Rangers Banter Archive June 21 2012

 

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21 Jun 2012 22:53:09
Seems we will be kicked in the balls no spl next season. Why bother with a ballot next month when owners chairmen are publicly saying how they will vote.No votes are Hearts(not fan consulted) Hibs Dundee Utd Aberdeen probably St Johnstone.I for one will boycott their grounds(personal choice).Fed up being ripped off with higher ticket prices because were Rangers.Yes votes Kilmarnock.The rest? Thoughts.

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Fans always called Killie 'the wee Rangers' anyway.Well named now.Surely there must be another vote?

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It's ok you don't need to boycott spl grounds as sevco rangers won't be playing an spl team for about 4 years minimum unless it's a cup game. You might be lucky and scrape 1st division but defo no spl next year so feel free to not go to stadiums your teams not going to either.

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Think I'll be boycotting them all next season because we'll no be in the same league!

Teddy

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Agree. Looks like a couple of blue swellers coming our way.
Wouldn't it be ironic,Celtic vote for us,the rest Kilmarnock apart,vote against us.
Nothing should surprise us anymore.
Biggest irony is the "Russians" complaining about Mafioso tactics.
Although i don't think this vote is just about us. The other clubs have got the chance to escape the old firm stranglehold over the game in Scotland,Celtic's input will be diluted.
The standards of our league, already regarded as poor by the rest of the football fraternity will deteriate further for a few years as all clubs will have to tighten their belts.
This whole scenario will only lead to a diluted quality of player,and take us back to the old days,when any decent talent is stolen away for next to nothing,as clubs struggle financially.
Competition may well improve,but will the fans pay to see a diminished product on their own pitch?
The charlatans who ruined RFC,may also have kick started or increased the threat of demise to others.
It's not upto the Club's in the final analysis,just as it has always been that responsibility is down to the fans and their unwavering support. They are the only people who can save our game.
When you see it like that,theres only one option for us bears,we follow follow Newco,or we completely dissapear.
Can our game survive this?
P.O.B.

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Forget the meeting tell them to get stuffed and apply for the SFL now. The Rangers hating clubs/supporters in Scotland have got their wishes. Lets stand back and watch them start to suffer.
And before anyone else spouts that,s why no one likes you, I dont care! Why don,t you now have a long hard look at yourselves and keep repeating "sporting integrity". Absolute cr*p.
Will the same rules apply when other clubs start to suffer financially this year, I doubt it!
I agree Rangers had to be punished but how many times,fines, point deductions, transfer embargos, thrown out the SPL and we still have the EBT/SFA enquiry case.
SFL now please MR Green!

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I would not worry the fans and chairmen hated rangers (oldco) but as your sevco 5088 now they may warm to you.

hail hail

Marco1888

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Boycott? You mean you simply wont be in the league and be able to visit these clubs.

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Kilmarnock wont vote yes now...it's a foregone conclusion which way this will go...why risk a yes vote?

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You won't need to actively boycott their grounds because you won't have to go there for a few years anyway.

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"I agree Rangers had to be punished but how many times...".
Well, just the once actually so far. An unpaid fine.
Al

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21 Jun 2012 22:50:03
so three clubs so far voted against us why no just get this over and done with and drop to third division simple all the fans will come crying when the realise no rangers no old firm games no money forget spl and sfl 1 start at the bottom and work our way up the whole of scotish football is a shambles total joke this wud never happen anywer else would have been sorted by now

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Sure .Wouldn't have happened if taxes were payed and the others clubs/fans didn't feel cheated etc.etc.etc.Been said all before.Scottish football will survive with or without any one club,no matter who they are.It will just be different

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Yes it wold have been sorted...well sorted...youd have been thrown out and several people facing dire consequences. Gonny get it into your heads..no one likes you.You are NOT the peepul !! {Ed001's Note - what, like in Italy, were far worse cheating resulted in very little actual punishment after the teams appealed? Persistent match fixing resulted in minor punishments there, so you are talking nonsense.}

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It would never happen anywhere else because its never happend anywhere else ! no club has ever behaved as disgracefully as rangers have financially , and we think were guaranteed a place in the top league ??? wake up bears ! {Ed001's Note - you really have no idea, stop wasting my time with your delusions, far worse has happened in other leagues. This is just idiotic ramblings by bitter supporters of other clubs with no idea what they are talking about. It is tiresome now.}

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Yeah your right mate this fiasco would never have happened anywhere else the other fa's would have booted your club out long ago. but as we all know the sfa/spl have no balls and are spineless and are trying to pander to your every whim.

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Marco1888 {Ed001's Note - like they did in Italy with Juventus etc? Or the way Portsmouth were booted out of the English leagues for almost the exact same offences Rangers have been guilty of? Oh wait, you are talking rubbish! All FAs are spineless and toothless.}

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If its a shambles and a joke Im afraid RAngers as you where and Sevco as you are now are mainly to blame

Dannybhoy

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What a joke post.Can you not grasp that this is all your clubs fault?Murray ran up unsustainable debt levels.Whyte never paid NI or income tax or any bill that arrived and took you into administration.D&P never helped with the most ridiculous administration on record(no sackings,no transfers and indeed trying to offer cousin 15k per week!) with no cost cutting at all.Green,the only game in town,arrived and now has fans fighting amongst themselves about supporting him or not.

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21 Jun 2012 22:29:17
its time all bears cancelled sky lets starve them. Of our money see how long they last they all may think its good to see us sink but we will be back where will they be ?

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50,000 cancelled sports packages alone would equate to a 52m drop in revenue.

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Yes another nice attitude ----let them starve.How pleasant.You wonder why you're disliked?Think again.

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Sky couldnt care less if u had sky or not grow up

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Sky has over 9 million subscribers. Wisen up

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Just think if the the Scottish people all cancel their SKY if you get back into football what do you think SKY WILL DO........YOUR NOT AS POWERFULL AS YOU THINK.

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Arrogance as ussual!! yous had no consideration for scottish football when yous wanted out.... and if yous want to stop going to away games in protest i dont think many people will be that bothered anyway

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Aye thats what to do... Starve Sky and all other clubs your money... After all you have starved everyone else of there money.. The irony THATS WHAT GOT YOU IN THE POSITION YOUR IN! Id reckon if your lot had showed just a fraction of humility you might have been ok ... But yous didnt and i for one will be delighted when your playing in the 3rd division.

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Love the idea, but we don't know where we're going to be or what our finances are at present, to be honest we might not make ourselves

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You honestly think Sky will be starved if Rangers fans cancel subscriptions? It's a drop in the ocean to them.

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More threats and not a sorry in sight ,its the Sevco way

Dannybhoy

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I cancelled sky sports package today and gave my reason as the other spl clubs have provided totally inadequate opposition for years and without Rangers the thought that anyone will pay to watch st johnstone vs inverness is laughable. The sad fact is apart from Celtic the other spl teams couldnt fill their dismal stadiums even if it was free entry will a complimentary pie and bovril.

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Yeah you might as well as sky don't cover div3

so where is the money going to come from to operate ibrokes pay the players there wages as I assume you will be trying keep your top earners so shagger whittaker Davis and naismith I think are on 25,000 a wk each and normal ticket prices are about a tenner I think for div 3 and season books are about 150. so you will be charging way over the odds for your season books oh forget all that you might not have any players to play in div3 ha ha

hail hail

Marco1888

ps this sevco 5088 could be liquidated before the new season starts as you cannot transfer your share of sfa membership as old co count be liquidated for another 6-10weeks
when does the season start oooops my bad

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Sky sports package costs £20 a month. That equates to 1mil a month or 12 mil a year...not 52mil.

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That works out at £1040 a year for sky sports , i pay £180 i think ..bb

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You hit the nail on the head , sky doesn't care about scottish football when theres no old firm matches, it makes them no money they already have 9 million subscribers as you pointed out

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@6. And your teams board have never ever made any attempt to try and gain access to another league? The rest of the Spl will try to stitch things in their favour now Rangers will not be there to side with the tic. And they are making sure by keeping the newco out. Can't wait till they start ganging up on you.

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21 Jun 2012 22:19:48
It just shows you how powerful a statement that was from the CSA the other day and now a couple of days later two clubs have responded by saying no to a newco.No walks, no marches and no vile threats just a statement of intent about keeping sporting integrity in our game. Its a pity the old rangers(rip) fans didn't have that sort of clout as things might have been different.

Briggs

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Your proud you threatened and bullied them!! Sporting integrity pmsl

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What's the difference between integrity and sporting integrity?

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@1: nothing about threats or bullying from CSA in the OP.

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21 Jun 2012 21:39:35
21 June 2012
Dundee United tonight met with Supporters' groups to discuss the newco situation prior to the all club vote on the proposal to transfer Rangers share on 4th July.

Following what was a robust and constructive meeting, the Club's position on how we will vote was substantiated by the viewpoint of the various supporters groups. The meeting finished with all in agreement as to what the correct course of action would be.

The Board of Directors of Dundee United are unequivocal in the belief that a form of sporting punishment must form part of the reasoning behind any decision made and, therefore, cannot vote the newco into the SPL. General sporting integrity and, more importantly, the integrity of Scottish football must also play a significant part in the decision making process. It is our belief that any form of sporting punishment must be unambiguous in the message it displays.

The financial well being of the Club, both in the short and long term, must also be at the forefront of our thoughts. We would encourage our supporters to purchase season ticket books as a show of support to our Club. The Board of Directors will act in the best interest of Dundee United and our supporters and Scottish football on this matter. The financial consequences of not showing this support for our Club are extremely serious.

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21 Jun 2012 21:33:17
Hearts & Dundee Utd voting no - Will be interesting to see what happens when Mad Vlad doesn't pay the wages on time next season and I expected nothing less from Thompson.
Remember "the more they mow us down the stronger we grow"

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He always pays just in time though. And he pays tax etc.

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Two out of two saying NO. Nobody saying Yes.
Rangers doomed to third Division. ..meaning minimum 4 years to European football. Beggining to look like an adequate situation for a NewCo.

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Hearts and Dun Utd say NO.
Motherwell fans will say NO that's a foregone conclusion.
Celtic - NO.
Aberdeen - NO.
That's it, enough however.......
Hibs NO. St. Mirren NO ( for trying to buy them and shut them down for their SPL share). Ross County NO ( they want to stay up).

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"The more they mow....." does that come from the same source as "The more sh@t they pile on the stronger the roses" Thats gardening. Doesn't work with people.

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St johnstone have said no 2 we need to face it we wont be in spl next season and thats FACT wether people like it or not


TB

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21 Jun 2012 21:11:32
browsing the web and wondering how our club has became such a shambles,rangers have appeared on the forbes club rich list a few times in the last 6 or 7 years,it is no accident our club finds its self in this position it is clearly deliberate law breaking from individuals
its sad that people have lined there own pockets with probably millions of pounds and will most likely get away with it
the fans are the ones that are left to suffer and pick up the pieces,when we have done nothing wrong
i just hope one day all the truths will be out and we will all know why these criminal acts were done

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Rangers have appeared on the forbes club rich list a few times in the last 6 or 7 years,
Yes using the David Murray calculator
He & he alone started to kill RFC

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21 Jun 2012 18:36:00
I've been a SeasonTicket holder for over 20 years an have followed Glasgow Rangers for 35 years to stadiums in UK and all over Europe, I've ran a bus from West Lothian for last 10 years.I've spent thousands following my club. Now it stops. I'm peed off wi aw this nonsense. SDM and his crooked cronies have killed my club and I will not be following any 'Newco' .I'd rather take my grandsons to go an watch Livingston. I feel I have done nothing but line the pockets of a bunch of crooks for 20 years and as far as I'm concerned we cheated our way to a lot of these titles. Glasgow Rangers have died but I will remember them only BM (before Murray) after that ,not with pride because I am ashamed to be a Rangers supporter.
I loved Rangers, they bunch of bstrds killed them. Tam B

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Totally agree, this is not rangers anymore so you and I can't be accused of walking away as it is not rangers its a newco, only think I won't be doing is following another club.

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Well at least you common sense& realise that RFC are dead,not like the deluded in denial mob who think there still in existence,the true fans have been led astray& conned for far too long!!!!

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Its good to actually see a rangers fan seeing things for what they really are. well said.

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Op, you are the type of fan that is about football(a true fan of the game, hoped you always have behaved lol) and can use logic in your thinking, its good that you could see just what your legends have actually done. DM has killed the game to some extent by cheating and bringing an end to your club, but not just that he among others have ended the best "old firm" or derby match in the world. so it is not just "rangers" that are hurting from this because myself and many others around the world loved to watch those games(always wanted to go to one)
coming from a Celtic supporter i hope you find a club, maybe give the newco a look but hope they lose all the nestyness of the old club because with a new club it is time for fans to change aswell, but lets all hope that all the corrutpness is out of the league and Scottish football. any dodgyness from spl/sfa/refs/clubs has to be taken right out of the game, here is hoping that spl can grow into somthing better, which i think it will/can. we need a fergus mccan for Scotish football lol.

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Disagree with the initial post on one issue....Murry arguably brought rangers the success they had! 9 in a row Uefa cup finalist and who could forget the football played by the orange revolution...Gazza and Laudrup.....yes he eventually led us up a path of ruin through bad business sense/advice but he brought alot of success to rangers as well!!

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Murray bought success at the club with taxpayers money, corruption and tax evasion. If he'd lived within his means Rangers wouldn't have had the success they've had.

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21 Jun 2012 16:26:54
Can we buy an English club and kill them off to take there place-is there any rules that stop this?
Also could we not buy say St Mirren and relocate them meaning no vote required by the SPL?

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No rules regards St Mirren, way to go getting votes for new co, trample over everyone you can, now that's the Rangers way. "No one likes us..." but we'll never understand why.

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No. Yes. With what money?

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You have got to be having a laugh! Ur ignorance is nothing short off shocking! These clubs have histories, fans and everything else that goes with it! Start from the bottom and earn respect just as every other club has too do! "kill other clubs" it's people like u that makes everyone in Scotland hate u's! Ur a joke mate!

Byars

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Listen im a rangers fan and see this talk of buying clubs and shutting them down its embarassing we have to act with dignity now
take all charges on the chin and just hope the men responsible recieve a hefty punishment

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Buy St Mirren? Think there fans might have something to say about that.

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Oh dear, how sad.

You want to either kill off an English club or buy over St Mirren.

Not very nice, is it?

Mac.

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Not only is the rangers name getting up peoples noses in scotland but they have started to do it in england too with wanting to buy out an english club then take it over..... do yous really think the english are going to just sit back and let yous take over. but it is that kind of attitude that has got yous in this mess in the first place. yous are just not doing yourselfs or the rest of scottish football any favours....

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Ya right op, now why is it that ppl dont like you? everyone is against yous because your so inocent right....this post show just what "rangers" fans thinking is, DM would have loved this guy eh, you should have been on the board...wow whats next from these ppl?

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You want to be careful,everyteam in the uk has more money than rangers,and a better credit rating aswell.stay and die in scottish football.you'd be like the Man Utd for the other teams to grow.STAY IN SCOTLAND..OK

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21 Jun 2012 17:36:50
A lot of fans seem to think that we should go to the third division and get on at Green for not going down that route. The bottom line is I wonder how many of these fans will turn up versus Annan and the likes. Whatever you think of Green, and I think he has been treated grossly unfairly, he and his consortium own the club, if half the fans turn up we will be in a worse state than we are now.

Don't blame Green for our mess, blame those that are responsible. If not for Green where would we be now. I admit I would rather have "rangers men" in charge, but don't forget they all "walked away".

It is time we got behind Green and stop this distrust which is caused bt CW. Let's give him a chance, he deserves that at least.

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A bit if honesty from Green would not have gone amiss.

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They haven`t all walked away just yet.

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To the OP. Rangers as we knew them are dead. Charles Green is just another opportunist trying to make a quick buck by playing on the emotions of heartbroken supporters. Don't fall for it

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21 Jun 2012 16:57:59
Imagine if SPL chairmen miraculously voted to allow Rangers into SPL and then voted to relegate Newco to 1st division. Then Green/ Newco take SPL to court of session for breaking their own rules on punishments.( relegation not a punishment/ Rangers Newco not oldco)......and SPL try to tell Lord Glennie a deal had been done! Ha! Lol!

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21 Jun 2012 16:25:11
BBC:

"Hearts plan to vote against Rangers being allowed into the Scottish Premier League when clubs vote next month.

The company which ran Rangers until last week is soon to be liquidated and Charles Green's consortium has bought the Ibrox club's assets.

Green wants his 'newco' Rangers to replace the old one in the SPL and needs the support of seven other clubs.

Hearts owner Vladimir Romanov says "the football mafia represented by Rangers' former owners" should not gain entry.

In a lengthy statement on the Hearts website, Romanov expressed "deepest condolences'" to Rangers supporters "who have been lied to for so many years". "

I must admit, even as a Celtic fan, the irony that, of all people, it is Romanov is making these statements isn’t lost.

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Say what you want about the much demonised Romanov ,, he's consistantly argued that the game in country is corrupt and the evidence is now unexceptionable as far as rfc ( ia ) soon to be liquidated is concerned ........ his stance is most commendable but may be inconsequential considering that the likelyhood of this charade actually culminating in a vote is fanciful to say the least

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Have to agree with 1), Romanov and financial proberty lol. Strong rumours that Aberdeen also standing at the edge of the abyss, Admin looming, hmmm, twitter

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The "football mafia,represented by former owners" are not applying for entry Vladimir!!
They are long gone. Mad Vlad right enough.
P.O.B.

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Much as i like hearts as a team.mad vlad has systematically tried to ruin this club for reasons i dont know.every time hearts have looked to be set to challenge the old firm,he has sacked the manager,or sold of the best players or just not payed them.the only diference between him and murray and whyte,is they have succeeded in destroying rangers ! dd

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Rangers and their 5th column agents unsettled hearts players, poached them, turned them against hearts. Used media poodles to try and oust Romanov and even tried to takeover his club.

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@2: just t**tter rumours. Stewart Milne won't allow it to happen and he isn't exactly short of money to bail the club out if he has to.

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@6 who is building his new stadium? Milne has been tight as a hen's face with regard money.

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21 Jun 2012 16:12:35
To all the idiots who talk of building flats and shops at Ibrox: There is loads of spare land in and around Govan, at a much cheaper prices than what an Ibrox redevelopment would cost. It won't happen.

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You do seem worried though.

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21 Jun 2012 15:54:56
If you read wee Vlad's statement it looks like Hearts will be voting AGAINST Rangers for the SPL!

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21 Jun 2012 15:53:27
Everyone seems to have a say on the future of our club except us, the true Rangers fans. I have been going to Ibrox since 1955 and have never felt so much animosity as there is now.
There cannot be a fair vote when so many threats are being thrown about.
Do we deserve this feeling? As Kenny Dalglish would answer, maybe aye or maybe naw.
We are possibly being given clemency because the financial affect on these 'oh so moral clubs' would be devastating.
Personally, I would suggest that we take no tickets for away games and 'pay as we go' at Ibrox. Season tickets suit the club's owners and just look at the damage done by previous administrations.
I am a Bar 72 season ticket holder at present and am being offered the same renewal price as last year, with no European football and to play in what league?
Yes, I think that the punishments being intimated should be levied at those that caused the problem and that would be backed by all Rangers fans. For us let's go to division 3 and start again and we'll see how many teams survive. Also, if it is possible to get into another league, by the back door, then go for it.

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" For us let's go to division 3 and start again and we'll see how many teams survive "

They ALL will survive . SKY said the tv deal continues , clubs are cutting their cloth accordingly to compensate for any loss of bear buttons , a loss , i hasten to add , that could be made negligible by the purchase of a few hundred extra season tickets .

There will be no team to for you to follow follow next year . RFC are to be liquidated and the Newclub don't have the stipulated three years of accounts to be SFA members . So no SPL or SFL either . We will see who will not survive though .......

RFC

jimi88

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It is that attitude why more and more people are going against rangers..... yous think the whole of scottish football is going to crumble with yous not being in the spl.... where was this consideration when yous wanted out a few years ago when it was spoke of BOTH old firm teams leaving?? for once just accept that wrong was done, take the punishment and try and more forward bit a bit of dignity... people will respect yous for it more in the long run!!

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Accounts will be prepared showing murray and his gang for what they were. I SUPPOSE THE NEWCO SHOULD BE PUNISHED FOR THAT AS WELL. It will take more than a few hundred season tickets to replace Ranger's input to every club. Do you honestly think that Sky will go ahead at current levels, if at all, with no Rangers you had better think again.
Also, Dave King is correct when saying that investors must be involved on a non commercial basis initially and not be in it for a short term gain. If Mr Green was to commit himself to that, then every Rangers supporter would back the newco club 100%.
In other words give us your commitment for the future and we will follow, follow.

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Jimi88 what mince you berk!
SKY have said they will continue for one season without RFC and at a reduced cost.
Most clubs attendances will remain the same without a RFC only CFC will feel the real pinch when continual league champs become the norm and season tickets fall over the years. this then has reduced revenue which is needed to compete out of the euro prelim rounds. Eventually the revenue gap which is between cfc and the rest of the spl will be reduced.
Scottish football will bring your club to a lower revenue hence the reason why cfc want into the english league system- survival.
RFC's failings have isolated cfc and they will want out.

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21 Jun 2012 14:00:25
I would like to point out a couple of things that never make the papers. EBTS were not illegal and used nationwide. There is a debate if the paperwork was done properly, hence the reason for the HMRC investigation. However, all the nonsense about financial doping is ridiculous because Rangers FC did not financially benefit from theses EBTS in any way, the players did. If the total package for a player was £10million, Rangers still had to find £10million with some being paid as wages and the rest being put into an EBT. The players saved Tax and NI but Rangers were tax neutral and had to pay the same costs as employers NI to set the Trust up which I should point out was in the name of the Murray Group not Rangers. The problem is that Murray has allegedly given written assurances that if the loophole closed then RFC would be liable not the individual who benefited. I am fed up that this has not made the press and fed up with people commenting on issues that they have no clue about. No one was cheated out of tax, it was a legitimate tax avoidance scheme not tax dodging which is a huge difference. There was no cheating in my book. However, we are where we are, and I think we need to get behind the team and the newco.

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The point is though that paying that player £10m for the total package in an upfront straight forward one contract manner may have cost say £12m. Of course Rangers financially profited from it, not in a made money sense but in a lowering costs sense. That saving made the EBT dangle for the next player more possible, ie the £2m saved, and so on and so on, next thing you know 63 players have one, with everything paid above board they may have been able to afford possibly forty of those players.

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EBT's are ILLEGAL if used for wages
RFC benefited through not paying PAYE & NIC

I'll give you an example as you are not even close to correct

RFC & CFC both want to sign player A
player A wants 40k a week
CFC need to pay him 80k a week so that he clears 40k a week after PAYE & NIC
RFC officially pay player A 10k a week , which nets him 5k a week after PAYE & NIC , but then gets another 35k from the EBT

RFC avoids 35k in PAYE & NIC contributions , whilst ILLEGALLY using an EBT for salary .

This is cheating by giving RFC a financial advantage over opponents who did not use tax evasion . Its also known as financial doping .

That should be clear enough , even for a bear !!

jimi88

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You seem to be missing the "dual contract" scenario.If these side letters exist and the SFA were not informed of them then thats cheating.

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Thank goodness somebody realises what so many do not understand or do not want to understand. Thank goodness for some sanity at last, spot on.

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You keep thinkin that while real prfessionals who know about it think other wise.....ebts arelegal unless you use them in the wrong way inwhich your club did....you can make up what you want since you dont seem to want to lisen to ppl who know what they are talking about, and if your right(which your not) why is it a big deal? biggest cheats in history of football? let me gues, it is because everyone out in the world is against your dead club and that is the only reason ofr they were being runned proberly right? when will yous wake up and shed the thinking you did nothing wrong....if that were the case all the charges against yous would not be around.

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Are you mad or what,the players benifitted and Rangers did not? Dont you get it the players were only there becuse you were paying wages you could not affoard,hence the under the table loans

Dannybhoy

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What nonsense. Rangers would have to find £16.66m to give a player a net £10m plus NIC of c £1.8m.
The tax exposure was disproporionate to the business and if you play with fire don't complain when you get burned.

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The original poster is completely incorrect.

Rangers DID benefit from the use of EBTs.

Players received a higher salary in their hand through the use of EBTs than they would have if they were paid the same amount through payroll and had to pay tax and national insurance.

This meant that Rangers were able to sign players that they otherwise could not afford. Rangers would have to have paid these players a higher salary if paid through payroll, where tax and ni would be deducted, for them to receive the same amount in their hand.

So Rangers benefited financialy bhy signing players they otherwise could not afford.

By having better players they were able to win more trophies which in turn led to higher prize money. So Rangers also benefitted here.

Or if you still don't get it ask yourself this question. If it did not benefit Rangers, why did they bother doing it.

Mac.

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Guys - take the point about gaining advantage by avoiding tax payments - but let's get real and apply a bit of perspective about the scope of this advantage - by HMRCs own numbers £24m of tax was avoided over a 10 year period, an average of £2.4m per year - now remember this was the Dick Advocaat & Martin ONeill era when wage bills were massive - so getting back to my original point, the tax avoidance was wrong and should be punished, but let's not kid ourselves it was significant enough to make a difference in a football sense

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21 Jun 2012 15:11:22
Heart's owner Vladimir Romanov says Newco should not be allowed into SPL and should start from Division 3

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21 Jun 2012 14:47:01
Mr Vladimir Romanov today issued the following statement after recent revelations that have had a hugely damaging affect on the game in this country.


Mr Romanov, who has been consistent in his views since investing in Scottish football in 2005, said:

"The opinion of Heart of Midlothian FC in regards to the current situation of Scottish football is clear and robust.

"The football mafia represented by former owners of Rangers FC and Rupert Murdoch's media are to blame for some of the worst problems to hit Scottish football and must not be allowed back in under any circumstances.

"As regards the club itself, we can only express our deepest condolences to its supporters, who have been lied to for so many years.

"It had to happen sooner or later. Victories were achieved not by sporting merits, but through slander, conspiracies amongst players and their poaching via third parties, unfair pressuring of referees, who in themselves are as valuable to the fabric of football as the football stars themselves.

"All of this brought hollow victories and destroyed football. We can also mention the attempts to eliminate Hearts with the help of the tax petitions, through false accusations and threats to revoke the club license. There is a saying about digging a grave for someone: you get it for yourself …

"Without these people football will become cleaner and stronger. Without Murdoch the whole of society will improve, in particular sport and culture.

"Supporters deserve a new beginning and have to accept the fact that their club has to start from the lower league, keeping order in the SPL and without creating unfair competition with other clubs.

"As regards the pitiful state of Scottish football finances, a lot of the blame should be placed at the doors of Murdoch's media. They pay huge sums to English clubs, whilst in Scotland, where football is better supported per capita than anywhere else in Europe and there are more cable or Sky subscribers per capita than in England, clubs receive peanuts for their broadcasting rights.

"At the very least this is discrimination and protectionism for the English football product, which at the same time stunts the development of the game in Scotland, that is regarded as the cradle of football.

"I feel that it is absolutely realistic to create a company that would bring to Scottish clubs at least the same broadcasting income, and even grow it by 50-100% over the next two to three years. This company should be in the hands of Scottish clubs and work with those who want to earn money the honest way, instead of conducting business the Murdoch way.

"They have lived beyond law and all morals, and should now be declared beyond the pale. A society that allows the destruction of integrity in sport, which is a crucial part of Scottish culture, is destroying itself - and all for the benefit of a media aborigine.

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"Unfair pressure of referees".

Is that Celtic he's talking about? Was it pressure from Rangers that resulted in the SFA drafting in referees from LUXEMBOURG?!

TTG

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Good Evening Hampden! Greetings from Vilnius." "Here are the votes of the Lithuanian jury in reverse order." "Sevco - Nil points"

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Well he's all talk anyway. If he goes through opinions as he does managers then his vote is still in play.

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All very well saying better per capita for attendance and cable and sky. But the money is in the size of the crowds and numbers that have cable and sky.
I am sure there are other stats that put Scotland in a good light per capita but that doesn't bring in more money, more people does.
'media aborigine'?? tut tut slighty racist and that from a spl club owner as well.

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Well said. The decent Rangers fans should let the club die and remain proud of its achievements up to the arrival of SDM.

Tell Green and his bent henchmen to GTF and start a fans NEWCO. It will be very hard but at least you will have some pride in part of your history and be rid of the scum bags who have destroyed you and who have no interest in your club except to asset strip it.

Good luck for the future for all decent Rangers fans.

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This guy is clearly deranged, the same guy who continuously late in paying players.
The same guy who has gone through more managers, and who is accused of picking the team. He is a nutter.

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Mr Romanov may be a nutter but at least he paid our taxes,NI and PAYE last season, although a wee bit late.Thanks Vlad

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21 Jun 2012 14:02:32
The board of Motherwell FC met yesterday to discuss the vote by SPL member clubs on the question of the admission of a successor club or ‘Newco’ Rangers FC into the SPL.

The current board of Motherwell FC are not the owners of the club but are the trustees of the majority shareholding as we transition towards a fan-ownership model through the successfully launched ‘Well Society.
We are very conscious of our duties as directors to protect the financial interests of our club. The decision making on ‘Newco’ is rendered extremely difficult by the complexity of the potential scenarios and the uncertainty around the likely financial implications of all of them.

We are increasingly of the view that the uncertainties around the financial implications are substantial and negative under all likely scenarios. This is a matter of extreme regret for our club given all the work being undertaken on a strategy to help us grow sustainably as a community and family based club owned and run by our fans.

At a time we should be enjoying the club’s success on the park and development off it, we face a grave threat to the viability of our sport and our club through no fault of our own.

It is our view that in the face of this we will be best placed if we live by the spirit of the model we are seeking to achieve. We believe it is mission critical that we both listen, and are seen to have listened, to the views of our members and shareholders on whom our club relies now and for the future. Under all scenarios we need to come together as a club to see this situation through.

We will therefore hold a ballot of adult ‘Well Society Members and the small number of existing minority shareholders who have yet to join the society, on a ‘one member/shareholder-one vote’ basis. The results of the ballot will be independently audited and will be used to determine which way the club votes on 4th July.

The results of the ballot will be independently audited and will be used to determine which way the club votes on 4th July.

Ownership in any business has to mean making decisions and then dealing with the outcome. The timing for administering a ballot is not ideal, given the constraints we face but we believe it can be achieved and underpins the way we want our club to be run. Given that Society members have already parted with their cash with the purpose of having a say in the future running of the club, we believe using this group is the most practical and sustainable way for us to proceed. The final date for votes cast will be Friday 29th June 2012. All existing members can vote.

Anyone joining between now and the date of the ballot will be required to pay in full to secure a vote.
An impartial guidance document on the likely risks to club finances of each outcome will be supplied as part of the information Society members will receive in order to vote. This will be our assessment based on the information available to us at this time. In reality this analysis will never be perfect as it relies on estimates which change daily.

We look to all our members, shareholders and supporters to stand behind the club at such a pressured time for all. Motherwell fans have never been found wanting and we have to ask for their loyalty and support once again.

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Seems reasonable enough given their postion and aim of the club structure.
However their history shows that while In Administration and bottom of the league, with no deductions in 02/03, they were not demoted simply because the Falkirk in the first div did not have a stadium ready. Why the SFL and SPL did not go to the 2nd placed team, Clyde or third St Johnstone or agree ground share only they know.
Arguably that decision alone secured their financial survival and came out of Interim Admin a year later.
In 2003/2004 Thistle were demoted after going to a Tribunal as Inverness CT's stadium was not good enough but they were allowed to ground share with Aberdeen by the SPL unlike Falkirk.
'Pressured time for all'

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They should remember the position they were in and you are correct received no sanctions. The way SFA and SPL change rules to suit they better be careful they are not demoted retrospectively

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21 Jun 2012 13:43:09
Once green bought rangers i thought the guy deserved a chance but all this about buying bury it seems as if he is trying to blackmail rangers way back into the spl.

Personally i think we should accept going back to division 3 n building our way back to the spl the main problem we face is that no one will want to do bussiness with us and rightly so.
If green isnt careful of what he is doing he could be doing more damage that what whyte n murray have done.

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Blackmail....just like the old club and members did along with threats and intimidation on ppl....seems like this club will never learn or change and if those are the at the heart of a club then you should not be back at all!

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21 Jun 2012 11:58:22
Businessman linked to Rangers 'takeover' bid paid to play for Celtic

21 June 2012 10:24 BST

Stephen McKenna: The businessman claims he is interested in buying Rangers. Pic: SNS Group
A businessman linked with a takeover bid for crisis-hit Rangers once paid to play for rivals Celtic.

Stephen McKenna donated £15,000 in a charity auction in order to play for the Parkhead side in a tribute match to former player Phil O’Donnell in 2008.

Mr McKenna and Allan Stewart claim to have been "involved" in the takeover process at Rangers for the past three months.

The pair of property developers are directors of scaffolding firm Betaguard and were previously involved in Stewart and McKenna Ltd, which was wound up in 2010 by court-appointed liquidators over an unpaid tax bill.

Mr McKenna told STV that they were not launching an "immediate" bid for the club, while he declined to comment on whether any offer for the assets of the newco was worth £11m. Their firm Aleftav Ltd is being used by the businessmen in their dealings with Rangers.

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21 Jun 2012 11:53:29
Had to laugh at the fuss about Jimmy Carr and Gary Barlow tax arrangements.Not ilegal but the Prime Minister takes a dim view.Funny how when he spoke of Rangers difficulties ,he hadn't a bad word to say and wished them well.I am not being political here Ed as have no political allegience.I just think it's hardly even handed.Our own First Minister was the same- hoped it would be sorted etc.No one had much to say to Rangers but pleanty about these 'stars'

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I'm awaiting the Celtic fans campaign to have Take That stripped off all awards and number 1 hits they amassed during the time! Music Integrity and all that! haha

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You see the thing is, the gutter press, they are going to make news on these stars as you call them, however had ether of the two mentioned politicians made comment on the Rangers situation the press would have turned it into a special edition, stop the press. If it is really necessary that we boycott, then hear we should be boycotting buying these gutter papers..

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Cameron should have a look at that patronising pain in the ass"baroness" Warsi and the like.They are still all on the make.....green jhedi

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Yes ---Carr and Barlow haven't broken the law and yet it's a national shame.One of the biggest football teams did break the law and failed to pay their taxes yet little was said by our high ranking politicians(all parties)Double standards again.Yes,they thought Rangers were too big and any comment would upset too many 'voters'

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Yes #4...Welcome to the big real world!
Money..Power...Influence.
Alway's has been,always will be.
If you disagree try looking at the church,what a business model that is.
Sad but true.
P.O.B.

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@5 Well Rangers certainly had -Influence and Power.Shame about the Money.

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@1 à better idea would be to punish rangers by only allowing take that songs to be played at ibrox.

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@7 Ok that was a good comeback on my original comment! Did make me chuckle slightly! Well played big yin! Are you all boycotting your own site in favour of ours? :P

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21 Jun 2012 11:33:10
Once more Rangers PR spin doctors try to take Scottish football fans for idiots & score a huge own goal. A claim leaked to the media that Rangers want to buy Bury & play in England's Division 1 from Ibrox was immediately shot down by the English club.

It was clearly pathetic posturing ahead of the SPL July 4 vote on whether to admit the Ibrox newco- a transparent "vote for us or we are off to England" ploy.

All Rangers have done with this con trick is to further alienate Scottish clubs & fans. They really are desperate people.

Source: Brian McNally - Daily Mirror

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OP where have you been Rangers are no longer, still doesn't stop you from your continual hate posts.
One minute it's sevco 5088, then Charles Green, then The Rangers now it's Rangers again.
The story is bull confirmed by Bury.

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So it definately came from TRFC then??

who exactly??

bil72

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21 Jun 2012 11:28:57
Why do we continuously attract shady business characters?

All this talk regarding an expected joint bid from McKenna and a business partner is unbelievable.

Read his past, disqualified from being a company director for 7 years (remind you of anyone?) and as if that is not bad enough, he is a self-confessed Celtic fan.

Don't even entertain them.

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So his past bothers you a bit but fact he is possibly a celtic fan is worse in your eyes? oh thats right...you want "rangers men" to run the club. so if a russian oligarch or an arab billionaire bid for the club you wouldnt want them either! brand new club...same old bigots!

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Don't like to say it but I read a post on here last week that there was to be an 'East End' bid----spare training ground for an Eat End club.Maybe a connection?Spooky!

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@1 same old bigots, what's bigotted about not liking Celtic? Would you want a Rangers supporter in charge at Celtic Park? no, no chance.

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Its bad enough with an owner called Green let alone having a Celtic fan own us. Its not bigotry, its not sectarian, its a rivalry. Nothing more than that for a large percentage of fans, me included. CheltBlue

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Eh, jock stein, king kenny..........rid your heads of bigoted anti Celtic nonsense, maybe the guy does see a way forward for you. Ffs, it's the bitterness that does my head in, this should be a chance to redeem yourselves and come back with a new outlook and a healthier attitude, but all were getting is, naw no him, eh, no him he's a tim, no him his names green.
Bhrydo BHoy.......welcoming any supporters of the ex club rangers to come join us, and see the light. All welcome

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@4: surely if you wouldn't tolerate a Celtic fan in charge then that's bigotry in a way?

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21 Jun 2012 11:24:32
The first major sponsor to withdraw is Central Car Auctions, major financial supporters of Rangers for more than 35 years. The Glasgow-based company has a corporate box at the stadium as well as prominent signage, and is thought to invest a six-figure sum.

That will not continue while Green's consortium remains in charge, increasing the financial pressures on a group that has struggled to pull funds together. Green's investors will not put more of their own money in, since their intention is to quickly sell up, yet running costs still need to be met.

Jonathan Miller, owner of Central Car Auctions, said: "I'm not going to do sponsorship just now, because I have a fear factor about Mr Green. He's there for the sole reason of making some money, then walking away. After what's happened with Mr Whyte, it's a total embarrassment.

"I feel strongly about it. We've been sponsoring things at Ibrox for more than 35 years, boxes and we now have our signs there. We still have a contract for another year, but because of what's happened, that contract won't stand now.

"I just feel that somebody's got to do something. He's got a similar look to him as Whyte, he's just there for the money.

Herald Sport understands that a taxi firm will also withdrawing sponsorship of around £70,000

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21 Jun 2012 11:20:47
Can anyone confirm when/IF all the commercial contracts ie Catering, Merchandise etc will all be cancelled as I know Rangers sold the rights to basically everything and these would provide the chance to generate our own income again through these channels.
What about the JJb deal? Will we start making money from shirt sales?
It's a joke the new training range is out with 5 stars when we don't even know what is going to happen over the next few weeks

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The shirt deal was basically selling of the ragers shops. And a lump sum in advance for shirt merchandizing with annual top ups. In Liquidation the Shops are not going to come back to you

You will now need to find a new supplier of shirts and merchndising and a new agrrement on selling ghem. As Rangers have no cash to set up their own shops. Or manufacture new shirts and have at the moment no sponser, the whip hand is with the suppliers. I think you'll be lucky to get the same deal your already on.

As for catering the equipment in the kitchens and stalls probably belongs to the licence holders. you might be able to squeeze a bit more from them but the cost of bringing it in house would be prohibitive for a company that already has serious cash shortages

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21 Jun 2012 11:19:45
I hope this new bid gets thrown out as have you seen the picture in the sun of mckenna, no way should property developer get near our club, they would want to build houses on the albion car park and meke themselves a fortune, stay away mckenna we don't want you
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They cant get planning permission as already stated by council so toddle off

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@1; Planning is never as cut and dried as that.Lots of factors come into consideration,the fact its a run down area would work in its favour...........green jhedi

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21 Jun 2012 10:10:34
New HMRC rules on avoiding future debts could put additional pressure on Charles Green's financial running of the club over the summer.

Starting from 6 April 2012 HMRC are now able to ask employers to pay a financial security if they think there is a serious risk that the employer will not pay their PAYE tax deductions or National Insurance contributions on time.

This financial security is determined individually depending on the amount of tax at risk and would be either:

A cash deposit from the business or director – held by HMRC or paid into a joint HMRC/taxpayer bank account

A bond from an approved financial institution which is payable on demand.

HMRC have previously stated that this will not affect the vast majority of employers who pay their tax on time and in full and it will not be used for employers who are having genuine financial problems. However, it will put increased pressure on businesses already in difficulty as they will be required to raise additional funds to pay this security.

Failure to provide a security to HMRC will constitute a criminal offence, potentially leading to fines of up to £5,000.

The main target areas for HMRC are those employers who:

Deduct money from employees’ pay packets, under the pretext of paying their employees’ income tax and NICs, but have no intention of paying it to HMRC

Have a history of building up large PAYE or NIC debt

Avoid responding to HMRC’s contact attempts

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Who says green isnt gona pay jog on timmy

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That wont apply to newco though as they have no fiscal history..........green jhedi

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It would apply to Newco if it was a reincarnation of a tax avoiding entity, which it clearly is.

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21 Jun 2012 09:39:44
From the Guardian

I found this Funny

"Being a snooty, chattering classes, London-centric kind of transfer gossip column, the Mill has to adjust its stupid ironic hipster glasses, take off its stupid ironic hipster flat cap and stroke its stupid ironic hipster moustache as it ponders an entity called "the north". The Mill is pretty sure it starts just north of the M25, and is populated by polar bears, woolly mammoths and vulgar people who have never heard of star anise. But even with that scratchy knowledge, we're pretty sure Bury isn't in Scotland. And yet, today's Sun reveals that Rangers plan to buy Bury (the club, not the entire town) and play in the Football League.

"They don't know whether they will be in the SPL next season and do not want to go to the bottom of the ladder," whispers a Sun source. "Acquiring an English club would get them the foothold they have always wanted down south."

"It should be pretty easy," said a Mill source. "I've done it in Championship Manager. I started with Bury in League One and eventually we won the Champions League. I can advise Rangers on this Armenian striker you can get for 15k and he's guaranteed to get you 60 goals a season. Oh, and tell them to sign Michael Duff. Although I think that's in the 03/04 or 02/03 version of the game, so they should scout him first. And another time, I got Beerschot from the Belgian firs..." At which point, we cut off our source because other people's Championship Manager stories are incredibly dull."

Rikkisixx (Other peoples Champ Manager stories are, incredibly Dull)

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Came across this quote on another forum
Friends, Romans, Countrymen I come to
BURY Rangers, Not to Raise Them...
lol Timalloy

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21 Jun 2012 09:32:53
I’m totally shocked that I haven’t heard a peep from the good honest people of Duff and Phelps since the BBC investigation several weeks ago. Remember a certain someone called David Grier....oh yeah and the threats of legal action due to the profound lies being spouted by the Mark Daley, very strange this peaceful quiet, considering it was all nonsense! Come on Duff & Duffer we’re still waiting for the facts......... hhhmmmm where’s that bad smell coming from?

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21 Jun 2012 09:30:59
This is just observation on my part, so don't shoot it down as "Timmy Tosh".....

1. Rangers FC as we knew it still exists. It is in administration. It will soon be taken over by liquidators and liquidated. Frot hose in any doubt, Rangers FC (est. 1872) become incorporated in 1899. This means the club (est 1972) become a legal entity - it is this entity (regardless of what you call it, club or business) which is being liquidated. Unfortunately, this means Rangers will cease to exist as the club we have all known in 2012. Charles Green also stated this in response to Dave Kings call for everyone to reject the CVA. Rangers fans need to accept this, the history will cease at 2012, modified only if the SPL strip 7 titles away after the EBT debacle.

2. As a consequence, any new Rangers will start from scratch in all respects in 2012.

3. It is actually stated in the SFA articles that membership's are non transferable between clubs. What this means is that rangers FC plc (In Administration) cannot transfer its SFA membership to Servco 5088. Further, until Rangers FC plc (In Administration) is liquidated, the “new Rangers” cannot get membership as technically someone could turn up before the liquidators close it down and say “here is 100% of the cash to cover all debts, and I want the club”…this would leave them with SFA membership unless otherwise suspended (which the SFA articles don’t allow for in these circumstances). Liquidators won’t be in and finished until the season has started, so this is a serious issue. Whilst the OldCo and NewCo co-exist, there is a major issue as someone could still buy the OldCo and get monies paid to appease creditors.

4. Charles Green arrangement with the administrators (terms of his legally binding contract which led to the automatic “NewCo” route upon the CVA being rejected) relies upon rangers playing in the SPL next season. If this was not to happen, the contract can be torn up and the assets moved back to Rangers FC plc (In Administration). This would then mean the liquidators would have control of those for debt recuperation purposes.

5. The latest story of Green buying Bury and transferring its membership etc to Rangers. Non-Starter, fantasy land rubbish.

6. It is highly likely Rangers won’t be playing football next year (save more SPL and SFA rule fudges to stop suspension/expulsion for a period of time, and the hope of restructuring to make space for us after the suspension/expulsion ends). Rangers cannot, under any UEFA and FIFA rules transfer to ANY OTHER football league registered with those bodies…its Scotland, or nothing…move elsewhere, start as a minnow in that region and work up from the very bottom (i.e. semi-pro).
7. In all honesty, the whole thing is a disgrace, and it’ll get worse…just wait until the Souness EBT/Boumsong transfer comes back up….

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21 Jun 2012 08:25:20
Bury rangers? I've been wanting that to happen for a long time.

Briggs

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So your previous post along with your Celtic supporting buddies calling for sporting integrity was a cover, your real thoughts are stating to show.
It's all about football surely..............

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2) yes it is all about football .On a level playing field.

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21 Jun 2012 07:54:16
all this talk of green gona buy bury and move to england meens only that he wants rangers fans to support bury ,and another thing all this talk of we dont do walking away is a joke and me personly would rather go and look for another or no team , we realy are a laughing stock of world football and with the cheating evidance comming out are neighbours across the city has a right to be angry as i would be and so would all of the rangers support be if it was the other way around and we would be wanting heads ,but this is out of irder couse they want justice me myself after looking in to this for 5 months have came to the conclusion that yes we deserve every thing we get and this is not over by a long shot ther is more to come that is gona make us run for a corner to hide

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M8 if the name rangers is still there alot of us will support if it stays as bury none of us will support.Also what else is going to come out dual contracts EBTs we already expect this so i really dont see what else is coming.

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21 Jun 2012 07:36:18
We have now had RFC involved in EBTs and CFC with one EBT, Jimmy Carr with his scheme and Take That members involved in another scheme to the tune of £26m.
I think all of these schemes should have the people involved named eg like the following group -
A host of film investment partnerships were set up after the previous Labour government introduced new tax relief rules to encourage investment in the UK film industry.
Questions have been asked about whether some were set up as legal tax avoidance schemes, rather than specific investments in the industry.

Focus

A film investment partnership called Eclipse 35 was set up in 2005. It combined funds from 289 investors, including bankers, business people, and figures from the footballing world.
It used their money along with loans to buy the distribution rights to films, then sold the rights straight back to the studio that owned them in the first place.
Along the way it claimed large sums in tax relief on the interest paid on the loan taken out to fund the deal.
However, a tax tribunal has now barred Eclipse 35 from claiming the relief.

And to get in on the politics -

Of the 23 top executives that give high-level advice to the Prime Minister, three run businesses that moved offshore to limit their tax bills, while a further three have invested in film partnership tax schemes, which are being closely scrutinised by Revenue & Customs
Wealthy investors who lost cash in tax schemes used by footballers and rugby union stars have lost their claim for £100million in damages against the planners.

Innovator One

Hundreds of people – including ex-England goalkeeper Paul Robinson, former World Cup-winning England rugby union stars Joe Worsley and Jason Leonard as well as Celtic manager Neil Lennon – put money into technology investment schemes between 2002 and 2004.
Innovator One designed the plans so that if investors put in £20,000, they could get back £40,000 in tax relief immediately as a result of the partnerships they joined paying large sums for technology using loans from the bank.
Only Lennon, who put in £200,000 to two of the schemes, and Worsley, who put in £50,000 to one of the plans, were named in court documents as claimants.

Time for the Directors, Managers and players of clubs to be named.

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21 Jun 2012 07:32:04
A man enters Duff & Phelps, Administrators.

Mr. Green: 'Ello, I wish to register a complaint.

(no response.)

Mr. Green: 'Ello, Miss?

Administrator: What do you mean "miss"?

Mr. Green: I'm sorry, I have a cold. I wish to make a complaint!

Administrator: We're closin' for lunch.

Mr. Green: Never mind that, my lad. I wish to complain about this football club what I purchased not a week ago from this very office.

Administrator: Oh yes, the, uh, the Glaswegian Blues...What's,uh...What's wrong with them?

Mr. Green: I'll tell you what's wrong with them, my lad. They are dead, that's what's wrong with them!

Administrator: No, no, they uh,...are resting. It's the summer holidays

Mr. Green: Look, matey, I know a dead football club when I see one, and I'm looking at one right now.

Administrator: No no they are not dead, just restin'! Remarkable team, the Rangers, ay? Fine history

Mr. Green: The history don't enter into it. They were liquidated!

Administrator: Nononono, no, no! They are resting!

Mr. Green: All right then, if they are restin', Lets phone them up! (dials Ibrox ticket office) 'Ello, Ticket office! I'd like to buy tickets for all of Rangers upcoming pre-season friendlies.
What? No I am not taking the michael! No, this is not a crank call! Oh they hung up!

(Administrator pulls out SPL Fixture list for Season 2012/13)

Administrator: There, look! Next game is Kilmarnock away.

Mr. Green: That says 'Club 12'. Who are they?

Administrator: No it doesn't!

Mr. Green: Yes, it does!

Administrator: No, no, its just a printing error...

Mr. Green: (phones up McCoist) 'ELLO Alistair. Have the players turned up for training yet?
What do you mean "what players"? What do you mean "they refused to transfer to the new company"?

(Takes wedge of season tickets out of pocket and thumps them on the counter)

Look. It's the middle of June and we've sold six season tickets. SIX.

Administrator: No, no.....No, there's erm, a postal strike.

Mr. Green: A postal strike?!?

Administrator: Yeah! Everyone wants to see the teddy bears. Long waiting list.Ticket office is jammed. But you just can't get the staff. Minor administrative bottleneck.

Mr. Green: Um...now look...now look, mate, I've definitely 'ad enough of this. This football club is definitely deceased, and when I purchased it not one week
ago, you assured me that a total lack of footballing activity was due to players bein' tired and shagged out following a prolonged season.

Administrator: Well, they are..., ah..all.probably in Norway preparing for champions league qualifiers. Playing in the Fjords!

Mr. Green: Preparing in the Fjords?!?!?!? What kind of talk is that? It says in all the papers that we're out of Europe for 4 years at least!

Administrator: The Rangers don't like to travel. Get homesick for Ibrox all the time. Remarkable team, innit, squire? Lovely history!

Mr. Green: Look, I took the liberty of speaking to the manager when I got to Ibrox, and I discovered the only reason that he was there in the first place was that he had been NAILED to a desk.

(pause)

Administrator: Well, o'course he was nailed there! If I hadn't nailed Super Ally down, then
VOOM! Feeweeweewee! He'd be in the Chelsea Job by now. Or Spurs!

Mr. Green: "VOOM"?!? Mate, this guy wouldn't "voom" if you put four million volts through him! 'E's bleedin' demented!

Administrator: No no! 'E's pining! For the season ahead!

Mr. Green: 'E's not pinin'! 'E's just whining! Look -
This club is toast! They have ceased to be! They are not in the champions league, SPL or any other league! They are non-non-league! Rangers FC are an EX-football club!

(pause)

Administrator: Well, I'd better replace them, then. (he takes a quick peek behind the counter) Sorry squire, I've had a look 'round the back of the shop, and uh,
we're right out of football clubs.

Mr. Green: I see. I see, I get the picture.

Administrator: I got a slug.

(pause)

Mr. Green: Pray, does it have an SFA registration?

Administrator: Nnnnot really.

Mr. Green: Well its hardly a replacement then is it?!??!?

Administrator: N-no, I guess not. (gets ashamed, looks at his feet)

Mr. Green: Well.

(pause)

Administrator: (quietly) D'you.... d'you want to come back to my place?

Mr. Green: (looks around) Yeah, all right, sure.

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Wot a load of tosh

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Oh very funny the dead parrot sketch from Monty Python. Out and about donks ago.

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What is the point of this pile of sh*t, explanation please!

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You've far too much time on your hands.

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21 Jun 2012 06:02:13
Since the transfer window in jan and since the administration and liquidation all i have seen from rangers fans is bring back cousin novo gattuso Cuellar boyd walter smith ect ect.. I cant understand why you want all these people back who were involved in the mess the club got into. Move on take the newco and get on with it. Out with the old in with the new. Im good friends with colin stein i shall ask him at the bowls this weekend if he fancy's coming back as he is probably still better than healy.

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21 Jun 2012 03:01:50
I was just thinking. If the SFA rule against us in the dual contracts case then the punishment would be to award a 3-0 victory to our opponents in every game. That would lead to retrospective relegation to the third division as we would have lost every game since about 2002. Yet another way in which the future does not look too good. - Jaxie

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21 Jun 2012 02:49:56
I herd yesterday in Fife that Gers fans were leaving Sky in there droves as they are not supporting a league that does not want us good for them. I will b doing the same as Sky don't seem to to be supporting us other teams can greet all they like about boycotting away games it will not work as it will allow all the fans who normally cant get tickets for away games to get a ticket as the clubs will sell them to whoever wants them

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I and thousands more fellow Tim's have contacted sky to say if they pull the plug on spl due to rangers I will cancel as I've got it to watch Celtic away games so it works both ways! HH

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Are you having a laugh we already have no friends and to do this to a multi billion pound company who lets be honest run football in the uk would be folly , bet mr green doesnt cancel his sky, im not cancelling mine and im fed up with fans saying boycott this and that wtf , we have to take blame and get on all we are doing is turning everybody into hating us.
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I'm sure the ex Bears leaving in their hundreds will worry them , only leaves 9 million odd subscribers... Come on , they couldn't give a monkeys.

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HOW SAD ARE YOU! do you see what you put up....you want a buissness company such as sky to come out and say they support yous and no other club? so you want them to do the bullying,threats for yous because they are bigger......what a sad person you are, you should really lisen and think to whatyour saying, should it be renamed as sky's newco? or state that they are the main supporters of yous and that if you dont get further treatment they will be out.

you obviously dont know how a buisness works because no company would come out and say they support a club when they are in a deal that involves many clubs....your dead club really messed yous up soooo much that there is o way for you to see sense, you should just go lay down and get your mind together there, seems like alot of yous need to get help to get your mind back into the right place but with 20+years of lies and smoke and mirrors that your legends gave you and which you fell for may take alot of time to get you right.
should the rest of the world say they support you and if not you will not travel to thier places? if you think that is carzy then reread what you posted.

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21 Jun 2012 00:57:00
Just read on potential new bidders and does not make enjoyable reading.

I just cannot understand why McColl does not do a Fergus McCann and bankroll the club until back on its feet and then do share issue after a few years, and get his money back.

Last year in the rich list he was worth £800+ million,
This year over £1b. I know the reason that he has amassed this fortune is that he does not throw money away, but if you can make £200m in a year, with £800 m lready what is £20m, it really is loose change. I can't understand how you can watch your club go through this with his money. My twelve year old son asked me to buy him euro millions lottery tickets when the prize was £120m, as he wanted to save his club, and pay the debts in full. Brought a tear to my eye I can tell you. Pity Murray , Whyte etc did not have that kind of feeling for the club, hope they realise and are never allowed to forget what they have done.

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Simple answer is that only some people are passionate about football. Maybe he gives his loose change to orphanages.

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Invest in Rangers? That's why McColl has £800m and you don't.

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Naive I'm afraid.
You're asking McColl to break all the golden rules.
He'd hate himself and wouldn't be able to live with himself.

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David Murray isnt far behind on that list and hes in debt in reality. Why this condecension to the mega rich ? We need to reform football and put the fans in charge. Trouble is some of them are.mental.

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21 Jun 2012 00:36:01
News has emerged that Charles Green is looking at buying a club within the English Football League in an attempt to do what has been written off as fantasy by most: take Rangers down South.

For long, the financial differences between the football leagues of the two nations have been humongous. For instance, the team finishing bottom of the Championship will still receive more in television money than that which wins the SPL.

To that end, a move to England has always looked incredibly lucrative for Scottish clubs, in particular the Old Firm.

However, if true, it seems that Green is looking to get these wheels into motion.

It is reported that Green's preference would be to stay in the SPL sanction free, and it would appear as though this move to buy up an English outfit is merely a long-shot alternative to a drop to Division Three; a drop that would quite frankly prove financially disastrous for the club.

The rumoured target of the buy-out is League One side Bury, although their chairman, Brian Fenton, has denied any contact with neither Mr. Green, nor Rangers.

In the event that such a move would go ahead, many Rangers fans have already expressed their reservations about being responsible for the demise of a fellow footballing club, merely for their own club's gain.

In any case, this is now just paper talk, and little more...jsm

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England fa will not allow it so it really is a stupid post how many times do people need to be told this ???


Ka

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OR they could play in Cuckooland in the Alex Salmond league!

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21 Jun 2012 00:26:36
Daily Mirror have released a story stating Green's intention to buy League One side Bury and replace them with The Rangers still playing out of Ibrox.

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20 Jun 2012 23:43:55
Architects in London have a 3D model of Ibrox as a flats development for ??student accommodation??

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Ive got a 3d model of the millenium falcon doesnt mean im gonna buy one or own one.
craig+babybear

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20 Jun 2012 23:16:13
Tycoon firm goes under owing £78k as millionaire's fail to pay tax bill
Aug 1 2010 Exclusive by Norman Silvester, Sunday Mail
A FIRM run by two millionaire property developers has gone bust - owing the taxman £78,000.
Allan Stewart and Steve McKenna's empire once boasted a turnover of £134million a year.
And the pair's charity work has been supported by Tony Blair, Bill Clinton, Al Gore and Goldie Hawn.
But we told in May how one of their companies, Stewart & McKenna Ltd, was taken to court over a tax bill.
And the firm has now been put into liquidation after the cash was unpaid.
Last week insolvency experts Buchanan Roxburgh were appointed as the liquidators.
Stewart & McKenna Ltd was the first company the two men set up, in 2005.
Since then the duo, whose HQ is in Cambuslang, near Glasgow, have formed more than 20 firms.
In an interview in 2007, the partners claimed they had made £134million the previous year after selling 14,000 flats worldwide.
Last month Labour Party donors Stewart and McKenna said they had given shamed former Glasgow City Council leader Steven Purcell a job with their charity, which has built orphanages in Russia, Indonesia and Africa.
The property developers have previously denied that their empire is in trouble.
The Sunday Mail tried to contact Stewart and McKenna yesterday but they did not return our calls.

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20 Jun 2012 23:01:19
Why is it always the dodgiest people trying to buy our club i dont like it at all! Stewart & Mckenna?

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2010/08/01/tycoon-firm-goes-under-owing-78k-as-millionaire-s-fail-to-pay-tax-bill-86908-22456262/

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They're not dodgy at all actually.
Only one company finished up.

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20 Jun 2012 21:38:35
Any news on how many season tickets have actually been sold up to this point?

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Spoke to the ticket office today and they say there have been a lot renewed but not nearly as many as usual. I asked to change my seats and transfer of seats are not allowed, I was ready to pay them there and then and they wouldn't take my dosh, unbelievable

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Agree mine has already just rolled over and doesnt seem to be any major changes..
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