Rangers Banter Archive April 20 2013

20 Apr 2013 19:37:18
See Ally is getting it in the neck tonight. What about the players, they seem to get away Scott free from criticism. No doubt some of you will point out that he signed them. Today's team, he signed four.

We are in a hell of a state but god knows where we would be without Ally. The comments seem to make out that he has the squad to change it, but he does not, through no fault of his own. He had to sign anybody with a pair of boots last year and it is not until January that he can sign anybody other than free contracts. Get real, they are not free agents because they are world beaters.

Only at Rangers could you win your league by twenty plus points and get hammered.

Ally ' Always Has Been, Always Will Be. A pi$$ poor manager!

Totally agree mate the scrap posted about Ally beggars belief. If they are not flagging. Ally they are questioning crowd numbers or accusing Walter of ripping off the club Financially. does he even get paid for his role. I wonder sometimes if we need enemies when our club has friends like these

A good argument but falls a bit short. He still persists with one up front, uses the same tactics without change every game and there is no pattern to the play. Remember he did sign McKay, Bedoya and Cellik so his track record is not great.

Remember also. ally has had rangers dumped out of every cup we've entered, usually in the earlier rounds too,
he's rank rotten and no other club would touch him with a barge pole if and when he is eventually shown the door,
one up front in the lowest league in scotland is total embarassment and shows a total lack of belief in not only his players but also himself.

"I have personally invested in the club. think the best way to put it is that I have bought shares in the club as a fan, I haven't bought them specifically as the manager. "

Ally McCoist.

Ally quoted back when he was encouraging fans to buy into the share issue. Although he forgot to say that the shares he was buying as a fan cost 1p and the shares real fans were buying cost 70p.

@2/ Wake up. Questions need to be asked about everything. Are you happy with the direction Rangers are heading? Do you think Walter has done right by the Fans so far? People like you are the enemy, non questioning fans are a major problem. Whyte and green should never have been allowed near Ibrox.

20 Apr 2013 18:04:47
This is got to be the worst rangers ever, correctamoondo charlie, ally's never a manager, yet will pocket hunreds of thousands, the worst has yet too come out regarding the deeds ownership etc, its gnna be a long hard summer once again. sm

Every week were hearing the same old story from Mccoist, - about time people stop backing him as he is a joke of a manager. I know its been said time after time, but no way should he be given any money for new players, he should be told to go! - he's never a manager! - but if he loves rangers then he will go and save us money and stop us becoming an embarrassment

I have a feeling that Mccoist is glad chuckie has left as he was starting to see that Mccoist is useless

@2. you make a good point mate. let's not use CG leaving as " noise" to mask the fact that Rangers, in front of 40,000 plus fans, were beaten by a bunch of fishmongers. McCoist and his entourage must go. This is embarrassing now. McCoist out!

@3 - Good post mate, -- Mccoist uses all the excuses in the planet to mask the pathetic display of the team. Blames everyone and anything apart from himself.

20 Apr 2013 17:51:42
Craig Mathers, Give us a break ffs, another director hand picked by Green, let's get someone genuine in, and stop continuing on this pantomime

20 Apr 2013 16:57:23
Sally is only interested in money. Smell the coffee, he has let us all down big style to line his own pocket. He is up there with SDM, CG and CW. Will never forgive the moron. £380k bonus, what did the club get for winning the League. Do the math!!!!

Ally needs to go now but won't and why would he is due a big bonus for getting Rangers through Div 3. He and the other 2 stooges are taking a fortune out the club and for all he claims to love the club he is bleeding it dry

Massive clearout needed ASAP. nO MORE SEASON TICKETS FOR ME UNTIL THIS MESS IS CLEANED UP.

I smell the other mob stirring it

What a lot of rubbish you talk. Ally's a wealthy guy, could go back to tv tomorrow and get paid more, grow up.
You may say he is a pretty rotten manager if you like but don't accuse him of something which is clearly crap. Do you know that when we went into admin and the players took a 75% cut, Ally took no wages at all, interested in money my arse.

Aye you can smell them from 200 mtrs

@3 you'll actually find that the Celtic fans want McCoist to stay so your comment about other side stirring it doesn't hold any water

@3) Aye its Celtic's fault we are absolutely rank rotten isn't it? Go and have a word with yourself, we are an embarrassment on the park and no matter what they add to it the fact remains the same. Ally is the worst Rangers manager I have ever seen, breaks my heart but he is taking liberties by staying in the job.

3. Aye, the other mob have stirred it that well that 30,000 fans left early today fed up with the football.

Ally can use the excuse of exceptional circumstances but watching his team lacks any entertainment value, it's dire stuff by any standards.

Op - Ally only in it for the money?! You are a f**king clown son! McCoist carried us when we went into Administration, when everyone was down he was the one who picked us up. People bang on about loyalty from the players reverse the roles son! Show a the man a bit of loyalty or piss off!

Ally took no wages but got share at 1p now valued at 58p. he would be quids in if he cashed them in

The only thing that saddens me about Greens departure is that the 25 year contract may have departed with him.

Ally might have cashed in the 50,000 shares that were punted last week also the mugs paid 70p per share via RST you are all clueless deserve to have your pockets emptied

@9 Carried you where exactly, over the past 2 seasons how many cups did you go out of under his leadership, lost a 15 point lead in the SPL, with all your big player's I might add, so where has he carried you to, oh aye the third division title, hooray, he just ain't got it.
Tam

20 Apr 2013 15:56:12
different subject for a moment - much as I don't like Lennon, I think his ban for bad language is a joke! every televised march shows coaches, managers and players "f" ing and blinding at refs, officials and opponents. Nowadays it is called industrial language so I think he is right to be angry at the ban.
If it was justified, then booking players every time they swear would have to come in, and that's just not practical.

Wee Bill {The Ed039's Note - I was talking to Ed007 yesterday and I told him I was at a Rangers v Killie game a couple years back and was behind the dugout at Rugby Park with a Killie fan friend, and the language that Jim Jeffries got away with that night was ridiculous, it is a joke and Lennon was right, it opens up a can of worms)

Afraid to say it but no other manager would have been reported other than Lennon.

Should have been banned last season for far worse behaviour.

20 Apr 2013 14:56:51
How many rangers fans is there that need to say sorry to John 'bomber' brown?hes rangers through and through and yet the loyal blue fans turned against him. people like him you want in the meetings to fight your corner. big day today at ibrox for every1 to get together from the fans to the tea lady right to the players yet shields is at the Kilmarnock game?

Pedro, If you had any foresight you would be dangerous. Let you work it out.

Agree with u m8 shields getting paid by the club but decides to go to killie game. what ever happend to the team that plays together stays together.

20 Apr 2013 13:18:51
Alastair Johnston the only director we have had to tell us the truth and also cut the debt down too that's my vote for new CEO

Rubbish! He was the chairmen who led a board into £124m debt plus an additional £47m EBTs. He was an EBT beneficiary himself. Shameful.
Stop pining for previous Ibrox people. They're all tainted ffs. Every one of them.
He wanted to spend more, it was Lloyds over four years who managed the debt down but still £124m ffs!!!

Part of the old regime. New people with new attitudes are needed now.

20 Apr 2013 15:52:32
I'm no fan of either of the Old Firm - huge Glasgow Warriors supporter and more of a passive football fan (if any, tend to watch international and Highland League). Have read these pages with interest over the last few months and must say I have great sympathy with the honest Rangers fans who appear to have been genuinely deceived and played a merry dance by certain individuals running the club. Can only hope for the sake of the majority of decent fans that you ride out the storm and come back as a force in the Scottish game again. Would like to see all interested parties within the game end the bitterness, recriminations and petty feuding so that clubs, governing bodies and national team can all start pulling in the same direction again. Don't see this happening any time soon though.

Don't think he would touch the job now.

Whose performance overseeing Murray and Whyte excludes him from the running. Incidentally, wonder how many shares he currently does or doesn't own at the moment - if the latter yet another one who wants the cream without investing himself.

Why does it have to always be the"Old Guard" can no one at Ibrox think out of the box for a new CEO?

@1 you are talking rubbish the debt wa never 124 million under the old regime it was down around the 35-40 million mark, the tax cases were won and that debt was being reduced. Alistair Johnson has nonthing to hide or be ashamed about during his tenure of Rangers FC. And strap yourself in fellow bears because if the SFA prove Whyte was in bed with Green, we'll be back in Div 3 next year and the flotation of shares will be deemed illegal due to involvment of a director struck off. This is sadly only the beginning. I predict more misery in the future.

20 Apr 2013 10:44:36
Ahmed, Stockbridge, green, Whyte, Hughes and Dwek own about 45% of the club or more. Plus Whyte has the assets.

Whyte and his Manchester Zeus capital buddies hold the aces.

The complete board of directors must stand down during the close season.

All shareholders must be issued ballot forms to vote for their board. That's honest democracy in action.

If wealthy rangers people want to get involved they must buy shares on AIM and put themselves forward as board candidates.

The worst part of this is that these guys have all been investigated for shady business practices in the past. They also are watching share prices fall and have no love for the club at all. This could end up with the club being wound up permanently. What if they, through whyte, own the assets and decide to sell?

Green will pick his own replacement. This team have the power. Green is stepping aside but will be around until end of May (6 weeks) handing over to his and Ahmed/ stockbridges chosen CEO.
Structural changes and huge lay offs still required for club to survive.
Does anybody really want McCoist/ Durrant there another season? Their football is dross and its all about football.
There's an argument that says these guys depart and more season tickets get sold for new exciting football.

20 Apr 2013 10:38:25
So now that Green is out of the way what's the opinions on getting ST's? I for one will be waiting till any investigation uncovers the truth and hope everyone else feel the same. There's nothing stopping the club from suspending the renewal date to prove they're serious about getting to the truth

We have to ensure that proper people come on board, and that we are in good hands before we renew.

If Craig whyte still owes any part of the club I know a full supporters bus of guys that have went for over 20 years that won't be buying season books, who can really blame them?

This is looking like a plan to sell season tickets. Whyte WILL take this to court, today's revelations of who he is in bed with prove that, and things might get very messy

Do you think that Green's departure is merely a hoax designed to dupe the fans to part with their cash for STs? I am under the belief that anything is possible with these crooks!

We have to be careful and wait to see who the new CEO is before buying sts. Who ever it is must be vetted to make sure its not a mole placed there by the stitchers.

Investigation curently being carried out at ibrox fans must be told the truth even at its worst before we move on to buying season tickets

20 Apr 2013 10:15:32
Forget about the new CEO. Should we not be more worried about these Craig Whyte claims over Ibrox etc?. I mean, the minute 'investigation' is mentioned (towards Green/Whyte relationship), the guy goes from 'it's baseless rubbish', to, 'I'm off!', seems more than a bit suspect to me.
What would we do if Whyte won that case and then was in a position of ownership over Ibrox and Murray Park?. Boycott?!. In theory, as owners, they/he could shut the club down and attempt to realise the real estate value of the land. Another scenario is that he would attempt to rent Ibrox and Murray Park back to us. Catch 22 or what?!.
Looks like the game up here has a distinct possibility of being finished. Anyone imagine the spl lasting as it is now forever? Unfortunately, without the Old firm games that's it exactly. To any Celtic fans. What happens next year if you don't qualify far the Champions League?! PC Loyal

We'll probably play in the Europa league mate, there's still so many ifs and buts, either way though the spl will still be there and Celtic will know doubt be top of it

Bman

We, ll still be in Europe. What happens if you don't qualify for the 2nd round of the Ramsdens. Think you've got more to worry about than how the SPL will fare and Celtic in Europe. Obsessed maybe?. DH

Dh,

Get back to your own page then. Nothing to see here, bye.

Aye Celtic fans are obsessed with the biggest club in scotland

Let's not forget CW still has to find some cash to pay ticketus. sell his assets?

20 Apr 2013 09:19:13
I've said a while ago Whyte was still envolved with the club in some shape or form, as it turns out he might still hold claim to Rangers. It'll be a sorry day if that's the case IMO
SCM

20 Apr 2013 05:40:19
Bears. My sympathies, sometimes you just don't want to see what's there as the truth is too painful.
Unless one of you normal (not WATP brigade) fans get of your ar@es and mobilise for your club it's going to be game over, be in no doubt.
I wish you well. Joe

The fans own 12% of shares. A share owners trust or something similar maybe the way to go? The fans would be the largest shareholder and then would have a real voice and intimate knowledge of what's going on. Other fans could then "join" the trust by buying shares and adding to the pool. CheltBlue

20 Apr 2013 00:55:59
my fear is if we enter admin and are deducted points at start of next season is ally good enough to get us out of div 2

19 Apr 2013 22:33:37
Alastair Johnstone maintains the original Whyte SDM purchase sale was illegal. Police have already raided homes over that.

The issue is duff and phelps. There from day one on the buy out. Sitting on Whytes side of the table. Negotiating the sale for four months.

Then appointed Administrators. And applied to be liquidators.

D&P are highly problematic.
Whyte had them at the buy out.
Whyte made them admin.
Whyte introduced green to them.
They sold Whytes sevco5088 the assets.

SDM stated on TV one month into admin he was surprised how quickly Whyte did it. That is evidence he knew the d&P takeover agenda. Liquidators negotiating the purchase of the club ffs.

I remember feeling very uneasy about Whytes insistence that D&P be appointed as administrators. Why them? I believe Whyte was pulling the strings from the outset regarding D&P and probably Green too. Did Green really "shaft" Whyte - or was it maybe the other way round?

A D&P Director and associate, sitting in Whytes team during the buy out. D&P administrators and Liquidators present from the very start. Is that not a huge statement of intent?

There was far too much collusion with Donald Muir, whyte, Ticketus, Grier, & D&P's. I'm positive SDM was savvy to this arrangement. And don't forget hmrc!

Bottom line is SDM put us into this bowl of poison due to his huge debts to Lloyds, & high risk taking.