Rangers Banter Archive March 20 2012

 

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20 Mar 2012 23:01:41
i think our team could still end up folding as these bids rely on to many things getting sorted before we get a writing offer and i dont think people have the money to invest

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20 Mar 2012 22:55:07
The SFA have sent out a letter to all the member clubs asking them to confirm on payments made to their players.

We don't have to worry as we're getting slaughtered for everything just now.

It will be interesting to see if anyone else has been making additional payments...

According to the letter, the request has been made because “it has come to the attention of the Scottish FA that there could be a number of examples of non-compliance with the obligations of Article 12.3.”

http://sport.stv.tv/football/scottish-premier/rangers/301167-scottish-fa-ask-clubs-to-declare-non-contractual-payments/?

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JEEZ man,i'm squirming...STOP IT!

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Its the SFA looking for a way out for both them and Rangers as it now appears things have been ignored or hidden and the SFA knew,they are running scared as the s**t is about to hit the proverbial

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20 Mar 2012 22:34:53
Correspondence bias: this is people's assumption that others' behaviour reflects their personality, when really it reflects the situation.
Truthfulness bias: people tend to assume that others are telling the truth, even when they are lying.
The persuasion effect: when people are distracted it increases the persuasiveness of a message.
Denial-innuendo effect: people tend to positively believe in things that are being categorically denied.
Hypothesis testing bias: when testing a theory, instead of trying to prove it wrong people tend to look for information that confirms it. This, of course, isn't very effective hypothesis testing!

Sound familiar bears, taken from a study many many years ago to determine why we should not believe what we read.

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I don,t beleive this,garlar07

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20 Mar 2012 22:36:06
I watched the Adam interview and what a lot of nothing was said. I do not know what his motifs are for this , but as he was on the board he is surely putting himself for criticism.

Really said nothing, gave no names, no proof, all hot air.

Disappointed to hear that only 15000 sold for the legends, come on bears time to stand up and pay. Incidentally it may be a long time before We see the likes of laudrup, gazza, albertz again.

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I watched the C4 interview aswell. If that is what C4 calls a "special report" then journalism must be the easiest job in the world.
To make accusations against Rangers based on what Hugh Adams, a guy who was a director of the club until 2000, before Rangers started using EBT's, says he is "sure" Rangers were making undeclared payments to players. C4, with no evidence to back up the old guys claim. Make accusations of such nature against our club is ridiculous.
C4 should be ashamed to call that investigative journalism.

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20 Mar 2012 22:33:50
Tax bill 49 mill, lloyds 18 mill,ticketus 24 mill,payetax 9mill watchin neil lennon collecting the losers medal f#####g priceless.fail fail a just cant laugh enough.trueblue.

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Watching Neil Lennon turn -15 points to 11+10 for not paying taxes=+ 21 priceless. bigirishmac ;)

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What a pity we share the same city.trueblue.

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20 Mar 2012 22:42:57
Does any1 know how many tickets are sold for the legends game?

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20 Mar 2012 22:21:56
I think it is plain to see how frightened all Celtic fans really are.

Defeated at the first hurdle of the treble by a reasonably talented, attack minded but not brilliant Kilmarnock team whilst maintaining the excuses for losing their bottle once again.

Fear that just maybe we can get one over on them on Sunday when we are at our lowest point in decades and the humiliation of realising that Lennon is not their saviour and that he has wasted a terrible amount of money to assemble a team that is sub-standard for a team of Celtic's stature.

A sudden realisation that maybe they have won a title that has been a little devalued and lacked the dogged toing and froing of the close encounters of previous seasons where every point was fought for tooth and nail. Not their fault that it has lost its sparkle but the end result is the same. No matter who you are or who you support in Scotland 2011-2012 SPL season will be known as the year that Rangers almost died.

They will be petrified that through all of this they still could not put to bed the treble with all their bluster and tax advice and put downs. Fair enough we might have done the same in their situation but what they should really fear the most is the resurgence of RFC. And they do because now that events have reached their lowest point for our great club you can sense the nervous panic when they type their snide comments on a site dedicated to their favourite team, or maybe on the their own sites, that "What if...?"

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Notice that you have to bring Neil into
your ramblings. Scared of you lot? Aye
right

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Good luck with that whole surge thing,why dont you aim for resurface first?

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20 Mar 2012 22:17:21
That channel 4 news programme was an
an anti climax..........thought there
was going to be some sort of
revelation............an 86 year old
being "sure" ? about something which happened after he left...........god the journalism is worse than the football at the moment !

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I agree the guy didnt know what day it was
trueblue

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Totally agree with you mate some old geezer talking drivel by the looks of him he couldn't mind what he done ten minutes ago far less 20 years ago

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Thats only the first part

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Oh dear the same people who knocked the BBC a few months ago for uncovering Craig whyte, why do people even bother, u lot just never want to listen, I'm a gers fan who has just given up way some of u, none of u ever want to listen, rangers are in a pile of horse s**te and u need to stop kidding yourselves on, Sunday means nothing to me the long term future means everything, but we can't move on while fans like u lot kid yourselves on.

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20 Mar 2012 22:16:35
im not saying this is true but cos di steffano talked the the emir of quatar about sayin he should bid for us we may get a 6th bid in and i hope i is him NOT SAYING IT WILL HAPPEN I HOPE
AndyBear98

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20 Mar 2012 22:13:05
Just a thought..." Barcelona owe the tax authorities €48m as part of an overall net debt of €364m."

now given that european tax payers have had to bail out the spanish government this 45M euro chunk is fairly substantial
...Should Barca be stripped of their european cups and titles?....

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If it makes you feel better , why not?

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Only if they say they cant pay,i.e administration!

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I was under the impression that owing tax meant no euro license? Or was that a Timmy wind-up? CheltBlue

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Of course

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20 mar 2012 21:58:52
wounded bears in hiding???channel 4,s got them in a bit of a panick& this is just the start.wait till thay get there teeth really into it!!!be afraid.as the truth coming out..hately was in bit off a fluster eh,as realising now the tainted title remark will be all gers cup& league wins be tainted& took from them if proven guilty!!!sfa& gers could well bring scotlands football to its knees when uefa get involved..shame on them!!!!!!1stevo

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And what are u on about?GET OFF THE GLUE WERE NOT WOUNDED WERE STRONGER
AndyBear98

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Nobody hiding stevo. Posted earlier about my reaction to ch4's inconclusive,non informative,and pathetic so called "special report" but never got published. -ED?? Stevie-A-Bear {Ed001's Note - it's done now, sorry I was away from the comp for a bit.}

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Pathetic??pmsl,yeh pathetic is anyone who dare try uncover the truth onyour club...more to come from ch4,so bide yer time with pathetic quotes stevie bear..stevo

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20 Mar 2012 21:27:12
Hugh Adam you are forgiven. You can be with peace with yourself. The truth is out. What's that coming over the hill? Oh its UFEA. Lol. We lost a honest game of football against Kilmarnock our first in 26 games no big deal. But what Hugh Adam has come out and said. Fxcking brilliant....... Bigirishmac

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Cup final no big deal, yea? Wow. Your manager didn't think so by the sounds of it. Muzz

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Oh no it's all falling apart, we need to call Fare again. Even CH4 couldn't provide evidence however what is funny is the SFA's statement tonight. Your bloggers tonight are panicking because of 1 case of yours which ties you lot into the double contract mess, now that is f@cking hilarious.

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20 Mar 2012 19:58:12
Can't get my head around what this guy's all about.
Don't know if I should be suspicious or thankful.

20 March 2012:

Mr Alex Salmond
Office of the First Minister
St. Andrew's House
Regent Road
Edinburgh EH1 3DG Email: FirstMinister@scotland.gsi.gov.uk
20 March 2012

Dear First Minister

Re: Rangers FC

First of all let me send my compliments and greetings to you and I wish you every success in your campaign for a Referendum of the Scottish people.

You will no doubt have read and be well aware of the situation with Rangers FC. I sincerely hope and remain optimistic that the Emir of Qatar and his family will take an express interest in acquiring what I deem to be “the best buy in European football”.

You will no doubt also be aware of my previous involvement in Dundee Football Club which, although some of the media misrepresented, I am pleased to say that there is now a truly good possibility of the Club being restored to its premiere position. The Club, like many others, suffered the pitfalls of Administration, which may well have been avoided.

This whole matter regarding football has inspired me to consider the political position of football generally and the relationship between sport and politics. Technically speaking, I agree with you, when you once stated that there should be no connection. However, since most sporting entities are in fact commercial enterprises, I am honoured to draw your attention to the Historic Environment (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2011.

May I specifically draw your attention to s. 12, which is headed “Development and understanding of matters of historic, etc. interest: Grants and loans”. I have the honour of citing the Act below.

12 Development and understanding of matters of historic, etc. interest: grants and loans After section 45 of the 1979 Act insert—
Studio Legale Internazionale

“45ADevelopment and understanding of matters of historic, etc. interest: grants and loans (1)The Scottish Ministers may make grants or loans for the purpose of defraying in whole or in part any expenditure incurred, or to be incurred— (a)in or in connection with; (b)with a view to the promotion of, the development or understanding of matters of historic, architectural, traditional, artistic or archaeological interest. (2)A grant or loan under this section may be made subject to such conditions (including conditions as to repayment) as the Scottish Ministers consider appropriate. (3)Without prejudice to any powers of the Scottish Ministers under any enactment (including this Act), the total amount of grants and loans which may be made under this section must not exceed £100,000 in any one year period.”.

May I specifically refer you to s. 45A(1)(b), which deals with the promotion and development or understanding of matters that are of historic, architectural, traditional, artistic or archaeological interest.

Section 45A(2) allows the Scottish Ministers (plural) the powers of granting loans or “grants” as they deem appropriate.

In my respectful submission, there is no greater need today than for this legislation to be adopted for a grant and/or loan to Rangers Football Club and any other Club within Scottish football on the basis that it is compliant with s. 45A(1)(b).

Namely, unarguable that Rangers Football Club and other Clubs need the development and that they are matters indeed of historic, traditional, artistic and possibly even architectural nature.

It may interest you to know that the legislation, for example, in Italy, permits local councils awarding grants/loans to Football Clubs within their administrative communities. This has safeguarded many of the smaller clubs and avoided bankruptcies, thus stabilising the league.

Since the government has, for example, intervened in the RBS to the tune of over £44 billion, and it is shameful that this year the bank has reported over a £3 billion loss, there is no reason why the Historic Environment (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2011 should not be used to award applicant Football Clubs financial assistance from the government since most of the clubs in Scotland are invariably 100 years, or more, old.

It is without a doubt that, for example, Rangers Football Club, carries an importance within the community. The Act deals with the promotion and development of such entities.

I am of course aware that prima facie s. 45A(3) seems to limit any government intervention to £100,000 which may be of little use to Rangers FC, but may be a saving grace for other clubs. However, the said section is caveated with the words “without prejudice to any powers of the Scottish Ministers under any enactment”.

The Scottish Ministers in my view have the powers to intervene and can, for example, even today, in the case of Rangers FC grant sufficient funding for the Club to pay taxes that are due, or any other government levies.
Of course, all legislation has to be adopted and used in a responsible manner.

If RBS can benefit to the tune of more than £44 billion and to date it has produced a loss of £3 billion, and certainly has no historic interest, retained no traditional values in banking, and its development or understanding can only but be described by many companies that have been bankrupted as a result of its activities, why, then, can Rangers Football Club not be assisted now by legislation that was enacted to assist these kind of unfortunate circumstances?

I would, thus, invite you to consider at the very least this possibility and, if necessary, form a select committee on an urgent basis to review whether this option should be available to the football community.

I extend my compliments and greetings as usual.

Yours sincerely

Giovanni Di Stefano
STUDIO LEGALE INTERNAZIONALE

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Well cant say this is fake i wouldnt type all this so i think ur true
AndyBear98

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With no shadow of a doubt, i ASSURE you this is fake. I highly doubt an experienced lawyer would write such a patronising, grammatically incorrect letter to the first minister. Much less, do i believe that it would find its way into the public domain. Muzz

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20 Mar 2012 19:46:49
Rusty the ginger tim is back!!!ok there's 4 maybe 5 or even 20 bidders for the (tax dodging anti football we don't give youth a chance) rangers..seriously did I miss something at the weekend or yesterday?has sir Craig whyte sold his shares or stepped down or has d&p come out and said that sir Craig whyte is not the main creditor??nop didn't think so.if it's going that way I think il make a bid so I can get on tv,radio etc.you's stupid fans live in the way Celtic actually play football 'pure fantasy' wait till wee Lenny unleashes £10million sammi!!!!! My prediction for Sunday! 3 v 0 to the barca in green and White with xavi (brown) gerrard (sammi) and david villa (stokes)! Hail hail rusty the ginger Lennon lookalike tim

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Is that you over your Killie pie and broon sauce now and you come on here with your nonsense. Celtic play football is that with the diving?

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I hate to burst your bubble but do you realise Gerrard plays for Liverpool and not Barca?

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Calm down son don't throw your dummy away with your runners up medel.....did you just wake up from your OD of premature jelly and ice cream ? and realise you can't move for all the broken glass....all together now 11 green bottlers...

Bluebear

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Aye your right fat tim u and all the smeltic fans are in fantasy land rangers this rangers that we where cheated its the ref fault.i cant wait till sunday we will hammer uz jst cause we on bad form the now it all changes in the oldfirm
trueblue

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Rusty here!I never said he played for barca!!I said there like the green and White barca!!then made a few comparison you thick like all the other rangers fans... Hail hail

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Well if you typed it up right then it wouldn't have showed you saying Gerrard played with Barca, then again to make comparisons with this Celtic team then you are thick as well.

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Good stuff Rusty, can always rely on your good self to rattle the bears cage! Keep it up mate!

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@7 - Unsigned!!
There's a whole world of difference between rattling our cage and talking complete TWONK! - Rusty what's up pal? I used to get a right good laugh at your posts (honest) lol, but they've fair taken a dive mate, just like "CHOKE'S" on Sunday.
Stevie-A-Bear

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20 Mar 2012 19:35:38
Hi ghuys Cellik fan hear,

Ive got a Cellic Radio for sale if any of yous want one , pure crackin, volume no as loud as it used to be and the treble's f**ked. £3

Timothy

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Donate it to your fighting fund,how much has that raised so far?

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Still £2 more than your tax dodging club was sold for pmsl

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20 Mar 2012 19:00:20
Any1 know how many tickets have been sold for the legends game next Friday night?

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15.000

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Paul Daniels would say (NOT A LOT)

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How do you check how many tickets have been sold?

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Http://www.rangers.talent-sport.co.uk/PagesPublic/ProductBrowse/standAndAreaSelection.aspx?stadium=IB&product=T12I06&campaign=&type=H

You can see the tickets sold on there. Doesn't look like very much

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20 Mar 2012 18:44:40
Neil lennon's version of Blame it on the boogie.

We spent our day at Hampden,
Might as well have been Rampton,
From that night I kissed the cup goodbye,

(chorus)
Don't blame it on the tactics,
Don't blame it on the Lennon,
Don't blame it on the players,
Blame it on the Collum,

Don't blame it on the Wilson,
Don't blame it on the Forster,
Don't blame it on the Defence,
Blame it on the Collum,

That nasty Collum bugs me,
Somehow won't give a penalty,
It's no fair,it's getting me on my feet,

He's took my treble completely,
I've seen the thunder leave me,
Wee Broonie just can't take his eye's off me,

Don't blame it on the tactics,
Don't blame it on the Lennon.
Don't blame it on the players,
Blame it on the Collum,

Don't blame it on the Wilson,
Don't blame it on the Forster,
Don't blame it on the Defence,
Blame it on the Collum.

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Brilliant mate,thats a quality post,top marks,lets do that mob on Sunday.

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You couldn't do Kilmarnock, hearts or Dundee united, doubt you'll be able to do the champions elect

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You need to get a life,you are obsessed with Celtic

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If he is obsessed with Celtic what are you on a Gers site.

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Now that was a good effort m8t , pity it will be back to the usual bile on Sunday tho !

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20 Mar 2012 17:44:16
Surely the only way for rangers (and celtic) to survive is to leave SPL for another league. Old firm not only team struggling. Ajax were once one of the best teams in the world...but now are struggling to compete with the big teams as tv money in holland is as bad as scotland....same goes for other leagues in scandinavia, belgium, croatia, austria, romania, croatia, etc. As fifa/uefa watch the big clubs in the big leagues prosper...they happily watch big clubs in small league slowly suffocate. Why cant a euro league not be set up? With teams like, psv, ajax, feyonord, twente, copenhagen, brondby, anderlect, standard liege, steua bucherest,etc. With multiple nations u create a larger audience, larger tv income/sponsorship and much better income for clubs every season. If it means short term exclusion from champ league then surely it has to be worth risk than staying in domestic league and praying for champ league money. After a few years of euro league uefa would have no choice but to let teams at top of euro league back into champ league for financial benefits. They play in similar euro leagues in other sports, with cheap flights europe is much closer...so cant understand why so many desperate clubs cant just join together. Got to think of something as any new takeover unless a mega rich arab is only going to support rangers short term or on downsize...not among europes elite where we belong! Bear 83

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Already been talked about, it was to be called,uefa threatened anyone with expulsion from ecl,but I agree and def big interest from tv meaning big money

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Torally agree mate, European league surely is more attractive for lots of teams.

J

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It was to be called north Atlantic league

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It's definitely a huge problem. The advent of "the champions' league" at the behest of berlusconi when milan were head and shoulders above everyone else has destroyed european football. They strong-armed uefa with their threats of a breakaway. Teams from big countries have their cake and eat it- big money from their domestic game and can go far in "champions' lge" after finishing fourth in their lge the year before. Inevitably the gap gets bigger year on year and the big losers are the big teams from the smaller leagues: old firm, big three in Holland, big three in Portugal....

Hardly any teams can win the champions lge. It's probably less than ten. Rangers and Celtic have no chance. I'd say that's a big problem for european football. It's quite boring. The same teams play each other year on year and 80% of the games in the group phase are a complete washout, as they're foregone conclusions with one team getting walloped. It's kind of like the spl, the "elite" in Europe need the rest or there is no competition, a bit like the old firm need the "rebel ten". They should "mobilize". Little wonder Platini was said to be more receptive to the idea of the "atlantic lge" lately. Something has to change, I'm getting bored.

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20 Mar 2012 16:45:52
R scudamore refutes claims old firm will be admitted to epl " not on his watch". Meeting with septic regarding move to championship all rubished

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Did you hear the guy on talksport maybe last month talking about the OF joining the EPL with Keys and Gray?

I didn't catch the guys name as i caught that part of the show midway through but i was guessing he was part of the whole league setup down there. He claimed he was for it but a lot of "mild racism" was used when discussing the topic. "we built a wall to keep THEM out" was an example he used to illustrate the "mild racism". So i doubt either us or Celtic will be playing in the EPL anytime soon, which IMO is unfortunate. The OF in the EPL would be huge, any sponcer would encourage it and maybe 1 day sky will insist on it..... hopefully.

J1985

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Aye i remember the interview, he said he went to a meeting at Murray's House where ti was him, murray, celtic board, and a number of FA officials all sat in his living room. Sounded interesting, but it fell through. Not going to happen anytime soon either. Muzz

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20 Mar 2012 16:41:51
I see the fighting fund has now reached £130000 am i wrong or do others think this is poor if you work out say 40000 at a home game its about £3.50 per head so as this is a world wide fund and i for one put in my share where are all the true blues when the chips r down we need to keep the club alive till a takeover is in place im begining to think this is like the last share issue the fans sat tight and let someone else to dig the club out of a mess yes
Mr murray yes he made mistakes overspent but we all live d the dream and enjoyed the ride so come on eve ry pound counts dig deep get through this period and we can be strong again. Cooper saltcoats

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What happened to all the i pledge mob
oh thats right when it comes to actual payment it looks like you have all followed your owner in the not paying up senario

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Think people are waiting to see if a share issue happens then you get something in return for your money.

If liquidation happens unfortunately where does the £130k go?

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You have to remember this is a fighting fund, I am waiting to actually invest, so the people who pledged will be the same, pledged for a share issue

J

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20 Mar 2012 16:41:13
Ed were is timalloy? {Ed001's Note - no idea sorry.}

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Hope hes ok. Its only fun after all. CheltBlue

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Lol 2 disagrees.. Sorry Tim your on your own... :) CheltBlue

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Ed001 gave him a chiding the other day, showed him up to be a bit of a bigoted twisted individual, I was proper shocked when I saw it.

Canyousaybanana!! {Ed001's Note - I was surprised myself, I had never seen anything like that from him before.}

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Ed are you sure it was him? Not some timposter? Lol

Canyousaybanana!! {Ed001's Note - yes, he leaves an identifier in the email field. Oh well, it happens, I just hope he understands what I was saying and can see my point.}

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20 Mar 2012 16:32:46
hi ed just a general question to throw open to the masses of rangers supporters on here .given the chance to work out our troubles via cva and many years of hardship .or help change the face of scottish football forever ...should rangers be liquidated it creates an opportunity for the authorities to create spl 1 and spl 2 ...a rangers newco could in effect start again in spl2 helping to regenerate football in the lower league ..increased attendences at all clubs and sky tv deal renegotiated by all member clubs thus resulting in a fairer split for all ..lets face reality folks rangers fc as we know it will never be allowed to regain any credability .there are just too many enquiries and investigations being undertaken by people looking to cover their own backsides at our great clubs expense .let the club go folks and reinvent scottish football with a bold new and transparent fan owned football club.

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If Rangers were to be liquidated my club would cease to exist. It cannot be replaced by some "pheonix" club. The link to 1872 and "the 4 boys with a dream" will be broken. I would stil watch the beautiful game but if I were to become a floating supporter rather than the supporter of one special club I would not watch my football in Scotland, I would be looking for top quality. No Rangers, no Old Firm, no worthwhile product.

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Well said m8, ur bang on.

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20 mar 2012 16:19:06
so my posts were hogwash tripe lies timmy propaganda? wounded bears??were are the bids that i explained were rangers pr spin??mr murray made whyte his fall guy ..will be proven correct....corrupt& dodgy deals?will again be rite,after ch 4 are finished digging the dirt, who have uncoverd more in a few weeks than scots journalists have in years!!!! i fear the worst for scottish football,as when uefa get into this the sfa& spl along with rangers will be punished severely,leading to probably years off bans for europe for spl teams& ban for national team also,i will await the outcome but hope all the other teams in the spl dont get punished for rfc,sfa being corrupt..mr murray even admits this will be a domino affect & there will be no pennies in the pound deal with hmrc...the first domino will fall& be seen to break into many pieces..quoted by murray himself..lies deceit fagan characters in back ground will be exposed soon..stevo...

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I also think a few people in the media will also be exposed. I don't blame Celtic for trying to get in the English league.

Das Shadow

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Ranger will ruin scottish football

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You are a sad paranoid wee man.
Show me the source where murtay says it will be a domino effect. I cant wait untill you pull a made up story out your backside.
Oh and national team wont get punished as sfa and spl are 2 Different governing bodies....better luck next time chump
EKger

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Pmsl the first disagree of the day !typical no response& name,truth starting to sink in little william??as said above mr murray knew the s**t was about to hit the fan.hence the reason for bailing out due to the hmrc wrecking ball coming ibroxes way!he & others be caught out in there spiders web of deceit..enjoy sunday what ever the score,as soon to be rfc no more.lol,wee bit poetic err!!!!stevo

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Lol,sorry not unconditional.a meant conditional before i get shot down in flames

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I did leave a response and name....
As i said produce the source and i'll believe you, till then grow up.
EKger

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Ch4 have released the blogs and promos for tonight's show. POP that was yer balloon bursting ya walloper.

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@Stevo...
Do you seriously believe that no one else knows what Rangers problems are? Are you that self deluded? No- of course you are not, but just like other troublemakers from the East-end, you wanted to make sure it was put out there,just in case!
Look most people with a smidgeon of common sense(and without an agenda) know Whyte is shady!
I also think and have stated on here weeks ago that SDM had to know about Ticketus and that wee Sh%t's plan! I and i would imagine most Gers fans would like to know why our club has been run into the ground, and believe me, i want anyone, and i mean anyone, who has broken the law brought to book for this. The Rangers fans have been sh&t on big time, and not just since the 6th May. And to finish, Yes Scotland's reputation has already been tarnished big time, and this will only get worse. But do you know something? This is not entirely down to Rangers, so before you start giving yourself a pat on the back,or celebrating, have a wee think about things in a broader sense. Do you really think Celtic will be self sustainable in Scotland? Your Chief executive doesn't seem to think so, now does he? - Stevie-A-Bear
What we don't know yet is the result of RTC, BUT IF it does go against us, then so be it, we take our punishment on the chin, repay our dues, and move on!
What we don't need is Celtic affiliated people digging and scratching around for more scandal that may or may not exist!

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EKger watch ch4 at 7& hugh adams will open your eyes up to the truth.rfc did not declare payments to players,now the spl crying out to all spl clubs they must declare all payments!coincidence??i think not,titles will be stripped if all is proven factual& watch randalls interview with moonbeams murray,you will hear the domino effect part,so dont come out with name caling,typical head in sand denial deflecting gers fan..stevo.enjoy ch 4,s digging over next few weeks,as your club is going to be dead as the dodo!!!sfa wont get punished??rfc ex directors were the fagan types in charge..pmsl away& gie it weeeeara peeeeple chants thinkin be all ok soon,dream on ...

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TOO POST No 8..at least you are a gers fan with a bit of common sense....you say its not all down to rangers tarnishing scottish football...?? well who elses fault is it...ohhh yehh the sfa also!!no other clubs have,so whats your point on that??scandal is rfc have brought this problem on themself due to years off financial mismanagement& dodgy deal makings!!!i think you will find it does exist& be unveiled shortly..as for celtic fans trying to dig.why didnt the watp dig& try to find out about the man with wealth off the radar???mmmm because all were in denial& our saviour has arrived!..well the death bell tolls& armagedon looms..stevo

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@10 - stevo you're a complete muppet!
The questions you have directed in your last post have already been addressed in my earlier reply to your ridiculous hogwash which was your original post!
You obviously didn't read,or can't read other people's posts without absorbing the main points. I think your main objective is just to come on here and wallow in our clubs current predicament, fair enough, but at least have the decency to first of all read, absorb, and if you have the capability,respond with credible points without resorting to inane rants totally off topic, and showing your all to apparent hatred of RFC. By the way if you watched the Channel 4 news "special report" which i assume you did, let me point out a few mental notes i gleaned from your earlier rant about it burying us. It began with a refernce to - "Scotland's biggest club" -Ouch! Bet you that one hurt stevo? lol. And lo and behold finished without one directly attributed quote,or one iota of evidence.
So where do things stand after your much publicised rant about "swinging balls" etc, well as i see it, just the same as before, we don't know. Have a day off stevo, and maybe reflect on your earlier posts. Nighty night from a supporter of "Scotland's biggest club"
Stevie-A-Bear

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The wrecking ball is on its way from hmrc a said.only read what you seeing out your blue tinted specs stevie!!channel4 aint even started on the alleged scottish biggest club..anyone dares investigate rfc& there instantly a liar& muck raker in any gers fans eyes eh...mmmm same as bbc,lol so that be other channel for yous too boycott.. i wonder what the gers pr spin fill your head with for nxt few days??more takeover bids?all b****cks..sudden silence from duff n duffer,i wonder what wee craigos guys been upto for last 5weeks?as seem to be raking in the wages not doing much...stevo

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Also muppet heid.as i asked you...who elses fault apart from yours that has tarnished scots football??as you stating not only rangers fault?.....cant handle that it is all your own clubs doing....im seeing your fans sticking the boot into auld hugh adams,this is the same hugh adams that left in 2002,selling his shares as was unhappy the way murray was running the club,yet for ten years no ones listend too him when hes spoke out about it,usual gers mentality when someone trys to tell you the truth its ignored,well you reap what you sew,enoy years of pain,stevo

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Okay "Oracle"- I'll spell it out for you since i've just realised
you don't bother reading the original post topics/replies,
which is a
bit strange considering it was you who started this particular one, but anyways_
Re: "anyone dares investigate RFC"-bah-blah. If you read my post i stated i want those responsible for running Rangers into the ground to be brought to book! Okay, you get that stevo?
As to your question about "Who elses fault?" - Why have the SFA asked ALL member clubs to write to them and
advise them of any non contractual obligations they may have? You don't need to post the reasons, i alraeady know them.
Put simply it's along the same lines as Hugh Adam "mumbled" last night, they were common place, and everyone knew about them,including the SFA.
If the big tax case(still to reach a conclusion} decides against RFC, do you think it prudent that HMRC allowedt it to build up over a ten year period?
Not RFC's fault!
The debate (RTC) revolves around the way RFC implemented a loophole in the system,(not illegal,) which was only changed in 2010. -Not RFC's fault!
Why do you think this case has dragged on so long? It's because it's not as cut and dried as some including yourself would have us believe! Although on the face of it this would appear to be in RFC's favour, my concern is that it drags on too long, RFC don't have the money, and the bids are all conditional on tax case been resolved. Stevie-A-Bear

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Regarding reading a post.you will see in first part at top i said was rfc& sfa who are corrupt not just rfc.......if they were common place why did lots clubs celtic included reject them seeing they were something not rite with them???for tax case,it will drag on for years with appeal after appeal,draining cash that rfc cant afford...final word,if were you i would be more worrried about duff n duffer being administrators,as it be out soon all whytes years of cosying up with them in buisness ,i smell a big rat..stevo

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Well done stevo, a wee bit of back tracking but you got there eventually. Have a gold star. lol
Honestly stevo i love the banter on here,really i do, just try and leave the hatred thing behind. have a good day m8.
Stevie-A-Bear

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All banter to me m8,got 2 bro in laws season ticket holders at ibrox..

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20 Mar 2012 16:11:32
Duff and Phelps have gone quiet this week its time we hear what they have planned for takeover bidders

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There is none m8,all bids will come in when newco comes about..stevo.all unconditional bids a think,pr spin,only bid will be ticket touts jumping into bed with some other parties to secure there 24million invested in season tickets for next 3to4years!

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Give Duff and Phelps a chance man. They were up at the Court of Session yesterday dealing with the ticketus contract and one of them on the radio 5 live last night. Removal or declaration of the ticketus contract as null and void helps with the bidders.
Another bid has been received today and one of the 3 bids already in have declared it as a conditional bid, that is the ticketus contract is no longer otherwise they will withdraw.

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Do you not think D&P would spend some time reviewing bids and doing some due diligence? Give them a break.

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20 Mar 2012 16:05:51
all the bids are total pie in the sky....as a previous poster said .."untill whyte is gone then aint nothin the club can do"...the bids are all conditional ego filled efforts to pick up the most successfull club in the world (league trophy wins )....wwe cant compete with todays modern teams ie barca , manu, but history wise we blow them away.....im waitin on the big tax case being settled and all serious bids comin to the plate with offers that are not expore filled with ego cream.....deecee

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20 Mar 2012 15:40:10
i really hope a bid gets aproved soon. as soon as were out this tangle the better. but this talk of multi millionairs buying rangers is a long shot just aslong as the new owners have the money to invest and are aware of the damages and what need to be fixed then i will be a happy bear SW

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Do u really think the club will be bought with this big tax case and by the way if u were not guilty of that why did sdm try 2 make a deal with them 2 years ago thats why he sold u for a pound at the mo u owe 15mill tax this year 25mill ticktus prob 40 to 75mill big case the tax man might have made a deal if u did not take the @@@@ out of him by not paying this years and anyway if he wanted 2 make a deal he would not have forced u into addmin face facts u will have 2 pay it all back or go into liqud

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The early settlement offer is risk elimination, whilst the BTC is hanging over us we can't invest or borrow. The obvious solution would be to offer a reduced payment. HMRC said no, it had f@@k all to do with guilt but simply to put it behind us. For what it's worth I do believe Hmrc are regretting now that they never accepted the 10m, if they don't accept p/£ deal they will get nothing and we are liquidated.

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20 Mar 2012 15:24:58
Can it be made clear that nobody but Craig whyte can sell rangers. All of these supposed bids mean nothing unless the majority shareholder agrees to sell. Until such times as his shares can be legally seized because of wrong doing. These bids mean nothing!

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Ed is there any truth in this post? SW {Ed001's Note - it depends on the make up of the executive board, if Whyte has control of that, then it is correct.}

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Lets look at all the big big bids for rankers lets start with blue knights murray has just said he needs 5mill of ticktus 2 put his bid in wow good bid that one and all other bids r conditional that ticktus deal is scrapped and the same with big tax case yeh and that is going 2 happen

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Who is to say whyte wont sell tho

campbell

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I think if he gets his money back and a wee profit he will take the money and run,his life would be a misery if he blocked any takeover

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He only paid £1 for the club. I will give him that now to get him to bugger off

quabba

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Couple of year in the jail or a £! pay off ad take the £1 the only money he has put into the club hope SDM checked he signed the cheque because he was in that much of a hurry to sell rangers he didnt notice the proof of assets letter from Whytes lawyer was unsigned FFS

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20 Mar 2012 14:51:33
ARROGANCE by Neil Lennon (todays E Times)
" I would say our cup final defeat was a bad result for the rest of the teams in Scotland"

" I didn’t want to go 4-4-2 on Sunday just because of the way Kilmarnock would have set up. We might have been too open. But we made the change bringing on Ki and putting Victor Wanyama back into defence, and that was the trigger for complete domination" Final Score 0-1 to Killie! Haw haw RTID

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20 Mar 2012 14:45:41
Scrooge McDuck BBC Sport Scotland website and Radio5 live:
Going out to Malmo in the Champions league sent club into panic and sunk Rangers into unavoidable Administration.

Further confirmation Dr Furgin Whyte came to our club with nothing, spent nothing, gave Ally nothing, borrowed on the strengths of the club, what kind of business plan did this despicable shark present to Murray for review, can’t be the same plan he has pulled our beloved Rangers down with, no can’t be!!!!!! No, surely no!! How can this be!!!!!!

Me thinks something has a nasty smell!!

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Murray knew what he was doing ,dont believe the I was duped speil

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20 Mar 2012 14:43:43
CW secretly involved with Chicago based sports mob looking at Rangers and they will be buying the club as soon as CW's mates D&P have the ticketus deal nullified through the courts. Boom. He's as shrewd as he is sleekit! {Ed001's Note - even if the deal is nullified, the money would still be owed, so that makes little sense. In fact the only thing the court is likely to do is remove Whyte as owner, so that might be why he is getting involved, so he can keep a percentage.}

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CW has came in, made broken promise after broken promise, put us into administration, disappeared the day after, the whole unpaid PAYE thing comes out soon after.....and you think this guy would chance showing his face at Rangers again?!!

J1985

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20 Mar 2012 14:04:22
Ex rangers Director football Gordon Smith on BBC Sport Scotland website and Radio5 live saying malmo bumping rangers out of group stages of Champions league sent club into PANIC.
And sunk Rangers into unavoidable Administration.

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20 Mar 2012 13:18:33
we dont need players that are hear for the money so get shot of him i will be placing a bet on him getting sent of against celtic

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Who r u talking about?

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20 Mar 2012 13:15:33
Gordon Smith ex Director football on BBC Sport Scotland describing how PANIC set in at Rangers last August as Malmo go through to group stages of Champions League and Rangers drop out. Financial implications laid bare leading to insolvency event.

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20 Mar 2012 12:58:50
First off all Scrooge McDuck! (panic at Rangers) correct me if I am wrong, but was Smith not part of the contracts and money squad! Nae wonder we never brought any of the wee mans future squad over the door, that along with Dr Whyte (tight) how can anyone think of trying to lay blame at the wee mans feet, get a frugin grip boys, you can’t question the wee man, he has to be given a chance, give a tradesman decent tools and you get the job done, say no more.
Emir of Qatar, buying Rangers would be “the best deal in football”.
Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa Al Thani now this would be a deal if it were to come off.
Let concentrate of putting one up the selik.

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Lol you keep the wee man ,he aint got a clue worse manger than PLG

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Still not as bad as mogga.

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20 Mar 2012 12:38:47
The fact is that ticketus money was used to pay off 18m of rangers debt to lloyds, paul murray is quite right to honour this debt, as for the other 6.4m why*e pocketed ticketus can chase him for that.
good on paul murray for doing the right thing, thats what real rangers men do.... put your support behind him and stop picking holes in his bid, hes an honourable man and should be treated as such, he has made it clear that the supporters will own the club and not any one person. it may take 3-4 years before we are back on top, but i for one would settle for that... col...

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20 Mar 2012 12:01:53
BBC Sport Scotland.
Gordon Smith quoted that there was a panic at Rangers leaving Champions league last August to Malmo.
As previously reported Ally's failings on the field of play brought Rangers to its financial knees.
Keep on winking Ally, very reassuring for the gullible.

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If he got conway, miller, danns and goodwillie we would have beat malmo no problem.

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Gordon Smith said on 5 live that he noticed a panic after we were out of Europe in August. Why did he not speak up sooner. He was quite happy to take his salary and leave the fans in ignorance.

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Think we missed out on first second & third choice transfer targets because the 'warchest' wasn't made available. We ended up with those that fell out of the barrell, not even those at the bottom!!

Too many people having a kick at AMcC & the 'scouts' when the true situation is now known. First few months flattered the Gers, as Celtic were absolute cr*p, and 1 goal away from NL 'walking away'. But when we lost Weir, Ness, Naismith, Lafferrty, Whittaker & sold Jelavic as well as let any promising youngsters Hutton, Fleck etc go on loan the writing was on the wall.
Celtic never improved by 20 points, as could be seen in the Cup Final. Rangers died a slow death, are still suffering and might not even have a future.
So for all you party goers on Sunday - wind your necks in and get yourselves a reality check - I for one can't wait to see who goes furthest in Champions league Qualifiers Motherwel or Celtic.

bill72

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Poster @1, our squad should have been more that good enough to beat malmo and maribor. Mr Mccoists tactics and teams selections put paid to that!!

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Steven Whittker getting sent off in malmo and David healy missing a chance at ibrox Mr magoo would scored cost us European football.

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Celtic didnt improve by 20 points? Well how come then we when 26 games on beaten? Is that not improving. So weir went so the rest of teams in league handed there games to Celtic. Jellyfish was still there in December when won the old firm game. He was there when we went top. You's had a 15 point lead. But sure hay Celtic didn't improve. Bigirishmac

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Whats that muppet bill talking about lets look at it weir was not in the team same goes for ness and lafferrty plays 1 good game in every 5 as for whittaker the less said about him the better. dont hear u talking about all the players selik had out at start of season as soon as selik had first team back that is when writing was on the wall for rankers

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20 Mar 2012 11:58:54
Did Celtic lose on Sunday? Last week it was we are as good as barca maybe their D team, but if they lost on Sunday its back to talking about referees.

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20 Mar 2012 11:42:20
Sunday’s game is certain to be a tense affair. Timmy will come along determined to wind us up with their “Jelly & Ice Cream” and “Pass the Parcel” antics.

I think we should turn the game into a celebration of the fact we are still here! Bin the Penny Arcade … it’s beginning to get a bit wearing!

Let’s go for songs like “Alive & Kicking”, “I’m Still Standing”, “Keep Yourself Alive” and “Stayin’ Alive” and wind Timmy up first!

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Bash on mate, i can assure you, all the winding up will come from one stand. Whilst you lot are watching the game behind your fingers

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I suspect we will be!

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@1 Yea just like you assured us of the mighty celtic doing a treble this year.
mmmmm wait a minute that's been cancelled.
Put money on smeltic getting a penalty this Sunday, it's a cert. Neil will have them doing double diving practise.

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20 Mar 2012 11:41:20
Looks like three unconvincing bids that will not save the club.
Ellis in DR as a spiv con man doing switcheroos and conning PAYE, VAT and creditors.
Ellis is still in Ibrox as a Director.

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20 Mar 2012 11:39:16
is it just me or is anyone els thinking that cel*ic are going to play the same tactic as they did VS kilmarnock and go all out n play dirty? SW

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Playing dirty! your having a laugh

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20 Mar 2012 11:31:42
Just thought about this & not sure if it's already been posted on here, but if "Club 9" took us over, do you think there is a strong possibilty that Ibrox would be changed to something like "Club 9 Arena, "Club 9 Stadium" ect ect ?

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If it saves our club and its history I dont care what its called

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The stadium will always be known AS Ibrox to the fans, if you can bring in 10 million on naming rights I would be all for it. Its the way football is going now.

barra1591

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Ibrox, in brick and mortor and name, is part of the history and tradition we are trying to save. At the end of all this, if too much has been sacraficed then it won't be our club. Long live Rangers, the 1872 version. After the shambles and ignominy of recent events, the true values and heritage of our great club are embodied more in our history than our present. As we try to build a future let our present trials make us wiser and cherish our glorious past which cannot be undone - 54 and counting.

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Other clubs have done it.Why not as the fans will always refer to the stadium as IBROX

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Just want to say was just a bit of banter, al stop the septic p!iss as i don't want to be made out a too face kent lol, S&M

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20 Mar 2012 10:52:17
Why is it acceptable for us to not pay our taxes while complaining about the super rich doing the same. I think we should do our best to service out debts and rebuild the club on a firm financial footing.

I want to be able to hold my head high when I'm watching my club, at the moment they look like a dodgy builder going bust to avoid paying his debts then opening up in his wife's name.

We are a great club with a proud history I think it's time we started acting that way.

We sing God save the queen and honour our soldiers - the same soldiers who are under equipped in Iraq because of a lack of money for equipment, we and other tax dodgers are causing that sitiuation!

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A so called rangers fan talking sense. As
Victor Meldrew sais "I DONT BELIEVE IT"

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@1) I cant think of a single post where a Rangers fan has condoned the non paying of taxes. Or been pleased about it. Again Timothy kicking the fans for a few greedy individuals. At least we give the troops moral support and celebrate their sacrifice for other peoples freedom. CheltBlue ps. edd001 had to laugh at your argument with miko earlier. As an Englishman living in England your right, your Scouse ;) {Ed001's Note - aye and you have probably seen me many times, I lived in Cheltenham until recently. But I would never refer to myself as English, my passport says British, and I have no love towards a country that spent my formative years trying to destroy my home city. That is why, even though I am teetotal, the day Thatcher pops her clogs I will open a big bottle of bubbly and host a bash celebrating her demise!}

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Ed you can join all of us having a pint to celebrate when she goes. personally i want to see photos just to be sure and if there is any doubt a stake through the heart of the bloodsucking old bat just to be safe

DJ {Ed003's Note - Ooo,can I come aswell }

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Of course ed i'll hold it and you can hammer it in

DJ {Ed001's Note - I was afraid to look at the full convo then! I was wondering if 003 was handing out invites to his swinging parties again.....}

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20 Mar 2012 10:32:32
Turns out HMRC are prepared to allow the administrators a CVA , Keith Jackson just on talksport saying that HMRC are after us for the miss use of the EBT scheme and if the win then they can chase up the Bankers that used the EBTs to pay bankers bonuses , bigger fish to fry !! Now 5 bids for our club , four men had a dream

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Because Keef says so
the same Keef who told you off the radar wealth and warchest .
the man is deluded and knows nothing as his past statements have proven

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Dont know about CVA but there are roughly 5000 firms that used EBT and 3 of them are major banks also included are most pension funds so could end up with a CVA and no fans to pay it job losses will be horrendous fasten your seat belts if Rangers lose tax case

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20 Mar 2012 10:23:44
I hope you will all be watching channel 4 news tonight at 7.
its going to be brutal viewing over the next three days.
or will you all be listening again to Keef Jackson spewing out his
The Big Tax Case is a red herring

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20 Mar 2012 08:47:34
hi ed first poster here , speaking as an outsider from england could i suggest that if ticketus do end up the rights to season tickets fans resist buying them and pay at the gate , this may hurry the chance for a rights issue and give fans the chance to own THEIR club . Thanks {Ed001's Note - won't make any difference, they would still get the money and the court fight isn't about resolving their right to their money back.}

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20 Mar 2012 03:29:20
Sorry but i have to post this ( not offensive or anythin just a true fact ) was on twitter and surprise surprise wullie collum gettin it tight, what i saw was clearly that celtic are the true shame of scotland! 1. he's a roman catholic and teaches in a roman catholic school! and yet they tweet him and call him a dirty orange besterd, how low can you lot get? and 2. which made me LLF, ma mate is at that school and wullie is his teacher and he even tweeted it! gullible and deluded or what? listen guys take it on the chin! its only a game of football, like you lot said its a “diddy“ cup, wouldn't be surprised if they are a few knocks on the doors from the police, lowsst of the low and utter sick. but may i add, he was celtic fans best pal when he disallowed wallaces header and the hearts goal. all fine and when stokes dives ITS A CONSPIRACY and apparently he changed faith! you really are bigoted and you automatically go to the shouting odds of ORANGE besterd, please please please get a grip of yourselves and stop harrasing people and makin peoples life hell! as i said its only a game of football! S&M WATP

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Someone posted a screenshot of that on facebook and in todays sun it quotes the tweets and says it is now with the police. one of them wishes he dies in his sleep or suffers a bullet from the ira. best fans in the world indeed

DJ

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Low Celtic fans indeed. I hope they are dealt with appropriately. What exactly has it got to do with Rangers though. Point scoring of the lowest.

Joeshmo1888

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That is shocking, some sick geebags out there,celtic lost the match not ref,S&M decent post watp spoilt it abit though garlar07

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Shame BOTH sets of fans can't grow up.

Canyousaybanana!!

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Its the mindless pillocks like these that both clubs need to get rid of, they have no place in society never mind near our clubs. the billy boy brigade has crawled out from under their rock and are going to attract more trouble to the club and these morons are just enhancing the paranoid bigot image. hope they get locked up for a while and banned from football grounds and internet for a few years.

DJ

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@2., what you mean by what's it got to do with us? or are ya referring to him being called an “orange besterd“?, just like to say guys for the comments I've seen with my post a quite like how both of sets of the old firm are basically uniting with each other, its good to see, may get shot down but over a period of time i have seen quite a few posts asking us to unite which isn't really a bad idea, like i think keep the banter for 90 mins at each old firm and the rest of the season work with each other i.e raise money for charity etc etc, IMPO i think the world would get a shock ( a dam good one though ) and might kick start a new era for the old firm basically get more respect than gettin laughed at if you know what i mean WATP, S&M

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Thats not a bad idea S&M, god knows both clubs need something positive to try and change their image, both are sneered at worldwide because of the bigotry and hatred. time for everyone who supports, works for or reports for the clubs to grow up and stop blaming each other and anyone else when something goes wrong. a united old firm could do a lot of good for scotland

DJ

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I tried to post the picture of the screenshot but Ed didn't allow it.
GCUK {Ed001's Note - there is no need for it to be on here, it is not Rangers related, just some pathetic idiots on Twitter. Plus the language was appalling.}

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Correct ed the language was awful, if anyone does want to see it the bouncy bouncy page on facebook poseted it last night. it's not nice reading especially as one of them is a pupil of his

DJ

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If we join a new era can u stop all the watp stuff

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Too the above post reguarding lets lose the we are the people stuff.......Here here...well said.

Joeshmo1888

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No probs, lets all stop with the watp and hail hail crap

DJ

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Or us both can go WAATP ( WE ALL ARE THE PEOPLE ) lolol S&M

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Collum is just a very inferior referree

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20 Mar 2012 02:22:14
Just heard a rumour bears yeah dhims a rumour so don't start jumpin on the killiewagon ( cough cough ) sorry the bandwagon lol, that cammy bell was one of us, apparently he was a youth player, so me thinks if its true then our youth system does go a long way lol S&M

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See "Broony's" jumped on the bandwagon backing Lemon's statement about the pen that never was! Unbelievable(well maybe not from the paranoid brigade) Broon say's "Chokes" has the scars to prove it. lol. Scars...must be the whiplash marks from the Killie players laces. Broon, Lemon, what an embarrassment you both are.
Stevie-A-Bear

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Scott Brown is a LIAR so I wouldn't listen to him.

Last year he said that he would never walk up Hampden steps a loser again..........Sorry Broony but one year one you have broken your promise!!!

The Pilot!

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