Rangers Banter Archive October 01 2012

01 Oct 2012 22:32:27
anyone know how many tickets are being made available to the Rangers supporters for our game against Queens Park at Hampden 29/12/12.Also will Queens Park receive all monies from the tie as its league business with S.F.A RECEIVING SWEET F.A? {Ed039's Note - Any money made through attendances for Queens Park, stays with Queens Park, as far as I know they pay a rent to the SFA for use of Hamden regardless of their attendances)

01 Oct 2012 23:08:34
is this 100% ed? i know some teams such as hull rent their stadium and pay an agreed percentage of gate receipts to the stadium owners {Ed001's Note - no, it is not quite true, the SFA pay Queens Park for the use of the stadium, but apart from that, spot on. Queens Park own it, they receive the income made and pay any costs incurred. The SFA pay rent to use it for the national team.}

Fill the ground up for good old queens ,hope reagan and doncaster come to the game ,they can have a half time sweet of stale ice cream and jelly supplied from gallowgate area with matt monro singing from russia with love after they get gubbed by spartak ,are your dummies ready tims fire away lol loldoug t.s.o

Fill Hampden guys, then we'll have a record, capacity crowd 52,063.

@ Doug; dear me.The postings from a man of your age are truly pathetic.Your over sixty for goodness sake.Go and have a sit down in the day room. {Ed039's Note - Ageism is unacceptable .......... now Doug do as your told and sit down, or I will send you back to Shettleston lol)

@3 If you fill Hampden surely Queens Park will hold the Record attendance for a home game in the 4th tier of Scottish Football? Or do you want to claim their records as well?

Oh ed dont do that 735 shettleston road had an ootside cludgie lol its seems i have upset another tim boo hoo sit down ? im working a 12 hour day and i collect my first pension payment this friday the 5 th think il do what tim alloys does waste it on the bookies lol ,well some folk have to work another hgv for test this afternoon then a few beers tonight ,sit down ? ive still to experience the old feeling of standing up at a football match again doug t.s.o

@5 would it be a record for the largest away support ever? CheltBlue

Hi ed i think its G.J sending me these annonymous replys ,am i right lol doug t.s.o {Ed039's Note - No idea Doug)

01 Oct 2012 21:19:54
It's division 3 for me . We owe it to the SFL the
Spl are panicking because we all know the sky deal hasn't been signed . Oh timmy away and walk ur league . Everyone wants to watch our adventure . The Rangers adventure . And the sky deal is our ace

Oh dear.how very sad some people think Green is telling the truth about this rubbish.

Did the sfl not boot yous to the 3rd aswell ?? ...fuzzy

If the SFL strip you of League Cups, will you be so enamoured by them then?

01 Oct 2012 19:48:02
Where's John Browns consortium? {Ed039's Note - Who cares??)

01 Oct 2012 20:30:42
In his head

Mikey Bhoy

Consortium? Me and the boys call it a kitty. {Ed039's Note - A kitty pays for a round of drinks, a consortium funds a football club. Clear enough??)

Re: ed - I care. I also care about all of greens **** being exposed as exactly that. Why don't you? Is it not this attitude that killed our club in the first place? Why is no one asking real questions of green? {Ed039's Note - Ask him then, I also care very much, but I believe the guy, after a few months I still believe the guy, after a few months of Whyte, I didnt believe the guy and knew administration was inevitable, thats where the difference is for me, its my personal opinion. I am sure if there is anything dirty the truth will come out in the wash, but I personally dont think there is anything for him to answer to, the guy has put his (or someone elses) money where his mouth is, he is the only show in town, even Sir Walter and cronies of mega rich investors didnt live up to it, so if it wasnt for this guy, we wouldnt have a team to watch or discuss. This is where I stand on the situation and I think many others feel this way as well)

It's ignorant to try and presume how people 'should think'. What ever happens, we have had the privilege of supporting our great club this year, and that is thanks to Mr Green and Co. Your opinions could be shared to any person who took control of Rangers, but if we don't get behind the man at the helm we will be in a viscous circle of criticising everybody until there is nobody left to support. It's time to start supporting instead of dragging everything down. {Ed039's Note - Exactly, this is the point I am trying to make. In saying Who cares above, I wasnt saying who cares about Rangers, I was saying who cares where John Brown is, if another group wants to come along and invest or buy fair enough, but Bomber was just a mouth piece who wanted his 2 seconds IMO. But if nobody else is serious with their money then we need to get behind CG)

Ed, you believed administration was inevitable after a few months of Whyte?!
The warning signs were there long before Whyte! Probably in Jan 2010!

You must be on the the sheep that because it wasn't in the mainstream media you didn't believe it!

De ja vu . . . {Ed039's Note - It wasnt inevitable before then, yes things were tough before that, but the net debt was slowly being reduced year on year. Think before you speak)

{Ed039's Note - A kitty pays for a round of drinks, a consortium funds a football club. Clear enough?)

lol, take it easy it was meant as a joke. Incidentally a consortium is not exclusive to football. Clear enough? (Ed039's Note - Fair enough, but on this page, we speak about football, but not enough of it to be honest)

I'm not blind or stupid but as Ed 39 said CG is the only show in town, so he got my season ticket money for this year and if we still exist next year he'll get that years as well. Is ticketist still involved? is Whyte? I don't know and from reading all the posts on here neither does anybody else but one thing I am sure of - If we didn't support him in terms of buying season tickets in the numbers we did we would be finished for good.
JMG

01 Oct 2012 19:19:59
d@p will be questioned next week about the reasons for selling to green so cheaply when on record other bids were higher and they have documented evidence to back it up , unbelievably kennedy bid was higher , blue knights was more appealing , difficult times ahead for d@p and quite rightly so . tax case will go against rangers and we will go back into admin as green will need to increase his payment or lose the clubs assets as they will be resold to cover more oldco debts {Ed039's Note - What some people make up I just cant believe)

01 Oct 2012 21:25:25
ED. maybe its time you start believeing.I have no doubt that more bad news is coming our way.CG paints a picture that please's the fans but never actually provides us with concrete evidence of who is in his supposed consortium and what their motives are .There seems to me to be some sort of hidden agenda which when it comes out very shortly, will only inflict more pain on our club and therefore ourselves.jaz rtid {Ed039's Note - I choose not to believe it Jaz, I have got to give CG the benefit of the doubt, he does actually have something stake here, where Whyte didnt. I believe that Green is here to make money for himself, and fair play, but to do that he has to keep Rangers alive and healthy)

This is the most unbelievable, ridiculous post ever seen on here. Have you got nothing better to do than make up dross like this. You should get a job mate and a life.
However more astonishing is those that agree, quite clearly visitors to this site. There is not one ounce of truth in this whole post, it is so ridiculous I won't even waste my time pointing out the lies after lies. Quite clearly care in the community is not working. Can I suggest you seek urgent help

I have just sold my house for a £100k, but will go back in six months time and tell the new owner that I sold it too cheap and ask for another £50k.
There's the nurse now mate!

Ed039 dont think hmrc making up a case against ebts, dont think selling £50million in assets for just £5million is made up, dont think the debts to creditors is made up, or the loss to all debenture holders (they are surely true gers fans).. is made up....

even if gers win ebt appeal, and the dul contracts case, and liquidation occurs without sale overturned , and no new court cases... the best case scenario......

gers still in 3rd div, with no funds to rebuild a team to fight for honours let alone champions league without new person with £30+million as a starter just to refurbish ibrox and start real rebuilding

only plus is great fan base.... thats it. {Ed039's Note - I know what you are saying here, but the OP has nothing to back that statement up and therefore it is made up, CG will not have to increase his bid for the assets as the sale has gone through, you cant sell something for £100, then go back to that person and say sorry, I sold that too cheap, I now want £500, I am sorry but that just doesnt happen, if there are problems, then D&P will need to answer to them, not Charles Green)

Re: reply 2: you are in for a hell of a shock mate. Perhaps some of the concrete assertions in the OP are exaggerated, but the brown stuff has not hit the fan at Ibrox yet. There is much more pain to come for those of a rangers persuasion. You editors insistence on ignoring all of this is symptomatic of what has contributed to the death of your club. I mean this in the best possible sense; WAKE UP! {Ed039's Note - OK, come back and speak to me when you think this is going to happen)

Ed.
Gratuitous alienation.

That's all.

Your wrong ed the liquidators have the power to take back the assets theirs laws and rules to administration this isnt just selling a house this is answerable to the high court ...fuzzy

01 Oct 2012 22:47:00
ED.thanks for your very sensible reply to my post at no1, i only hope that you are right and I am wrong in my concerns for the future of our club.jaz.rtid

Re:eds reply to reply 5 - no problem ed. I should be back before the end of the month at least, or by the end of the year at most. Why the denial? It's not as if the evidence is hidden away in some obscure hard to reach place. It's all right there in front of you. There is mountains of available evidence which points to months, perhaps years, of pain to come for those who believe the crap spouted by every so-called saviour that walks into Ibrox. Ignoring it all will do you no good. Acknowledging it will allow for those who wish to do something to mobilise. Still, I guess ignorance is bliss for some. {Ed039's Note - Are we now having acknowledgement that oldco and newco are the same club and somehow should suffer each other consequences, can I have a straight answer on this please)

Gratuitous alienation is the legal right of a liquidator to roll back (undo) any sale of assets well below market value .....

one way to avoid it is to sell on those assests, asap, looks like this swithero is what happened with the sveco , sveco scotland on the few days after sale went threw and would show green knew exactly what he was doing by putting ibrox beyond liquidators and thus further from creditors... and fans.

so greens purchase can be legally challenged and in court green would have to show that his £5million for assets valued one month before at £100+million was fair....

but if say ticketus now own ibrox (brown could be sooo right) then while green could loose to liquidators, having sold on, there is no way to get ibrox back for creditors or fans....

its this easy to take asset woth £30million for peanuts......

just needs fans misled and not focusing on the real issue.......

what was it the first poster said about hats... (monty python)

02 Oct 2012 11:09:06
I think what you'll find is the BDO will be gunning for Duff & Phelps as they sold out to Green when (as I think it has been stated that there is proof) there was a least one better offer for Rangers than his, this in turn means they have devoided additional money from creditors with turning down an increased offer.
SCM

Look it's nice to know our good friends/ Celtic fans are so worried about our survival but what I want to ask is how long do we need to survive before you stop all this p,Sh about administration by the end of the year

Re:9 -eds reply - i think duff and phelps final report, to be voted upon by creditors, clearly distinguishes between rangers football club 1873 and 'the Rangers football club plc 2012 . Why are you playing dumb on this? What the hell is the problem here with accepting that rangers football club 1873 is dead? This ridiculous charade must stop. No matter, events over the forthcoming weeks will begin to put all of this to bed once and for all. Rangers are dead, whether you accept it or not. And the only arbiter of this verdict, HMRC (in conjunction with the UK Inslovency Act 1986) will confirm this for everyone's satisfaction very shortly. By continuously denying this you are making a complete tit of yourself. I'm sorry, but that really is the case. {Ed039's Note - What a hateful little post, you neglect to mention that there is an agreement to purchase goodwill of the club. Now i am not an expert one way or another and whether there is history there or not, I will still show up at Ibrox and support a team in blue. The point I am actually trying to make, is if indeed as your apparant expertise suggests, Rangers are a completely new company, new team, zombie team, whatever floats your boat, then why are the new Rangers being pursued and punished for the sins of the old Rangers, if the new Rangers are being pursued is this not indeed an acknowledgement that it is the same football club, or is it indeed a witch hunt to keep certain SPL members happy?)

01 Oct 2012 18:59:36
The next 6 weeks are going to be immense!

The terminally ill Rangers will die and beforehand the world will see justice being done. {Ed039's Note - OK, what a tool)

The sad thing is, this current charade in Scottish football, is the most important thing in some peoples lives. Unless I am mistaken, there are vastly more important things happening in the world today. Aimed at Celtic fans, but include some Gers fans. Get a life guys, it is only a game after all.

01 Oct 2012 19:27:01
Whys he a tool,lol,strange way too sum him up,rangers will not exist,just like the tooth fairy,easter bunny& santa,the tribute act are in there first few months,so put the myth of continuation of history to bed,once& for all...stevo,tool,halfwit have been heard before,something better will be duely accepted ed,lol {Ed039's Note - Stevo, I have a few names for you buddy, but they arent allowed to be printed on here. I bet you wouldnt put a considerable amout of your giro on what you think is a fact? And do you troll these sites constantly, this was only posted a short while before you replied. Most Celtic fans are in it for the banter, but you my friend, are most definately obsessed with all things Rangers)

Its funny they say Rangers wont exist but I'm going to see Rangers at Ibrox on October 20th?

01 Oct 2012 21:24:33
pmsl,giro??how did you come to that conclusion?personic statement,obsessed with the deluded comedy gold i sure am,the only way to stay connected to rangers is thru a ouija board!giro coming from a liverpool fan,pmsl.... {Ed039's Note - I'm not a Liverpool fan, but I will let Ed001 know you're sentiments. If you cant take wind ups Stevo then dont dish them out)

01 Oct 2012 21:35:43
Well said Ed039! Most of the Celtic fans on this site are obsessed beyond belief! If there was bad news being announced at Ibrox on the night their own team was playing a European Final at Hampden( Will never happen but you get my drift!), then these weirdos would be camped outside Ibrox......but that's only if they could drag themselves away from here! One team interests me and one team alone! Rangers! I wouldn't care in the slightest if any other Scottish team had any sort of news about them cause as their very own supports have proved in recent years, there is only one show in town! Rangers!! {Ed039's Note -

Abba plays murrayfield, beatles play scc.... tribute bands.... if its in blue shirts at ibrox is it always rangers......

whot if its womans footy that still rangers. {Ed039's Note - What are you talking about?)

01 Oct 2012 18:20:10
CG says the minimum buy in for shares is £500. What are we buying shares in? The old shares are worthless as they tell us the shares were in the holding company and not the club. Are these shares in the club or CGs company?

The company.

The club and company myth will soon be blown apart.

The club became a company in 1899.s

01 Oct 2012 19:10:46
will money raised from shares go to repaying green's £8m loan or towards investing in players?

@3 considering the club has a transfer ban signing players is unlikely eh?

The money will be used to pay Green ultimately Ticketus.

Share sales money belongs to the owner selling his shares, he can do what he wants with it.
He has always said he's here for the short term. Remember?
Rangers as a new company shouldn't be selling shares for at least 3 years. Not one set of accounts produced and certified. How can anyone value the company for a shares issue? Crazy.

Most recent aim stock market floats saw company collapse in first year trading with loss of all investment... if this happens will gers survive this after a recent administration and liquidation....

portsmouth look to enter second admin/liquidation.....

leeds utd are managing but not yet back in epl......

how will gers avoid a second administration.....

01 Oct 2012 22:41:52
@4 Fair point

Why would anyone then line up to put money into Green's pocket or pay off creditors? I know the main reason to raise a share issue is to amass a large some of capital for a sole purpose (SDM reducing debt, celtic building lennoxtown) but how much is Green looking to raise? surely we must be told what we are investing in.

very uncertain times

Whatever Green raises will be legally ring fenced by SFA SPL and others. {Ed039's Note - Legally? How does that work)

Green made a very clear statement on this, explaining the procedure and informing us that all details will be published prior to the share issue. It's a process man, stay calm and we'll see where we are around new year.

01 Oct 2012 10:20:46
Can't believe the pelters the young lads are receiving after the Forres match. They came away with the win so what is the big deal?

These young lads aren't the most physical of players and everyone knows just how physical these lower teams are. Physical battles aren't exactly their forte, they'll need time to develop. Give them a chance for crying out loud.

To expect a consistent level of performance from these young lads is insane. They will come good, they just need time, the last thing they need is mountains of pressure piled onto their shoulders.

I think this wknd we will see a better performance from the lads. 3-0 to the Gers this wknd;).

TTG

Your not being true to yourself, as for the 3-0 prediction, we won't beat anyone 3-0 away from home this season.

@ 1),

So your a "glass half empty" kinda guy? You obviously ain't that much of a bluenose if that's your mentallity.

TTG

I reckon we will, do you think we will continue to play so badly away for rest of the season. Has to and will improve, even if we dont, yet still win the league, will it really matter?

No TTG I'm not deluded like you, I've seen our performances this season and most of it has been awful, and yes I am a bluenose.

01 Oct 2012 16:33:33
It will improve. I posted on here after the Forres game. A wins a win. That win will only fill these young lads with confidence. They can only build on that. Another couple of away wins, even if its only 1-0 again will add more self belief not to mention much needed experience. I honestly think all the negative talk on here with regards to our troops are from foreigners because no TRUE BLUE spout such negative, moronic crap. Ive said it before, im in this for the long haul. Anyone not man or true enough can get off now coz its goni be bumpy and lets face it all the glory hunters wont be missed if they do jump. RTID

@ 4),

I don't recall calling you deluded. how is it delusional to think this young team are capable of winning by a 3 goal margin away from home?

I'm still not convinced that your a bluenose......

TTG

@5: so if anyone criticises the team, they're not a fan? Nice way of thinking. How is your job with the Thought Police?

Im with TTG here Perrys getting a bit better hel be a big sold experienced CB by the time we get too the SPL Cribaris getting better everygame aswell although hes not young, Mcleods been excellent in the games agains Montrose & Motherwell Fraser Ayrds showed great signs as has Barry Mckay, Crawford & Naismith look quite handy lads and i expect too see more of them hopefully Hegarty & Cole aswell to say these boys havent got what it takes to et a 3-0 victory away from home is shocking its still a learning curve for the whole team & McCoist give them a chance weve only been beaten on Penalties this season so far!

Larky Bear

Larky bear a draw in division 3 is like a defeat.