Rangers Banter Archive September 01 2013

 

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01 Sep 2013 21:03:29
fancy us for the Scottish Cup this year then onto to Europe good times ahead get behind the team

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01 Sep 2013 21:33:39
winning Scottish cup does not Get Rangers into Europe. not this year anyway ( UEFA Rules). JohnnyG

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Europe? Where have you been.

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01 Sep 2013 21:40:51
we're banned from Europe for another 2 year

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Not when there's been no audited accounts for what 4 years now? Love the way some gers fans just forget rules when things are looking better lol MB

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We won't win the Scottish cup, Celtic would pump us.

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@3? Is it not 3 years from audited accounts?

I think you will find op doing a wee bit of fishing mate lol because noone can be that stupid really now can they? Well maybe lol

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No chance any team under McCoist will win a cup. He could enter Barcelona into the Ramsdens cup and still manage to lose

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That's what I like to hear. Get that money on the gers against any spl team, keep the opposition odds up. Kerching.

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@8 got ICT last season@5/2 in cup, biggest steal of the season!

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@9 you must've been on motherwell the round before?

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@10 why must I have been on Motherwell?

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@10 would never bet on Motherwell v rangers! I don't think there is any need to explain why!

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01 Sep 2013 20:49:13
I was at the game on Saturday and thought there is a good team coming through and looks to be a togetherness about them. The one thing I still think we need to fix is when we are defending a corner we have 11 in the box defending and no one out side the box, so when the ball is sent out from the corner kick there is only opposing players there and the ball is sent straight back into the box and could cause problems.
We should leave even 1 up to make the opposition have to mark them and possibily take advantage of the clearance.

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01 Sep 2013 20:33:11
@REALRANGER, the link you have just put up on the SONS OF STRUTH the andrew wilson one, fascinating reading, now some of the people on here will no doubt think it is a pack of lies, but this is what george, craig n yourself and the rest of sons of struth have been warning people about for weeks, maybe now they will sit up, wipe the sand from their hair and take notice, CHEERS M8.

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01 Sep 2013 20:25:15
George another question celtic's financial model is working, REALLY maybe your time is took up with all things RANGERS but a wee check of page 57 & 60 off their yearly accounts wouldn't go amiss & we talk of selling our stadium & having it leased back 2 us well at least we still have that option left 2 us oh the irony, while you are on it check out the dodgy land deal also that is being questioned
Andhol bears

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There aren't many people who actually know how bad Celtics finances are. Whilst they bleat on at us they are at least 30m in debt and as you so rightly point out don't own their stadium and are rumoured to have a few dodgy deals hidden from public eye. Their debt is supposed to be just managable at the moment but a couple of poor seasons and the 5h1t3 will hit the fan. No doubt it will all come out in the wash though.

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But what's yur point, they have loan on thier ground. and are paying it back.

we do t know who owns ibrox, if there is floating charge on it, what interest rate is, rumours we have to pay £20m back for it in 5years and 8% interetst each year. way. morethan celtic who got loan for 1. 5% because they prudent

zammo

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01 Sep 2013 21:35:02
Aye that's correct poster you ever heard the saying (heads in the sand) I have quite a lot over the last few years, our board wouldn't tell us porkies now would they, suppose now that the co-op bank is in debt 2 the tune of 1. 5 billion & want all their bad debts brought in, yes that is what they are calling it bad debt, the board of the club of sporting integrity can't tell porkies anymore but what do you expect when they have a wage bill of 31 mill 2 win spfl
Andhol bears

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01 Sep 2013 22:14:32
No 2 I forgot we only had lawyers in the eastend of Glasgow who know the standard business of cash flow, I stand corrected to your greater knowledge oh mighty 1 of the bar, also a deals a deal depends who signs it of I suppose & if the public purse was better off for this, but then there are people with a far higher knowledge than me pursuing these matters, zammo you used a word in your post (RUMOURS) that's it m8 you see mighty 1 above has his head in the sand but there are celtic supporters who are asking questions of this debt & just 2 be clear mighty 1 you's have a final outstanding loan of 17 mill 2 be paid back in 2019 that is not rumour it is fact but again you could correct me
Andhol bears

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Man utd, Real Madrid, Barcelona etc have debts over £500m, most big businesses have debt, and providing you can service it, with a view of reducing it, it isn't a problem. @ 4 how much was rangers wage bill last year to win 3rd division with no income from cups or Europe? Think you should remove your head from the sand mate.

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Celtic accounts will be published shortly. think a few may be dissapointed reading them. they owe the Co-op bank £9M and have a written & legally binding time frame to pay it. if the Co-op are in trouble that's there problem as they can't renage on the deal without losing money and face.

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Correct no. 6 - it was a £12million loan and would be paid back by 2020 or thereabouts. I think they only started to pay it back 2 years ago in line with the agreement.
The accounts say that Celtic have a loan & overdraft facility of £36million not that the owe that amount. the accounts also state that the have £9mm in the bank which would cover it. You then have to add the reported £22million from UEFA which has not been included in accounts and also the initial payments of the reported £20million in transfers out less the initial payments on transfers in.
Then we have the first payments for season books - the 5 C/L match tickets - £16million approx. for reaching for reaching the group stage & Scotland's share of the TV/sponsors pot. I think Celtic financial model is working well.

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@7) I wouldn't waste your time with the stone cold facts mate. They would only ignore them as they don't suit their agenda. With all that's going on at Rangers just now you can hardly blame someone for giving them a bit of ammo to make them feel better. Facts are facts though at the end of the day and Celtic have never been in a stronger position than they are now which wouldn't be so bad for you if this Rangers weren't in the most vulnerable position its been in during its short life.

Believe me when I tell you, its not the Celtic support who will be concerned when they see their particular clubs set of accounts.

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Again I will make it simple for you Matt, the persons in the East End are making 12000 more sales every sell out of both our stadiums due to 67000 capacity, at a higher price than we can sell in our current position, they have a scouting policy that netted them a profit of over £20 million on THREE players and they are about to make £20 million on the CL even if they get humped in all six games due to the level of teams they are playing.
Meanwhile we are laying out SPFL wages and bonuses in the 3rd tier of Scottish football, we just blew the WHOLE share issue in 7 months and we are paying our manager more than Bors' Dortmund manager that has a team just back from CL final and playing stunning football. so yes Matt I maybe do feel we need to restructure our financial model and base it on living within your means, which is exactly what Jim McColl is proposing by getting rid of the persons on our current board, thiefs or complete people financially BOTH are death knells for our club.

RTID. george

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Can you imagine the carnage the spivs would cause if they could get their hands on a £36M overdraft facility? that really would be game over.

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OP - quite right, they, Celtic PLC, have 4 outstanding standard securities against their company by the Co operative bank, 2 by Glasgow City Council and 1 by the Scottish Ministers. These standard securities are usually for charges/mortgages. They also pay off 'soft loans' to individuals like Dermot Demond. But they are debt free.

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01 Sep 2013 19:31:09
George can you give me a break down on the 22 million the board have said they have lost
Andhol bears

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Not really as no account, cept charlottes which showed £1.5m/month burn rate, 10 mths would be £15m, plus payoffs and laywers.

stockbridge said just over £10m left. not just over £20m.

if we hit admin before egm/agm won't ever see account to see where it went.

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Do you want me to break in to the Boardroom and try to find the Accounts? As that would be the only way possible to give an EXACT breakdown, that is if the truth is told in the accounts which bearing in mind this Board's honest tendencies is highly unlikely. It is simple arithmetic anyway £22million is £20 MILLION they agreed was spent/lost/stolen, and since the admission the loss rate is approx £3 MILLION a month so actually I was being conservative it is likely more than £23 MILLION. why do you need a breakdown I would be slightly more concerned at the fact there is a loss of £105000 A DAY being caused by the current board's blatant misappropriation of funds and gross over payment of wages/bonuses. see The Great Stadium Robbery and Spivs Out flyers if you do not believe me it is becoming common knowledge.

I find it mind boggling that some persons on here actually believe the money stolen was used to run the club when the money missing is near £30million plus with Whyte and the same with Green, the team and stadium cost a fraction of that to run when you take into account ALL the other millions missing from the Bougey fee and Jelavic fee, to catering kit sponsors and non season ticket game day cash at £200000 PLUS a game in whyte era and close to £150000 in the Green era.

The fact that some people are that illi informed and easily confused is the reason these persons have got away with this to date.

Thankfully the great majority of Rangers fans are beginning to understand the workings of these professional planned criminal activities being carried out at our club Rangers Football Club

Yours in Rangers FC. george

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The truth has always been there in black and white and should come as no surprise to anyone. the fact that it's been divulged by certain sources who are no friends of Rangers is neither here nor there as it's the message that's important not the messenger. at least the message is getting through now.

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George,

The only problem is it is probably not criminal. Morally wrong yes but not illegal. Time will tell.

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01 Sep 2013 18:51:19
Who wants to man enough to stand up and say they were wrong and that McCoist is a good manager the way the team has played so far has been leathal, quick flowing football and deserves credit. Anybody? I have read on here for months loads of you put the dagger in.

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He's a rubbish manager. Quite simple really. He took £750k a year to manage in the bottom tier of Scottish football. Now he's in League 1 he's already got us pumped out of a cup and a couple of big wins in the league does not paper over the cracks. We've got the 2 highest wage bill in Scotland and other managers have done better than what he has on 5% of his budget.

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He's got the 2nd highest wage bill in Scotland and is playing in the 3rd tier.

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Definitely agree with the poster here, the standard of football has been nothing short of world class against world class opposition, the likes of Forfar, East Fife ect, who if they had stadiums that met UEFA standards would surely be challenging the likes of Barca, Real, etc. alas I cannot see this sort of standard continuing as I hear through the grapevine that a few EPL clubs are circling ready to move in on a few of our players such as McCulloch etc with offers of big money moves to the riches of the EPL.
J

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And the team are playing who? They should be running all over part time players.

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Yes ally has them playing good football now all our players can play were a match for any team in scotland

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Well you are playing 3rd tier scottish football, playing part timers. Scoring 5 goals in a game is totally expected. McCoist has had 3 years as manager & has been shocking. To give McCoist praise for what he has done so far is a bit premature. Wait till a real challenges come calling.

Lenny

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@1 THE £750K was his wage but I believe with bonuses he received £1.2mill, he say`s he`s in talks to take a pay cut wtf is there to talk about, and his m8 mr d. he got £350k+100% bonus (his words not mine) for doing SFA.

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OP To quote Victor Meldrew '' You cannot be serious''
billyb

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Gives us peace mate ally will always be a hero of mine as a player as a mangers he just not got it in my opinion as much as I would love to see him be the man my head tells me he ain't!

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01 Sep 2013 22:21:44
billyb that's john McEnroe
Andhol bears

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@3) The Slug is still the highest paid manager in scottish football. Duracell signed a new 1 year rolling deal at Celtic but on the same terms which was widely reported and is and always was less than Sally. Funny how a week after Lennon's new deal was announced though McCoist started talking about taking a wage cut. Feeling a bit embarrassed maybe?

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@11 ally feeling embarrassed? Doubt it as the brass knack on that guy was tarnished years ago!

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@5 only time will tell but still don't believe you will win a major cup with Ally in charge, I'd certainly back against you all day long.

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01 Sep 2013 17:57:43
Fellow Gers:

The team are playing very well and we are getting some great results, and rightly so (in div2) this is not a mystery to the vast rangers support, it is expected at RANGERS to win every competition, every cup. That is what RANGERS is all about.

The only issue is we are out of the league cup because of Chico and his band of "great train robbers" fact!

My own personal position on ALLY is he should be given this season with his team and show the fans a better class of football, if he fails in the remaining cups and didn't win the league (highly unlikely) then I think he would be in real trouble, that is my humble opinion and not everybody will agree, I am quite happy to see how it goes football wise and start playing decent quality games.

The off field issues are a different matter and they are ABSOLUTELY critical to the future of the Glasgow rangers, we must as a support continue to demand answers and keep the pressure on this MOB as they and I will quote a great ranger who said "they couldn't spell rangers" so yes the team is playing well and I for one hope it continues for the football reasons, but please don't take our eyes of the ball regarding the board room chaos

This will change very soon as the word is spreading!

SONS OF STRUTH DEMAND THE TRUTH

on FB with links to the "great stadium robbery" coming to a cinema near you soon!

RR

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RR. Being out of the league cup has nothing to do with Green. Stick to what is true and remember the manager and team get results. The con men can destroy our club financially but do not pull on a jersey.
billyb

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01 Sep 2013 15:45:43
Can an ed please explain why I can't log in with my username Craig Protester number 2 BFH and it says user name barred?

I have sent email 3 days ago and no reply! {Ed001's Note - we are looking into it mate, sorry I received no email or I would have replied. Your IP is fine and a ban should have applied to both, so there is clearly some issue our end. Apologies.}

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Happened to me too had to change my username. {Ed001's Note - what was your previous one?}

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I`ll tell you as long as I don`t get banned again lol. {Ed001's Note - no worries, just want to see if it is the same issue, as Craig is now unbanned. He tried to post a link to the FB group and we had issues with FB groups trying to spam us with links, so it was picked up as another one and the account banned.}

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@kingb {Ed001's Note - I will find out mate. The idea of the ban isn't to stop people altogether anyway, it is more about trying to make people think and not do whatever it was that got them banned last time. So I certainly wouldn't ban you for having been banned, unless you were being an arse, of course!}

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WHO! me an a'@@e never lol.

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This clown kingb was banned because I complained he had made a 'joke' regarding child abuse in a post on Celtic ED. A few of these persons seem to think this is ok to beat Celtic with. I realise you will not know the name t but a quick chat with ED 007 will put you right. Honestly there are other sites for these disgusting animals to use this. Thanks mate. {Ed001's Note - ah right cheers, I remember him telling me now that he had banned someone for that. I wish people would quit that kind of stuff, some things just aren't funny.}

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@5 ed001 it's how the vast majority of these people operate mate! I guess they get excited around marching season though and forget where they are! {Ed001's Note - I don't think it is the vast majority mate, I think it is more of a vocal minority.}

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@6 ed I hope so mate! Good job on the forum too ed001 it seems to be picking up of late! Well done

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@6 give it a break with the marching stuff. I got a ban from 007 for challenging him on obvious bigotry (not banter) on his site. I contacted Rumours straight away and it was immediately lifted! That was a year ago and I haven't been back. The guy can be okay, but if your not pro celtic he can be totally out of order. Personally I'm glad we have good editing on here. Ed, being that your a Red I think you do a great job, but how many Toffees would agree? How many have ye barred? lol

Hand bag back in holster. {Ed001's Note - to be honest I just don't go on the Everton site much, they get offended as I stick up for Bill Kenwright. Apparently you aren't allowed to have an opinion on their club if you support Liverpool.}

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01 Sep 2013 10:45:11
Question bears, who will start up front now every1 can play, big jig was outstanding yesterday not just his goals his overall work rate was immense, I think superally will go with daly & clarke but I think big jig & little would be just as good with the way the team is playing behind them now & just for the merchants of doom superally as you can see has changed something last season he played with 1 up front now there is 2 up front, reason he trusts his players now & that includes the young boys who got threw into team last season without a proper pre season & also no experience of playing first team football any thoughts.
ps I would not like k. miller back as I think this would stifle n. clarke, if superally wants the boy 2 learn from any1 then maybe superally should spend a bit more time on the training ground with the boy
Andhol bears

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Its got to be jig and daly

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01 Sep 2013 12:14:05
Yaaaaassss! No more transfer embargo! Is it just me or does that tie in nicely with Gareth Bale stalling on a move to Madrid!?

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No it`s just you.

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01 Sep 2013 21:43:11
no its just you

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And you have the £10million war chest to look forward to spending! How's that working out for you op? Lol

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01 Sep 2013 10:44:25
A helluva lot of posters are really missing the point with Ally and Rangers, in particular -

I want to see Rangers winning, no matter at what and no matter where. If Rangers played on the green then I would go and watch them; If they played on Mars I would get a rocket ship.

Too to many just want to moan and groan - pathetic losers the lot.

Support your local team - no matter what!

Matt Crozier

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You are full of s*** lol. You would seriously go to mars for a game of football. You don t even know the safety implications of playing football on a different planet. How much would it cost you to get there? Who would pay for the club to get there? Come on mate, think about it. Its not rocket science. xx

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@matt you say you would go watch rangers play on the green, well rangers were born on the green, and if nothing is done about the charlatan`s in the boardroom then there is a good chance you will be going to watch them playing on the green once more, and I honestly don`t think nasa will sell you a rocketship. and as for your local team, rangers are more than just local they are" global". oh and I think you will find they have nowhere near £10 mill in the bank and that is why they are delaying audits and agm`s.

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01 Sep 2013 14:31:51
Matt please give it a rest. Are you not getting bored of posting the same tediously naive drivel up several times a day. The responses to your previous posts provide a good spread of reasons why your views don't stack up to anything but head in the sand nonsense. Please take a breather mate and have a think, times have changed.

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What age are you Matt, you come across as if you're maybe about twelve or thirteen, constantly insulting any one who disagrees with you as 'pathetic losers' etc etc, while not once making any point that shows you have any real knowledge of football. It's getting awfully boring now.

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I agree support the gers no matter what follow follow we will

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GOOD POST (4)

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Aww that's tragic. The doom n gloom squad of rangers banter are insulted that Matt has called them out. His use of metaphors are not to be taken literally. Stop the whingeing n support the team. Ruggy bear.

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GOOD POST (7)

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The doom and gloomers would have Ally play the same team as last year and buy no-one, or maybe only part-timers.

Then the doom and gloomers would then get onto Ally about the lack of style; the lack of talent; the lack of ability; the lack of content - oh they do lack, so they do!

The doom and gloomers also want Rangers to go into receivership to get rid of the current board?

Whit a bunch of merchant bankers the doom and gloomers are.

Methinks they really want Rangers just to give up - these negative posters will never be happy, sad yes but never happy.

We need an injection of cash, we all know that; We need to get our operating costs down to a manageable level - we all know that; we need to get rid of the current board - we all know that; we need to bring in Rangers minded people who have a good sound business brain - we all know that; we need to bring in Rangers minded people who will turn around the club and help make it great again - we all know that!

Stop yer whinging - fish wives!

Get behind the Team!!!!

Matt Crozier

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@9/You do realise that in your last paragraph you negated every post you have made for days. If 'we all know that' why are you painting a rosy picture and slagging off every one who asks a question?

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01 Sep 2013 17:27:11
Looks like someone has been instructed to start trolling the site as real progress being made with Sons of Struth protest and some people want any protest derailed by any means possible.

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Matt, I posted a long time ago that I feel Ally is never a manager and will be found out long term, he has the worst record ever of any Rangers manager esp in cups and short stint in Europe.
However I did add I would eat my handouts personally if Ally turns it round and is a successful manager, I ONLY want an honest and careful money managing Board with a good/great Rangers team on the park.

You need to understand people have the right to voice their opinion, and realise that the Rangers side currently is playing with mostly and soon to be all SPFL standard players in the 3rd tier of he Scottish Leagues people expect a much better standard thann Ally has put on the park in over a year.
They also are totally rihht to 'moan' or 'whine' which leads to protest about the crooks on the Board and if you dispute that right you are clearly deluded as it is every paying fan's right to voice their opinion not just one you agree with.
RTID. george

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Good posts matt the east end mob canny beleive were still here the most successful club in scotland

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@no`s 11+12 agree 100%.

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@ 10. I am not slagging true supporters. I am slagging those who will not give the footballing side a chance. I do not think they are real supporters, just moaners who would not be happy if Ally gave them the Champions League Title.

There is a time and a place for everything. Getting at Ally is not the time nor the place. Let's get the board sorted for goodness sake, before we look at Ally and his team.

I will say it again - Ally started his team last year with only TWO SENIOR PLAYERS, YES TWO and the rest where made up from the youth team. He then tried to bring in players but finances stopped this, and had to make good with two or three good players. He was left short in a lot of areas which he had to contend with. The embargo or the strange end to does and did not help.

Judge Ally NOW not then!

I AM RANGERS!

Matt Crozier

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Good post matt you are 100 per cent correct

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@13 lol successful team in Scotland
So winning a part time league makes you the most successful team in Scotland bud! What a tube you are lol

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Matt and @15. you are both wrong. McCoist began last season with THREE senior players - Alexander, Wallace and McCulloch. and if I were to be truly pedantic I would argue he had FIVE given Bocanegra and Goian were available and indeed played in initial matches last season. and we were still rank rotten!

SPM

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01 Sep 2013 00:49:51
Great day at Ibrox. I see a momentum that is gathering pace and a sleeping giant that is awakening. Perhaps the recent statement from C Mather regarding who he is and what he is about is coincidental. I find it remarkable that a group of ten fans meet on Friday 23rd August at noon and things go ballistic. George and Craig thank you both. The flyers have delivered the message, not just to fans but to the board. To Les you are right it is nice to see the Dolphins play but equally it is true"There is always help", even if it is only handing out flyers. The Sons Of Struth demand the truth. Jacket man

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Yes jacket man a good day all round
but there is one thing I would like to say
i was talking to other fans that were at the meeting with Traynor and that
when we are shouting to sack the board there maybe people there who are just caught up in this
the name mentioned was the guy Hart
maybe someone can tell us what they know and think of this guy?. don't know anything about him is he a spiv?

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