Rangers Banter Archive July 21 2011

 

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21 Jul 2011 23:41:27
they must count in qualifiers - since we never had jela las season

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Rapid were not knocked out in the qualifiers like utd are.
they made the group stages hence jea could not play

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It would count if Dundee utd got to the group stages, they are out so he could play for us. If u remember if Aston villa beat rapid last season Jela could have played for us in Europe, villa got pumped

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Jela played in more than just qualifiers for his former team and last season we where in the same competition

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Rapid Vienna qualified for the group stage... Scumdee Utd just got put out

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21 Jul 2011 23:19:58
Well thats it then, the deadline has passed and we have registered Lee Wallace. We are now only allowed one more player as long as they are registered 24hrs before the game.

GovanFR

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21 Jul 2011 23:11:01
idon't know if any 1s noticed the stand behind ally and lee wallace on the offical site the way the seats are done in red, WHYTE and blue way a big 54 in the middle. i must admit it looks good. w.a.t.p

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It's a card display for the fans to hold up on Saturday

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No its not its the new seats. i installed them. sorry tae burst your bubble

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And the screens are working

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21 Jul 2011 23:03:24
So what's the story with miller then ?

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Twitter stating miller is now a Cardiff player being announced tomorrow source fourth official

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21 Jul 2011 22:50:45
I'm a good friend of millers and he told me that there is only one club that he wants to play for and that is rangers as he and his family were happy in Glasgow and the move to turkey made him aware of the problems of moving clubs has on him and his family.
He said that rangers had an offer accepted at half past four this afternoon and he was heading to the southern general to get his medical hopefully before the 11 o'clock deadline

Gee man

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21 Jul 2011 22:16:53
Is it just me or is this website taking ages to load up {Ed046's Note - the website wasn't loading up for some eds and im sure some posters had trouble as well

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21 Jul 2011 22:08:26
i think the ED went to quiz night lol {Ed046's Note - they were something wrong with this website that i couldn't get on lol..

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21 Jul 2011 21:36:49
No worries now about Goodwillie being cup tied now that Utd are out of Europe......

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He wouldnt have been cup tied for the champions league anyway..if we sign him he'll still be cuptied for earopa league if thats where we end up

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No he wont coz utd got put out be4 the start of it proper do ur research

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21 Jul 2011 20:54:06
i think our action for the day is over i would like to see another striker signed before saturday but i dont no if this will happen im happy with wallace and would be good to get this bedoya in permantly before january i think our squadf is strong enough to deal with malmo (no disrespect meant)but the next round should we make it we will need a few quality signings

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21 Jul 2011 20:42:16
I think Mr Whyte has got our best interests at heart. Why jump in and pay the first price quoted if you can hold off for a week or 2 and get a better price. If I'm not wrong did hearts not want 3mill for Wallace. We held out and got him for half that. Given a bit of time I'm sure there will be more signings and maybe one that will get the fans going. NS people.

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What aload of crap u talk how do u know they wanted 3 mill yer an idiot all the wanted was 1.5mill an they got that hahah

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He's not worth 1.5 million never mind 3 million. It appears that Wallace may be a panic buy to get players in before the Thursday CL deadline.

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Agreed he isnt a mug, we have our valuation of players so why should we pay over the odds.
Wallace would have went down south next yr if we hadnt got him now, wolves were interested in him. as pish as they are they can afford to pay far higher wages. great signing

Any one notice the full back and MFs we are linked to and getting are very attack minded? makes a change eh

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I know they wanted 3mill because that's what mad Vladimir told the press ya f*d. {Ed046's Note -

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Jul 6 2011
LEE WALLACE showed just why Hearts want £3million for him as the full-back's goal sent the Jambos on their way against East Fife.
The Rangers target produced his trademark surges down the left early on before charging into the box in 42 minutes and firing a shot through a sea of legs and into the net.
Hearts boss Jim Jefferies then switched his side around with summer recruits Jamie Hamill, Mehdi Taouil and John Sutton among those subbed at the break.
New signing Danny Grainger took over from Wallace and showed he is an able deputy to the Scotland man by netting a fine free-kick in 59 minutes to double the lead.
Lithuanian winger Arvydas Novikovas sealed the win a minute later when he drilled home after David Templeton's shot had been touched on to the post by on-loan Hearts keeper Mark Ridgers.

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Rangers have already seen an offer in the region of £900,000 for the Scotland left-back rebuffed, while Wolves are understood to be willing to pay no more than £1 million as they pursue their interest in the highly-regarded 23-year-old.

Hearts are still hopeful of negotiating a new contract with Wallace, whom they consider to be worth £3 million, but manager Jim Jefferies hinted yesterday that the player would welcome a move to the English Premier League.
The scotsman. Check up past story's before you start trying to bring people down. Baw bag

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Rangers ditch plan to sign Lee Wallace as Hearts reject £1m bid and demand £3m for Scotland defender
Read the news before commenting with your pish and telling people they talk crap. Baw bag {Ed046's Note - rangers have signed Lee Wallace on a 5 year deal? i think you should 'read the news'.

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Well done ED very clever. this was an older headline from when we first went in for him. Jesus.

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These are all older headlines ED, trying to prove a point to the guy that said I was talking crap about hearts valuation.

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So u believe everything u read in papers now hahahha

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21 Jul 2011 20:24:43
bedoya is a good player a watched him on youtube and a think he will make a lot of assists and score a view goal tae its just a shame we wont have him till januray

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Once again utube made samaras look good

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21 Jul 2011 20:22:53
Right I'm a regular poster and I'm usually posting responses to absolutely ridiculous rumours making sure the people know how stupid they sound

My mate is doing some work in Glasgow airport and just facebooked saying he seen Sean-wright Phillips in the airport

My mate is a die hard Celtic fan and has no reason to lie

Now I don't for a second think he would be coming to us or the manky mob... Wages would guarantee that, just passing on the knowledge

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21 Jul 2011 19:57:09
cuellar will be the 1 wildcard signing for rangers

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Why would he be the wild card he's not fit and will not face Malmo I despair

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Why ?? moron he cant play in games anyway he is injured an out till october

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21 Jul 2011 19:27:53
Can't believe the people who are coming out and thanking Sir Ally and Mr Whyte now that we have made a few signings . 6 hours ago the people on here were asking if Whyte had the money or if Ally knew what he was doing . I for one ( Ed you can back me up here ) never thought we wouldn't make the signings . Even if we never made the signings I for one would still be cheering the Champs on come Saturday . A few signings , spine of the team on long term contracts , get a couple more players in to bulk up the squad and the stadium getting done up , the negative fans are right Mr Whyte isn't spending money

Blackwoodbear {Ed046's Note - I also never thought we wouldn't make any signings and i am glad we have got our second one and i am sure they will be more to come.

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Me anaw, faithful to the end.

Glad to see the ladies are off their period now ;-) lol. Whining wee beeyattches

Baybear

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A back up left back an a guy coming in jan aint good enough for me centre halfs an a winger we need

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I hope am wrong on this but i just have a funny feling that wallace WILL be plyed on the left wing or will be tryd there at least. just the wording on the official site that he can play left back of further up the field (i.e left wing) lets just wate n c fellow bears

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21 Jul 2011 19:24:19
ive back whyte to the hilt on here lately but i have to admit i was getting a tad worried by the lack of news regarding players coming in-looks like he was playing his cards close to his chest-wallace has ment to off rejected an epl club 2 join us he has played at cb for hearts a few times as well so he could fill in else where

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21 Jul 2011 19:23:57
Dont mean to burst peoples bubble here, but goodwullie is playing for united in a Europa League qualifier... Doubt he will be signing for the gers now. Especiallly since it will affect him playing in Europe for the gers

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As long as Dundee united get knocked out before the 1st proper round it doesn't matter he can still play when we get to the group stages

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21 Jul 2011 17:45:11
oi ed.... is this the busiest youve been?? hahahha {Ed046's Note - yes it has lol, got 20 posts all saying the same thing, but i am happy to do so as it means theres a bit of activity in the transfer market

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21 Jul 2011 16:26:32
Ibrox tours stopped at 12 to announce two new signings in press conference room. Wallace and ?

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Brad wright Phillips. Fact

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21 Jul 2011 16:26:12
Anyone Know What cuellar is Doing Still Not Signed Yet why ??

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He's on holiday ...............

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21 Jul 2011 19:04:08
Wats happening wi updates ed desperate for news on transfers b4 deadline 2nite {Ed046's Note - the posts were not uploading and i couldn't upload anyones post

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21 Jul 2011 18:57:46
hopefully this movement will stop the back biting aimed at the new owner

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21 Jul 2011 18:57:08
wallace deal is completed FREEEEDOMMMMMMMMMMM lol
andygers74

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21 Jul 2011 18:54:42
I've been listening to the football phone in and there are alot of septic fans giving their opinion on our signing of Lee Wallace today. The general point they are trying to make is we have made a panic buy and payed over the odds for a left back. I think Lee Wallace has been signed as a Left Midfielder and it's hardly a panic buy when we identified him as a potential target weeks ago. I think we may have payed more than we would have liked to secure his signature but thats the going rate nowadays.

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Its funny how hes a panic buy.. i personally think hes a proper talent and he will show it at rangers... funny how hes a panic buy...

Well if hes a panic buy and hes got 5 times more INT caps than a certain Mark Wilson.. yeah ur right total panic buy.

Usual para septic

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21 Jul 2011 18:52:38
Wallace and Bedoya have signed an Ibrox is getting a £3 million facelift YES Now all we need is Cuellar and something special in January and I'm a very happy boy

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No Cuellar....defo not coming..

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21 Jul 2011 18:52:31
wallace for £1.5 million

Is anyone able to explain why that money wasnt used to sign Kenny Miller...

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Apparently miller has snubed cardiff to join rangers

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Maybe he wants James McFadden for free?Looks the the other mob, do not want him.He is better than Lafferty up front and on the wing.And yes I know who he supports.And that should not count these days.He is a guy that could do it for us.I rate him a lot higher than Miller.He has done better in English top flight, and for Scotland.Come on Ally make it happen.He wants to come home.And you got his best football out him, when you were Scotland number two.TALK TO HIM, trust me he will not say no.

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21 Jul 2011 18:32:14
Bedoya has just signed but won't be joining till January () No much good when we need players now

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21 Jul 2011 18:30:24
bedoya looks an exciting young player , ad play him in the middle with edu because there both from the USA could link up quite nicely ;) and could see them feturing for the USA in the future

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Aye good idea as there won't be a language barrier with them both being from the USA ;-)

Baybear

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21 Jul 2011 17:31:02
Look at you all now eh c*mming in your pants Whyte is a fraudster McCoist does'nae have a clue....blah blah blah

WATP

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21 Jul 2011 17:23:53
Are any of these boys we are looking at play on the wing?
We need to make sure we have Davis through the middle.
I'm not going to predict my team for Saturday until I see who we sign.

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21 Jul 2011 17:23:04
i'm glad we're siging and going for younger targets who'll develope our club. yeah they might end up leaving in a couple year but for a nice wee profit then we'll build our empire again.

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The days of laudrups n gascoignes are gone we are now a developement club....but wer a effing good one

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21 Jul 2011 17:20:24
Bedoya is at Murray Park discussin a pre-contract, so other than Wallace i really dont see much more happnin

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Good shout mate.....deal done

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21 Jul 2011 17:09:18
Hahaha what about the sky guy interviewing davie weir there. He said I hope you get your hands on the trophy come the end of the season. Hahaha blue nose. Amazing.

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THINK HE FORGOT IT WAS GOING OUT LIVE, , LOL

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Haha your right. He started trying to back track saying "obviously for rangers supporters point of view" haha we know what you meant buddy. Quality. Cannae whack that.

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21 Jul 2011 17:03:33
Calm down my fellow bears don't you remember what Ally was as a player - yes miss one or two a game but also score one (ortiz/wallace) and then pop upwith the winner late on (???)- keep the faith bears and bearettes

Danna bear

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Good analogy

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21 Jul 2011 16:52:04
Rangers pay 1.5 million for a player who has only played 9 games since january through injury and will act as backup to Papac but wont pay 1 million for Kenny Miller who proved he can score a s**t load in the spl

i know there is no sell on profit potential with Kenny Miller but surely the money he can generate through goals in all competitions would be far greater than the resale value on some other players.

I feel we may be making a mistake not getting King Kenny backCoco

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21 Jul 2011 16:49:48
If it is true and Rangers have put bid in of 450k for Murray Davidson, you can understand why St Johnstone would reject it...Dundee Utd want 2m for Goodwillie and we have just spent 1.5m on Wallace, Murray Davidson has a Scotland cap, he's St Johnstone's best player...they'll be looking for closer to 1m. 750k should be enough to seal the deal.

He is a good talent and can only become a better player training beside Davis, McCulloch etc...

I love the excitement of an overseas players coming in but gives you a sense of pride when you see us bringing in more young Scottish players.

Bazza Bear

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Murray Davidson is a very mediocre player, and if a bid goes in, it will be 300k max.....he's in the same boat as Alan Gow.....not too bad, but defo a back up at best.

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21 Jul 2011 16:48:56
rangers should put a bid in for hutton we know what we will get from him and he would be good in champions league so a know we have whittaker but thats a bit of competition for him

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Might be the other way about. Read an article when we first put a bid in that wallace has played at CB for Hearts on a few occasions. so like whittaker could cover a few positions

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21 Jul 2011 16:34:07
Anyone else thinking the signing of wallace will mean for a more central role for papac.

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21 Jul 2011 16:23:37
RANGERS will unfurl their 54th league championship flag before Saturday's game against Hearts as the Craig Whyte/Ally McCoist era gets under way and the Club has confirmed today that £3 million is being invested in upgrading Ibrox Stadium to enhance the overall matchday experience for our supporters.

Food kiosks will be upgraded throughout the ground, the entire Govan Stand has already been refurbished, and these new facilities will offer supporters greater choice, quality and an improved service.

The Club installed a new, state-of-the art sound system during the summer that will improve the matchday atmosphere and enhance the stadium as a concert venue while further investment will go towards replacement screens later in the season.

Replacement screens have been requested by our supporters for some time and we have taken that feedback on board and they will be in place in due course.

New vinyls will be unveiled at Saturday's game reflecting an exciting start to the season and commemorating our record breaking success. These will be in place until replacement screens are installed while tributes to the Founding Fathers and the Ibrox Disaster victims will be located at a permanent site at the stadium - again the Club has listened to fan feedback on this subject.

Rangers, who won the SPL Family Champions Award last season, has also invested heavily in the Family Section of the Broomloan Stand and young supporters can now enjoy improved pre-match entertainment - which includes a matchday DJ, free face painting, prizes for children, special themed days and visits from club mascot Broxi Bear.

The Family Section will also house a new family friendly toilet facility and Rangers are the only side in Scotland to offer this service. Further improvements to the Ibrox infrastructure will continue throughout season 2011/12.

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21 Jul 2011 16:12:06
Allan smith. Still a free agent. Leeds don't want him. Good squad player. {Ed001's Note - he is not a free agent, he is available on a free, there is a huge difference because it means he is earning 60k a week if he sits tight.}

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21 Jul 2011 16:10:18
Rangers confirm an extra £3m will be invsted in Ibrox after already completing major repairs over the summer. So, that coupled with the Wallace deal has us up at £4.5m spent today and counting........

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21 Jul 2011 16:06:29
expect kyle bartley at rangers next year.i know he said he would like to stay and fight for a place at arsenal but he was only answering a question put to him by a reporter to make a headline. the day before he stated that he didnt want to be 5th or 6th choice. with arsenal having vermaelen djourou koscielny squillaci plus they have bid rejected for jagielka and interest in samba and cahill it looks like there wont be many chances of 1st team football at arsenal

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21 Jul 2011 16:05:49
If arsenal are tryi to sign Jagielka for 10mill. Where does that leave big Bartley? Hopefully rangers.

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21 Jul 2011 16:04:38
Buying Wallace has got to be considered as a panic buy because we could have offered the same amount 2 weeks ago. I wonder if there are other signings imminent ?

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Its business to try get things cheaper ye know.i think its a great buy n the lad WILL show his worth

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21 Jul 2011 16:03:28
What happened about all the talk yesterday that goodwillies case was getting dropped 2day. heard anything ed? {Ed001's Note - nope.}

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Continued till next month he's nor out of the sh*t yet

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21 Jul 2011 16:03:08
I'm in benalmadena just now and its 37c. How is that for hot news lol. Staying at the sunset beach hotel and I thought I was in roi it is full off them. The thing is 99% of them don't link themselfs to the darkside. They are man utd, Liverpool fans they don't even like the mankymob. They said they give them a bad name. LMFAO ha ha ha

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21 Jul 2011 16:00:42
im thinking now that wallace has signed.do we really need cuellar?seriously coz papac is a natural in the centre.i know ul say but wot bout cover? dnt really need it tbh we hav broadfoot.the guy gives 110% evry time he puts on the jersey.a little clumsy but he wants to prove himself so i say give the guy a chance to do it.i wud rather the money went on a classy winger or hard midfielder.we dnt need forwards we have naisy jela and the hemmings guy give him a chance.hes obv got sumthn.the best rangers striker ever has obv seen sumthn there

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21 Jul 2011 15:59:17
Im sick of hearing about cuellar i dont think i want him for the fact he's pissed about and hes injured id rather have bartley he will play for the shirt and snap the lego eater in the 1st 5 minutes As for the rest of team id like to see a decent winger such as weiss/vorhoek/estigrabbia and a half decent CM i wouldnt mind waiting till jan for a better striker i reckon naismith n jela would do this business for time being


Scott Brown (cursed name i know)

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Scott Tago would be better , , change it mate

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21 Jul 2011 15:58:35
I won't even lie, I don't know much about Wallace apart from when he has played against us. What do you fellow bears reckon? If you're pleased with this signing and/or think he's a good signing hit Agree/Believable and if ya don't hit Disagree/Unbelievable.

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Wallace is in the mould of david robertson big athletic f***er who can get up and down pitch no problem also good in the tackle

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Iv always thought this guy was the best scottish Leftback goin about.... Hopefuly he is fully over his serious knee injury he got last year playing for scotland. He has a very good engine and although i dont think he is as good defensivly as papac he is defo far better going forward... has good delivery and is brave. Ecpect him to play fullback against teams were comfortable against ie st mirren at home and expect him to play left mid in bigger tougher games. thats my tuppenceworth perhaps some fo the jam tarts out there might be give a better review cant imagine they will have wanted him out the club?

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He's young, good scottish talent, and provides cover/competition for papac. Papac may retire soon as doctors reccomend it due to his skull being f*cked. Thats why he cant sign a contract longer than a year. Would rather we spent the money on young talent who can double/triple their value with good performances rather than players like miler and cuellar, late 20's/thirties who we cannot get our money back for. miller isnt that great. competent in the scottish league. not good enough to play for glasgow rangers. and i never liked the turncoat wee c*nt.

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21 Jul 2011 15:13:58
If i was Murray Davidson and read our rumours page i would never sign, the lad is getting slagged rotten already, god give the lad a break, because no big money involved and a Scot we assume failure already, but because Danns was a few million and from England there was all this whining when we did not get him, despite the fact most of us had never heard of him.

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Some folk just like having something to complain about. personally i welcome Davidson. a young guy at St Johnston getting called up to international team must be doing something right

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A solid squad player with the attributes to progress and with better coaching and surrounded by better players he should

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Danns was a bosman

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Robert Snodgrass & Graham Dorrans... 2 names that played for the same Livi team as Murray Davidson. If you wanted to sign the pair of them now be prepared to spend £7-10m

Give the boy a chance...

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21 Jul 2011 15:13:05
However, with the signing deadline for the Malmo game tonight although they can use a wild card signing until 24 hours before next Tuesday night s first leg at Ibrox a summer of transfer frustration just continues to rumble on.

Rangers have failed in cash bids to sign Miller, Raul Rodriguez, Lee Wallace, David Goodwillie and Alejandro Bedoya.

Despite agreeing a fee of £2m with Aston Villa for Carlos Cuellar, no deal has been forced over the line.

And Bosman moves for Craig Conway, Tomer Hemed, Neil Danns and Mile Jedinak have all collapsed.

It now remains to be seen if any business is done before tonight s deadline, with a £1.6m move for Anderlecht stopper Roland Juhasz still ongoing.

American midfielder Bedoya today expressed his desire to move to Ibrox. But he is out of contract at the end of November, and Rangers may move to sign him on a pre-contract agreement which would put pressure on his club, Swedish outfit Orebro, to accept an offer now.

Bedoya said: A move to Rangers would interest me. It is a big club. It would be nice if something could happen.

My contract is up in November, but I haven t spoken to anyone about a pre-contract.

Courtesy of today's Evening Times.

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Wallace has signed

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So has Bedoya all be it later in the season subject to work permit

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21 Jul 2011 15:11:23
cardiff rumour page suggests kenny miller ready to snub them in the hope that rangers meet bursaspors valuation; and he can then return home to the champs

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Could be something in that heard hes on a plane to glasgow due at murray park at 6pm
Also heard mcfadden is at murray park now
And goodwillie will sign after dundee utds game tonigh

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21 Jul 2011 15:08:28
just searched Wikipedia for Lee Wallace's status and records, at the very top it says he now plays with Rangers, i know Rangers agree'd a price for him, but lets hope we got him :)

ps, i know not to believe everything on wiki....but i really hope we've got him

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21 Jul 2011 14:56:21
lee wallace... what a waste of limited money to spend £1.5 mill... Not worth it

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21 Jul 2011 14:44:49
Predicted team now(cover in brackets):

Macgregor(alexander)

Bougherra Weir Papac(Broadfoot)

Whittaker Wallace

Edu(ness) Mcculloch(hutton)


Davis
Naismith (fleck)

Jelavic (lafferty)

The starting 11 team here to me looks solid enough but obviously severlay lacking in cover and is presuming we sign wallace. Davidson could also be added is rumours are true. Havent included Cuellar as no idea if he will sign.

This team allows a bit of width without breaking up the midfeild and looks strong enough.

3 more signings and im confident we can win the league. CM, ST and CB required please my Whyte.

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No ortiz either?

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21 Jul 2011 14:39:56
miller has neva scored goals like last season in his whole carear, he had half a good season nd people are thinkin hes a world beater, hes a money grabber and wer better of without him, get bartley cuallar and wallace, with one more attacking option and th league wil be cuming home again. WATP

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21 Jul 2011 14:37:21
was the deadlinefor registering players for europe 11 this morning or just for next weeks game? {Ed001's Note - just the qualifier.}

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People are getting confused this champions league deadline is just for this qualifier not for the whole competition..its 11 tonight btw

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Thanks ed. and ive just realised its 11 tonight not this morning my bad {Ed001's Note - I never even noticed you said morning.}

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21 Jul 2011 14:35:25
Starting 11 v Hearts

Shagger

Whittaker Boogie Papac B/foot

Davis Edu McCulloch Ortiz

Jelavic Naismith

I expect Hearts to ask for Wallace to not be able to play saturday(If signed) If not Wallace to start
WATP

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McCulloch not suspended?

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Cannot believe so many team line ups have Edu in it , he has been a passenger for months.

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Jig's suspended

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21 Jul 2011 14:28:59
i also think that we will make another 1 or 2 signings before 11 2night so they are eligible for champions league qualifiers. Would not b surprised if we sign goodwille, but think that deal hinges on how dundee utd get on in the europa league qualifier 2nite, if they get knocked out he would still be eligible for the bears in europe

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21 Jul 2011 14:27:27
Now this is getting ridiculous, i'm on this site every 2 minutes, lol {Ed001's Note - sorry about the time it is taking to update, I changed my ISP this week and my connection keeps cutting out, usually as I am uploading the updates after typing a really long reply as well grrrrrrrr.}

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I wasn't having a dig at you ed, i'm having a dig at myself for being on here so often, lol. {Ed001's Note - I know but I saw an opportunity to apologise and to let my frustration out. They say it can take up to 10 days for the connection to settle down, I doubt my computer will survive that long if it does!}

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21 Jul 2011 14:05:32
I'm not really getting the approach to transfers. Spending around £1.5 million on a position which is not a priority and on a player who has only made a handful of appearances over the last year. However, when it comes to the positions we actually require i.e CB, Winger, CM and CF we are bidding next to nothing. Just not getting the motive behind some of these moves as that Verhoek is supposed to have been one of the best players in the Dutch League, Don't know much about Bedoya, Cuellar we cant do much about just now and for whatever reason we won't come up with an extra 400-500k for Miller. End of the day I take the point that Miller was sold for 400k and they don't want to pay more than this but his goals contributed to the league title and at least we know what we would be buying. The money we saved on his wages (around 15k per week) since he was sold and the fee received almost make the £800k they are looking for no technically no loss. Can't really blame Bursaspor for wanting to recover some of the 50k pw they have paid him for 6 months + the fee they paid when he didn't really help their quest for the title? Time to get the priorities sorted Rangers. A left back is not required this season....save it for next season and sign players for the positions we need for the first team. Looks like Whyte is penny wise and pound foolish from this angle

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Dont forget that papac is naturally a center back i can see wallace being slotted into left back so that papac can play his natural position

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Here we go, player being knocked before he signs, get a grip. And you are obviously no accountant with the logic we did not pay his wages so we can afford to offer the 800k we would have paid him, what a load of BS. We did not pay his wages because he left us to win the league without him.

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So because Bursapor CHOSE to pay him 50k a week and HE DID NOT WIN THE TITLE FOR THEM we should pay for it, get real.

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21 Jul 2011 14:05:27
Murray Davidson and Lee Wallace? Is that the best we can de before a CHAMPIONS LEAGUE deadline, its laughable. So much for the signing that would make us go WOW Total let down as usual

There is nothing concrete about Murray Davidson and as far Lee Wallace he is a good player. Some so called "fans" are never pleased.

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Totally agree with Wallace is a good player and WILL do a real good job for us. If he had been from some obscure European country and we had never heard of him there would have been lots of WOWS.

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21 Jul 2011 14:04:12
Murray Davidson is a cracking young player, might not sound much from St. Johnstone (no disrespect) but he is truly an up and coming young Scottish player and Lee Wallace if fit is a great player as we all already know. That's more like it Rangers.

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21 Jul 2011 14:03:02
who thinks rangers will sign goodwillie today

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Can't see it, still waiting on court case and won't be eligible for malmo game.

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21 Jul 2011 14:02:02
Get in wallace at murray park for medical. Supposedly him and davidson have same agent and hes there too.

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21 Jul 2011 14:00:14
Ed, does anyone know whats happening with Carlos Cuellar? {Ed001's Note - as far as I am aware nothing is happening with him right now due to his injury. He is having treatment and considering his future but nothing concrete as far as I can find out.}

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21 Jul 2011 13:59:48
Rangers agree fee for Wallace

Rangers have had a bid of around £1.5million accepted by Hearts for full-back Lee Wallace.

The SPL champions have been chasing Wallace all summer and have seen two bids for the Scotland international previously rejected by Hearts.

Rangers have now come back with a third bid and Hearts have now reluctantly accepted the offer.

The 23-year-old has now been given permission to travel to Glasgow to hold talks with Rangers and undergo a medical.

Hearts were hoping to tie down Wallace to a new deal, but it appears he will be on his way out of Tynecastle for Ibrox.

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21 Jul 2011 13:45:28
£1.5M for an average left back with a year left on his contract and we wont pay £880k for last years SPL top scorer. The clubs gone mad

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It is all about age and sell on fees , club aint gone mad , miller worth nothing in couple years, wallace could easy double or triple in value , how much did hutton go for?

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21 Jul 2011 13:40:03
Quite happy at Hearts accepting our bid for Wallace. Good young player with bags of potential. People will ask if we really need a left back but i reckon Ally will be signing him to play him Left Mid. Powerfull runner and comfertable on the ball. Hopefully we can get that one through ASAP. Three more signings still required but.

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21 Jul 2011 13:35:46
I don't mind if we sign Wallace but at the same time he knows Rangers are getting a bit desperate & could hold them to ransom re wages, just a thought.

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Risky game to play has whyte not proved now that he wont be held to ransom, i am actually happy he is being tight with the money dont wanna do another le guen or end up like leeds

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21 Jul 2011 13:57:29
One of the theorys going around is that rangers wont be signing in dribs and drabs, it will be same day announcments

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21 Jul 2011 13:55:14
Right so the season starts on Saturday. Can all fans please support the team, especially Edu. Last season some people destroyed his confidence, he has been away playing for the USA and looks to have it back, please don't put pressure on him. If he loses the ball I'm sure he doesn't need 50,000 fans shouting at him. Give him a chance.

GovanFR

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Edu came back from injury too quick as we needed him, and all he got was abuse for it

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Good shout GovanFR Ally and the lads deserve our backing here we go 4 in a row

Billyboy1

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21 Jul 2011 13:31:06
Come on the teddy bears Mr whyte has stepped up and paid, good lad CW, keep it going Cuellar next..... and the hungarian

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21 Jul 2011 13:30:35
wallace will be a good signing and will be best left back in scotland......oh sorry i forgot, the honduran Messi plays across the city.
lets hope we get the dutch guy and a centre back in too.

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21 Jul 2011 13:26:19
What a great signing if we get Lee Wallace from hearts, only 23 and bags of potential, brilliant left back, gives Papac a wee rest

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Maybe even lets Papac go to his natural CB position on occasion

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21 Jul 2011 13:11:07
I must say, I'm glad that we've got the ball moving. Its been a long frustrating summer. Wallace will be a great signing.
If we can get Cuellar, bartley and Goodwillie in, I can see us being a force to be reckoned with.

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21 Jul 2011 13:10:23
Murray Davidson and Lee Wallace? Is that the best we can de before a CHAMPIONS LEAGUE deadline, its laughable. So much for the signing that would make us go WOW Total let down as usual

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Must be manky mob posting this

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Its only the deadline for the qualifiers Not the whole champions leaguel

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21 Jul 2011 13:07:37
Lets hope theres a few more to follow before tonight

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21 Jul 2011 13:06:56
So Wallace and Davidson are set to sign before the deadline. They may turn out to be very good signings but i was expecting the Cuellars and the Bartleys....

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21 Jul 2011 13:02:13
i seen a video of ally speaking and he said they are going to sign a player they have went away from the past few days im hopefull it is wesley verhoek we have spent 4m when we were in debt he would cost 2.5m witch is a GOOD buy he is faster than weiss

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Wot was the video? ballymore series 1 lol

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21 Jul 2011 12:58:43
i have a wee feeling that we will make a few signings before the close of play today in time for the cl qualifier

also not sure about this but i read in the times last night that we can make a wildcard signing upto 24 hrs before the game, could you shed any light on theis ED? {Ed001's Note - yes you can.}

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21 Jul 2011 12:51:49
hearts have accepted a bid for wallace, but a still dont think a left back is priority we seriously need players for the champions league qualifying is a must

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21 Jul 2011 12:46:44
Rangers having bids accepted for Lee Wallace and Murray Davidson Looks as though Ally is looking to mould a team of up and coming Scottish talent to go with the established and experienced players already at the club. With these events taking place today it would not surprise if an improved bid for David Goodwillie is next up.

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21 Jul 2011 12:46:16
Lee Wallace on his way to rangers. Mad vlad finally selling to us 1.5 million Confirmed Stv.
BGRFC

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21 Jul 2011 12:43:34
So Hearts will sell to Rangers ed031? Haha, I'm only kidding. Anyone else think this is a chronic waste of £1.5 million? He is in the final year of his contract and we already have a LB. We need CBs and wingers and forwards.

GovanFR

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Nope, he is a good attatcking full back, would give us the option of moving sasa inside play a back 3, bit dodgy only having one proper left back and papac is only on a one year contact will prob retire at the end of season because of recurring concusion.

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I think that wallace will either cover papac or will start with papac playing or covering cb.

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We could of waited 6 month then signed him on a pre contract think there tryin to apease fans hear but lb not priority we need a cb cf am

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21 Jul 2011 12:42:44
absolutely ridiculous why pay that for Lee Wallace who we dont need and not pay the Miller money ?

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Do we need Miller ?, won the league last year without him, jelavic lafferty and naismith formed a great front line, have the up and coming hemmings, a fit Healy and don't laugh even Beattie can score goals in the SPL. If theres still money left at the end of the window and the court case is dropped Goodwillie will probably sign.

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Miller scored 20 in half a season no chance you would have won the league without him

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21 Jul 2011 12:37:37
so now that another bid has been accepted are people going to get off the backs of white and ally

prob not cos most of the ficke people on here posting crap are just the stank lifters from the east end at the wind up cos they have nothing esle to do

in ally we trust

keep the faith {Ed001's Note - it is the same on every club's site, people are fickle and have no patience. It is saddening.}

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Hey ed, how do you know he meant fickle ? he could have meant thick with an "f" but maybe he's just stoopid, lol. {Ed001's Note - I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt and also point out that it is not about opposing fans, there are just a lot of people out there desperate to throw their toys out of their prams at every possible opportunity. There is a lot of people on every site that think any signing, other than Messi, is a disgrace and a load of crap. Some people are just never happy.}

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21 Jul 2011 12:35:03
We need to get Eremenko. The guy would give us options in the midfield and is more mobile than big lee and edu.

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21 Jul 2011 12:32:46
Just read Big Mark H in the Record today. He has a REAL go at Whyte He still has good connections at Ibrox and with Ally in particular. I don't think he would suggest that Whyte is not backing him unless he was sure this was the case... in fact he may well be the managers outlet to the media. I would love to think Whyte is a great poker player and has a list of 4 or 5 good players lined up before the end of August but to be honest, it's too big a gamble to lose the CL money and if we don't sign up at least 2 or 3 of these good players TODAY they wont be able to help us through the qualifier... don't understand WHAT he's playing at

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Sorry Hateley, is a media whore, his friends at Ibrox are all part of Old Brigade .
Sounds like he's thrown the dummy oot the pram, because he's not on the gravy train anymore ?
His article is full of mistakes
NO way would Conway have signed for Rangers
Most of the others, it was Wages that blew the deals not the asking prices.

Stick to posing in front of the camera Mark and writing for our enemies.

BF

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21 Jul 2011 12:24:41
What people need to remember aswell, the Rangers players have heard we will bring new faces in but they will be disillusioned & probably Davis, Mcgregor etc have been given assurances about players coming, before they signed new contracts.

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21 Jul 2011 12:19:17
Miller due in cardiff for medical today.

Will be a cardiff player tonight unless rangers match cardiffs bid of 700k.

why cant rangers just pay that, they got almost 900k for the charlie adam deal that they probably never EVER would have expected to get because not a single person would have thought adam would have done as well as he has done.

GET THE FUC***G FINGER OUR WHYTE

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21 Jul 2011 12:17:12
Mr whyte what the f##k you playing at he promised us money to spend and signings will be made before the cl deadline your a lier by the signs of it should of given bursa the money they asked for miller will score goals what if jelavic gets injured who we got? Your a joke mr whyte

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And when is the deadline? numpty

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21 Jul 2011 12:17:16
players win games.fans win championships and whyte and mccoist make false promises and lies here we go again more bulls..te.

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Ally McCoists not to blame, he's been led on the same as everyone else. Nobody should bring his intentions into question.

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21 Jul 2011 12:09:27
Murray Davidson, lmfao, now try telling me this isn't panic buying, this is becoming a joke.

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This isn't a panic buy. That wasn't so hard.

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He looks a good young prospect plenty of premier leagues experience has a scotland cap and is only 22, will be a good squad player and one for the future.

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Panic buying we huv been looking at the guy since january get yer heid out the clouds

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It isn't a panic buy, lol, don't make me laugh muppet, what does this say to our younger players & for the price iv'e read being quoted £1.5m, wtf, we could bring in 2 players for that, so in future, just keep your stupid wise cracks to yourself.

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Not a panic buy, it's about time we started to sign the younger talents from the SPL.

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Been linked with murray davidson for over a month how can that be panic buy?

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21 Jul 2011 12:01:26
I reckon they know cuellars NOT coming and they are just waiting for the right time to break the news I bet if you could find a source close to cuellar you, ll find this to be true Amigoes buenos notchas ya b.....

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Im not keen o cuellar m8 hes injured and it lookes hes goin 2 spain i would put that mony towards the signing of wesley verhoek as it looks we are set to sign the hungarian guy wallace nd davidson

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21 Jul 2011 11:48:46
Rangers are in advanced talks to sign Murray Davidson from st Johnston

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21 Jul 2011 11:35:50
wee spent more money when the bank was in control.fact, the team is good enough without additions , injuries are the problem.big basher

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21 Jul 2011 11:34:41
whyte wants players who can play in 11 potions and a second trade in roofing or painting and decorating..to save getting the contractors in at ibrox ....he wants all he can get out of his pound .....

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No fuc**ng wonder after the shambles that the last board got us in. Playing the long game is the way forward.

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21 Jul 2011 11:24:00
Well Well Well, the message is finaly sinking getting through to all you dreamers.
You may remember me saying on here a few days ago that Miller was going to England, Now tell me its not all about money with him Of course it is, thats why we dont need or should want his type of footballer, Players who play for the jersey, Players who want to win leagues, cups and play in Europe are what we need, surely thats enough incentive to join a great club like we have, A club with a great tradition, a club with loyal supporters, a club who has always had ambition, and certainly a club who know that winning is important to their fans, we have the world record for leagues won, enough said.
So if all these so called players we have approached or been linked with Rangers dont want to come, well its their loss, let them fight week in week out for scraps, relagation, and to most of them nothing at the end of a season, We deserve better for our team and we will get it, Maybe, just maybe Our Mr Whyte wants the same, no one buys into a business and wants it to fail, that does'nt look good on his CV does it.
Let just see what happens here, one thing a can assure you from a very reliable source is that Mr Whyte is as shrewd as they come with a good business head on his shoulder and he honestly hates losing and coming second best, well he is a Rangers fanatic. Now where were we Oh yes players coming to Rangers. Enough of all the bull, who do we really want that can do a job for us and not cost the earth, who can we get in time, and who has made it clear they want to play for a team who want success. Cardiff and Miller go well together...Losers. Cardiff fighting for points to save themselves and Miller fighting for his place. Lets see a list of the players that are available, do they fit the criteria I list above and lets hope someone at Ibrox is reading this, and if so get your finger out and give the loyal fans a team to be proud of. WATP.

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You're Keith Jackson right?

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Rangers couldn't meet the asking price, Kenny Miller was never given the option to re-join. Its got nothing to do with the player, Rangers and Whyte ultimately are the reason he won't be back. Jerseys and loyalty have got nothin to do with it.

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What an idiot. Rangers never met the asking
price and secondly whyte a fanatic never
seen him at lbrox no one had heard of him
before. Totally DISGUSTED.

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Millers away to wales. So well well well, you were wrong.



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No player "plays for the jersey" its their job fair play to them for trying to get the most money out of it

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Miller would have signed within our pay structure acch well just have to do with lee wallace on way to murray park now Guess timothy coudnt get shot of issagayguy or they would have bought him any word on the sale of kayal to bolton they still only offering £2mill just thot ad ask as more PIKEYS than bears on this page

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You guys live in disneyland, you telling me Rangers coudnt afford £700,000, They have £900,000 from the Charlie Adam sell on, why not use that, Rangers bid £400,000 but dont you lot think wages are mentioned during all this, Miller was not interested in the wages Rangers had to offer, even if they upped their original bid, thats why there has been no raise in the bid, And as for Whyte, you never heard of him, you must sleep a lot, he has been a Rangers fan since he was young, As for Miller going to Wales, and where do they play their football, Unless they have moved England into Wales then I suggest you go back to School, of course you didnt read my original Text on Monday, I said Miller would go to the English league, I said Cuellar would most likely go to Spain as he had to think of his family and what they wanted, That Bartley would sign, and a big name player, not linked with the club as yet would sign, Watch this space but please dont talk bull. MITK

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21 Jul 2011 11:21:40
We have £10-15million to spend. We bought Ortiz £500k we wont shell out £1 million for Miller who scores goals for fun, we wont buy Raul Rodriguez (23) for around a million. I understand the Goodwillie situation. There's still no progress with Cuellar and it seems like players are being advised not to join us and the season starts Saturday. anyone else a bit worried?

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Rodriguez is unproven and not worth 1 mil

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Miller doesnt score goals for fun hes only scored more than 15 goals in one season once in his career

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21 Jul 2011 11:21:25
Murray Davidson will sign today. Hope this isnt the big name signing we have been waiting for

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21 Jul 2011 11:18:34
I have a very good source that Rangers are in talks with a mystery player, oh wait it's the invisible man, get the finger out now Whyte, or face a backlash.

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21 Jul 2011 11:07:37
Stop waisting our time on miller get some one younger in like
Goodwillie(1.75m)
bedoya(900k)
bartley(loan)
and another winger for more depth come on ally
and also has whyte actually got money?

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21 Jul 2011 11:01:05
hello Gers fans im sorry im actually done with this , so sick and tired of the same thing < people posting unreal rumors although it is a rumor page comon people just do it for the sake of having a bit of writing on the internet , anyway WHYTE show us Money what we got promised , all of us Rangers fans 'best fans in the world' > as you say < well treat us like that we are sick of poor bids all the timne although i agree with the wallace one < miller and goodwillie are worth the prices being asked so sick of bids rejected and players picking itailian 2nd division teams over us , show us the MONEY WATP

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21 Jul 2011 11:00:09
good luck to dundee utd tonight
from a rangers fan

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21 Jul 2011 10:48:12
everyone has said all window "we'll sign 2 players tomorrow or we'll sign 2 player by the weekend yet none of these players ever sign" so take yer pish elsewhere

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Well it was Mcoist and Whyte that said that originally

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21 Jul 2011 11:10:50
Us bears need to appreciate what whyte has done, last few seasons we sold important players for hundreds and thousands, rangers were that wee club that everyone pushed about including FIFA with their sectarianist ban this year. Whyte has already cleared our debt, stood up for us in interviews etc saying we aren't the only team and arent the worst. Hes signed on important players on long term contracts and I don't think he would let a first team player be sold unless it's what we value not like bursaspor who valued Whitaker and miller at hundreds of thousands. And we need to stick together there's still over a month left for transfers we all seemed happier when we were in 30 million of debt? come on we are cleared of debt the future is bright and the sky is blue and whyte

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I wish people would get over the impression that Rangers are clear of Debt, Its a myth, The Debt was bought by Mr Whyte. I have no idea what his intentions were when he bought It but I can assure you he will be looking for repayment on that debt and almost definitely a profit. the guy is not a football man, he's a business man.

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21 Jul 2011 10:31:47
To people still going on about Whyte having no money...

McCoist said after the Linfield game that we were talking to between 5-7 players, meaning bids had been accepted.
Including £2m for Cuellar, who-knows-how-much for the others, as well as higher wages and SIGNING ON FEES for Weir, McGregor, Whitts, Naismith, Davis... Don't think they would have signed that for nothing.

There is money there - but we have spent a lot or have a chunk of that already set aside for current negotiations.

So lets all look forward to another day of BS rumours, Celtic fans starting BS and apparent Rangers "fans" spitting the dummy out.

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We need players for the champions league if he was talking to that many players how have we not signed at least 1 of them, its a joke

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That's not strictly true. Aslong as the players club gives the ok, you are perfectly entitled to speak to a player before any bids have been made. These talks are used to enquire how interested the player is in making the move and what kind of wages he would be wanting. Plenty of teams have agreed terms with players only for the deal to fall apart when the teams haven't been able to negotiate.

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21 Jul 2011 10:27:52
On a lighter note, what about that Celtic away strip? And Commons fit tae burst out of it? Is that not one of the worst strips you've seen?

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Looks like a version of 24hr PJs bout the only thing ave agreed with on here for 2 days

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As a Celtic fan i actually quite like the away strip, it's far better than that horrible tiger stripe 3rd kit. However it could be doing with being abit looser. It'll look like a 2nd skin on some of our larger guys...thank god Big John never had to wear it.

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A fat commons is still going to get more than laugherty, naismith, beattie and healy

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Admittedly bumble bee strip was an eyesore and was worse but this one deffo has a look of PYJAMMAS about it nite nite

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21 Jul 2011 10:27:03
all of you of so called fans slagging your team just cus they havent signed anyone arent fans..you havent got any faith in the team thats delivered you the title 3 years in a row against all odds..it took all of last summer to sign Jelavic and look how good hes turned out to be..have patience your honestly worse than women

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Are u lot forgetting that the season starts on SATURDAY. By the time the 31st of August comes round, we could be way behind in the title race. (Im not sayin we will but its not impossible.) So that more than anything is why players need to be signed NOW.

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21 Jul 2011 10:26:34
Is everyone on suicide watch on here? I mean come on we are basically starting the season with the same size of squad we had at the start of last season. Whats with all the panic we should be able to win our first few games including Malmo with the team we have. There is still about 6 weeks till the window closes plenty of time to get players in. We are the champions and if it wasn't for Craig Whyte Davis, Jela, Naisy, Bougy and save the best till last McGregor would all be gone. It should be the opposite of doom and gloom on here we are unfurling the league flag on Saturday after all lets get behind the Gers WATP. In McCoist I Trust.

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Yeeehee billyboy its all fun fun fun all the way here if that lot dont get there fingers out we wont be unfurling anything but runners up flags for the foresseeable futureyyyeeeeeehhhaaa cmon the gers lets see the money honey.piaffed (edith)

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21 Jul 2011 10:17:56
On the business of Mr White and his intentions, i wish to say there are more questions than answers.The questions he might not like and the answers we may not like. I ask you this will Mr White change the name of Ibrox to Never Never Land.

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21 Jul 2011 09:55:33
would Ally please come forward and answer this, , where and who were the two players he said would sign last weekend, , if they signed for another club so be it, , but please keep us truthfully informed thats all we ask, , thank you.

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21 Jul 2011 10:03:08
watched Cardiff v Septic last night and both teams looked carp

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21 Jul 2011 09:53:13
The panic on here is sickening. On Saturday, with the exception of Lafferty, I m pretty certain we can start with the same 11 that won 9 and drew 1 in the last 10 games of last season, conceding just a single goal and putting quite a few away ourselves. Am I the only one remembering that? The transfer window still has a whole month to run.

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21 Jul 2011 09:50:30
if we start league with new players and the settle straight away, it will be egg in all your faces haha just wait for god sake and be patient.

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21 Jul 2011 09:44:10
To all fellow bears, whats all the clamour about getting King Carlos back right away? He is injured and wont be back until end of august

Goodwillie is a no brainer at present, why spend £2m on a player who could realistically get banged up for the "alleged" rape case?

And how many times over recent season have we seen our signing "targets" been published all over the papers, only to be gazumped by Celtic or others? Loovens and Brown spring to mind, and lets be honest, they are hardly a big loss are they??

On the signing front, and sources being Darren Cole and Big Kyle(both who bet in the ladbrokes i use in Milhngavie), Although Ally is disappointed in not getting more players in before tonights deadline for Next weeks qualifying round, he believes we have enough quality to go through. But there are signings in the pipeline and one is an alleged Marquee signing, either on loan or bought.

And to all these people who say my cousin works as youth team coach or my mum does the dishes at Murray Park, do you honestly think Ally, Kenny, Durranty, Gordon Smith or Craig White go about telling current non playing staff about their signing targets?? they dont even tell the players but may intimate that they are in the market, as they have done publically to the players, but wont say specific names unless bids have been lodged

Just have patience Guys, we have been Champs 3 in a row with the backbone of this squad, lets have some faith Whats your thoughts Ed? {Ed003's Note - I agree,everyone should chill and have some patience}

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Suggest you give them a few duff tips back = Wallace/ Davidson and AN Other to sign before 11pm

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21 Jul 2011 09:39:35
we will only sign players if they can play in more than 3 potions and under 1m.........

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Remind me again how much villa accepted for cueller ... you that guy that only plays CB and at a push RB ?

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21 Jul 2011 09:30:26
Will everyone lay off Whyte, let's not forget what this guy has done.

Before Mr Whyte arrived went through 4-5 transfer windows and bought one player because of a massive debt along with selling every possible asset at the club and times were bleak.

This guy has came in cleared the debt and said that money is available to spend. It may not be a lot that we can spend but money is there but at least we are looking at players not just watching from afar.

But let's not forget the biggest thing that he has done for our club, he has signed up McGregor ( one of the best keepers in Britain if not Europe) on a long term deal and now has Davis signed up for another 5years. I would gladly have these 2 players signed up on long deals as they know what the club is all about and will give the heart and soul for the club. The easy option would have been to cash in on both of these players and bring in unknowns.

Everyone needs to take a step back and give them time to get the right players in plus don't forget both Whyte & McCoist are new to this so it might have seemed easy 2 months ago but now its down to the nitty gritty it's obviously a lot harder than they expected.

Give them time and let them deliver 4-in-a-row

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What exactly has whyte done. He's secured long term deals for players but he also now owns the clubs debt which as a shrewd businessman I 'm sure he will look to recover. The last regime were forced to sell assets to manage the debt so what makes you think that this same process will not be used to repay the debt this time, at the end of the day these players would not generate as much income on lesser contracts so thats the reason they were offered extensions. I think the players linked with Rangers were purely to give the fans the impression that they were active in the transfer market. why bid for KM knowing that your offer was less than Cardiffs, and when they do meet teams valuations the personal terms offered are well below what the players want. Its smokescreens and mirrors. You say their new to this and Its harder than expected. I think in the KM case common sense would say if you don't make the best offer you don't get the player, theres nothing hard to understand about that and you don't have to be a businessman to get It.

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Surely the players ally has already went for would have been his 1st choice and in your words the "right players" and we couldnt get them. I took a step back and watched them all go elsewhere. Its time for my whyte to deliver on his promises...

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Wake up the only reason these players have been put on long term deals is to make sure of a larger transfer deal. Whyte has money company is called Tixway but he doesnt want super ally as manager, When it was reported about 6 months ago that he was interested in club it was also reported he wanted Alan Irvine as manager (remember thinking WTF? ) Searched for article but could not find was on cauht-offside but dont know how to get the older articles. The more I think of it the more it makes me cringe as its beginning to look like SUPERALLY is being set up to fail naming targets but Whyte making sure they wont come or their clubs wont sell fear the worst and wish Ally all the best he will need it without the backing of the owner I honest admire Ally because lesser men would have walked by now and no matter what happens he will always be a legend

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21 Jul 2011 09:28:02
Very concerned Bluenose

I have had mixed views on Craig Whyte since the takeover, this is now what I think is going to happen at our club after doing research and reading different articles on Craig Whyte.

Did anyone see the program on Channel 4 last week called "how to buy a football club"? Very interesting program. If you did see it you will know why I am concerned. In England there are lots of clubs in the championship that are owned by unheard of people from Asia, these people do not have the best interests of the club at heart. What is their strategy? Buy a championshsip club in serious debt for a fraction of their worth and sell them on once in the EPL for 10 times what they paid for them. Names include - Pompy - we know what happened to them, Leceister, Leeds and many more. There were also a few in EPL like the dodgy folk who own Birmingham etc. Why would someone want to buy Rangers? We cant get to the riches of another division, we are peaking financially in the CL etc. The way that our takeover was structured, ie a holding company owns the club and the debt was transferred to it - not paid. This is exactly the way that these dodgy guys were talking about buying other English teams.

These people were saying that they wont be the public face of the club, they find a "suitable" person the fans will accept as one of their own, whilst they remain annonymous. I am not saying that Rangers are owned by anyone from abroad, but what i am saying is that Craig Whyte does not really own Rangers 100% himself. I think there are people behind him that are annonymous and this is evident in the way that the club takeover was structured, ie one share under "no name" in Liberty Capital owns our club. Why would this be the case if the real financial backer wasnt hiding something?

The way that i am looking at this is simple, there are 3 possible outcomes in my opinion.

1) Rangers lose the tax case and Rangers go into administration. Craig Whyte picks up all of our assets and restructures Rangers under a slightly different name and sells us on once stable for £40m or so. After all, Rangers turnover minimum £50m per year so still a viable business. He would only have paid £1


2) Rangers win the tax case and Whyte makes money from developing the land around Ibrox, developes us as a brand and sells us on for a good profit, after all it would technically have cost Whyte £18m to buy us so he will double that - this is the best case scenario and would see us get back on a solid financial footing and we can get back to operating like a normal football club.

3) Craig Whyte knows that Rangers will lose the case and asset strips our club and leaves us in the gutter.

My question to anyone who will no doubt say this is rubbish is -
why have we never heard of Craig Whyte?

Where is the evidence to suggest that he has the capital to properly run a football club?

Why are all of our board members "business recovery experts" or "financial asset advisors"?

Why were people like John Greig - The Greatest Ever Ranger saying that this was not the best option for the club, also Alisdair Johnston and the rest of the old board? These guys were true "Rangers Men"

I genuinely hope that Whyte and co develop Rangers and sell us on for a profit - that is the best thing that could happen. Rangers are not a club that you can make profit running every year, nor do we have the carrot of the EPL millions to aim for. I believe that Whyte and co know that Rangers will lose the case, go into administration, and they will restructure us and sell us on. This wont be a good time for fans for obvious reasons, but it makes sense as to why Whyte only paid £1 for us, also makes sense in signing up our sellable assets for 5 years - these guys will get sold for good money if we went into administration due to contract length. Why have we not signed anyone apart from Ortiz?

We could of had 5 bosmans, all completely free to the club apart from wages, these guys werent players that would earn 40k per week, but maybe 10k to 15k. WHY DIDNT WE SIGN THESE GUYS FOR NOTHING????

Finally - on to Mr Murray. If what i am predicting comes to fruition, Murray will be the man responsible for taking our club down a black hole. Craig Whyte and his backers are chancers, but Murray was the one that put us in this position with crazy spending and not balancing our books properly. IF, AND I REITERATE IF RANGERS GOTO THE WALL I BLAME ONE MAN AND THAT IS MURRAY. WHYTE AND CO ARE JUST THE VULTURES PICKING UP THE SCRAPS.

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David Murray invested and lost millions on Rangers Football Club, if his companies were not hit so hard with the credit crunch he would still be here bankrolling the club, he was under severe pressure by Lloyds bank to sell he did not have any other option, Lloyds wanted the money back straight away and Whyte was the only one willing to cough up with it.

Whether Whyte is the man for Rangers and his motives are genuine, we have to wait and see, but do not blame David Murray, if it wasnt for him Rangers would have been in a real mess years ago with the 9 in a row and all the other success.

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Got to disagree with some of the points however the main jist of your points are well thought out .... there is one scenario you have missed out on .... Gers have severly restructered the expenditures thro wage and transfer budgets ... I think this should be a mainstay. Look at gers financial figures for the last 4 years .... every single year has seen us rack up a profit the restraints that lloyds put us under showed us that it is possible to make a decent bit of money from the gers... It was estimated that gers were at one point around 70 odd million in debt by the time whyte took over we had reduced to around the 30 mark ..... that would mean 40 million and thats working against interest... granted that meant 2 years without spending a penny and selling every player that was bid for almost. But the facts were gers were still posting profits as high as 12 million in certain years. Gers have now structured themselves in a way that they now break even without the champ league and secure a profit when they are in it which is where they need to be now. So it is possible that he could also hang around longer than folk seem to think he will as long as he is making money.

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Why are all of our board members "business recovery experts" or "financial asset advisors"?

Are you a bit simple? or being a bit simple? We had 28 Million debt and people like Bain being paid £630,000 per year? Who would you have on your board Delia Smith and Colin & Justin? One to sort out the catering and the other to focus on revamping the toilets?? Jesus give me strength.

Aye Ready

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By f..k you like the sound of your own pish, are you graham spiers in disguise.

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Are you a bit simple? or being a bit simple? We had 28 Million debt and people like Bain being paid £630,000 per year? Who would you have on your board Delia Smith and Colin & Justin? One to sort out the catering and the other to focus on revamping the toilets? Jesus give me strength - I know where you are coming from, but I think these buys have been brought on board to deal with administration. I, like you thought these guys were brought on board to structure the club to make money. Now, after seeing the lack of transfer activity etc i am starting to think that these guys are not the people we want running our club. Why would Johnson and Gregg etc vote against Whyte takeover if it was great for Gers? These guys are Rangers fans there is no doubt about that. That is why i worry now. I was very optimistic about whyte and had lots of arguments with tims over this, but now i am starting to worry. If you dont think we are in trouble fine, just bury your head in the sand and hope for the best. I am a season ticket holder and have signed up this year but i am not expecting much this season in way of trophies or new signings. Tell me this, if we have 15m to spend, why are we losing out on players that are costing a few hundred grand?

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I'm not burying my head in the sand because I dont agree with you. The fact of the matter is, with all your points and many others only time will truly tell whether Whyte is good or bad, not 2 months And certainly not because we lose out on a couple of very avg money grabbers

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21 Jul 2011 09:27:39
Ok supposedly we should see players in today (just as whyte said). If not then I am really losing faith in whyte and won't believe anything else he says

Craigyb

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21 Jul 2011 09:26:55
Does anyone know when Goodwillies court case is up and a decision is made etc?

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21 Jul 2011 09:26:10
Can I just point out that if (as indicated in our posts) we were all so clued up about Whytes buisiness acumin, why the f*ck did none of us amass a fortune then buy Rangers instead of dicking around on here with our half baked theories?

Still keeping the faith

Minoritybear

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21 Jul 2011 09:15:52
Just been reading back the posts this morning and overnight maybe Mr whyte should ask this site for advice on how to get bodies in by my count there has been Ed001, Ed002, Ed003 and Ed047 all on here this morning and lastnight, is there a firesale on Eds ha Timalloy

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21 Jul 2011 09:08:57
I'd be more than happy if we didnt get Miller as long as we get Goodwillie. Miller is 31, he will eventually lose his pace though he does have a good nack for creating space and being in the right position at the right time. If we get Goodwillie I think he will be a bigger success than Boyd, he may not score 30+ a season but he will create chances with his movement and pace and therefore I see him and Jelavic scoring 20+ each.

Keeping fingers crossed he gets off with the rape charges.

On a funny note, I went to see Jimmy Carr in Edinburgh a few months ago and Goodwillie and what I assume was his girlfriend were sitting two seats a long from me. Goodwillie watched the first half and did not reappear for second half, think it may have been Carr's jokes that put him off coming back. But I have to say if your on a rape charge, dont come to a Jimmy Carr gig

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21 Jul 2011 09:03:12
Only in Scotland would we think an owner securing the long-term services of his best players is some duplicitous scheme That's right, he must be totally bent mustn't. What he should be doing obviously is just letting contracts completely run down/ run into their final year so you end up paying through the nose e.g. Whittaker (who would surely have taken something more reasonable like say 15k per week if offered this time last year, rather than trebling his money now). We have the complete mismanagement by the old regime for putting us in financial ruin and that old chessnut "we can't offer any contracts at this time" to thank for that. You'd clearly rather go back to that rubbish mate?

At least now they are guaranteed cash if a major asset leaves- this is the way normal clubs generally try to operate, it's just we're no used to it that's all

Hopefully any funds that come in in future will be reinvested in the squad. This is the only rational business model for Rangers to operate in the future, unless the Sultan of Brunei fancies a wee condo. in Govan. Granted I can't say at this time that funds will be reinvested, just like you can't possibly say they won't just now.

A lot of you need to have a day off and give the guy a bit of a chance before making rash judgements based on nothing.

Randolph True Blue keeping the faith.

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Great post. Articulate, accurate and completely correct.
Don't get me wrong I am not happy about losing out on players full stop. However let me tell you there is not 1 player so far I could care less about. Miller has had his time, we never even put an offer in for Conway and he flatters to deceive. Hemed, well to be honest only time will tell on this one.

And lets not forget we have some brilliant kids right now. Hemmings looks tremendous, Ness is class. Wylde shows promise Hutton too and Fleck needs to be given a run and a position.

All will come good.

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21 Jul 2011 08:48:59
Miller offski Brilliant I never wanted to see him back, he has had his time and proved himself on his return. Enough is enough though and a third time for me just would not have worked.

I would expect one signing today any more would be a bonus and one other before Malmo who would still be eligible for the game as you can submit a wildcard 24hrs before kickoff.

Too much panicking by too many Teddy Bears. The rumours are coming thicker and faster every year thanks to social media and in particular Twitter. Combine that with us being heavily active in the Market for the first time in three or so years and suddenly we look like we are loosing out on every player The fact is this lads: every season previous we would have lost out time and time again, without the same social media boom we didn't get to here about it till perhaps years later.

I'm just glad we are in the Market it took all of last pre season to get big Jelly

Do yourselves a favour and stay calm. We will come good.

Aye Ready.

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21 Jul 2011 08:42:26
Stunned by the spelling on some of these rumours.

It's McCoist not macoist and Ally not Ali. If you can't get the basics right then your rumour, no matter how bizarre, is disregarded straight away.

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Jesis ar you a teetchur?

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Hear hear

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21 Jul 2011 08:22:33
watp we are the plonkers more like mr whyte fooled us all good style i beleived every word that man said bet were lucky if we sign one player tonight and it wont be cuellar it will be some unknown to make up the numbers this is a joke were totally short on players yet its taking to the last minute to do deals somthing most defo wrong here

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How is it last minute when theres still over a month left in the transfer window. everyones panicking that we dont have enough players for the league, this is because the league starts early this year

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21 Jul 2011 08:11:19


£800k (1m euro) thats all they had to offer for miller an they came fwd with a p*shy £380k offer (less than they sold him for)
Top scorer last season an he left the league at xmas ffs
Whyte is a kn*b
15m my arse

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21 Jul 2011 07:51:13
people realy need to chill out with the signings and be patient, no-one on here knws whats happening or who we are looking at and trying to sign. come the start of the season il be a blue nose as always no mater whos on the park with the blue jersey on.

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21 Jul 2011 07:50:23
So no money to spend now, ASSets Davis, McG, Whit and Nichola Jellyfish will all be sold next year to bring in money as there is none in the Tin thats why they are on 5yr deals with allocated money for wages at £20K plus bonus per week. Relying on European money is not a certainty when trying to beat a fit Malmo team who are half way through their Season, according to Henrik Larsson or Peter McCloy - out of Europe and probably wont be in the top6. If Jellyfish gets injured then we will toil with no cover. New signing Aggie in the Merchandise Shop looks the best signing.

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21 Jul 2011 07:50:21
Hi, I was a forward thinking rangers fan when whyte came in. I thought and have said give him time .... Etc things will happen .... But now it's Thursday 8am the champs league qualifier deadline to sign players is at 11pm and I know malmo are no mugs. Of we don't sign at least 2 quality players today I don't see Rangers qualifying for Europe never mind champs league. I agree with tiying up deals for current players and yes if it wasn't for whyte we would not have them right now but this constant rabble that cousy comes out with the "we will sign players in next 24-48 hours" Is now looking like lies, yes there may be deals that collapsed but no one at Rangers should promise signings. ...... I thought of whyte as a Rangers saviour ..... Now a I am very suspicious and concerned with this new owner ..... A really hope he proves me wrong though.

Rfctruegent

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21 Jul 2011 07:48:47
Whyte realised we were down to the bare bones of a squad, so why has he taken so long to get players in ? the squad we had last season was minimal as it was but we have lost Bartley, Weiss, Diouf & Foster.
We also released Webster & Velicka, Beattie will be sold or freed imo & Lafferty is injured for the 1st month & we've only brought in 1 player, yes i know we signed Healy but i don't think he will be given too many games.
If we don't sign anyone else, we will need to play the young boys more often but imo they are not quite ready, you would find our players will be injured more often.

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21 Jul 2011 07:35:06
I know we can still sign players until 31st Aug but if we want to progress to the group stages of the champions league, (where Whyte should be going for the extra CL revenue), we should have signed players before now but because we are now down to the last day to register players for our 1st game, it will now look as if we do sign anyone today, it WILL look like panic buying.

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21 Jul 2011 07:34:59
Are we bears being led up the garden path by craig whyte is super ally whytes puppet just say this ally just say that ally it will keep the fans quiet till we get our quota of season tickets we will try and get players on the cheap knowing full well we won't get of them the manky mob must be laughing their heads off again if you want the fans back on side mr whyte its time to get your hand in your pocket and start buying. Watp

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21 Jul 2011 04:30:55
we are only tryin to sign players that we know wont come to us, anyone that they know wants to play for gers whyte refuses to pay cash or says no intrested, then gies the three best players new deals so he can punt them, he's a rat, if we dont sign anybody then we should refuse tae pay for tickets, whyte is a fraud. get him out

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The biggest problem that we have, in terms of transfers, is the early start to the season.

SOME of the contributors here seem to be forgetting the dire straits we found ourself in due to the previous regime.

Craig Whyte, the self confessed Rangers supporter, has cleared a lot of our excess baggage and has paid A LOT of money so far to keep KEY players. He has also spent a fair chunk of money on the stadium.

I am frustrated at the lack of transfer activity, like so many others, but I am also aware that we have until the transfer window closes to get players in. I concede we have a European window also, but I would rather get the RIGHT players than pay over the odds (as we did previously) and make return to the bad old days.

I do NOT want to be associated with the transfer policy seemily held by our friends over at webuyanyplayer.com. Do you REALLY want a scatter-gun approach to buying?

Perhaps the key here is for Rangers NOT to go public with their dealings in future.
This may help to stem the tide of frustration that seems to be building.
I am concerned, but not worried, because there are 2 key things I remember-

1. I am Rangers 'Til I Die
2. I am Rangers 'Til I Die

(I appreciate that, technically, that's only really once, but I think that as it's such a doozie it's worth making twice).

Let's not go back. Let's move forward. If that means being prudent, then so be it.
If we were to compare the dealings of our team with our everday lives' would we be saying "oh, let's just buy the bigger expensive car for the hell of it and get into more debt", or "to hell with it, the neighbours shop at M&S everday so we can too, despite out income"? It's boring, but it's true and you all know it...

daviet

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21 Jul 2011 03:45:10
RANGERS have taken Poland's Under-16 goalkeeper Dominic Dyk on trial as Ally McCoist looks to the future (Herald)

dont make me laugh

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21 Jul 2011 01:32:06
ed any clues about why gordon smith was in italy was it just to top his tan up. {Ed002's Note - I don't know that he was. I do know that he has confirmed Espanyol interest in Cuellar which I got trashed for telling you all a couple of days ago. I will be standing outside Ibrox this morning accepting apologies, and cash donations.}

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Be Careful Ed002 Mr Whyte mights ask YOU for money haha

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21 Jul 2011 01:51:17
Thanks ed. No completely "clued-up" on this daft gadget if I'm being completely frank with you "Browsers" etc. all rather a mystery

Randolph True Blue Tech. Wizard {Ed001's Note - nor me, but I have had a similar problem myself, had to update my phone's firmware or all the items on the touchscreen were out of place.}

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21 Jul 2011 01:13:13
Sorry ed when I click on "post" on "banter" page it just takes me on to an advertisement screen for that galaxy phone on youtube. I realise this is not a "rumour". Maybe you could stick it in the right place like you did for me once before ta.

I can't work out what all the insufferable bleating about "missing out" on Jenny misser is all about. There will obviously be better, younger strikers out there for the same money. Just about finding them. Whyte's certainly no an idiot. We've made far too many idiotic signings in times past. Resigning Jenny misser YET AGAIN would be embarrassing and show a complete lack of ideas.

Much talked of cl signing deadline is only of significance if what we have just now is no good enough to beat malmo. I'd guess whyte's canvassed opinion on that and does not believe signings are essential to get by that hurdle, else he would have made some more. Whyte can only be judged at the closure of the transfer window some weeks hence.

Randolph True Blue {Ed001's Note - I will get that error looked at for you, though it might be as simple as your phone's browser simply misrepresenting the images.}

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21 Jul 2011 01:08:16
I think its time that whyte opened the checkbook as he said he was and started signing players 1 millon euro for kenny miller i think is a good deal as we paid 1.5 millon last summer for james beattie kenny miller is a proven goalscoer in the spl as he scored 21 goals in the 1st half of the season compaired to james beattie none we desver better whyte

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Miller left for 400,000 why would we buy him back for 1million ?? Has he improved and developed a first touch in turkey ?? We dont need strikers , defence and midfield priority

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So a player who will score 20 goals a season is not worth 1 million, dont forget it was millers goals that went a long way to winning the title, if miller had 2 years on his contract do u think he would have left for 400,000 or at least 1.5 million?wasnt millers fault rangers couldnt offer him a better contract.

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We were better off being run by Lloyds bank

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21 Jul 2011 00:55:55
What i dont get is a businessman buys any type of business and wants it to grow but wont splash the cash to make it grow no brainer why did he buy rangers?

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21 Jul 2011 00:54:48
Think some of our fellow bears need to calm down
kenny miller left for more money in turkey all of a sudden there's a chance he can come back he becomes king kenny do me a favour he is average at best his first touch is shocking all the players we have been linked with cuellar apart do we really want them ?? Hemed who had heard of him ?
Conway squad player Danns why no premiership clubs look at him Wallace would you drop sasa for him ?? Goodwillie has potential to be a player and a lot of trouble off park . Miller I wouldn't have back . I have only seen linfield and Blackpool games good thing to come out those games is superally gave kids a good bit of game time which walter never really done think kind bendiksen looks decent hemmings needs taking under coistys wing he looks to have power and pace I would much rather ally worked on our own kids and made them players than spend money buying other clubs young players .radio Clyde wasca joke tonight with bears moaning as if the leagues done before a ball is kicked superally never let us down in a blue shirt hopefully be the same in dugout

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20 Jul 2011 23:51:04
Not a rumour, just wanted to report that I came across a new Facebook page a couple of minutes ago... " I'm Colin Stein and the Ibrox disaster was my idea" is the name. I find this absolutely disgusting and it makes me sick. If we are trying to get rid of sectarianism we should be getting rid of these pages and finding the morons who are, not just making them, but also liking them. I am not saying that all Rangers fans are angels and it is only Celtic fans that do this, because it's not, but it was the first one I have seen and it really annoyed me. So, I would like all who read this to report this page and get it sorted out, it is not acceptable. I believe that it is only a new page, but cutting it out at this stage is the key, however, there are already 75 likes and a few sick and disrespectful comments/posts and also pictures. 66 people died because of this disaster and I can't sit back and watch it getting laughed at in this manner. Thanks. {Ed001's Note - I am going to put this on, though it will open a can of worms but there is no need for anyone to respond as ALL responses will be deleted. Otherwise it will just degenerate into petty squabbling, we all know there are disgusting FB pages related to every disaster that has ever happened, there is no need to argue about who is worse.}

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21 Jul 2011 00:45:22
One word for all this shocking

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21 Jul 2011 00:42:59
Wreckless spending screwed us before. Signing thosecwe have up on long term deals HAS to be priority number 1, yes we need new faces but we CAN'T afford to be losing what we already have for nothing

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Listen.. spending big bucks on guys like flo etc was wreckless, dont try and say spending 1 million is wreckless...is 2 million wreckless spending regarding cuellar?

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Sorry, i thought we agreed a fee for cuellar so thats not the issue

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Sorry, i thought we agreed a fee for cuellar so thats not the issue

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21 Jul 2011 00:41:35
Heard a few stories regarding Gers problems with signing targets. Apparently the wages on offer are £11k/week with bonuses for goals/appearances, etc but only up to a maximum £16k.
Also, most, if not all UK agents are demanding release fees & compensation if the tax bill requires rangers to file for administration or liquidation, which actually isnt as bad as it sounds due to the way whyte has secured assets.
Also, regarding the extra £15m, this is an advance on his pledge to spend 25m over 5 years, so basically 20m this year, and 5m for the next 4 years. this money accounts for transfers AND wages

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Everyone comes on to say wages capped at this and wages capped at that , we don't know what wages are capped at the only people who know are Mr Whyte and Sir Ally . Guys we will come good with signings and even if we don't we have the backbone of the team signed long term and for what i've seen pre season some of the kids coming through are not that bad . We will win 4 in a row without a doubt and we will win it with our GREAT club on a better finacial footing .........

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21 Jul 2011 00:32:27
Can anyone shed some light on the goodwillie case being dropped? if this rumour is found to be true i will be delighted as i myself have wanted him at rangers for many a year and we should be able to tie him up if the whyte knight coughs up the cash as cardiff would surely be out of the picture as the are on the verge of landing money millers signature

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21 Jul 2011 00:21:00
hands up who thought we would of had more than one player in with kick off so close.... {Ed003's Note - sorry for the delay, I had to edit this with my nose}

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You ch........ {Ed003's Note - can I put my hands down now}

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21 Jul 2011 00:20:26
who believes rangers will sign goodwillie any time soon ?

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In about 68 months if he behaves himself

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21 Jul 2011 00:20:04
If boug extends his contract allys budget will still be at £15m because the budget is for NEW players

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21 Jul 2011 00:05:41
I was on a few wks ago supporting Mr Whyte, he has issued contracts for Little, Kerkar, Healy, Weir that totals 4 year, davis, mcgregor, whitty totalls 16 years, that 20 years worth of contracts so that was a good sign then 3 years for ortiz so that 23 years worth of contracts, and he moved debt and sorted out ibrox with some grass n a lick of paint n a new sound system, that alot in his short space of time but if we dont sign a player by friday night a want everyone who going to match on sat at those main doors to voice there outrage that we have only properly brought in 1 player, it just not good enough, ano the trf window got 5 wk to go but we need players now, our squad running think, few injuries and suspensions for first game it not looking good and a think us hard paying bluenoses should b voicing our opinion to the board about it all in favour of letting the whyte man know we need back up in URGENT? or we may as well send the double we won last year, but then again, there bottle usually crashes ha ha comments please

Drum bear very pd off """""

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21 Jul 2011 00:16:22
what do you think will happen next season in respects to line up and things like that? What young players are going to be coming through and anyone on trial at the blackpool game

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21 Jul 2011 00:00:54
Rangers have 24 hours to increase their bid for Kenny Miller or risk losing him to Cardiff as he jets into the Welsh capital for a medical and talks to discuss personal terms. Another player gone because McCoist will not increase the bid but this time I agree with Super Ally. Bursa stole him from us and we shouldn't have to pay more to get him bk.

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20 Jul 2011 23:43:39
Where is this thing about Goodwillie signing coming from

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20 Jul 2011 23:41:31
So now Goodie is a done deal is it, with his case conveniently set to be dropped tomorrow? I dont believe that for a second. JPM

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20 Jul 2011 23:32:49
This is getting beyond a joke, im sick of hearing about our petty and derogatory bids getting thrown back in our face with the players going elsewhere, Its fu**ing embarrassing. I dont want to hear about mr whyte being shrewd and give him a chance and not being where he is for nothing, Mr whyte has made promises and statements which wont be forgotton. (15-20 million to spend, 3-4 players in before saturday) i know its only thursday 2mo but if our past negotiating skills have anything to go by we are on to plums. spend money now and he can make the 10-15 million back qualifying for the C L group stage and he can put that back in his pile. ive not lost the faith yet tho i am becoming increasingly frustrated. And im not the only one...

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