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22 Apr 2012 23:21:53
i always thought the fans WERE the club,like Celtic,why the hell dont YOU LOT do something to save the club? only asking...algarvebhoy
What did YOUR lot do like?
If it wasn't for the bunnet you were gone FFS!
bill72
Dont answer my question with a question Bill,just answer the question...algarvebhoy
22 Apr 2012 23:14:29
Jelavic to Everton for £5 million!, should have had at least double that!
Aye - and they are paying by instalments!
Rangers should have got nothing they haven't even paid for him.
& would have got double if the 'mystery buyer' had been taken up on their offer
however that would only have delayed what is happening now
beggars can't be chosers - we do not dictate the terms for anyone being sold anymore
bill72
22 Apr 2012 23:12:02
Theres a 90 minute video, that is well worth watching, which tells the whole story how Rangers ended up £134m in debt.......
Its called Celtic v Inter Milan. 25th May 1967.
CHASING THEIR DREAM IS FOREVER OUR REALITY!
Joeshmo1888
Oh is it in black n white or colour ? Did you watch it live. Doubt it
It was old stinky european cup the uefa cup was harder to win in those days,we were ninety mins away from champ league final,something you will never say
They binned the Cup winners cup!
3.)
and the european Cup
whats your point???
bill72
@bill72: didn't bin the cup, just rejigged and renamed the competition.
They binned the cup!!
22 Apr 2012 22:26:53
All the celtic fans on here already putting there negativity on the fact we might be moving forward, can i just say how pathetic it sounds and it shows 100% you would rather focus on whats happening with us than concentrate on your own team, because yous all know deep down you's have not won anything this season just 'acquired' the title from us due to our problems, and bottled everything else.
Cannot wait untill were back bigger and better
RFC Forever.
Keep telling yourself that..........green jhedi
There is onl
22 Apr 2012 22:24:36
Breaking News the BK have won! Big deal..What have they won??yeh to be the prefered bid for a TOXIC club with a debt that could reach A fifth of a BILLION!!I hope i never win a bloody thing if thats what you get for winning.lol,,,also a CVA at 10p in £, has as much chance of rfc being a club in june!!!stevo
Fifth of a billion, wind your neck in sonny Jim.
22 Apr 2012 22:21:01
blue knight +kennedy to take over Rangers with the B.Miller blueprint for incubator club SFA/SPL have struck deal with the Establishment Ticketus will deliver C Whytes shares or sue him for full 30+ million Nothing like a good conspiracy theory to stir up paranioa in OLD FIRM WEEK
22 Apr 2012 22:20:57
The little ibrox out on dvd
Lou played by dnp
Andy played by craig whyte,
How about tbk andy,
I WUNT THAT ONE
mr.kennedy andy,are you sure,
I WUNT THAT ONE
Mr.ng ok then andy
I DONT LIKE THAT ONE
I WUNT THAT ONE
you sure andy,bill miller
YES I WUNT THAT ONE
DONT LIKE IT,
TBK I WUNT THAT ONE
Ohh andy,
FOR F**K SAKE ANDY WHICH ONE
LIQUADATION
I WUNT THAT ONE
Are you right in the head mate ?
PaulRFC
What happend to the we will be 5points behind celtic going into old firm game(apart from 10point ppenalty) paul rfc??ohhh yes the hoops fringe squad pumped ginger mcalls mob yesterday!!still no takeover,scotlands orphans still begging for a daddy warbucks!!stevo
22 Apr 2012 22:07:36
Hope rangers can survive for one more week got a great day planned on Sunday and don't want to miss out on the last old firm game EVER! GBNL
Another sunday where ur bottle will crash
22 Apr 2012 21:16:15
Rangers will always be part of scottish history. The fans will help them overcome this , im going to help right now so im going to sit outside mcdonalds with a cup for spare change bye!
Don't you normally sit there with your green and grey hooped champions 2012 top, bought from the barras and guaranteed for one season only
Thanks timmy every little helps
myself i,m not going on holidays waiting on the share issue
22 Apr 2012 21:12:39
The SFA have to realise that increasing the deductions teams that go into administration get will not help other teams to like celtic continue to win the league. Funny times.
Teams can't be allowed to get away with reconstituting themselves to avoid paying their debts. The ones that don't are right to demand penalties on those who do.
22 Apr 2012 20:57:56
Y all excitment?,
Dnp wunt unconditional bids,fact
Tbk offerin a conditional bid,fact
= more time paying dnp for same outcome,liquadation,
How much more sh**e can yous be fed,
22 Apr 2012 19:54:54
TBK have won the race to take over Rangers, and will be announced as Preferred Bidders tomorrow.
Final details have been ironed out over the weekend and agreed with D&P.
Ticketus are involved, but Kennedy is not, at this stage anyway.
The BK will now proceed with D&P to agree a CVA with creditors before the deadlines for further footballing sanctions to be imposed.
Whytes shareholding to be secured In exchange for him not being sued for his PG by Ticketus.
CVA likely to agreed as talks already taken place between D&P and HMRC and HMRC are not going to be too difficult to deal with, and as they will have the major say, this will see the CVA go through.
The club will NOT be liquidated!
Where's this news coming from?
Yes and at Halloween the great pumkin rises up out of the patch to give all good girls and boys presents. Dream on macduff.
So what creditors have you spoke to moon man ?
22 Apr 2012 19:30:52
Looks like the Blue Knights have won the race. I hope everybody realises that we are 24 hours away from being no more.
When the share issue happens we MUST put our hands in our pockets, we MUST support them, because without them we would have lost 140 years of history.
Well done the Blue Knights.
Dont want to sound like a smart arse or that but ive checked SSN app & stv & nothing about blue knights 'winning the race'
lenny
1) Only 2 weeks of due diligence. Propose a CVA convince creditors to accept it 4 weeks later. So potentially the club might get a new owner 6 weeks from now. oh and dont forget the big tax case
What's changed with TBK'S from last week that they can now make a bid? And before you say Kennedy why didn't they join up forces earlier? I reckon this is just more spin from the media who are taking the p!ss out the rangers fans as they have been doing all along and you muppets fall for it all the time. Adios the rancid ones
Who cares what you've checked.
@4: have you checked? Or are you just happy to blindly accept just as you blindly refused to believe all those who told you two years ago these problems were heading Rangers' way?
22 Apr 2012 19:22:17
Paul Murray will go down in history as the man that saved " the greatest club inthe world" from extinction
Hope so m8 really really do - if a thought it would help I would be on my knees praying. Best of luck to him if he can pull it off it would be great
Eh NO! The Taxman will be your clubs legend if you get a CVA.....he's the only one who can save Rangers!
Why don't all the disagrees justify their opinions or are they just bitter Celtic fans that are frightened that we do come out the other end stronger .
No sniggerin at the back there,garlar07
I feel some déjà vu as it's just like the euphoria of last May. Keep in mind the following 6 words: 'billionaire with wealth off the radar'.
1903
Greatest club ever, i think real madrid might have something to say about that
Obviously meant 'deja vu' but cutting and pasting the phrase with the accents seems to have gone wrong.
1903
@ 2 QE the 2nd thats the hm of hmrc has always been a legend of our club god save our queen and god and the bks save the glasgow rangers
@8: only QE 1 up here, mate.
22 Apr 2012 18:05:42
Who cares about the bitter timmies,Rangers will survive and prosper,give it a couple of years to re build,and we will chase them all the way,You cant prosper without the biggest team in Scotland timmy,and you know it.
Ha ha ha, only bitter fans are Rangers fans trying to belittle Celtic's title. Celtic might not prosper but at least they'll be in existence!
Chase eh? Interesting choice of word there.......green jhedi
Do you welcome the chase, GJ? Or would that be opening yourself up to ridicule?
1903
1 & 2
a look at the game at fir park today sums up what Scottish football woul be like without RFC
a half strength Celtic team taking the P out of what woul be the 2nd place team
I can see the fans sponsors tv companies and a long line reasonable players making a beeline for the SPL right now!!
You were warned - be careful what you wish for
bill72
@1 no change there then eh?
@1903; thats a rangers saying is it not? let's say if you want it you know where it is.......green jhedi
@GJ: I think it is but not may of the fans are using it now. Saying things like that is just an invitation to look silly when it goes t!ts up. I think you'd be more sensible than to do that as it might be tempting fate.
1903
@6 took you three years to find it!
@8;and it took you three years before that blah,blah..........green jhedi
22 Apr 2012 16:58:52
Can someone explain how HMRC benefit from liquidation when Rangers have at least £38 million in secured creditors and players have contracts that they can walk for penny's if there is a hostile liquidation as secured creditors have to be paid in full its hard to see were they could raise nearly £40 mill to pay them never mind give HMRC A DIVIDEND
The players contracts go to the SFA,they sell them,pay all outstanding football debt and any money left goes to the liquidator...green jhedi
Assets sold for 120 milpion,
Creditors get 40 million hmrc will take rest simples
To the above poster - where are you getting the assets being valued at 120 million not a hope in hell they would get that for ibrox, murray park!
Gers1986
What contracts go to SFA, players contracts had a free to walk written into them 3months ago why do you think it was announced they couldwalk from a TUPE when its imposible for the ordinary working man to get out of that agreement unless it has been stipulated in their previously signed contracts
Tax man wouldn't be too impressed if a normal creditors Footballing debts got paid before a preferred creditor so that's a non starter {Ed001's Note - in England, football creditors have to be paid first, they don't complain about that!}
22 Apr 2012 16:47:32
Was Craig Whyte the majority share holder before he done the ticketus deal ?
NO deal with ticketus 7th April took over shareholding 6th May
Can someone explain how Rangers are classed as owing ticketus 27 million, did craig whyte have any right to borrow the money against the club before he even owned a thing.
22 Apr 2012 16:39:58
As we near the deadline of tomorrow - so many people are saying that we will be liquidated I am starting to prepare for the worst but still cant help believing that we will be saved. Hatred is the only word that can now be used to describe how I feel about those responsible for all of this but NO ONE will ever make me turn my back on my club.
Gers1986
22 Apr 2012 16:17:56
Black Monday? Jog on! It will be Blue Monday when the knights receive preferred bidder status and the long road back to some form of financial recovery begins.
Ticketus will accept £10m over 10 years with a 2 year repayment holiday, with a bit of luck Brian Kennedy will assist the Knights in saving the club.
Then its only that wee HMRC issue to rectify lol
Theglasgowranger
So what about the 273 companies owed money????????
Does no one else owe anybody any money?
That would suggest EVERYONE else was making a profit at least & didn't follow normal business practice in waiting a month or two at least before paying bills
Is it just me?
bill72
@1 what do think?
22 Apr 2012 15:50:14
motherwell for the champions league...thats a bigger joke than our finances......deecee
Won't do any worse than Celtic or what we done this year.
If the mighty well or dufc, st j etc get in - well done, cheats shouldny prosper
22 Apr 2012 15:34:29
Just hearing Celtic sing ''Championees'' during the Motherwell game the now..... I'm surprised they remembered the words!
RFC LIVE FOREVER!!
CC
Why are you surprised ? Are you a tad green with envy :-)
Well till the end of may........green jhedi
CHAMPIONEES CHAMPIONEES CHAMPIONEES,see i remember,we will soon see what you remember in 3 years you little scallywag you,garlar07
Least we can be champions with out having to cheat. Have you no shame playing Wallace against hearts with out paying for him. Sell many scarfs? Lol bigirishmac
It will make it even sweeter when we survive and beat yous again and again cheating or not who gives a toss youl just have to foam at the mouth more than normal jog on~~~
Bigirishmac is clearly deluded. Check your facts the rest of the Wallace money isn't due yet.
@4 get your facts right. The balance of the money is due to be paid at the end of this season.
This was the original deal struck back last summer.
Away back to your midden.
@2 end of may now! ffs love to work off of your deadlne dates!
Aww am so sorry yous got to pay the face painting company first then the taxi driver. When do we get our 40,000. Keep selling the scarfs. Leave a name so you can't walk away on me. Rangerstilljuly bigirishmac
@5 sums up why Rangers are held in contempt by everyone else - happy to win by cheating.
@9 better knock heads with gjhed he's saying May not July, ya muppet.
Your a fan, well online one, you are not an employee of Celtic so go whistle dixie for the £40000.
Typical comment from a delusional yob,screw the debt,watp we have a devine rite to do what we please!!!thats whats going to be the END of rfc,for having same attitude....
22 Apr 2012 13:46:58
Tomorrow will be the day when we find out if brian kennedy will be true to his word and make sure liquidation wont happen, if he fails to deliver, then again we will have been duped by another publicity seeker, i for one think he is a man of his word and in our hour of need cometh the saviour!!! watp.
Your blitzed mate , wakey wakey !
22 Apr 2012 13:32:01
Yet another good performance from or boys yestarday, the team has pulled together in the last few weeks and all in the face of what is going on off the park, I am starting to think that we may even finish within 9 points of Celtic, hope that won't take the joy off there title win, looking at it all now I am asking myself "on the pitch just how far apart are the two sides"? if all the off feild problems had not happened but we had the same squad of players would we have won the title, In fact admministration for Rangers may just be the worst thing to happen to Celtic, it has made Mr lennon look like a manager, it is giving them the feeling that they will be running away with the title for years to come which will lead to an under-investment in their team, After all they could not beat Hearts when it mattered , they could not beat kilmarnock when it mattered, and rangers continue to dominate them in the old firm games, Yet many of the celtic fans think they can take on the likes of man u in europe, Now no doupt I will get the if you had paid your tax, and at least we are in Europe jibs but this only deflects the subject away from the football and masks the posibility that they are not that better off than us even with off feild stibility, if I was a Tic fan I for one would not be that happy.
Wibblyblue
Again another post & another pop at lennon. i see the rangers fans think they are world beaters now that they beat hearts well lets be honest.celtic won the games that mattered,celtic clawed back the 15 point lead when it mattered,celtic beat rangers 1-0 when it mattered.on the back hand rangers didnt finish off celtic when it mattered,more so when jelavic was here & the talk of admin wasnt even in the air!
im not going to have a pop about the tax case etc because as you say that only "deflects the subject away from the football" but my pop is at rangers couldnt handle the fact that they lost a 15 point lead in 2 months.honestly rangers had the chance to kill of celtic but couldnt. i for one dont think celtic will be a force in europe against man utd etc, i would like a europe run CL or europa to get some money in the door.
celtic won the league with a 18 point lead.thats all that mattered.rangers had a 15 point lead & couldnt kill of celtic
lenny
Actually Lenny, its was a NINE point lead Tic clawed back. an Tic wouldnt have beaten Gers had Wallaces goal stood. damn those pesky refs. Kenny McG
@1 Celtic won the league with 18 points, ten of which were gifted! And it wont be remembered for the year you lot won the title after three years but the year our great club was run into the ground by nothing more than a common criminal. Enjoy it, a humping coming on next week at the San Giro,maybe it will be the refs fault or everyone against you
Celtic had games in hand so it was never really a 15 point clawback.
@2: explain how it's 9 points? Don't come out with guff about games in hand because they don't count - you only get those points when you win the games.
Maybe you should question your own managers tactics...out of everything (all right not the Scottish Cup) and blew a big lead all before the comedy show began. Why have they upped their game now..shop window or playing for the jersey ? You have been good enough, as you quite rightly pointed out, to finish 2nd even with a 10 point deduction yet have won nothing why ?? Why were you not good enough to beat Falkirk, Malmo or Maribor ? Why have Killie, St Mirren, Hearts, Dundee Utd, Celtic etc all taken points when you believe you are the best team in Scotland...Just wondering
@3; Im afraid great clubs dont enter administration.........green jhedi
God if celtic winning the league bothers you that much,what are you gonna be like if rangers go down,civil war,riots,garlar07
Oh dear, all that bitterness. Very funny that at least one person disagrees with the fact that points are only awarded when teams actually win games.
@6 are you for real!! Question your own manager first, beaten by hearts at Hampden, beaten by kilmarnock at hampden, beaten at Ibrox when you had the chance to win the league. Two old firm games easily beaten, only won at the breezeblock dome by virtue of a goal that was never given, cant recall our manager blaming the ref though.
And as for the comedy gold, will you still be laughing next week when you get beaten again by Rangers.
@10: have you considered the fact there may not be a Rangers by next Sunday? Unlikely, I know, but possible.
@10; Dont really care,the league's been won...........green jhedi
@3: if you mean Whyte, I think you should look back further for people to blame for running the club into the ground as it started years ago.
12) gj
Celtic r champions (unfortunately)
But I think it stretches it a bit to say they won it - they wer crap at the start of the season F or rest carried them for at least six games & when the problems caught up wi the Gers, the dark side started scraping through by the odd goal and a number of dubious refereeing decisions.
Why can't you just enjoy it while it lasts & keep hoping you just have to stay in front of Motherwell next year
bill72
@10..Wibblyblue questions Celtic, i mearly put it back to him about rangers winning nothing this season. Neil Lennon got the better of Walter Smith in the league last year but you have said nothing of that and celebrated winning the league. Al least we were in the Final & semi-final with a much less experienced side than rangers. Now I'll ask again..why have you won nothing this season ??
@2: you can't claim that Celtic wouldn't have won as you just don't know what would have happened if the 'goal' had been given. Celtic could have scored 5 but, like I said, we just don't know. Now take your bitterness and lock it away as it demeans you.
@7. Weelll...... ya just admitted septic isn't a great club (Hi5) because you lot were bum clenching against the wall back in the 90s ( hours from extinction ) thank feck your not a deluded tic fan GJ only decent one on here ( coming from a gers fan ), banter comin so us bears should put celtic ( WAS IN ADMINISTRATION IN THE 90S ) are shiz for example lol, graham
@17: explain when Celtic were in admin...
@Lenny, at no point have I ever been disrepectful to Mr Lennon, I have not used ant derogitory names or the like, What I have done is question his ability to manage one of the biggest clubs in the country, lets not try to hide the fact he needs to stop thinking the worlds against him, that Refs are corupt, this just whips up the fans and masks his shortfalls on the pitch. Now Mr Macoist is working under the strangest conditions ever to have met a rangers mager, he is competing with one hand tied behind his back. at times his tactics are terible but at no point is he looking to blame anyone. Now looking at the teams, Which Celtic players would I swap into the rangers side? Not that many. Rangers will get through this time in some shape or form , people will remeber how we never paid our tax and all the rest, but most will never fully totally and completly belive that Celtic would have won the title if all things had been even.
Wibblyblue.
Mr McCoist was not under the strangest pressue when you went of our both European competitions, the league cup or the double figure point lead. What about Hearts..they aren't paying players wages and are in a Cup final ? Celtic make excuses...I believe Mr McCoist has used the mother of all excuses. At least Mr Lennon comes says exactly whats omn his mind and lets face it out of both of them, who is the 'YES' man ?
@18. Well if they weren't why were they hours away from closin the doors of the San giro? ED can you clear up my OP about the tic back in the 90s , were they i administration/ liquidation or were they just about to go out of business? cheers, graham {Ed001's Note - they never entered administration, they were rescued before that happened.}
22 Apr 2012 12:16:29
only one man to blame david murray and i was a staunch supporter of him but not now also us as supporters have to remember we loved the big spending but will pay for it now. no billionaire will appear with a bottomless pit of money cause they dont want spl they want premiership or championshipand what buisnessman in their right mind would want to get involved with big tax case and wee tax case ebt its a total disaster
22 Apr 2012 11:30:51
Can someone explain this to me please, why would SDM sell rangers, who had a great team, a great manager to CW for a £1 and now when we have £135 mill in debt, bidders are offering £12 million, it just doesnt make sense? Any opinions
Ill tell you why. Its because David Murray didnt want to be culpable for the state the club is in nor be sitting at the top table or RFC at the time when HMRC find Rangers guilty of tax avoidance. So what David Murray then does is get into bed with Craig Whyte to take over the club for a nominal fee, run it into administration. The administration process itself has served as the biggest 'for sale campaign' (remembering Murray couldnt find a buyer for two years) to new bidders. Craig Whyte appoints his own administrator D&P who are working on behalf of Craig Whyte. D&P try very hard to release statements degrading Craig Whyte (in short diversion away from whom they are working on behalf of). A new bidder buys the club, Craig Whyte makes his sum for taking all the flack and beung the big bad wolf and walks off into the sunset with his pockets full. Murray is theory employed Craig Whyte to take Rangers off his hands. There in is the facts.
The quoted £135M figure is an ESTIMATE based upon the assumption Rangers lose the Big Tax Case. As there has been no ruling on that, the ACTUAL debt is therefore approx. £60M.
Looking at TBK plan, if Ticketus comes on board there £27M would be removed in full. It would HAVE to be removed in full as you cannot write off £17Mand still have the balance paid off under the conditions of a CVA. My understanding of the gelatines surrounding Ticketus would be they woud convert their debt to shares e.g. £17M and the remaining £10M would be recorded in t comany accounts as a Shareholder Loan...the repayment terms of which are negotiable between them and their fellow shareholders.
So based on my rational, the current - ACTUAL - debt of £60M reduces to £33M if Ticketus are on board with TBK. If I were Paul Murray I would be appealing to the Debenture Holders to waive any rights to a claim based on "loyalty and commtment" to the future welfare of the club. I would hope that request woud be received positively by the majority of debenture holders. If so that removes a further £8M from the debt. We now have an ACTUAL debt of £25M.
If TBK or TBK / Kennedy Come in with £12M or thereabouts offer, that suggests a CVA offering £0.50p in the £1.00 which is MASSIVE and most uncommon in CVA cases. £0.50p is significantly higher than most CVA deals.
Two additional notes.
D&P get pad in full from the pot. Therefore est assume their final bill s going to be £2M then you're down to £10M as the pot for creditors. Therefore it could be a £0.40p in the £1.00 settlement - OR - a deal is agreed with D&P to cap their on- going fees. Remember if TBK are successful in taking control of the club, they will appoint their win board with immediate effect and therefore D&P' current "full time" role significantly lessens....
An offer to D&P of approx. £12M I think makes sense....but Ticketus needs to become a PARTNER in the club.
SPM
The tax case has been lost already - the appeal result is what's on the way, which will determine how much the club owes.
3). Could you give us a link to where it says that the tax case is lost.No links to Celtic web pages please. Await.
No need #4 - what you're waiting for is the result of a first tier tribunal which is an appeal. Why would Rangers be appealing if they'd won?
This tax case lost is tosh, no it has not, more lies from no doubt the tax case.com
Ffs you have 24 hours to live , and you want facts? its over ,finished , caputt no more what you want to do is get the 5 stars tatoo off your back removed .
@6: check up on what a first-tier tribunal is - you'll find out that's it's an appeal against a tax ruling. Rangers lost the case and appealed.
@6; Lies? The guy has been ahead of the game for months. Have a look at the site and read back through the posts,you will be surprised.Rangers have accepted that 24m will have to be paid,it's fines and panalties they are appealing...........green jhedi
@8 b****cks RFC have not lost a case. RFC were hit with tax bills. They are appealing the tax bills. As part of that there are penalties and fines included. The judges could rule in part for RFC and HMRC (or one or the other) and then there is a period of time to sort out what is penalised and what is not, then the fines calculated, then the bill.
Deal already in place with SPL/SFA for Miller's deal read it and weep
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/315845/
@8: why appeal then if they've not lost? A first-tier tribunal is an appeal - look it up then write to HMRC telling them you think it's 'b****cks'. See if I care if you refuse to believe facts, just like so many other Rangers fans. Rangers definitely owe £24m - the tribunal will decide what else.
@12 is supposed to start '@10'.
22 Apr 2012 11:04:32
SPL chief executive Neil Doncaster last night refused to comment
Sunday April 22,2012
By Scottish Express Reporter
Comment Speech Bubble Have your say(1)
BILL MILLER looks to have taken another massive step towards ownership of Rangers after appearing to have cut a deal with the SPL to take a newco Ibrox club into the SPL with only limited football sanctions.
Despite the manoeuvrings from Paul Murrays Blue Knights and Brian Kennedy, the signs are that the American will be given time to flesh out his controversial incubator plan as the preferred bidder.
That involves the temporary transfer of assets Ibrox, Murray Park, players etc to a new company, but it will not mean liquidation.
The only way Millers plan can now be derailed is if either the Blue Knights or Kennedy or a combination of the two put together a more attractive proposition in the next 24 hours.
Both are working on that but need to get it in black and white to the administrators.
It all leaves Miller on his way to ownership after he and his advisors held long and detailed discussions with the SPL that appear to have resulted in an agreement of some kind that will allow the American to move forward, knowing the future will not be blighted by restrictive football punishments.
more powerfull than we thought
22 Apr 2012 07:10:38
I might be wrong but isn't now a time for change in Scottish football. The standard has slipped so much just look at the Spanish game last night how good would it be to watch football like that every week! I am a Celtic fan and I think the time is right for wholesale changes and the spl/sfa should take full advantage of the current situation to introduce wholesale sweeping changes in the way our game is run and our leagues are structured. It is the only way forward rangers have to face the full consequences of their actions then hopefully return to a major force that alone is the only way to stop fans turning their back on Scottish football and the farce it has become!
Between they two clubs the total debt is almost half a billion, what about that then?
We have a major problem in Scotland, we are a small country with a small population, and have far too many teams. Now I have argued this for many years and with our current state my argument is easily shot down, because some of the clubs I will mention have been better run than us.
Really a country of our size cannot justify 42 clubs, some attracting 300 or 400 fans.
So here we go, my plan -
Rangers, Celtic.
Edinburgh - including hearts, HIBS, Livingston
Dundee - including united, Dundee, st Johnstone, Forfar, Brechin.
North - Aberdeen, ict, Ross county, Montrose, Peterhead
Fife - Dunfermline, raith, Cowdenbeath, east fife
Renfrewshire - st mirren, Morton, qp,
Lanarkshire - Motherwell, Hamilton, Falkirk,Albion,
Ayrshire - killie, Ayr
Etc, etc
Make one area team , sell the smaller grounds, gives a cash injection all going to big club, they have pick of best players and staff.
Perhaps get one league of 16 teams, you could even involve some of the bigger junior teams who have far more support than some div 2 & 3 teams
Maybe Fife would get 20,000 fans once the situation has died down, and I know that the 300 people at Montrose yesterday or the 400 at Berwick will be up in arms at the thought of their team being no more, and believe me I know how that feels, but it is the only way to improve a product that has too many clubs and not enough fans.
I know the snipers will question whether we deserve to be there or indeed will be there
My plan is to
Since when was Falkirk in Lanarkshire?
@1 and they also owe huge sums in tax. CheltBlue
22 Apr 2012 06:42:08
Super Ally in this mornings press head down and very despondent. Genuinely fears for the worst - Liquidation and complete loss of 140year history. Very negative wording indeed. Think we're being told a message, always thought they'd use Ally to break the news :o(((
22 Apr 2012 04:21:23
Just found out that HMRC has never done a CVA with any company after a FTT.
If HMRC win FTT then it's liquidation and Assets sale.
Also, if history, titles, etc.... Can go across to Newco then obviously the punishable history goes across also; two contracts, full teams on EBTs, etc... For SFA and SPL to punish the newco. If its still Rangers then it's still Rangers!
22 Apr 2012 01:35:09
Ally tells it all in his comments to the media in the last two days, first the financial side- not much left he said. Second, when asked bout penalties- we're in no position to make demands he said. How much guilt is ally admitting to here? Just the debt we owe just now or does he know we can't win btc?
He has been non-committal til now, is he now letting the fans know the bare bones?
I think it's all over, tbk will, eventually, takeover the newCo if we're lucky, thoughts?
Did not hear what he said but according to reports it sounded like he was begging for people to go easy on Rangers,pretty embarssing stuff for dignity fc
SPL chief executive Neil Doncaster last night refused to comment
Sunday April 22,2012
By Scottish Express Reporter
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BILL MILLER looks to have taken another massive step towards ownership of Rangers after appearing to have cut a deal with the SPL to take a newco Ibrox club into the SPL with only limited football sanctions.
Despite the manoeuvrings from Paul Murray’s Blue Knights and Brian Kennedy, the signs are that the American will be given time to flesh out his controversial “incubator” plan as the preferred bidder.
That involves the temporary transfer of assets – Ibrox, Murray Park, players etc – to a new company, but it will not mean liquidation.
The only way Miller’s plan can now be derailed is if either the Blue Knights or Kennedy – or a combination of the two – put together a more attractive proposition in the next 24 hours.
Both are working on that but need to get it in black and white to the administrators.
It all leaves Miller on his way to ownership after he and his advisors held long and detailed discussions with the SPL that appear to have resulted in an agreement of some kind that will allow the American to move forward, knowing the future will not be blighted by restrictive football punishments.
GOT A FEELING THIS GUY HAS MORE FINANCIAL BACKING THAN HES LETTING ON
Blighted by restrictive punshments the world an his dog know,s rangers will be saved by that shower in charge,nudge,nudge,wink, wink,garlar07
22 Apr 2012 01:10:13
Is it just me or does anybody else get bored of this bidding nonsense. The BK are leading the chase, OH no it's NG now, wait Kennedy has decided he might be ars*d after all. But wait there's a wee woman fae govan put 20p on the table and trying to strike a deal with ticketus.
Feeling sorry for ally guys we need to know what to work with next season. SOON!