Rangers Banter Archive December 20 2012
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20 Dec 2012 19:11:38
Question to my fellow shareholders only- has anyone received notification yet regarding the purchase of shares?
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@JG. just seen you use share.com for your portfolio.Would you not have instant proof the transaction has been made?
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@1 - how would share.com know i have bought rangers shares if i never bought them using share.com?
It was not possible, for the IPO shares had to be bought at the rangersshareoffer.com website using the application form,
now i need my share certificate to get them in included in my share.com account
but if i buy any more, then yes i will buy direct through share.com
JG
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Hi when you bought your shares did you not get a conformation email saying certificates would be sent out on 7th jan
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@3 - i got an application confirmation email stating that
Share certifcates will be posted to successful applicants on 7 January 2013
however I had never received any confirmation till now that my application was successful
Just called capita registers this morning and they have confimed
JG
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I bought shares and ive just recieved a 20quid voucher for lidls well chuffed billy bear thorton
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@5; Better hire a van if your spending £20 in Lidl.
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I never got any vouchers mmmmmmm
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20 Dec 2012 17:20:18
Talking about having millions to spend is all fine but it is how we got in a mess in first place,superally has said he will be careful with the money as he says we can bring free agents so if we got the boys davidson,halliday,murphy 3 good quality players for hee-haw then I would be happy with that because everyone of them is RANGERS fans,good quality players into the bargain so no need to spend big bucks all the time as Cheltblue a good scouting system in place is far better than pissing millions up a wall for no return.
WATP70
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Op, i am a rangers supporter and the 3 players you mention are good players, but not qauality players as you mention.
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OP - dont think we need to spend millions to get us through Div 2 and indeed Div 1, i would be happy with a decent GK, RB, CB, 2 CM think with what we have we are covered in other areas
JG
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What would you define as a quality player then in your op, that 10 mill is going to get you I know he won't spend it on 1 player but we are not going to be in top division for another 2 years so who would you bring in,on another note we have been linked to cammy bell also who I think would only come if he was going to be no1,who would be happy with this if we got him, because I think alexander has done nothing wrong & also he stayed for his chance to be no1.
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Lafferty naismith greegs etc were all supposed to be gers fans goes for nothing.
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@3 IMO alexander is a bit inconsistent,
i would be interested to see his saves to shots on target ratio this season
JG
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@JG. Are you joking? Alexander has hardly put a foot wrong and pulled off some vital saves in nearly every game! I remember him clawing at least four from the top corner.Bad post.
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20 Dec 2012 15:26:16
just seen a post on the rumours page mentioning John Brown.It seems that Ally also knows the information Brown knows and understands why he must bide his time before going public.Does anybody else think it's time Brown just went back to being a fan? If Ally knew there was some problem with Mr Green i am sure he would never have endorsed him so wholeheartedly.If Brown has information,and he claimed he had proof,what is he waiting for? The Green take over has happened,the share floatation has happened,so why the delay John?
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Yeah agree mate it's all done now.
Time to come clean.
The deeds issue big secret and the share prospectus skipping around deeds. No more secrets we all deserve truth going forward.
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Ally is both self serving and would back up any dodgy geezer propping up Rangers. It's a dirty game and Ally's a player.
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Just remember that Ally trusted Whyte and his all lies. How much did Ally pay for his shares or was it part of his deal?
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So great to have hindsight. Congratulations to you.
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Ally was gifted shares. And someone banked 150,000 pounds yesterday morning selling shares first thing. Wonder who it was? 150,000 pounds buys a lot of pies.
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@4 I posted the same question when Brown was shouting fro the Ibrox steps mate. Also did Ally pay for his shares?
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@5 i use share.com for my shares and this is the only announcement made by RNS to date
Director Dealing
Rangers International Football Club plc (AIM:RFC), the holding company for the Scottish football club, was informed on 19th December 2012 that, on the same day, Phil Cartmell (Non-Executive Director) purchased 25,800 ordinary shares of 1 penny each in the Company ("Ordinary Shares") at a price of 76.5 pence. Pursuant to this transaction Phil Cartmell is interested in 25,800 Ordinary Shares representing 0.04% of the issued ordinary share capital.
JG
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Lets face it, mccoist needs the like of CW and CG because he would never get a management job outside of the club!
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20 Dec 2012 11:14:14
Reports suggesting c green planning to give ally 10 million in transfer fees, I really hope not he's useless in the transfer market.
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Just think of how many Kyles,Sandazas and the like you could buy with all that!
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Was it 3 millon use paid for Bandura briggs?
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They should invest in the scouting set-up first... CheltBlue
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Lol what about your miku and lassad and abroses and banguru all flops , every team dose it get a grip mate
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To briggs with the money smeltic has spent you would have thought arbroath would have been easier to beat
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@ 4 Abrose has been a good sining for celtic lassad was free and now is comming onto a game now his fittness is improved, Miku is just a loan so no real loss only bad buy there is bangura who has had a lot of injuries.
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@2&4 Neil Lennons great buys have outweighed the not so good buys or loans so let's not forget that. Can you name me one that McCoist has made?
&5 Smeltic? Moron.
Briggs
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4) If you bothered to check Miku is on loan , Lassad never cost a penny and is settling in well and Ambrose looks a great signing if you have ever seen him . Jury still out on Bangura but he's had a tough time outside of football .......DH
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@ 7 Bocanegra was a wise signing. Aluko was a good signing. Templeton is scoring goals . Shiels is scoring goals. Lee Wallace?
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Bocanegra was average to say the least. Aluko likewise had maybe a handful of good games. The rest are playing in the myre of scottish football FFS wouldn't hack it in the spl,
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@10 Bocanegra was good for us flung im at the deepend right at the start of his Rangers career was sad to see him go. I remember "Average" performance against Celtic at ibrox where Aluko was unplayable! Sheils Templeton & Lee Wallace all cut it Very Well in the SPL last season & all have a few years ahead of them in that league unless they move onto England!
Larky Bear
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@9 aluko had a couple good games but did he not have to pay out of his own pocket to be on your former club? If he didn't your club would have let him go, so yet another miss in scouting.
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Briggs. The difference is the good buys have proven to be outstanding buys and excellent value for money. But just how many of those have there been in comparison to the amount of players he has purchased overall and was he left to scrape around in the bargain basement for them? Wanyama, Hooper, Ki (to a lesser but very profitable extent), are all good players but cost a fair bit to buy initially with Ledley and Watt probably the pick of them as one was free and the other cost peanuts. I would have added Kayal but he has been injured too often to rank with the others. Other than that though I don't see too much difference in successes to duds between them percentage wise when you compare how many signings each has made.
Plus, given I view both sites, I don't see you pulling up your own people whenever 'Ibrokes', 'Rankers', 'Sevco' 'The Rangers' etc is mentioned either. Is that not equally unacceptable to you or does that somehow pass as harmless 'banter'? I have read just as much, if not more, of that on the Celtic page as I do on this one and I assume you read them too. Further down the page (it wasn't you) someone pulled a poster up for wishing fellow Bears a merry Christmas as though it was somehow wrong and he must have been wishing ill will on everyone else yet there are also plenty of best wishes to fellow bhoys etc without anyone batting an eyelid on the Celtic page. It just seems a tad petty and hypocritical to me.
DH. I will give you Ambrose (some of my Celtic minded mates think he has been a great piece of business in an area you have struggled with for a long time) but Celtic will be paying something for Miku be it in terms of wages and/or a monthly payment and it appears to be truly wasted, Lassad would have got a decent signing on fee and Bangura, personal issues or not, has been awful and slated on the Celtic pages on numerous occasions. We haven't paid decent money for anyone since Jelavic (yeah, yeah - we didn't actually pay for him anyway) but Aluko, Wallace, Templeton, Bocanegra, Shiels (in running for player of the year last year - so he can 'hack it' as did the rest in the SPL no10), and even Goian (in his first season) were good buys and cheap as chips (bar Wallace and Temps) by comparison. Given decent money (can't see it personally mind you) he might be able to get a better quality of player in but I would like to see him buy young hungry players with potential that can grow and bed themselves into the team over the next two seasons rather than experienced pros who won't be around when we get back to the SPL. That to me would be a waste of money rather than an investment in the clubs future.
Brian
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Brian. You missed out Forster(£2m)Mathews(free),izzy(£.6m) commons(£.3m)Lustig(free) and also how wee Forrest and big Sammy have improved under him. Ki was signed by big mogga though. But I would disagree that percentage wise it's the same as regards to who signed the best players, as I've seen plenty fans on here complain about McCoists signings so its not just me saying it. As for 'pulling up' that poster, he was posting a reply directly to me so that's why I replied back.
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Aluko only played a handfull of games his goals to games record was exceptional for the position he played. also tore your 'amazing' center half charlie mulgrew apart
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20 Dec 2012 11:06:32
I have to admire the old lady of turin, i remember her class when she gave me a humpin, she's coming back to the east end for more. Juve were thrown from the top of Italian football for a whole lot more than my club/team ever done, we can turn it up again in time,Kelpie. Juve over 2 legs, to win by 2 goals Agg. my bet, not a glorious prediction, just for the banter.
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20 Dec 2012 12:30:55
"Just for the banter" I will enjoy watching my team "the grand old team" play the "old lady" in the Champions League.
In 2013 Celtic fans will have a visit to Turin to look forward to, while your fans have Annan to visit. HH Timalloy
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Sorry club/teams owners. Kelpie
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Theres no Del Piero to single handedly destroy the Scottish Team this year but juve should have enough to qualify over 2 legs. I think Manchester United will lift the Trophy this year if they can keep Vidic Rio Rooney & Van Persie fit they play as a unit like Barca Bayern & Dortmund but also have the firepower to kill teams off theres too many big egos & a lack of solidarity at the likes of Madrid or just big Zlatan alone at PSG for them to make real impact this year Fergie will probs get the better of any manager in the tournament although Barca are still favourites id be surprised if Vilanova wins it his 1st season.
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For the last time, rangers 1872 were not thrown out of the spl, they were liquidated therfore had to re-apply to the sfl as a new club!!
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Remember being at Ibrox as a youngster back in 78 when we knocked Juve out of the European Cup under John Greig. A magical night!
As for Celtic. tbh they've done superbly well to even get this far & personally I doubted they'd get through both qualifiers. But they aren't going any further.
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Well all enjoy watching your team get humped,oops i mean play "the old lady", this time unlike barca, juve should have a full 1st team !!
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@3 it wasn't just del peiro that destroyed us at ibrox, they had a great team back then.
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Further or not , let's all enjoy a Scottish / Glasgow team being in there
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At least get the facts right. They were placed into admin.
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I actually think Celtic have got probably the best draw out of this.
Lets face it. Italians don't play particularly well against Scottish teams. Theres plently of Italian teams that have struggled or been beaten by Rangers and Celtic over the last 15 years
I think this could go either way
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(Ps I hope they get Pumped though ;)
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Rangers had there sfa share transferred in fact. Also tbh I think Celtic could have got lucky in the draw. Could have been alot worse. Be very close that tie.
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@6; Ooh,a bit jealous are we.You are no doubt one of the gers who bet on celtic not getting a point in the group.Just enjoy the game cos we will,although you might be playing Alloa away that night.
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@11) mate Rangers didn't have a SFA share 'transfer'. Old rangers fell into liquidation and SFA gave CGs new Rangers an entry into association football. It's not the same membership or any that nonsense. Guys leave golf clubs and new guys are admitted.
To get his membership CG agreed to entry sanctions.
If it was the same football club it would have always had the same membership and not lost it.
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Cheers all you bears out there.Keep up your CL predictions.You have'nt been right yet.
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Is the 3rd division football that boring you need to find other games that interest you ?? like i say glad to entertain you whilst your club drags its self back
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#13. You are right. But did the SFA not muddy the water by making one of the sanctions paying OldCo football debt. I'm a Celt and I still don't get that.
I can't be assed with all this anyway. I want the rivalry back (minus the bitterness).
Shuggy
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@5 i remember being there as well, what a great night in our history that was
was also there when we got a heeluva beating 0-4 by a juve team that went on to win the CL that year
JG
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At no.12 you are right we do wish we were in a similar position it's well documented what went on at Rangers.
so why don't you just enjoy the position your team are in rather than bating rangers fans who have done nothing wrong but have to listen to the incessant drivel about being in the third division.
We all know this is a banter page but wearing a bit thin give it up and move on
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@13. Type rangers transfer sfa share into google and see what awaits you. Many an article from July or august maybe stating that sfa transfer rangers share to newco. Not new club.
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Clubs dont own " shares " in the sfa they have membership ... they simply applied to transfer the vacant membership
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20 Dec 2012 02:35:32
How is it possible for Craig Levein to sue the SFA when he is getting paid by them to sit
on his corus n verse?
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Craig Levein is getting his wage as normal from the SFA up until end of contract,but if another job comes his way this contract and his payments end ,he wants his full contract paid now,might not be easy as he did resign ,apparently.
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He is quite right to get his money upfront you could not trust the sfa with ogilvie and all
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But he wants £750k up front, so he can get a job elsewhere also. So in effect two wages. Plus interest on £750k.
He was useless and should have been legally sacked without compensation based on proven underperformance.
There's no compensation due here.
Foot soldier, tartan army.
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They originally offered to pay his salary for remainder of contract, Levein decided to resign instead, SFA now saying no salary due because he resigned. Stalemate...
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If another job comes...
Who would want Levein as their manager now?
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The big question------ Does the sfa have the cash to pay him now?
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@2 a wee sly one in there timmy...ogilvie?, when you should have mentioned any one of the real baddies...liewell,regan doncaster and then maybe your choice last.R/R
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Is he ring fencing the money? Funny how old terms come around. CheltBlue
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@7; Bit paranoid are we?Is'nt ogilvie the man in charge?
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@7: explain how Lawwell (note the spelling) is a 'baddie' and why you call him Liewell.
Jealousy, maybe? Surely you should know better than to accuse a club's chief exec of being a liar considering the spin that's come out of Ibrox from the last three at your club?
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The sfa are within their rights to remove him from his position and continue to pay his wages in terms of his employment contract if he wants to take up a new job he will have to end his employment contract why should the sfa back down
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19 Dec 2012 19:21:08
can someone explain to me about £22.2m raised in the share issue-CG has original investors for this exercise we will say 5 investors put in £1m each and buy the assets for the £5m,weeks later the assets are valued at over £50m,so your money is now worth 10x. Then a share issue delutes your £1m which would be £10m back down to £5m.CG says £10m will go to ally,£9m to repair ibrox and the share issue cost £2.5m,so not much left for the investors who took the risk to invest when everyone buried their heads in the sand. So what in it for these guys who unlike the so called blue knights are not rangers fans
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The share issue was down to generate capital to help move the club forward. The original investors haven't lost any money and when the club does progress then the share value will rise and investors will see a return should they sell their shares. However their original investment being 10x as you state was not sustainable as without the share issue there would have been insufficient funds to move the club forward.
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Initial investment of £5m is an interest earning loan which is secured against the assets and won't lose it's value. Anything they earn from share dividends or selling shares is pure profit.
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OP - explain again? really? lets use CG as an example,
invested 825k with the consortium to buy assets and club from D&P
Got 5m shares in RFCL
RIFC now exchanged one share RIFC for 1 share RFCL
CG got 5m shares current value at 76p per share today = 3.6m (2.8m profit on paper) thats whats in it
22.2m was new investment for working capital, stadium upgrades, new players, operating costs etc
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@JG; What? greens consortium paid around £5m for the assets and goodwill we were told.This,as green stated many times was, a loan.Oh and remember no where on the prospectus does it say new players.Operating costs?a few months ago green said the money was in place for this.Where has that gone?
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@4 - Yes 5.5m paid to D&P but there is one thing about CG when he makes a statement he officially releases it, normally through the rangers website first
please give me a link where he states he made a 5m loan please
In response to your question see section E.2a where it clearly states general working capital purposes
(in a football club that would include buying players)
If you check further you will see that pre share issue we had 4.5m in bank for operating capital and all loans (1.8m) had been repaid
JG
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@JG. What a load of nonsense,buying players would not be termed working capital. The term working capital pertains to business expenses, Utilities,taxes,wages,bills for services rendered etc.A new player would not fit into that bracket re claiming tax back.
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@6 - if buying a player is not an expense then what is it?
JG
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@JG. Of course it's an expense,but never could it be called working capital.I think players would be bracketed in necessary expense.When Mr Green and his board do their business projections buying players will not be on it.Wages will of course,because they are part of the Working Capital.
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