos.
Anything missed out?
Hearing his retirement pad in France is guess where? Yes Monaco, close to Whytes apartment. Ever seen the comedy dirty rotten scoundrels? It's all a hoot down there this rangers pillarva.
Tell me Greens pad is in Monaco OMG
I thought Greens French house was in Normandy?
Snap out of it bears. Who gives a monkeys where his house is- ffs get asking some real questions before its too late
Green puts down £25k and walks away with 8% of£22 million, directorships of 8 rangers subsidiaries, £1/2m salary and bonus.
he arrived with empty suitcases and leaves with up to £4mill of fans money
and mcmudo thinks green is good for rangers
SDM did have a Monaco pad. It was in the press years ago.
(5). I thought he got the £25K off Whyte? (along with the £137. 5K to Imran's mum!)?
What this all needs is looked at by an efficient police force and strong judicial system. And who knows, mebbe's if a bit more honest taxpaying had been done during the EBT era, we might actually have one!
22 Apr 2013 18:10:00
Whyte sent in to destroy what's left of the club
Green takes over the job as Whyte does his job
Whyte owes tickitus 18m+
Whyte, s name still on the deeds[john brown]
Green wants out so deliberatly gets himself moved out
now can the Rangers fans work with Octopus as owners of Ibrox after all that's went on
they have us by the short and curlies its work with them our move out. Les
Octopus will get their four years of season ticket sales at least. Just like Lloyds ran it for 4 seasons clawing back. Lloyds ran it better than the board ever could.
A likely scenario Les. They will rent the stadium and pitch back for hard cash. that's a lot of money to make up in the SPL and Europe never mind the second division and no Europe!
Green paid £25k only, whyte put in £137k do the math
even if bdo unravels sale by d&p, whyte and green raised £22m on AIM o. the backs of a dead horse.
ticketus get ibrox and murray park from whyte in exchange for £18m, then pay bdo £8m more to secure assets. then get 4 seasons ticket money, then own ibrox for years to come. one day (cl year) that get bought out for £30m
22 Apr 2013 14:34:38
CG and Ally stated at Christmas there would be a pre season tour in the USA. Surely just because CG has left this doesn't change?
If there is it will be budget flights and motels for sure. The clouding of the finances is now reaching a dangerous level.
I think there's far more pressing issues than a bloody pre season off too usa. 1 the deeds& who actually owns them. 2. get rid of the 3stooges, who are costing hundreds of thousands of pounds. get all the so called rangers supporters groups too unite& demand answers, then next season play the youngsters & bin all the 7grand a week players, still laughing at the question of pre season, clubs in freefall & yet all sit back& awe it be awerite weeearapeepul. pffffffff wake up. sm
For G-d sake stop re-arranging the deck chairs. Les
Jesus did you actually believe that?
G93
As always the voice of sanity Les.
OP - And before you ask no Arsenal friendly with Charles Green buying back the shares sold by Craig Whyte. No Dallas Cowboys linkup, no move to England within five years, no half the fantasies spun by Green to flatter supporters.
@3 is the captain no suppose to go down with his ship.
@7 yes I think he does. who is the captain of the good ship Rangers?.
as a season ticket holder and share holder who is steering this ship now that chuckles is away where is it going?, what is it short term aims?, lots and lots of questions about off field and on field matters and on we lurch till the next sh@t storm and they, ll ask us for money for next season we, ll buy them but where is the good ship Rangers going. Les
Have a look at the website of fc united of manchester. they are in with a chance of promotion to the northern premier league. if they do they will play stockport county next season. this is amazing. stockport were fighting for promotion to the premier league not that long ago. (incidentally, the kennedy guy who sniffed around rangers did not do them any favours) these guys started this club from scratch and to be honest the northern premier league is on a par with sfl 1. anyone can become a member of fcu and they will be moving to their own new ground soon. their fans have bought shares in the club and the new stadium. their patience is paying off and its almost certain that one day they'll play glazers united. its the way to go. these guys were all diehard united fans disgusted with the way their club had been grabbed by the glazers. they now love their new club and consider it to contain the heart of mufc. you could do the same only probably quicker and bigger, and you will be respected. whatever happens at ibrox now will always be a joke.
At 9: before green took control whilst we were in admin I was calling for the fans to unite and form their own club, in my opinion the fans are the club without them it wouldn't exist. If the fans who bought season tickets in 2011 had brought the same amount of cash to the table in 2012, it would have totalled 20million. That to me seems like a decent amount of money to start a new club, hell we could have tookover partick thistle and renamed them with that amount of cash. Without us fans backing the old club the greens of this world would have deserted any prospected offers for rfc in admin and eventually the fans would have the chance to buy ibrox from the liquidators at a fraction of its true value. All we have done instead is be a cash cow for shady buisness dealings to take advantage of our loyalty. All this plan would have needed was a figurehead the fans would trust and no one stepped up except brown and he was ridiculed. But even then it was to late green was at the helm by that point. Brown got ridiculed because he wasnt the brightest bulb in the pack but he had the right idea at the wrong time. We deserve everything that comes our way now for choosing to line someones pocket with the fans cash instead of the fans deciding how to run the club with no one except staff taking a wage. All money back to team not green was always my opinion and I got totally scunnered with all the posts along these lines: I don't mind if green makes money from us he saved the club. Well how it looks now is green has his money but has the club been saved? Hell mend us, these charlatans we have as owners are not to blame for this, its us fans who stood back and done nothing except pay our cash to crooks.
22 Apr 2013 14:24:46
Stock exchange has asked for and published full subsidiaries of trifc held by Green and Stockbridge at point of IPO.
Moves are afoot.
Have you seen the length of that list? More complicated paper trails to work through. The legal bills for all this will be huge.
The RNS you mention was not organised through the Stock Exchange. It was organised by Cenkos who were responsible for the actual floatation and are presumably very worried that their prospectus was misleading. If their prospectus was misleading they will be sued by investors and have to rely on their liability insurance. What a mess and a disgrace that people like Green can wander into Scotland collect £1m wages/bonuses plus 8% of the share capital for NOTHING and simply retire back to France. I think there may only be £8-9m cash left in the business so they will need to borrow more to keep going. Any new money will seriously dilute the existing shareholders big time although why would anyone invest new money unless they were sure about the asset position which unfortunately thanks to Green and Whyte is a disaster area. I support my local team who are not very good although I feel the Rangers supporters pain in this situation. I truly hope a solution can be found.
@2/ Not quite right mate. Cenkos would have worked off paperwork and facts provided by Green. They will pass the buck to the club on a misinformation basis.
22 Apr 2013 18:06:19
not certain but don't think Cenkos can be held responsible as like the SFA when they asked for assurances from C Green that Whyte was not involved in any way with newco before licence was granted. cenkos will have relied on the information given at the time by C green as did the SFA. questions are asked and answers are given and trusted to be truthful. we now know that Mr Green is a stranger to the truth when he wants ( needs) something of benefit. no one else to blame but Mr Green and his inability to be forthcoming and truthful and unfortunately for rangers it has taken the threat of an upcoming independant investigation to uncover this mans agenda and he has bolted in jig time. ( 6 days after investigation announcement). thoughts. JohnnyG
@3) correct Cenkos won't be fall guys here. Ahmad, Stockbridge, green and m Murray provided the documentation and statements.
I am sorry but plainly it is Cenkos name on the document and they are liable for the prospectus. That is why they charge astronomical fees to do this work. The due diligence of the deal details lies with them entirely as far as the shareholders are concerned. They will have recourse to the directors of Rangers if they have been given misleading or even fraudulent information. I am not guessing here. this is how things work.
22 Apr 2013 14:05:54
OK Celtic fan here not having a dig but it looks like your club is in serious danger again. The fans need to make a big impact on what happens now. Think you need to refuse to buy season tickets which will starve the club of up front cash and force the board to rethink and sort the mess. Then the fans 40 thousand or whatever can buy tickets for the game as and when they want so the club will still get the money on a game by game scenario just not upfront. it doesn't stop the fans seeing and supporting their team and club but the board would soon get the message that you won't stand for it. once the big house is in order and you have confidence in age board then go back to buying season tickets.
M.
Mate the club was bought for half the price of season tickets. £10m in season tickets should buy the club.
The strategy: hold ST money, don't turn up, they hate empty seats, watch share price drop to 1% and then use season ticket money to buy and own the club.
The guys holding the shares want profits. No fans --they need to cut losses and walk away. Then the club can be picked up cheap by fans. The secret is to stay away until share price sinks then step in.
@1/ Not as easy as that. The sale price will almost be certainly be reviewed by BDO. Holding back cash might force an administration if there are not enough funds to cover the running costs.
22 Apr 2013 14:18:31
Ally is a crap manager and Durrant is a newbie assistant also. They don't have any management experience behind them and need to go. If Ally is kept in Durrant needs to go and an experienced assistant put in there for McCoist. But I think they both should go. Problems enough without keeping them. Cheers but services no longer required boys. Time for a spring clean up and clear out.
Regardless of company and board problems, the football needs sorted as a priority.
God the club is in serious threat of going into the biggest leagle battle ever seen in scottish football we don't know who owns what we don't even know if we will have a ground to play at or a training ground and all you can come on here and say that the manager and hiss assistant should be sacked for god ake wake up and smell the coffee we have won the league get off their backs for now its directors we need rid of the ones that are there to rob us blind
What exactly does Durrant do? McDowall is always the one beside Ally, is Ian just a highly paid bib and cones man?
Which reminds me should Rangers fill in the corners of the stadium. that one got me to, were in the process of being picked clean by vultures. and someone asked this at a meeting with Green and co not to long ago G-d help us all. Les
I'd love to see Ray Wilkins as boss if Ally goes. CheltBlue
(1) Fair point. Well made. Nevertheless, I would nonchalantly point out that Ally draws a £700K salary and he got given 1m shares in RIFC for erm. what was it again?
(a) Nothing at all?
(b) Keeping schtum on what Brown told him about Green?
(c) Telling the bears to buy season tickets, and get behind the floatation?
You could pay the entire Caley squad (SPL pos 3 at present) for a year for less than Ally McCoist has personally pocketed from Green over the past season.
@5 Mccoist earns £17900 p/w and his two deadbeats beside him earn the same between them! That's just short of £2m a year for the worst management team in British football. ever!
Briggs
(5). including Terry Butcher, I should have said!
22 Apr 2013 12:22:42
Yes I am a Celtic fan.
Yes I am on your website.
Yes I used to work in tax (not on your patch!)
Yes I have friends who support Rangers!
No I am not having a go!
I have heard that CW is named as a Sevco director at Co House and that the High Court in London says he has a prima facie case that he owns Ibrox and Murray Park. Also Rangers need a licence to play at Ibrox so if he owns it, he must be involved? Any truth in this? Very suspicious of CG from the start and think he is one of many vultures circling your club to strip assets. Scottish Football deserves the truth and it deserves better than the "efforts" of the current SFA. Fan power has to be the way forward, and I don't mean you Bears being guilt-tripped into putting your money into a bottomless pit! Shouldn't we all stand together for a change and demand more input into how OUR game is run?
Rangers have admitted the whyte connection through sevco 5088 in a stock exchange statement. It now seems clear that whyte does have a claim on the assets. The most worrying thing is who did the SFA grant the licence to? If sevco5088 then it could be revoked as whyte was banned from any club. If sevco Scotland then whyte might still be involved through the sevco5088 connection. What a mess!
Well said celticval. I have always said the sfa are delighted to have fans at each others throats - the classic divide and conquer
Im affraid val all through this sorry debacle if you wanted to know anything about our club you had to ask anyone else but Rangers or Rangers fans. I think things will start to work its self out soon, but what won't ever be solved for me ever is my total distrust of anything coming out of Ibrox lies lies and silence from those in the know those in the know who say they have Rangers at heart
and that can't be bought. its a sorry sorry state we, re in
would the fans go to Ibrox if Whyte is the owner I doubt it. I wont
do we ground share. we may need to
tell you what this guy Whyte has balls. Les
I'd be happy for you guys to groundshare paradise, honestly, I'd rather that than see the working man Robbed repeatedly in this way. To me it's disgusting. Theft. HH. Joe
Wellit will I am a rangers supporter season ticket holder of over thirty years lost shares and bought new shares and yes I fully agree We need to find out where our club is right now who owns what and what is the future for our club we can't just stumble from one disaster to another let get it all out in the open then we can start to build get rid of all the doubts and follow on
It looks as though CG has moved to try and make sevco5088 a wholly owned subsidiary of The Rangers International Football Club plc.
This looks like an ill advised move that will backfire as its highly probably illegal and unauthorised by sevco5088 owners/ directors. TRIFC will be locked in legal battles for years.
Smith and Malcolm Murray are the acceptable fronts for Zeus Capital guys. There's no civil war.
Again on lies lies and silence I forgot that someone walked up to the gates of Ibrox and shouted out the truth for all to hear shouted out at the top of his voice all we had to do was listen
Bomber i'm sorry I didn't listen. Les
The money men put friendly faces smith and Malcolm Murray into TRFC to placate the natives. Both are pet yes men same as Jabba. Nobody is resisting mathers appointment.
+1 Les.
Bomber is the only man who will come out of this with his head held high. He knew the score and spoke out. Others certainly must have known the score & kept quiet to fill their pockets. I've never been so disgusted at so called Rangers men in my life.
Brown made vague accusations and then said nothing, he had his own agenda. He could have brought this to an end a long time ago, but didn`t, anyone ask why? Head held high? I don`t think so, just another bad poker player using other peoples stake money.
chasaboy
N. o 10 no I have to disagree with you bomber knew what was going on but once it was set in motion there was nothing to be done or it could all fall apart there and then[it still could]
so we have to continue because if WE don't ie the fans the the games a bogie were stuck between a rock and a hard place if we fail to support this sh@tstorm we go down due to lack of season book money and its our fault
continue and someone may help us
what do we do?. Les
22 Apr 2013 11:30:12
It is very possible that Ticketus are going to end up owning Ibrox and Murray Park and Rangers will have to lease them back (no doubt at exhorbatant rates)
What we do know is that Craig Whyte owes Ticketus £18M which he cannot pay! However if as he claims, he owns the assets, then Ticketus will claim those assets and hence own the stadium, murray park and probably the albion car park!
This is a very real scenario!
I think Ticketus will get Murray Park. It was already being eyed up as a sale and leaseback option. Look at green and Stockbridge's ten shared directorships owning rights to every profit centre out of Ibrox from security to catering to merchandising to online businesses. Green steps down as CEO but he remains largest owner and has all the directorships of the profit generating businesses.
22 Apr 2013 11:35:15
Fellow Bears
It would appear our once proud club is again the subject of serious corporate - possibly criminal - abuse by VC sharks! I believe Malcolm Murray and Walter will fight to the bitter end to preserve the truth but I fear they are on the back foot against the Zeus boys. The Mather appointment would be questionable in the current climate (which is the politest description I can offer)
There is ONE bargaining tool which WE have and we can control. Season Ticket renewals. If we don't commit the cash does not go into the club. As a result, share price falls - even more than it already has. You force the share price down to a critical level eg £0. 15p then all shareholders combined have a legal right to sight a non-confidence vote in the Board. To do that, Murray and Smith need to get some big shareholders on their side knowing the Zeus "collective" hold around 45% of shares collectively. They need to target the other 55% and fast!
I said it countless times last year - sometimes to the derision of my so called fellow supporters - but I'll say it again. As fans we do NOT fight for our club the way Celtic supporters do and have done during their dark days. Brian Dempsey was an inspirational figure. "The Rebels Have Won" he claimed that night. Well it is time for Rangers supporters to REBEL and play the most powerful, damaging and ultimately influential card we have.
All the signs are this club is going to get screwed over again and that's before you even raise the spectre of fresh SFA sanctions. How many more times will we as TRUE supporters simply roll-over again and let it happen?
Perhaps for once those people at the RSA, RST could find someone literate to draft a letter to formally submit to the Rangers Board making it known all season renewals will be withheld if - IF - Mather is appointed CEO and Deloitte are engaged to conduct the "independent" investigation! Perhaps there is enough cash left over in the fund we fans invested in last year (although not for relaying the playing surface) that could pay for a kick-ass legal firm to draft the letter on behalf of RSA and RST associations.
SPM
SPM that wasa cracking post until you mentioned that the RSA might pen s letter. No chance mate - they will have their nose in the trough till it runs dry. Don't take this the wrong mate - why don't you organise? Start here - unless someone like yourself and maybe a few trusted mates stand up your club is lost. Do it on the priviso that once the club is in fans hands you all elect board reps and handover? GOod luck and I means that genuinely. HH. Joe
Good post, but what can fans do practically? Everybody knows something needs to be done, but what?
I mean practical suggestions people can do right now.
The only thing I can think of is a 24 hour rolling demo outside the big hoose, and it would need to be big and bold with constant stuff happening to keep the news interested.
SPM/ Good and sensible post mate. Since whyte walked in the door there was a collective group who, with out question championed him. After the fiasco of administration and liquidation Green arrived. The same groups rushed to endorse him. My question would be why? Many celtic fans warned these two guys were bad news, this was ignored and ridiculed, where were the Rangers equivalent of the celtic bloggers? I accuse Graham, McMurdo and especially that buffoon Leggat of gross negligence to the fans. They should have been digging and checking these guys before endorsing them to fans.
As a Celtic Supporter who went through those dark days I have to agree! I had a season ticket which it hurt to give up (although I paid at the gate most games). It felt like letting the side down but we knew we had to force the Board out or the Club would be gone. I know Rangers supporters don't like us but Celtic were set up by Brother Walfrid to bring an alienated community together and to do good and to be charitable. I HATE the hatred between our clubs. It 's not a healthy rivalry. It has to come to an end and you can do it!
Now is the time for all real Rangers supporters to support their new team (the old club is gone), remove the bigoted element, remove the fat cats who have been living off your hard earned cash (players and directors), get back into what it's all about - good football! I look forward to the day when I can watch a new derby between an enlightened The Rangers v Celtic (Celtic will win obviously :-))
Hi Joe
I would gladly handle the legal side. even pay for the letter myself. What I need to know is that I have the majority of season ticket holders behind me. Although I have absolutely no time and little respect for the RSA or RST nor do most other bears I know, in times like this we need to put differences aside and stand as one. So if the RSA or RST want to get in touch, I will gladly share my personal contact details with the Editor here and facilitate a meeting.
SPM
Im with you its time to stand up to these money grabbers let's hold our money back we must find out who own what
3. Well said. Watched Chris Graham on TV just a few weeks ago and he just didn't get it. Read McMurdo's blog a few weeks ago saying we still had to trust in Green. Just didn't get it.
Don't even bother reading Leggatt's pathetic scribblings as he is indeed a buffoon of the highest order.
Rangers men in the media are just as bad, like Big DJ still for example, still in denial, said only last week even that Green had delivered on 95% of what he had promised.
As for the RSA. A bunch of yes men if ever there were any. Utterly incompetent.
These people are all part of the reason why we are the perilous position we are in today.
Brilliant SPM. Please please please don't renew anything fellow bears until the money spivs are on their knees and are forced into changes. Even better is to wait until the share price collapses then buy through a figure head like SPM or someone willing to spearhead this. It fills me with hope that people like Val are offering their support.
22 Apr 2013 10:30:29
Just brilliant. Chico still a Director of Sevco5088, and he signed up Craig Whyte as a Director too. Ooohhh, this is going to get very messy, no wonder that Chico has fled the country!
22 Apr 2013 09:22:52
agree with most posters on here, need indept. commission, need an indept ceo, fan represent. on the board, as ally says club needs to be "fully clensed", would like to see brian kennedy or jim mcoll be brought back into the picture and have sum input into the club or even better take full control of club!
Getting a bit ahead of yourself mate. With this mornings statement to the stock exchange things are now getting more serious on a daily basis. BDO, if they think that the administration and sale were not in the creditors best interests, can cancel the sale and start the whole thing again. Add the questions about the licence and things look bleak.
Can you post a copy of the statement please? thanks
#2
22 April 2013
Rangers International Football Club plc
("Rangers" or the "Company")
Director Declaration
In accordance with AIM Rule 17 and further to the Company's admission document dated 7 December 2012, the Company confirms that in addition to the directorships disclosed in the admission document, Charles Green and Brian Stockbridge held directorships in the following companies, each of which is a subsidiary of the Company, at the time of publication of the document:
Charles Green
Rangers Retail Limited
SEVCO 5088 Limited
The Rangers Football Club Limited
Rangers Financial Services Limited
Rangers Matchday Services Limited
Rangers Media Investments Limited
Rangers Youth Development Limited
RANGERS. CO. UK Limited
Rangers Media Limited
Rangers Security Services Limited
The Rangers Shop Limited
Brian Stockbridge
The Rangers Football Club Limited
Rangers Financial Services Limited
Rangers Matchday Services Limited
Rangers Media Investments Limited
Rangers Youth Development Limited
RANGERS. CO. UK Limited
The Rangers Shop Limited
Rangers Retail Limited
Rangers Security Services Limited
Rangers Media Limited
22 Apr 2013 04:39:45
Honestly the biggest clown on the radio, Richard Gordon, making a right a**e of himself again yesterday at the damp squib "title win". As his favourite liverpool song was started by the Celtic support once again their (BBC) obsession to "lets listen to this" fell flat on is face when 2 people sang it and we were left with nothing for at least a minute. And then "lets listen to the countdown for Neil" Is this what we pay our license fee for? I never hear this shower" listenening" to simply the best or any other teams song and no matter what they say it must go down as the worst title "celebration" ever because they know it's worthless! And don't tell me the whole ban for Lennon wasn't completely stage managed by you know who! Get the old seige mentality going to sell a few more tickets or their would have been the usual 25,000!
God you must be hurting.
Op oh I feel your pain son. rangers problems are upsetting you right enough
One bitter OP and a club going down the pan!
Haha ya jealous saddo pmsl
Maybe one day your joke of a team will be there, but it is gunna be a long time ya chimp lol
Quality mate, I enjoyed celebrating our worthless league title win yesterday and I'm looking forward to us getting the worthless trophy on the 11th of may. I know who's shoes i'd rather be in
Bman
Maybe the volume on your radio isn't working pal!
NL stage managed an SFA ban to sell seats for yesterdays game!? Away and stick your tin foil hat on and sit in a dark room.
I enjoyed celebrating the title yesterday, but thanks to you and like minded numpties, I'mnow loving it.
As for the good guys. All the best with this mess.
Shuggy
Somebody call an ambulance, he's got oot again!
"Away and stick your tin foil hat on'. Brilliant shuggy
22 Apr 2013 03:33:03
Murray, Lloyd s Bank, Whyte, Green. are all in the s***, BDO are coming for you. thank god you will all be done, whyte and green are squabbling over who owns the assets, once BDO are finished there investigation you will both own exactly what you put into our club to take it forward F--K ALL. I hope both of you are charge with fraud and theft and get sent to prison, Murray you must be gutted after hearing you got away with the tax case, giving all your assets to that worm for a pound, I hope MIM go bust and you are declared bankrupt and end up with nothing, why did you offer the tax 10Million, if it would have been accepted the fans would have paid for your mistakes, you make me sick
BDO highly unlikely to unpick asset sales, far more likely to accept better payment than the £5m for assets now claimed as worth £50m on bad day.
realistically BDO will get £10m for ibrox/mp from the deed holder - and take half that as admin - providing £5m for creditors pot.
So holder of ibrox pays less than half its true value. a steal.
Murray for paid £2m for carpark this year - he still minted! don't worry about him.
Lets see what payment he gets next year. ?
@1/ Very wrong mate. If BDO decide that D&P did not act in the creditors best interests then the whole thing starts again. If the breakup figure is not matched by an outright bid the assets will be sold independently. This could mean two different companies renting Ibrox and Murray park back to the club for large fees. If this happens would it be viable to keep Murray Park? I would say no.
22 Apr 2013 03:08:21
the independent commision is pointless as they are greens men we will not find out the truth there will be another cover up our club is in real danger we run at a loss of 1 mil a month explain to me who is footing the bill for this I would say the money from the share issue will be getting used when this runs out what then because our squad ain't got sell on value we need to wake up before its to late need serious overhaul of players and staff start from scratch
Thought you were already using the share money as the ST money went ages ago!
What about the contractors that haven't been paid? I guess people outwith the club don't matter to you guys though do they! Your old club had ripped off scores of creditors already I guess the new club is like the old club!
Thats right mate, new club is like the old club, because it is. 55 and counting watp!
22 Apr 2013 09:31:20
Malcolm Murray and Walter Smith are appointees, with few shares and little say in things. Green, Ahmad and Stockbridge and Zeus capital have the shares and appointed them.
It's not civil war. Keith J is writing crap for the gullible, probably from Jabba to again deflect from McCoists embarrassing managerial efforts at the weekend.
The biggest threat to the club is McCoist and he should go now.
Jabba with him.
If this team, second highest paid in Scotland was in SPL they would be relegated.
You are so wrong, and extremely blinkered. Forget what is happening on the pitch, it was good enough for promotion. There are far more serious events happening behind the scenes. If they were in the SPL, they would not have had to offload all the best players- some yes. Seriously, there may not be a team to play on the pitch soon.
Murray, Walter & a couple of others are non executive directors who are appointees and there main role is as goalkeepers to oversee that the club is being run properly.
The do not have anything to do with the actual running of the club. In other words toothless.